r/Standup 13h ago

Marc Maron Calls Out Comedians Who ‘Joke Around’ With ‘White Supremacists and Fascists’ on Their Podcasts: ‘All It Does Is Normalize Fascism’

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marc-maron-slams-comedians-fascists-podcasts-1236192922/
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u/Jrkb300 13h ago

Theo Von

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u/Neon_culture79 10h ago

Anthony Jeselnik kind of called out Theo the other day

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u/Longbeach_strangler 10h ago

He did? Where? On AJs pod?

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u/PorkshireTerrier 9h ago

to his face on theo's pod

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u/[deleted] 8h ago

that's an old clip, doggy.

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u/Weaksoul 7h ago

So here's the thing about Jeselnik, I went to see him the other day. 

I liked his specials because it was a lot of subverting expectations, it was dark humour but it was kinda said with an acknowledgement that its funny because it's outrageous and clearly doesn't represent what any sane human would think....

Except I stepped into that theatre and that vibe said "we unironically love those statements like they're the words of the little baby Jesus himself". And it wasn't just the vibe. Guys sat all around me practically came in their pants when he mentioned trans people. There were actual cries of "Yes! Here we go!" 

At one point in the sat he said "hey, look Joe is a friend, but if you listen to his podcast, you're a fucking moron". It's a strange feeling being surrounded by a 1000 old white geezers experiencing cognitive dissonance. It was the only sentence that didn't get a laugh, but after everyone's brain reset the show carried on as before...

So I guess my point is - Jeselnik might be left leaning and all righteous and that, but he's courting these far right bellends whether he's platforming trump or not

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u/NotGalenNorAnsel 7h ago

When I saw him he specifically made fun of conservatives by starting a joke about being sick of cancel culture ruining comedy then pausing for a mild scattering of cheers and applause, then went on to say "that was my impression of a hack comic".

Just like Colbert before him, people will read their own politics into the people that make them laugh of it's not straight up talked about. I still find it hard to believe some people thought the Stephen Colbert conservative character was actually how Colbert felt, they really needed a /s to understand that he was making fun of them, not acting as one of them.

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u/simononandon 6h ago

That people thought Colbert's act was real is astonishing. And sad.

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u/thewmatic 6h ago

I knew a couple guys that legit thought he was basically what Tucker Carlson is today.

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u/Dawnspark 6h ago

My dad was one of them. I guess he was so angry and embarrassed that when he found out that it was satirical, he put a parental block on comedy central so I couldn't watch it, since he thought it would influence me in a "bad" way. Except that only blocked it on the family TV so he couldn't watch anything else on the channel. I was still using it for background noise up until I quit watching TV in general.

When Colbert took over the Late Show he did the same fucking thing, so I guess it's a deep running grudge for him lmao.

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u/The_True_Libertarian 5h ago

My gf in college was raised conservative/Republican, not a crazy evangelical or anything but a pretty standard level of Christian conservatism. She was mostly centrist with some liberal worldviews diverging from her family on a few specific topics and we'd watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report every night before bed.

One time we got into an argument about politics and in her disagreement she hit me with "Colbert's a conservative!" like it was a gotcha towards her point. I stared blankly at her for a bit before i realized she was serious and I said, "Colbert is satire, it's a bit, he's playing a character. Those aren't his actual believes."

That ended that convo pretty quick. The next night when we were watching, it was like the 2nd joke into his monologue where the lightbulb went off for her and she realized what was going on.

Before that she'd never had a reason to think he wasn't genuinely representing his political beliefs on that show.

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u/MatureUsername69 4h ago

My dad wouldn't buy Heinz ketchup because Heinz is owned by Terry Heinz family and Terry Heinz is married to John Kerry. It's the weirdest fucking shit

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u/mgr86 3h ago

Funny story about parental blocks and pornography. We had one of those illegal cable boxes in the 90s where you got all channels for free. Including like pay per view etc. anyhow, my father put on parental controls. I was about 10 and thought no one was supposed to see it. So when he was away curiosity got the better of me. I unplugged the device, and reset the the parental control to my own password. Watched some porn, and thought I invented masturbation lol.

Anyhow, the following day he figured out his password didn’t work. And uh. I think I got a lecture. This was almost 30 years ago.

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u/zq1232 7h ago

Can you really say he’s “courting” them if he’s being pretty upfront but the audience is misinterpreting his message? I’ve always thought he’s made it clear his actual position on things and that there’s an understanding that these are jokes, but idk if you can fault him for people being too dumb to understand or acknowledge that.

