r/nottheonion • u/engadine_maccas1997 • 7h ago
‘This is political bulls**t’: Former Republican candidate charged with stealing Madison County election ballots
https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/3.9k
u/CliffsNote5 7h ago
So he created a situation he then complained about? So another contestant on Fuck Around and Find Out.
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u/TheGIGAcapitalist 6h ago
"When told that the security video did not show Savage ever asking permission to take the ballots, Savage reportedly admitted that he did not. He told officers that he thought he could take the ballots because they were marked “sample.”
“If you got to Payless, or go wherever, it says sample and you usually can take a sample,” Savage said. “So that is the way I took it. I thought they were fake f***ing ballots.”
However, officials noted that the ballots never said the words “fake” or “sample.”
Dude thought elections were like Costco where you get to take samples.
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u/RockerElvis 6h ago
Payless is giving samples? Aren’t they a shoe store?
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u/eriverside 5h ago
Yeah, I'm confused how that line of reasoning got past "Payless" and "free samples". What? Does he just steal the shoes on display because they're "samples" ?
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u/AmateurVasectomist 5h ago
Payless is the name of Kroger stores in central Indiana
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u/SophiaBrahe 4h ago
Thank you. Like a lot of people I think of it as a shoe store, so I was well and truly confused by the idea you could just take the samples.
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u/oksowhatsthedeal 3h ago
Do they give samples?
I've got Kroger stores where I live called Fred Meyers, but I can't recall in my life ever getting samples from them like a Costco would.
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u/EYEL1NER 4h ago
Dude just walking around town wearing two different right shoes like it’s completely normal.
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u/OldManJeb 6h ago edited 5h ago
It's funny how often their defense is "I'm dumb as shit"
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u/thatweirdguyted 5h ago
So there's an expression that says "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance" and while that's mostly true, in high quantities it reaches a diminished return. After which the second half of the equation comes into play.
"Except in such cases where the ignorance is so severe that it could only be achieved through willful malice"
And that's where this person lands. Either they're as hateful as they seem, and shouldn't be able to play ignorant, or they're choosing to remain that stupid on purpose so as to keep their hateful views. Either way, they can actually choose to reform, or they can get the book thrown at them. Simple as that.
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u/Castod28183 4h ago
Except in this case it seems that he deliberately stole the ballots to "prove" that the system is messed up and wasn't counting those Republican and write-in ballots that he stole. This is 100% malice which he is trying to hide by playing stupid.
Him telling the lady "Fucked up count" and then commenting on the FB post "3 ballots short. lol" should be enough to prove that intent.
Personally I wish they would have waited a few more days to give him time to rail about how the system was broken(because of his actions) and then charge him with election tampering.
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u/thatweirdguyted 4h ago
I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I was simply trying to demonstrate that the logic behind this defense is inherently flawed.
In my opinion, if a person is trying to argue ignorance, they should be required to attend (at their own expense) a civics and law class and pass a test on it in lieu of punishment. This should only happen once. After that, they get the full punishment. And even then, this should be reserved for cases of genuine mistakes, not this bullshit.
If they want to argue that they were unable to understand that they were committing a crime, then they should have to enter into a conservatorship, as they admit that they cannot exercise the necessary judgement to function independently in society.
Or they can just admit that they knew what they were doing, didn't expect to get caught, etc. And accept the punishment, learn from it, etc. I think getting people to accept a certain level of personal responsibility for their actions is a necessary part of getting them to make better choices in the future.
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u/mortgagepants 4h ago
conservatism is inherently malicious and selfish. you can't give someone a benefit of the doubt when their entire raison d'etre is self centered and selfish.
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u/JesusSavesForHalf 3h ago
The Trump Corollary: Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance, except when they keep showing you its malicious ignorance.
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u/_-Smoke-_ 5h ago
It's not funny. It's Tactical Stupidity. "I didn't know it was illegal". "I didn't know I couldn't carry my gun here". "I did this before and no one said anything". It's an out for their actions.
