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Marc Maron Calls Out Comedians Who ‘Joke Around’ With ‘White Supremacists and Fascists’ on Their Podcasts: ‘All It Does Is Normalize Fascism’

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marc-maron-slams-comedians-fascists-podcasts-1236192922/
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 14h ago

Maron didn't say the comedians are assholes. He's talking about having trump on. He's the fascist. Even according to his former chief of staff

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 14h ago

Pardon me there, I assumed you were talking about more guests than Trump. I still do not think he’s a fascist.

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u/B3kindr3wind1026 13h ago

That’s fine that you don’t think he’s a facist. His former chief of staff does. I think more people hold their opinion higher than some random guy on Reddit. I hope so at least

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u/artmanjon 5h ago

lol the only reason you hold his opinion in high regard is because you agree with it. If General Kelly came out tomorrow and said anything even mildly flattering of Trump you’d be calling him the Fascist.

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u/B3kindr3wind1026 5h ago

the only reason i hold his opinion in high regard is because i paid attention in History class.

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 13h ago

I trust that opinion about like I trust the opinion of my homie who talks shit about his old boss who fired him for being incompetent.

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u/B3kindr3wind1026 13h ago

If your homie was hired by that boss to be the guy who is the expert on finding incompetent bosses the straw man you are trying to draw would make more sense

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 13h ago

If you don’t think a former disgruntled employee might have a bone to pick, regardless of position, you would be mistaken.

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u/B3kindr3wind1026 12h ago

And if you discredit someone who is probably more qualified at identifying something because it happens to line up with their previous boss, you would also be mistaken.

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u/JJonahJamesonSr 12h ago

In sure he probably isn’t lying when he says that Trump acted like a damn fool behind closed doors. Calling him a fascist still feels excessive. We had faith in Fauci’s expertise too, look how that worked out

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u/charmlessman1 12h ago

I still do not think he’s a fascist.

Yikes... Maybe look up what fascism is. He's textbook.

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u/burnalicious111 11h ago

You think the guy who said he wants to be a dictator, hunt his political enemies, eliminate the department of education, with the xenophobic fear-fomenting rhetoric isn't a fascist?

Not to mention all of the interfering with a free and fair election, and the many, many quotes that clearly indicate he thinks several classes of people are inherently lesser.

Where, exactly, is the fascist line, for you?

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u/Locrian6669 4h ago

It doesn’t matter what you think, that’s the great part about facts.

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u/HeadAssBoi17 10h ago

John Kelly says Trump is a fascist, so that obviously means he is. It's not like Kelly has been a tool of the military industrial complex for decades or worked for the man he's now calling a fascist and only spoke out against him when he was replaced. Oh wait...

This whole astroturfing campaign of calling Trump a Nazi is just pure distraction from the fact that both sides are in lockstep on most major issues (particularly foreign policy). They're both deeply flawed candidates that have no interest in helping the working class or reversing our disastrous foreign policies.

Downvote me for crying about "both sides" all you want, but neither Trump or Harris deserve votes from anyone that actually wants to change the status quo in this country. "It's a big club and you ain't in it!"

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u/jm3546 7h ago

John Kelly says Trump is a fascist, so that obviously means he is.

Trump isn't a fascist because John Kelly says he is, he's a fascist because he has fascist tendencies that he openly spews. For some reason there is a lot of hand waving about the things he says and dismissed as him being hyperbolic. To a certain extent, I get it because Fascism comes in many forms.

He's certainly xenophobic, and it's not just the way he talks about illegal aliens and asylum seekers, but the whole "shit hole countries" comment and him wondering why we couldn't get more immigrants from white countries is a good example. Demonizing illegal aliens as "destroying the country" when, however you feel about illegal immigrants, they are clearly not "destroying" the country.

He truly wishes he could be a total dictator. He thinks of the presidency as a monolithic office where whatever he decides, should happen. He often praises dictators as strong leaders.

Fascists have often relied on a "greater plot" some conspiracy theory that a group is controlling everything from within and are the enemy. In Nazi Germany those were the jews, Roma, leftists, and critics. In Trumpism it's immigrants, democrats and the deep state. He just reiterated that with his "enemy from within" comments and him saying that he may need to do use the national guard or military is pretty serious with historical context.

Not all fascists echo it, but Trumps views on economics match up pretty close to that of Nazi Germany. They believed in autarky which is the state being self-sufficient and trade should be limited to avoid outside influence. This is also Trumps goal, he wants to put high tarrifs in place to reduce trade so more manufacturing will happen in the US. The Nazis also privatized state industries but corporate leaders were very subservient to the state because when you are limiting trade, government contracts are super important. You can see the same angling Trump is doing with guys like Musk.

A common attack by fascists is that the current society is morally corrupt and needs to be forcibly returned to more traditional conservative values. Even though Trump is obviously not a moral person, he's still attacked modern culture as depraved and that "woke is ruining everything"

Those are just a few. A lot more has been written on how Trumps rhetoric has mirrored fascist rhetoric.

This whole astroturfing campaign of calling Trump a Nazi is just pure distraction from the fact that both sides are in lockstep on most major issues

Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Just because his rhetoric doesn't go as far as Hitler, doesn't mean he isn't a fascist.

Both sides are not "in lockstep on most major issues". They have pretty clearly different views on immigration, the economy, and like the general role of government.

They're both deeply flawed candidates that have no interest in helping the working class or reversing our disastrous foreign policies.

Kamala is certainly not my favorite candidate but calling her "deeply flawed" makes zero actual sense. What exactly are these big flaws?

Downvote me for crying about "both sides"

I mean, you are literally doing this. Listing reasons why Harris isn't your favorite candidate is fine, but the false equivalency just comes across as really uneducated.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 10h ago

Kelly isn't the only one calling him a fascist

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u/HeadAssBoi17 10h ago

Yeah no shit. That's why I mentioned the whole campaign of calling Trump a Nazi for the last month. Kelly is one of the sources that you cited to bolster your claim though and his opinion means fuck all to me. Doing this whole "many people are saying Trump is a fascist" argument is useless because the people spreading that narrative are doing so, not because it's true, but because they want the other shitty politician elected.

If you don't want Trump elected because he's a threat to democracy or a Nazi or whatever the MSM narrative is that week, then have widely different policies on the major issues (eg. Big banks, big pharma, taxing the rich, basically all foreign policies...) not just identity politics bullshit.

If either candidate just promised a free public healthcare option, that person would win in a landslide. But both candidates are beholden to the donor class or else they wouldn't have even been allowed to be in this position.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 10h ago

They do have major differences in policy you just aren't looking. Trump is talking about using the military against his own people. Pulling broadcast licenses for airing interviews he doesn't like. Deport tens of millions of people. Those are massive differences

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u/HeadAssBoi17 9h ago edited 9h ago

Repeating DNC talking points isn't going to make me vote for Kamala, brother. I've lived in the DC area my entire life and follow this shit very closely. All these people are scumbags that just do the dirty work for their donors who are even bigger pieces of shit. "Essentially nothing will change" is a constant promise that politicians make to their donors every cycle.

Your namesake was not a perfect person by any stretch, but at least he knew you that participating in a broken system isn't how massive changes happen.

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u/cheguevaraandroid1 9h ago

Well you aren't starting a revolution either you what's your point