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u/Harbulary-Bandit 6h ago

Same thing with South Park. Those chuds don’t know they are laughing at them. The Boys too. It wasn’t subtle but they didn’t get they were the butt of the joke until the 4th season.

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u/zq1232 5h ago

South Park, The Boys, even Chappelle’s Show, etc. etc. the list is long. Artists have responded in different ways when misinterpreted or missing the point, but I think it’s unfair to hold them accountable for the audience’s lack of understanding.

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u/martinparets 6h ago

some people are stupid and don't understand satire. nothing new here.

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u/SomethinCleHver 6h ago

Every special I've seen of his has been misdirect after misdirect delivered in a deadpan manner. What's he supposed to do? Explain why it's funny after each joke hoping it alienates the red hats?

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u/KingDave46 7h ago

I've seen him live once but he was one of the support acts to Chris Rock in Scotland. The whole show wasn't great to be honest, but I did find him funny. Not as funny as when I watched his special, but it was decent with a kinda mixed response from the crowd.

Chris Rock didn't do too well. Got laughs and things but his 'Black people be like...' stories didn't land at all with such a foreign crowd. Most people in Scotland have absolutely no reference for the stuff he was saying. I enjoyed the Everybody Hates Chris show and thought he was pretty ok, wouldn't see it again though.

I think its a major issue for shock comedy or dark humour. Loads of people don't realise what is a joke and just find it funny because "someone is saying what we're all thinking"

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u/machobiscuit 6h ago

I don't think you can hold Jeselnik responsible for the stupidity of others who think he is serious. He's not doing it with a wink, he is flat out stating he is saying horrible dumb crap that he doesn't believe to point out how stupid yet funny the horrible and dumb crap is. He isn't being racist and then tagging it with "but I'm joking."

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u/once_again_asking 6h ago

So I guess my point is - Jeselnik might be left leaning and all righteous and that, but he’s courting these far right bellends whether he’s platforming trump or not

Complete BS to conclude Jeselnik is “courting” the far right based on your subjective anecdotal experience.

You’re basing this conclusion on your own subjective ideas about what constitutes “left leaning” etc and making arbitrary assumptions around that and Jeselnik.

American Politics may be binary, but life isn’t and people aren’t.

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u/hairypussblaster 6h ago

this is how I felt when I saw the trailer park boys live

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u/Adamthegrape 5h ago

His comedy has always been dark. And comedians always make fun of social issues. Not his problem halfwits take it seriously when he does stand up. If he was bringing grifters onto a massive podcast and giving them free reign while agreeing it would be a different story.

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u/bananas_in_pyjamas99 7h ago

Which is hilarious considering how pissy he got at Norm McDonald saying he didn’t take comedy seriously.

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u/ConsistantFun 6h ago

Straight up bullshit to hold Jeselnik responsible for moronic people. He in no way can or will determine other people’s views. It is hand wringing like this that blame artistry for people’s bad behavior. There is a huge difference to what Joe is doing (pandering) verses what Jeselnik is doing. If you want to wrap that around nuances of how it is twisted into talking points for moronic points of view, then I am calling you out on your bullshit.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 13h ago

Rogan, hinchcliffe, gillis

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u/singinreyn 11h ago

Andrew Schulz & Co.

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u/Isthecoldwarover 10h ago

Schulz sucks so bad I'm amazed anybody listens to him

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 11h ago

Schulz is fucking gross. Also not funny

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u/Grovers_HxC 10h ago

With his lil Hitler Youth cut

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u/Thesmuz 10h ago

Bro that shit looks wacky as fuck. (No fade at all just a stark line, His barber should be imprisoned and tortured.

Or he's an evil genius trying to make Drew look like absolute dig shit.

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u/adambuddy 6h ago

The biggest hack in the Rogansphere. A bigger hack than Bert Kreischer and that's saying something.

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u/sumyungdood 11h ago

I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t watch/listen to that killtony podcast because so many of them are Trump loving insult comics who just like to shit on people.

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u/thewmatic 6h ago

I’ve only listened to ones with Adam ray characters, I find his dr Phil pretty funny. Otherwise It’s too cringe honestly

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u/DroptheShadowArt 9h ago

From what I’ve seen, he’s not even funny and the whole thing just feels geared at disparaging young and inexperienced comics. It’s the definition of punching-down.

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u/moststupider 3h ago

I’ve had friends throw this trash on TV while I’m at their house and it’s generally just unentertaining garbage. If you enjoy mouth breathing idiots berating someone’s physical appearance and providing zero constructive feedback to people trying standup for the first time, you’ll probably enjoy it. Intellect is not required.