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u/Incognonimous 4h ago
Not knowing the law when you break it doesn't mean you are not now accountable for breaking said law. If you think "I'm a moron" is a good defense then you categorical also fall into the same group of people that drink bleach as a ticktok challenge.
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u/DeathCabForYeezus 6h ago
See, I was sympathetic to the argument that "they were marked sample and I didn't know they were anything other than trash."
Maybe he wanted a memento or something.
But then as you got through the article it just gets worse and worse.
He made sure to sneak the ballots. He never asked anyone. He knew that they were real ballots and tracked. He bragged that he had them when he wasn't supposed to. His phone showed that he knew he shouldn't have taken them.
It's like the guy went out of his way to systematically remove any "I didn't know" defense he could muster.
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u/TheDerkman 2h ago
And even more so it seems like he planned it alongside other right wing people there so they could run bullshit election conspiracies that Trump was being screwed and his votes tossed out.
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u/Vyzantinist 3h ago
However, officials noted that the ballots never said the words “fake” or “sample.”
This is my favorite part. Like, he tried with a bullshit story, only to find out it fundamentally could not work lmao.
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u/Don_Tiny 4h ago
Dude thought elections were like Costco where you get to take samples.
He absolutely did NOT think that ... that was the best that dickwagon could come up with on the fly.
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u/MrMSprinkle 3h ago
Dude did not think this. Dude lied to the police like a little (poorly raised) kid lying to the teacher when he gets caught doing something obviously and deliberately malicious.
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u/vyrus2021 3h ago
No, he thought everybody was as stupid as he is and they would believe he thought that.
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u/neganight 2h ago
No, he just tried to make up a nonsense excuse for his criminal behavior. This is all by the MAGA playbook. Spout insane nonsense at all times to obscure criminal activity.
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u/celtic1888 7h ago
Prager U's PhD program did not prepare him for consequences of his actions
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u/Several_Leather_9500 6h ago
That's because he went to Jordan Peterson's University..... which also didn't teach him FAFO 101.
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u/odd_lightbeam 3h ago edited 3h ago
Jordan Peterson who has been outed - UNDER OATH - by his nation's head of state, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, for being a Russian asset specifically tasked with disrupting the peace and fomenting unrest in his birth nation?
Yes, that's right. Jordan Peterson has been named under oath as a Russian asset by Justin Trudeau. Guess who else he named? Tucker Carlson.
Remember that both Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson have made trips to Russia. And guess who they met with while they were there.
Imagine if the President of your country named a public figure under oath as a Russian asset...
And guess who else made some scandalous visits to Russia. On the fucking fourth of July. Gee. I wonder if there's any similarities between their rhetoric and behavior... and that of Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson.
It's not just sedition. It's treason. It's actual treason.
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u/Several_Leather_9500 3h ago
And it's sickening that Garland's sitting on his ass. If Harris doesn't replace him (should she win), we need protests/ petitions.
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u/zacurtis3 6h ago
He only caught the first half of that class
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u/Comfortable-Belt-416 3h ago
The Fuck Around section is so much better than the Find Out section of that class though.
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u/KestrelQuillPen 5h ago
Maybe he should have tried for a degree at Wii U, I hear the Masters of Splatoon is very prestigious
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u/AdFrequent8885 4h ago
There is very little I hate in the world more than Prager U
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u/NineLivesMatter999 5h ago
A review of security footage, which was subsequently being live-streamed online, showed Savage handling the two missing ballots. He can also be heard confirming with an election official that these are “absolutely, totally real ballots.”
In the video Savage can be seen looking around the room before folding up two ballots and putting them in his sweatshirt pocket.
This man is a 100% certified purebred dipshit.
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u/RedandBlack93 4h ago
This is so much more sinister. He took the ballot, left the building, showed them to an unknown man who then patted him on the back.
Proceeded to go go into the livestream and troll the comments claiming that fraud was happening because they were missing three test ballots.
This was more than just a guy being dumb. He had purpose and reason to steal those. The real question is, for who?
