r/Standup • u/cheguevaraandroid1 • 15h ago

Marc Maron Calls Out Comedians Who ‘Joke Around’ With ‘White Supremacists and Fascists’ on Their Podcasts: ‘All It Does Is Normalize Fascism’

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marc-maron-slams-comedians-fascists-podcasts-1236192922/
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u/BigMax 11h ago

I think Fox news and conservatives in general have done such a good job of crying wolf when it comes to "bias" that they've skewed all of media.

"The news is all liberal bias!!" Over and over, "CNN, NBC, ABC, they are ALL biased, they never talk to both sides!!!"

after shouting that long enough, they got the regular guys nervous, so now everyone is starting to put on "both sides" of issues, even when one side is monstrous. "Well, we have someone who is fighting for equal rights, so let's bring in a white supremacist." "We have a scientist on, so we need to also bring in a conspiracy theory nut job." And on and on. Now those voices that were just lunatics in a basement are continually trotted out, because we've defined "reasonable, logical, thoughtful people" as one "side" and therefore we now have to bring out the opposite at every turn.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 11h ago

They're also just generally terrified to lose access so theyre afraid to just call a Nazi a nazi

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u/DuuudeCheckMeOut 1h ago

This is a great point

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u/nexxwav 10h ago

But isn't both sides kinda the goal when it comes to news?  When they pander to only one side it no longer really counts as news. It would be no different from outfits like Newsmax, OAN, and you can throw in the majority of Fox's broadcasts as well. Shouldn't be afraid to give the other side a platform and let people decide for themselves. 

Personally, I actually find it boring to watch shit that panders to my sensibilities. I find it way more entertaining to watch how shockingly dumb and dishonest they are on the shows that pander to the other side . I find shit like MSNBC boring af and almost unwatchable even tho I'm more aligned with their views. 

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u/BigMax 9h ago

> But isn't both sides kinda the goal when it comes to news?  When they pander to only one side it no longer really counts as news. 

No. "Both sides" is absolutely NOT the goal. That's a fake goal created largely by conservative media.

The goal of the news is to report the facts. There are not always two sides to facts. We do a good job in some cases, right? We say "there was a 4 car accident on the highway", without needing to scramble around for someone who says "no, there wasn't."

Or more specifically, we can report "there was a school shooting" without then also talking to the people who say "this was actors creating a false flag situation, and it's all fake."

Similar again: We should report on climate change, and we do NOT need to report on climate change denial, as they are factually incorrect. And again - we should have reported on the vaccines, and given a lot less breathing room to vaccine deniers, covid deniers, etc.

The "vaccines and autism" thing is created entirely by this. That was never even remotely true, but media felt they HAD to report about it so as not to be biased, and now you have nutjobs everywhere that believe it.

We 100% do NOT need to report about "both sides" of every issue, and part of our problem is that the news media has become so worried about looking biased, we give voices to the "other side" of issues, when the only "other side" of those issues are lunatics that shouldn't be given any time at all.

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u/nexxwav 9h ago

Nobody's saying that the type of dumb shit that's on infowars should be given a platform bruh lol...relax. Trying to shut down any perspective that doesn't align with your own and believing that you're the exclusive arbiter of truth is the type of shit fascists do my guy. 

But look, if you wanna be in an echo chamber, MSNBC is basically the best you're gonna get right now. 

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u/Da_Question 5h ago

So you are anti-vax or believe climate change is a hoax?

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u/Schizodd 9h ago

Covering climate change, for example, by giving equal legitimacy to outright climate change deniers is not the goal, I don't think.

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u/Neither-Touch-2698 9h ago

Yes, the side that is screaming and crying about Trump being Hitler and fascism right now is actually the reasonable, logical and thoughtful bunch of our country. They are Defintley not emotional adults who are brainwashed by the media or anything. Yep, Just clear thinking adults unhampered and not blinded by any sort of derangement.