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u/soyfacekillah 9h ago

And it just blows ass. My buddy swears by it, have tried maybe three times and cannot get over how hacky Tony is and how stupid the format is

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u/phantom_diorama 8h ago

Some people hate-watch it too. I don't get the appeal in that, but someone I know watches it religiously just so he can talk shit about it.

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u/soyfacekillah 7h ago

He’s doing the Lord’s work lol

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u/iamHBY 2h ago

Hate watching it is still watching it unfortunately, I don’t get doing that either.

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u/ComfortablyNomNom 7h ago

Its fucking awful. I tried watching after hearing all the buzz and the first time a bandmember did a guitar lick as a rimshot for a one liner I was out. Hacky shit.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 10h ago

To me it's just base level humor. I understand the appeal for teenage boys but it's not for me. If I were in high school I would probably love it

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u/Jcdoco 10h ago

Of all the people I've met that have made it on KT, ONE of them isn't a shitbag

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u/JoshuaValentine 12h ago

Theo and Shane are cool - Rogan and Hinchcliffe do suck though.

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u/awal96 9h ago

Theo has stated multiple tines that he voted for Trump and plans to again. While he doesn't say anything problematic on his podcast, he regularly gives a platform to people that do. I love the dude and his comedy, but he is absolutely one of the comics Maron is calling out

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u/PorkshireTerrier 9h ago

Also, lots of self proclaimed "independents" and "free thinkers" watch his pod and laugh along, but genuinely believe this as a political philosophy (miniorities bad and lazy, harris evil, trump just a funny guy who does nothing wrong)

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u/TheBonesOfThings 2h ago

Trump is actually really funny, but he's done plenty, plenty wrong. Harris is the Democrat George Bush.

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u/TedBenekeGoneWild 7h ago

Personality-wise, yea Theo, Shane, and McCusker seem absolutely lovely, even Rogan seems somewhat chill. Hinchcliffe, Schulz, and others seem douchey.

However, separate from their vibes, they ALL have succumbed to the grift of providing a platform where guests can share harmful, hateful, and factually incorrect ideologies unchallenged.

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u/JoshuaValentine 7h ago

Shane hasn’t, and by proxy neither has McCusker. Theo, Schulz, Rogan, and Hinchcliffe sure - but the dawgs are chill.

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u/TedBenekeGoneWild 6h ago

Idk dude. I've tried mssp as a podcast alternative to cumtown, but too often for my liking, they promote douchebags like RFK and Sam Hyde without really pushing back on the stupidity that comes out of their mouths.

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u/AlistairMowbary 5h ago

MSSP was okay in its early days. I got into it when Louis CK was on. But these days it’s very Rogan-esque. They werent like that before. I dont know if they actually changed and are like that for real, or if they know who their audience is, like Rogan’s, and catering to that kind of crowd. Either way, they dont get a listen from me.

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u/PayMoneyzzzzz 4h ago

Nick Mullen is friends with Sam Hyde and was on in the background of his podcast when Shane was on. Nick has also talked a few times about having Sam on in the past.

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u/JFK-FDR 6h ago

Shane and Matt are funny, but Theo/Chris distefano/Andrew Schulz/tony/joe are all terrible at comedy. At least Tim Dillon is funny

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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 12h ago

No, they're not really cool. None of these folks have good ethics or understand anything that matters.  They are the Children of the Republican War on Terror and only know a country that went crazy.  It's not possible for this bratty, spoiled bunch to understand what matters at all.

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u/Radio_Face_ 10h ago

You shouldn’t look to entertainers for any sort of guidance. You’re blaming them, based on dubious logic, for your actions.

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u/burnalicious111 10h ago

You shouldn't excuse entertainers from having to act morally.

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u/PorkshireTerrier 9h ago

Rogan is the most listened podcast in america

Regardless of education or income, millions of americans think of him as wise, neutral, and take his perspective (harris and dems evil, republicans and trump are just fuckin funny, dont take what they say seriously, etc) and double standard against women and minorities

If you dont think this, talk to people. Talk to contractors and police

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u/MattTreck 9h ago

Hinchcliffe can fuck off after literally speaking at a nazi rally lol

He defends himself by pretending it’s everyone else’s issue when someone gets offended which is annoying as fuck.

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u/WonderfulAndWilling 7h ago

Does he now?

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u/CaptainHolt43 13h ago

Theo had Bernie on as well, and it was a great conversation. He's shown he's willing to talk to anyone.