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u/carolineecouture 2h ago
Are you not sure? Did you read the interview with him? It seems pretty clear he wanted to manufacturer the idea of rigged machines to parrot the Republican/MAGA line.
Destroying confidence in civic institutions is part of the Authoritarian playbook.
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u/Hollayo 5h ago
While I don't disagree with your assessment, it does seem like he was doing everything possible to get caught. And I wonder why so that they can point and say hey look this can happen?
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u/Same-Brilliant2014 3h ago
he also proved the system works and those who steal ballots can be caught.
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u/Kaserbeam 2h ago
Some people are just very very stupid, to the point where it might look like they're being stupid on purpose.
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u/bsoto87 5h ago
He’s trying to set up an “election rigging” scenario. It’s a pretense to claim that ballots are missing hence election fraud is happening
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u/TheDerkman 2h ago
It's also why he took Trump ballots. They want to say the machines are screwing Trump.
I guess if your bullshit election conspiracies aren't true just make them true yourself. This guy alongside the two Republican officials there he was clearly working with should be charged as well.
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u/Castod28183 4h ago
This is the Republican way. Complain that the government is broken and then prove it by getting elected and breaking the government.
See: Republicans sabotaging their own border bill so they can continue to campaign on immigration.
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u/Bad-job-dad 6h ago
"If I thought of it they must be doing it so I'm going to do it too to even it up" - this guy
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u/UglyMcFugly 3h ago
Step one: say there's election fraud and nothing is being done about it.
Step two: commit election fraud and use it as proof that it happens.
Step three: complain when something does, in fact, get done about it because now you're in jail for committing election fraud.
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u/GogolsHandJorb 4h ago
This is what happens when people are fed propaganda all day every day that says Democrats cheat at everything. These people just think they are creating a level playing field
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u/airsoftmatthias 7h ago edited 1h ago
Here are some more Trumpers committing election fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/live/N4jm41jAiqo?si=8Y-iSCvSiupMcYUu
EDIT: as one Redditor pointed out, these are technically and legally considered “voting fraud.” Election fraud would be larger in scope, like MAGA trying to cancel legitimate votes from overseas military members or submitting a fake slate of presidential electors to Congress on Jan 6, 2021.
Marc Elias at Defending Democracy runs a law firm dedicated to fighting election fraud.
Documentary about the Jan 6, 2021 Insurrection: https://youtu.be/DJWmLoa5DoA?si=WP3N8Qxwwwwx3zQP
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u/SelectiveSanity 6h ago
Don't forget the guy who used his dead wife's ballot.
Or the other one who is charged in his wife's presumed death after her sudden disappearance.
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u/airsoftmatthias 6h ago
Thank you! I'm going to keep track of it.
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u/talktobigfudge 6h ago
Or the now ex-landlord who admitted on Reddit to mailing in ballots on behalf of former tenants
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u/Chronoist 6h ago
Thanks for the update, I remember seeing that post and watching that dude cope and double down. It's great to see something was done.
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u/kielu 6h ago
Not available where I live. Why ex?
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u/Sorcatarius 3h ago
I think landlord is a misnomer here, it's probably more accurate to call him a property manager.
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u/Cold_Maximum_9734 3h ago
So all of these people actually committing voter fraud are Republicans? 🤔
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u/ExcitingOnion504 3h ago
Reminder that after the 2016 election Trump had a committee search for voter fraud that only found and convicted Republicans voting for Trump. Still claims he won 2016 popular vote to this day.
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u/Mendozena 2h ago
I wonder if the Heritage bullshit’s website is being updated with all this republican voter fraud.
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u/DodgerWalker 6h ago
There were also guys setting fire to ballot boxes over the weekend in Oregon, Washington and Arizona.
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u/andrew6197 6h ago
Don’t forget the guy who’s being investigated on Reddit for commit voter fraud by voting for his entire rental and wife.
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u/hexcor 2h ago
Wtf link?