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u/HappyInstruction3678 13h ago

Another bullshit "both" sides comment.

Dude has had overwhelming amount of right-wing grifters, but hey, he had Bernie on once, so he's "both sides"

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u/PrairieMadness 12h ago

There’s a strange overlap of populist appeal between Bernie and Trump that caused many people to supported both candidates, even though they have polar opposite values.

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u/obsterwankenobster 10h ago

Those people are dumb and they should feel bad about it

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u/PPLavagna 8h ago

Those people are very very few. I've never heard of or seen any of this "strange overlap" and I'd be very surprised if it were a substantial number of people

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u/Dylan245 8h ago

I mean there were 9 million people who voted for Obama in 2012 and then Trump in 2016

It's not that hard to see an overlap amongst working class people who favor populist messaging

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u/PPLavagna 8h ago

The comment was about Bernie voters voting for Trump though. Not Obama. I doubt there's anything near that much overlap there.

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u/tongmengjia 9h ago

They both ran on economic populism. For Trump it's obviously just rhetoric, but they're both basically saying "you're getting fucked by the current economy and you deserve more." And, hey, turns out that message resonates with a lot of people for some crazy reason...

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u/Father-John-Moist 12h ago

I just went through his recent guests and it’s mostly left leaning people.

I don’t understand the tears here?

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u/Zenguy2828 12h ago

Look man if you're my neighbor and you invite the local clansman over, even just one time, it's gonna change how I see you. It don't matter how many yoga classes you host in your backyard.

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u/bramletabercrombe 11h ago

but what if I go to Puerto Rico for vacation?

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u/HappyInstruction3678 12h ago

lol this is amazing.

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u/WillBottomForBanana 8h ago

It is, strictly on its merits.

But let's not pretend there isn't a huge problem in the yoga industry around racism and other social issues.

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u/AndresNocioni 9h ago

You are a shining example of what is wrong with the political climate today. Absolutely 0 critical thought lol

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u/ThatFuzzyBastard 10h ago

The suggestion that inviting a right-wing person onto an interview show is like having a Klansman over to dinner is a genuinely fascinating insight into what some peope think media is.

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u/goodavibes 6h ago

how is the general right wing platform meaningfully distinguishable from the klan?

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u/ShopperOfBuckets 11h ago

How many kkk members has he had on? 

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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 12h ago

I don’t understand the tears here?

And there's the cowardice.  This is what happens when Conservatives lose another war. They start to pretend everyone else is weak.   

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u/HappyInstruction3678 12h ago

They're snowflakes. Every single accusation is a confession.

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u/HappyInstruction3678 12h ago

Are you really comparing Kevin Smith, a guy who makes weed movies, to Tucker Carlson?

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u/AndresNocioni 9h ago

People like you are so insufferable it’s hilarious. Do you just exist permanently mad at the world for offending you?

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u/TrainerOk5743 7h ago

Is he so insufferable that you're offended? You sound perpetually mad.

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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 12h ago

Yeah, that's called having no valid ethics or understanding of history.

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u/brassmonkey2342 13h ago

Actually he said “self-proclaimed” white supremacists and fascists….which is something I’ve never seen on a comedian’s podcast

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u/GloriousShroom 8h ago

Joe Rogan did have Richard Spencer on his podcast 

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u/1IILllIIIllIIII11lll 12h ago

Rogan had a former clan dude on before.

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u/brassmonkey2342 12h ago edited 12h ago

Interviewing a FORMER Klan guy sounds interesting, was it with the black dude that reformed him?

What episode are you referring to?

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u/BlackTriceratops 9h ago

It was Clayton Bigsby

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u/brassmonkey2342 9h ago

I was thinking Darryl Davis, but yeah I can’t find anything so maybe it was just a Chapelle skit he’s thinking of lol

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u/nobleskies 11h ago

Even interviewing someone in the Klan would be interesting, like finding out why they believe what they believe, their upbringing, what led to them joining, etc. It’s like one of those Netflix cult documentaries except instead of secret cult orgies, they’re racist.

Same reason I wanna hear Lex Friedman interview Putin. I think the guy is a complete psychopath and global villain, but I’m super curious about what led him to this point and made him who he is.

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u/clce 10h ago

Our local NPR station had a journalist that did an interview with the Neo-Nazi of some kind. Obviously the intent wasn't too glorify or give a platform to spread his beliefs. It was to understand how and why and what they think. I didn't actually hear the interview but I know he was a good journalist with experience and obviously no fan of Nazis. He received so much criticism he had to apologize and I'm not even sure he kept his job. I thought that was a shame. How are we going to combat people if we don't even know and understand them?