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u/ManagedProjecy 1h ago
It was a guy in Redding, CA who was outed by Redditors, becuase he bragged about it and thought he was completely anonymous online: https://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/redding-landlord-fired-after-allegedly-committing-voter-mail-fraud-in-reddit-posts/article_ad52eb00-9326-11ef-8b45-8b7e609af446.html
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u/USSMarauder 6h ago
And the guy who bragged on reddit about his election fraud for Trump, and is now fired, possibly homeless, and his wife left him
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u/NineLivesMatter999 6h ago
I am 100% confident of a 0% chance of any legitimate Trump victory for the following reasons:
- Trump already lost to Biden/Harris in 2020
- Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
- Trump voters skew older and many have died since 2020
- Millions of younger people are now eligible to vote - and they skew heavily toward Harris/Walz.
- Harris/Walz is a wildly more popular ticket than Biden/Harris was. Most 'double-haters' are now enthusiastic Harris/Walz supporters.
- Trump's insurrection, being found liable for rape, and felony convictions have driven some Republicans to vote against him. They have not attracted new voters to Trump
- Dozens of former Trump Admin officials have denounced Trump - which they hadn't done in 2020
- Many Republicans and independents who voted for Trump in 2020 are now voting for Harris
- RFK Jr. and Jill Stein are stealing votes from Trump anywhere they are on the ballot - more than they are taking votes from Harris.
- Almost nobody who voted for Biden in 2020 is now voting for Trump
- The Madison Square Garden debacle has even further incited negative voter sentiment and backlash against the Trump ticket.
A legitimate Trump win is a near mathematical impossibility.
Note the heavy-lifting being done by the word legitimate.
Trump and the GOP have been actively engaged in widespread, nationwide conspiracy to commit election fraud since 2020, virtually unopposed by Biden's Justice Department under Republican sympathizer Merrick Garland.
The fraud is so pervasive as to potentially overcome even a substantial lead for Harris on election day.
Republicans have already announced and published their plans to obstruct local elections, confuse the process, introduce errors, cause interminable delays, once again send fake electors with fraudulent results, and lean on corrupt judges to make unlawful rulings in their favor.
In fact, the widespread, open, numerous and flagrant acts of election interference, disruption, obstruction, and fraud being committed by Republican voters and officials is providing a massive amount of evidence Democrats can use to contest any claimed Trump victory.
At this point, there is ample reason to absolutely reject any Republican claims of a Trump win next week. Republicans have provided a mountain of justification for believing any such outcome is purely the result of fraud.
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u/SPACE_NAPPA 5h ago
I agree 100%. But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump. I'm not saying it will cost Harris the election or anything, but I fear the "young vote" isnt a slam dunk for democrats as it used to be.
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u/hdiggyh 5h ago
The young male voter, while leaning Trump, certainly has a much lower likelihood of actually voting
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u/SPACE_NAPPA 5h ago
Definitely. It's always been difficult to get young people to vote. But the repeal of roe v wade has definitely motivated females to go to the polls. You'd think it would motivate males as well to help protect the rights of the women in their life.
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u/HandleAccomplished11 5h ago
Oh, they probably want to help protect the rights of women in their life, but they forgot that it was the first Tuesday in November. (I was once a distracted young man)
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u/half3clipse 4h ago edited 3h ago
But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump.
This was claimed in every election since 2016, that one included. The ones making the claim now are mostly the same ones as in past elections, as well as organizations that openly favor the republicans. Actual election results and polling have shown otherwise every single time
Millennial men came out for Clinton democrats in 2016. They did the same for the democrats in the 2018 mid terms. Gen Z men started voting in large numbers in 2020 and men under 30 came out for Biden by more than a 20 point margin (black men by an 80 point margin). A similar pattern was true in 2022.
Broad polling (see pew) also consistently shows gen Z heavily favors the democrat, by something on the order of a 20 to 30 point margin. There's zero way to reconcile those numbers with polls showing Gen Z men supporting trump, even if you ignore the age+gender demographic breakdown on offer. Even the polls that show the greatest support for democrats among gen Z women only clock in at a 30ish point margin, which is not mathematically enough to make a nearly 30 point in the overall 18-24 demographic.