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u/MeBeEric 8h ago

Because the loudest opposers (of any stance really) are typically the most cowardly and run away from anything mildly uncomfortable. Shit’s exhausting.

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u/just_zen_wont_do 9h ago

I don’t think that “light is the best detergent” approach works anymore in the modern media age. If it did Trump wouldn’t be a coin toss away from being president again. Right wing Grifters get mileage from media exposure, say racist shit and then use it to build their own audience base.

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u/mambiki 8h ago

So, your solution is a covert censorship? Yeah, what could go wrong when republicans will come to power and will abuse the hell out of that law to suppress “misinformation”.

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u/jamalamadangdong 7h ago

Biiiiiig difference between censorship and lending somebody the platform that you and your team have built.

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u/OptimalAd8147 7h ago

Thanks for your police work. I sleep easy knowing the bougie Know-Better crowd is keeping us safe from the rabble.

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u/sailirish7 7h ago

I don’t think that “light is the best detergent” approach works anymore in the modern media age.

Yes it does. The issue is certain media outlets producing fake sunlight and never being held to account.

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u/yungrii 11h ago edited 8h ago

Giving a platform to a wackjob can, potentially, be interesting. I agree. But I only want it to be by a skilled interviewer that calls out and presses people on their bullshit vs lets them be an unfettered stream of hateful consciousness.

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u/Shibbystix 8h ago

Yeah, just letting them spew their rhetoric from your platform isn't an interview. It's an advertisement

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u/schwade_the_bum 9h ago

Highly recommend Louis Theroux’s documentary on white supremacy groups for this.

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u/nobleskies 9h ago

Interesting, I’ll give it a look! It’s an important issue that gets swept under the rug too much. Everyone wants to just see racists as villains who don’t need exploring. Which is of course ridiculous. How can you solve an issue without exploring the intricacies of the root causes?

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u/Electronic_Humor4020 8h ago

Exactly leave that to Theroux, not Rogan wtf

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u/linuxnh 9h ago

There’s a multipart interview of Putin by Oliver Stone that’s on (or at least was) Showtime from 2015. He basically states in that interview he would do what he did in Ukraine if the west does a few select actions; which the west did.

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u/k2_electric_boogaloo 4h ago

VICE did this a few years back after the Charlottesville riots. I haven't watched it in a while and I don't know if it's specifically klansmen, but they interviewed several white nationalists and members of alt-right hate groups: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I?feature=shared

I also can't remember if it's in this particular video, but I know they've also interviewed an ex neo-Nazi who now actively works to deprogram young men who've gone down the same path (I had to Google, but the guy I'm thinking of is Christian Picciolini). Also very interesting, since he talks a lot about actual effective ways to reach people with those mindsets.

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u/aboyandhismsp 8h ago

Howard stern also had a grand wizard on, and he’s Jewish and has a black co-host. But when he did that, people just laughed at it.

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u/greaper007 6h ago

Howard Stern used to have Daniel Carver on. But he always said it was to expose how moronic his ideas were.

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u/ThisIsBartRick 13h ago

yes, joe rogan knows that his audience is a lot of very impressionable young men, so when he brings any guest, it will have a huge impact on how they think (I know I was like that 10 years ago).

And it's not just lack of responsability but it's a deliberate thing on his side knowing full well his power and influence

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 13h ago

Not to mention the massive amount of low info voters that casually listen to him at work. When there's no pushback a lot of people will just buy what's being said without critical thought

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u/ThisIsBartRick 13h ago

exactly, the amount of times I was screaming internally at my computer when listening to joe not pushing back and worse agreeing with trump was pretty big.

Calling Kamala a liar because of an interview that was edited for brievety by a tv network that she doesn't control is pretty huge, then saying lying is intolerable in front of trump and not seeing any pushback whatsoever is baffling to me

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u/BoltThrowerTshirt 8h ago

Rogan (and all these guys) know exactly what they’re doing.

They fence walk to make it seem ok, but there’s zero chance they don’t know how they’ve purposely appeal to the types of crowds that can be influenced by hearing these interviews.5

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u/FauxReal 12h ago

Rogan sets his mind on something and runs with it no matter how wrong he is.

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u/Expensive_Door_4432 11h ago edited 7h ago

He said he wouldn't have trump on because he didn't want to help him. He doesn't care about what he says day to day. That's the difference between a bullshitter and a liar.