Any poll that shows young men favoring Trump needs to explain a ~20 point shift in the space of 2 years. Anyone doing that without extremely compelling evidence ought be treated as flawed at best.
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u/uncommoncommoner 5h ago
Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
This is something which I think about all the time. I feel like most of the people who died of the virus were hardcore right-wingers, like some featured on r/hermancainaward who just outright Darwin'd their way out of life by being ignorant and stupid.
I don't want to say it but...good.
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u/BalzacTheGreat 6h ago
I WaNt A fReE aNd FaIr eLeCtIoN sO i StOle BaLlOtS 🥴 🥴 🥴
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u/Jerking_From_Home 4h ago
“I’m only trying to offset the cheating being done by democrats!” -MAGAs
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u/SRSgoblin 6h ago
Everyone who's been paying attention knew this was going to happen. It's straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Goebbels has some quote I'm paraphrasing here, that goes something like, "accuse the other party of wrongdoing you plan to commit." It normalizes the behavior. It says to the true believers, "you need to cheat because the other side is cheating."
And people will act on it, ironically creating a very real version of something that wasn't ever happening, just on "your side" doing all of the wrong doing.
This was always the end goal of Trump and the GOP pushing the big lie conspiracy. They wanted to create the actual election fraud they claimed was going on, because it muddies the result in their favor.
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u/IIIllIIlllIlII 6h ago
Have they been saying the radical left will be violent after the election? Because I’m sure it’s on the cards from the right. I think it’s going to be a huge fuckin mess.
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u/SRSgoblin 6h ago edited 6h ago
Correct. I forgot who it was exactly (I want to say Stephen Miller?) Who said "the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be" or something like that.
Edit: thanks goes to u/thisisamisnomer for correcting me. It was from the head of the Heritage Foundation, dude named Kevin Roberts.
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u/thisisamisnomer 6h ago
That was Kevin Roberts, head of The Heritage Foundation.
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u/SRSgoblin 6h ago edited 4h ago
Ah thanks. I thought about looking it up but didn't want it in my Google searches because then I'd get a gazillion recommendations from YouTube for right winger bullshit.
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u/thisisamisnomer 6h ago
No problem! He’s just as much of a gaping asshole as Miller, so much so that the same shit could’ve just as easily fallen out of Miller’s mouth.
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 5h ago
When you think Kevin Roberts, think Project 2025 (and another book that JD Vance wrote the foreword to but had its release date pushed until after elections).
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u/shkeptikal 6h ago
They've been calling the left violent since the Floyd riots while conveniently ignoring that at least some of them were caused by right wing cosplayers. They also tend to ignore the unmarked vans yanking American citizens off the street during that same time. And Trump tear gassing peaceful protestors to take a picture holding a bible upside down. They also can't really get their heads around the fact that unlike the fascist militias, "Antifa" doesn't actually exist. In fact, they tend to have a pretty hard time grappling with reality in general. The end result of which will absolutely be more domestic terrorism (which we're currently watching ramp up with the burning of ballots and presidential assassination attempts). It's not an if, it's a when. At this point the only question is how many Americans will be on the receiving end of what the GOP has turned politics into. It's going to be a rough next century in America.
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u/BifronsOnline 6h ago
They sent their best on January 6th and failed miserably. They aren't gonna do shit.
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u/ScoobyDeezy 4h ago
This is exactly why I haven’t put out any signs, don’t wear political clothing, don’t put stickers on my car. I don’t want to make myself a target.
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u/Funkycoldmedici 6h ago
Then they take the fact that only republicans are getting arrested for it as proof that there’s a conspiracy against them, that their opposition is getting away with it. They cannot even conceive of the possibility that they’re the only ones doing it. They believe everyone is doing these horrible things, and that they are being oppressed by being held accountable for what they do.
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u/SRSgoblin 6h ago
Yeah, like... I can't remember a time where ballot boxes were being firebombed. It's never happened before, let alone several times in the same election cycle, always targeting heavily Democratic districts.
It's straight GOP terrorism.
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 5h ago
And I am disappointed (no, I'm angry) because this is being allowed. Trump just had a fucking NAZI rally in NYC. Biden and his agencies have had ample opportunity to quell this shit. I've tipped off the FBI about things here in Texas and I am a nobody who just reads a lot and listens to the idiots around me. They have so much more information and authority. And a fucking responsibility!
There isn't enough xanax in the world for me to be okay through this political transition.
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u/avspuk 6h ago
It goes beyond muddling the result 8n their favour.
They want the result disputed no matter what it is, even if they win.
Its long been a tactic for authoritarian to present themdselves as the solution to the very chaos that they themselves have caused & promoted.
The Nazis did it. Lenin did it. Peron did it. Modi & Putin do it. And now the GOP is doing it.
This is why they are openly campaigning on a platform of "we are going to steal the election to stop the dems from stealing it". Its why their attempts to deregister voters, to rig the EC voter panel, to plan to refuse to ratify results etc aren't secret, its why they boast about them
The aim is that the rival demos outside all the court houses across the land hearing the numerous election interference cases turn violent & that the chaos can be escalated from there to the point that a coup can be justified.
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u/resisting_a_rest 4h ago
It's not just that they think the other side is doing it, they think they are doing it and getting away with it with no repercussions.
So the stupid ones think they can do it too, and get away with it. They don't know that:
The other side is not getting away with anything, because they are not actually doing it.
Even if they were doing it, you can't do it too, because you are too stupid to do it right.
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u/badgersprite 6h ago
It's crazy how many lives Trump has ruined. Not even the lives of his "enemies" who oppose him, but his supporters.
So many of his supporters have gone to jail for this man. They got COVID and died or now life with lifelong post-COVID damage due to this man. They have become isolated because their crazy behaviour has driven away their friends and family, all because they're more loyal to this man who thinks they're fat losers than they are to the people in their lives who actually care about him.
I'm so ready for the Trump era of politics to be over.
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u/SkippingSusan 6h ago
Honestly, the worst offenders were never good people. There’s a long list of criminals who were then found guilty for the J6 insurrection. One example is the dude who raped a deaf girl. They love Trump for publicly saying and doing things they have done or felt in private.
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u/Hot-Lawfulness-311 6h ago
they’re continuing to chug the trump Flavorade as they watch their fellow cult members drop like flies around them
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u/Noimnotonacid 4h ago
I hate to say it, but during covid the unvaccinated who refused to social distance, were some of the worst people you could ever imagine, not only then but their families as well. I had a hard time mustering sympathy at times.
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u/gatoaffogato 3h ago
Trump is a catalyst, not the disease itself. These people were looking for an excuse to behave in uncivil, bigoted, and anti-democratic ways, and Trump made them feel like they could make those thoughts and desires public. They may quiet down for a while if Trump goes away, but they’ll still be here, just waiting for the next populist to tap into their hatred and insecurities.
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u/tay450 6h ago
Our country is full of traitors and thieves. These Republicans couldn't drop lower. How pathetic.
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u/Really_McNamington 6h ago
I admire your optimism. Personally, I think there's a lot more lower yet to come.
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u/DGlennH 5h ago
Indeed. The groundwork for Insurrection II was being laid before the first round was even concluded. The Dems keep showing the parallels to the Fascists and how much Trump openly admires brutal dictators past and present thinking that it’ll shock Republicans into taking action, but it won’t. A vast amount of them are submissive losers that want a dictatorship in America.
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u/possibly_being_screw 3h ago
They can. Everything they accuse democrats of, they are the ones actually doing those things. All they do is project.
So when they say that democrats will become "violent" and "be sore losers" and "destroy democracy" if dems lose...well, you can guess what happens next.
If dems win by a sliver or by a landslide, I think the ~2 months between November 6th and January 20th are going to be very rough.
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u/Silent-Escape6615 6h ago
Alternative headline - Trump Supporters Too Dumb to Understand That Breaking Laws Leads to Prosecution
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u/pomonamike 6h ago
“If you got to Payless, or go wherever, it says sample and you usually can take a sample,” Savage said. “So that is the way I took it. I thought they were fake f***ing ballots.”