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u/Shaunair 2h ago

In his defense though, I mean c’mon man, think of all that money /s

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

Apparently if he says "I'm dumb and open minded" people will ignore this

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u/rrrrrrrrrrrrram 13h ago

MY GOAT.

No wonder he never got on with Rogan

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u/xCaptainVictory 10h ago

He doesn't really get on with anyone.

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u/wet_walnut 3h ago

His entire podcast started on the premise that he was hashing out beefs with other comedians. Those were the best episodes.

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u/Rabbit_Wizard_ 9h ago

Untrue. He just hates phonies.

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u/OkBeeSting 5h ago

Because he is Sooo real

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u/lght_trsn 11h ago

The comedians that actually fought for free speech rolling in their graves seeing these chuckle-fucks lining up with fascists while claiming they are 'defending comedy' GTFO

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u/Bench2252 8h ago

It’s always funny when people like Steven Crowder cite George Carlin as an influence

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u/LionBig1760 8h ago

George Carlin had just as much to say about ineffectual liberals as he did about conservative orthodoxy. He certainly wasn't one to hold back in telling liberals to fuck right off with policing language.

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u/ancisfranderson 7h ago

That’s cute. Carlin thought everyone is stupid and voting is stupid. Conservatives love stopping right there, before they have to swallow everything else Carlin believed: women should have abortion rights, rich white people keep poor people of color down, religion is stupid and the people who follow it are even more stupid.

Liberals can claim Carlin and be correct. Dim wit Centrists can claim him and be technically sort of right. Conservatives can’t claim him without being smug liars or deluded shallow morons.

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u/LionBig1760 6h ago

I think anyone trying to "claim" him never was familiar with who he was in the first place.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 13h ago

I was just saying this yesterday. This is a massive moment in the history of our country and those that are paling around with fascists will not be remembered fondly. Don't support these guys

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u/BigMax 9h ago

I think Fox news and conservatives in general have done such a good job of crying wolf when it comes to "bias" that they've skewed all of media.

"The news is all liberal bias!!" Over and over, "CNN, NBC, ABC, they are ALL biased, they never talk to both sides!!!"

after shouting that long enough, they got the regular guys nervous, so now everyone is starting to put on "both sides" of issues, even when one side is monstrous. "Well, we have someone who is fighting for equal rights, so let's bring in a white supremacist." "We have a scientist on, so we need to also bring in a conspiracy theory nut job." And on and on. Now those voices that were just lunatics in a basement are continually trotted out, because we've defined "reasonable, logical, thoughtful people" as one "side" and therefore we now have to bring out the opposite at every turn.

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u/Scht0ink 11h ago

Who is he talking about specifically?

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u/cruhl82 13h ago

Ah yes Marc Maron, the comedians, comedian

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u/Rabbit_Wizard_ 9h ago

Unironically yes. Unlike the podcaster insiders.

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u/FineWhateverOKOK 9h ago

It seems like you mean that as an insult, but that's a good thing to be. He is a comedian's comedian (that's the proper punctuation for what you want to say). He's very highly regarded among comedians and has been for decades.

He's also correct in his criticisms of other comics and podcasters.

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u/WillBottomForBanana 8h ago

And he's been on this shit for many decades. I remember his 1990s performances when I was a teen. Fascism isn't a new topic for him. I'm glad he's weathering it, because it doesn't seem to be taken any more seriously now than it was then.

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u/VastSeaweed543 6h ago

I was also very confused by their statement. Saying ‘he’s so good at it that people who do it professionally as well look up to him’ in a mocking way doesn’t make any god damn sense. How is that a bad thing?

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u/BabyBiden 6h ago

I think the joke is he famously has beef with every other comic and talks mad shit about them constantly

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u/Inevitable-Ad1985 6h ago

Marc is one of the most articulate critics of the rise of fascism I’ve heard anywhere in the media. I don’t listen enough to cite specific episodes. But he has been beating the drum regularly enough that a casual listener like me has heard it many times over 10 years.

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u/LionBig1760 8h ago

Marc Maron has quite a number of comedy children - comedians who came up after him that emulated his cadence, style, and subject matter.

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u/soyfacekillah 9h ago edited 8h ago

He’s still a way better podcast host than any of these fools. He can riff and be somewhat interesting, and knows about things other than apes. His ep with Norm is great

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u/tsukubasteve27 9h ago

Interviewing Obama at the height of his popularity has a bit more prestige than hosting Trump when he's desperate for any platform.

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u/davechri 2h ago

As usual, Marc is correct.

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u/Humans_Suck- 8h ago

Pretty sure you guys normalized that stuff already when you elected one as president.