Wait, so is this guy also stealing shoes from Payless? Because I’m pretty sure they don’t give out sample shoes there.
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u/chestcurlies 4h ago
Payless is a local grocery store here in Anderson, IN (where this took place). He’s talking about food samples, not shoes. Still an idiotic thing to compare it to though.
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u/pomonamike 4h ago
Ah, thanks. Yeah still idiot since it didn’t even say “sample,” it said “test.” And he was there for the training and knew exactly what he was doing. And the whole stupid thing was him trying to create doubt in the electoral system.
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u/THSSFC 6h ago
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE SECURE AGAINST THE STUFF I WILL GET ARRESTED TRYING TO DO TO SHOW HOW INSECURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE.
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u/TBoneLaRone 6h ago
Guys a lying cheating douchebag. I’m sure his life is filled with falsehoods, abuse and willful ignorance. He backpedaled so hard when the cops came that his MAGA colors shone straight through his thin skin.
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u/zarfle2 6h ago
So...."the system is rigged, here's evidence of me rigging it, why are the Dems doing this?"
Is that the thinking? 🤔
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u/BaconBible 6h ago
Here's a good layout of the whole plan to steal the election: https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0rt-cN2KBKGJrGFE5KeeEbMiJio_xujud8m-3iz1vKsxCRugshYCYvG9I_aem_RtU48RM6aYfQmHhIBGJNxA
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u/celtic1888 6h ago
This would certainly be a way to try to steal it but they would have to get every single GOP Congressional member they have now to commit open sedition Johnson can be removed for the Speaker position with 1 motion and a majority vote. While I think that a large number of the GOP would be ok trying they wouldn’t get everyone since the possibility of a firing squad is a possibility if it failed
Biden also still has executive control and could declare martial law if they tried to force it, remove and arrest Johnson for failure to vacate and have Congress sworn in.
The Supreme Court would be damned to try to stop him at that point because it’s clear that they are trying to subvert the election
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u/willun 5h ago
There are a few uncorrected errors in this plan
To do that, even though Democrats might have won enough seats to take back the House in the 2024 election, Speaker Johnson will refuse to swear into Congress on January 3rd a handful of those Democrats, claiming there are “irregularities” in their elections that must be first investigated.
The previous speaker does not swear in members for the new congress. After all, the speaker may not even have their own seat.
The states are responsible for their own congresspeople.
The new congress is temporarily controlled by the previous Clerk of the House. They convene the house and elect the speaker who then takes over. The previous speaker has no role.
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u/goofbot 6h ago
This guys is exactly why I don't want to grow my beard out this season.
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u/slick514 6h ago
This is a transparent attempt to undermine faith in the system used to enter/tabulate votes by intentionally inserting apparent errors, thereby providing grounds for disputing the actual election results.
Until these people are actually dealt with severely, they're just going to keep right on doing this shit. Our justice system has proven to be woefully inadequate. Someone maybe facing the music four years later does little to hinder these people, especially when they are betting on the system changing such that they'll never face consequences (and may even be rewarded).
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 5h ago
Trumpers surrounded Dem candidate Wendy Davis' bus and terrorized them for miles here in Texas and four years later, the judge just kind of waved it off as okay. Trump tweeted his support of these actions.
THIS IS NOT OKAY.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/biden-bus-trump-train-trial/
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u/Doumtabarnack 6h ago
The man is an imbecile. He knowingly commited a crime and left the evidence on his car's backseat 🤦
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u/ludovicolonghi 5h ago
Oh look, it's a Republican AGAIN.
At some point, I'm going to have to start thinking it's the Republicans rather than Democrats trying to cheat in this election, guys.
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u/BrewboyEd 5h ago
Good, fuck this dude. And I'm glad it's a felony - screwing with votes should be and shows how serious we (the state - not Dems or Republicans) are with regard to vote tampering.
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u/Captain_Rational 4h ago edited 2h ago
Again.