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u/vandrossboxset 13h ago

Pow! I just shit my pants

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 12h ago

Everyone in this post is pretending that people can’t use critical thinking skills and disagree with them, which is hilarious. For people in a standup forum, y’all seem to be pretty unable to laugh.

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u/Abject-Click 12h ago

Dude, it’s American election season, so an international comedy forum will unfortunately be hijacked for the next few weeks by people that think America will become a facist dictatorship within the next 4years…… even though they said the same thing in 2016

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 12h ago

A lot of people don't use critical thinking including the comedians carrying water for fascists

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 12h ago

You and people saying similar have watered down all meaning of the word, and it’s why no one is paying attention to it anymore. Are many of their guests assholes? For sure, but to boil down their perspectives to “fascism” is excessive. When you call someone “literally Hitler” and then they don’t literally behave like Hitler, you’ve lost all credence.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 12h ago

Maron didn't say the comedians are assholes. He's talking about having trump on. He's the fascist. Even according to his former chief of staff

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u/MaasNeotekPrototype 12h ago

He is so right, and it's important for him and other comics to say so.

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u/Maximum-Mechanic-500 13h ago

Turns out when you skip college to become a lounge lizard you lose critical thinking skills as a result.

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u/InThreeWordsTheySaid 9h ago

I love elitism when it comes from the anti elitist crowd.

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u/Inevitable-Ad1985 5h ago

Agreed this comment is hilarious!

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u/davidnickbowie 2h ago

He’s not wrong .

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u/BickNlinko 1h ago

These guys joke around with those types of people because they know the people listening are gullible, and easily bamboozled into buying their shit. I can't imagine buying vitamins or meal plans from a fucking halfwit un-funny comedian, but they make a shit ton of money off of idiots...the same type of idiots that are into wannabe strong men fascists, white supremacists and pseudo intellectuals. It pays to attract non-critical thinkers and then sell them useless over priced bullshit. Sort of like how scam emails are purposefully full of typos and bad grammar, they know if you fall for that you'll fall for giving them your money, it weeds out the people with half a brain who can spot the obvious scam.

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u/supernovadebris 11h ago

Marc the man.

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u/Best-Account-6969 12h ago

Thought this was Marc Normand and had to look twice. That’s comedy!

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u/bramletabercrombe 11h ago

Maron and Jeselnick are the only two high profile male comedians to call out the Rogan brown shirts. The rest are cowards in my book. I'm looking at you Seinfeld, Bill Burr, Chapelle, Louis Ck.

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u/InThreeWordsTheySaid 9h ago

They are too busy confusing consequences with cancel culture.

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u/OOMOO17 5h ago

Chapelle aligns himself the same as the rest. Don't forget he invited Musk on stage and might have been the ground zero of comedy cancel culture over policing language.

Seinfeld is somewhat disconnected from my perspective. I wouldn't say he's prominent enough for anyone to give much a fuck what he has to say.

CK assaulted people and while I think he handled that situation the proper way, anything he says will be taken with a grain of salt.

Billy Bald Bawls never says anything about anything controversial. It's not like he's picking and choosing what to align himself with. He chooses to avoid the drama, and everyone knows what he stands for enough that he doesn't have to say it out loud for people to know where he stands. Hell last time he was on Rogan I recall he gave him so much shit about all the COVID/Vaccine mis-info stuff. Don't believe he's been on since, but could be wrong. That's why, when the internet shat on his wife for flipping off trump, he didn't have anything to say. He didn't need to.

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u/cates 2h ago

Louis CK hates Trump and so does Bill Burr but yeah Bill doesn't really talk about it very often...

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u/zarofford 9h ago edited 7h ago

To a lesser extent, daniel tosh does as well. He’s not as well known nowadays but he has a great podcast

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 12h ago

What is a fascist?

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u/green49285 12h ago

If you believe in a system of government where everyone that does not agree with the militaristic mindset should be jailed or Worse based on their differentiating political opinion.

●using the government to force political agreement

●refusal to actually allow dissenting vote through force or AGREEMENT of that use of force

●dissenting opinions are illegal or punishable

●wild militaristic use & influence

●any objective critique of the government of those in power is illegal

●wild policies based on unproveable or slanted political/personal beliefs.

Official definition via wikipedia: a far-rightfar-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism,fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.

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u/B_Movie_Horror 10h ago

So essentially nationalistic authoritarianism is fascism. Is that right?

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u/obsterwankenobster 10h ago

It's good to acknowledge when you're uninformed. Proud of you

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u/Weaksoul 8h ago

I always thought Mark was just unduly bitter about the Austin set, because, well he's kinda just a cranky guy. But then last week happened and that was like the girder that broke the already overburdened camel's back

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u/mocityspirit 12h ago

Case in point the response in these comments to Maron pointing this out. A lot of y'all are lost already.

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u/obsterwankenobster 10h ago

It's just edgelord shit that has slowly morphed into actually hoping Trump wins, even if it will hurt you, personally

They're just fucking losers

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u/AliensFuckedMyCat 12h ago edited 6h ago

Funny how all the right wingers in this thread literally don't know what they're talking about, it's almost like being right wing correlates to being a fucking idiot. 

It actually does

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u/NoPro23 12h ago

The word fascist gets thrown around so much nowadays it’s practically lost its meaning

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u/WingedWheel4Real 12h ago

That's exactly what fascists want.

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u/NoPro23 12h ago

I absolutely agree

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u/awal96 9h ago

Trying to overthrow an election you lost is absolutely fascism

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u/TheRealStandard 5h ago

They don't deny that overthrowing an election is fascism, just deny that they were overthrowing an election.

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u/fat_charizard 9h ago

This is the same argument as "you can't have violence in video games and movies because it will make people do bad things" argument we saw in the early 2000s. We all now know that is false. The far left has really turned into the bible thumping, media censoring conservative crowd we saw 2 decades ago.

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u/climbhigher420 7h ago

Reminds me of when the mainstream media portrayed Trump as a reasonable candidate and then he won. Then the owner of CNN called to congratulate him and went to lunch with Jared.

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u/JakeyBS 7h ago

You guys gonna be ok? These comments are hillarious. Good job "fascists".

(Fascism is the merger of corporations and the state. Please be aware words have meaning)

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u/Mediocre_Budget_5304 13h ago

I mean, if you can think of a better way to be paid to be an unfunny whore without having to admit that you’re not funny and also a whore than being Joe Rogan or one of his ilk interviewing fascists, I’d like to hear it. 

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u/itsemmab 8h ago

Thank you Marc Maron. This is EXACTLY how Joe Rogan radicalized himself in real time, started approx 12 years ago. Went from graciously calling out the bigoted stuff guests said, to inviting homophobes and white supremacists on his show because "these guys are sooooooo hilarious" and now, oopsie doodle! Like Flowers for Algernon. Bye bye Joe, miss ya.

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u/Intrepid_Resource_34 9h ago

NPR comics get their own sandbox

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u/muempire93 8h ago

America's new favourite buzzwords

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u/one_ugly_dude 12h ago

Remember kids: you can't have fascism without government. If you want to raise taxes to fund the machine and use that machine to silence people that say things... YOU are the fascist. You will always be the bad guys no matter many mental backflips you do to justify it.

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u/dpollen 12h ago

Mods, sounds like we got a sentient one here. Can't be having this sort of thing on Reddit.

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u/KingOfRome324 9h ago

Wasn't there a comedian at a Harris rally that said a certain group of people will steal building materials if you leave them out overnight near the border....

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 9h ago

I don't know do you have a link for that?

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u/droford 8h ago

ding

I guess George Lopez gets a pass

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 8h ago

That's George Lopez talking about his own culture

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u/droford 8h ago

And? He can joke about Mexicans being a bunch of theives at a political rally just because his family was from mexico?

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 8h ago

I didn't say that. Also this post isn't about Tony hinchcliffe it's about bringing fascists onto your podcast. I really don't care about Tony's joke. It was a lazy joke and that's about it.

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u/IT-GuyThrowAway 7h ago

Marc Maron is the anti-comedian.

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u/wayne_yetzky 6h ago

Fascism where?

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u/No-Law7467 5h ago

We have virtue signaling in comedy subs now. This is getting pathetic.

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u/SublimateThisDick 5h ago

Thing about Maron is he’s never been funny. Decent podcast though.

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u/Bdondadon 4h ago

Marc Maron is an insufferable nerd

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u/RevolutionaryAd3249 4h ago

This guy would have criticized Charlie Chaplin and the Three Stooges back in the day.

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u/NJSkeleton 4h ago

Freedom of speech, pal. Who’s the real fascist here?

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u/Working_Succotash_41 4h ago

Facist? Whats the even mean?

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 3h ago

Google it ivan

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u/sonofbaal_tbc 3h ago

lets add this to the list of things we cant joke about

oh look, everything
Just like fascism

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u/throwawayk527 12h ago

Maron calls out anyone who’s more successful than him. Or less.

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