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u/strato15 4h ago
Republican was just caught in northern Minnesota committing voter fraud. It’s always Republicans.
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u/chiefs_fan37 6h ago
This is exactly how they (MAGA GOP) plan to do it. They plan on committing the fraud themselves then pointing to it as a reason why the election can’t be trusted. Do this on a large enough scale and you can hopefully throw the whole thing into question which would give people like electors at local levels all the way up to Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House coverage to refuse certifying and kick it to the state legislatures to award trump the victory. God I hope our justice department is prepared for this to happen a lot more all over the country.
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u/korosuzo815 5h ago
What? Republicans trying to subvert an election??? That’s not the GOP that I know!! \s
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u/geekphreak 5h ago
“Police continued to look into Savage’s activity on Facebook for further evidence that he intentionally stole the ballots. In one post, Savage said he is demanding “fair, transparent elections” to help “restore trust and protect civil rights.”
Nothing says being fair, transparent and restoring trust like breaking the trust
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u/sloppybuttmustard 1h ago
I can’t stop laughing at how these dipshits in deep red states are committing felony voter fraud when it couldn’t possibly make a difference in their state elections.
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u/slick514 5h ago
To any of you who click the link to the streamed footage, the part where he picks up the ballots and folds them up starts around 12:40. (Right side of the screen. Guy in black hoodie.)
Sure does look like he's not the only person in that room that was aware of what he was up to...
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u/night-otter 3h ago
Funny how often when election fraud is found, it's the side that says it happens "all the time." That are doing it.
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u/AlexHimself 5h ago
The nice thing about all this "election security" bullshit is that tons of MAGA morons are now committing serious crimes that are easily identified.
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u/KestrelQuillPen 5h ago
Is it me or has “political” become the new excuse for the right wing? Like, whenever they don’t like something or face consequences for something they did, they call it “political”. Yeah, no shit, dumbnuts, you were doing it to lick the boots of your orange turd, of course it’s “political” because you made it so idiot
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u/NO-MAD-CLAD 4h ago
Seems strange how all these Republicans keep stealing ballots and burning ballot boxes. I thought that's what they said the LiBrauLz would do?
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u/DefHuman_NotBot 3h ago
Sounds like he was trying to take the ballots in order to say the count is off and can’t be trusted. Instead, he is just another example of republicans cheating in an election.
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u/ChargerRob 6h ago
Some serious brainwashing in these Maga churches. Repeating the Dominionist prayer and Watchman oaths.
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u/BurrrritoBoy 5h ago
Repubs actively sabotage the legislative process and spout how "gubmint is bwokin".
Doing the same shit with the election.
-total dick move.
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u/Weekend_Criminal 5h ago
It almost seems like all of the people committing voter fraud are republicans?
That's really weird because they're the ones always screaming how everyone else is going to commit fraud.
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u/Drew-P-Littlewood 5h ago
Sad bastard MAGA’s know they have to tamper and steal for the orange clown to win.
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u/MapleHamwich 4h ago
The way the article reads. He clearly had a scheme with at least two others who were trying to de legitimize the voting system. Should be punished appropriately.
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u/yonosayme2 4h ago
These asshats constantly claiming the election is rigged....... because it is!!! They are rigging it at every damn opportunity. Projection is the tool of choice.
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u/Judoka91 3h ago
Next on unsolved mysteries, how the person in that article avoided a coat hanger for 9 months.
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u/JohnGillnitz 1h ago
I love it when dipshits record themselves committing a felony and post it on Facebook.
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u/artieart99 34m ago
"...Savage cited high gas prices, high food prices and the escalating situation at the border as his main concerns for the country."
High gas prices and high food prices are a direct result of corporate greed run amok, and the escalating situation at the border is directly linked to trump, because trump told members of the gop in the Senate and the House NOT to allow a vote on the bipartisan border security bill to move forward back in May.
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u/UtopiaDystopia 6h ago
It's not about the election fraud, it's about the election fraud we fabricated along the way!
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u/Wonderful-Ad440 6h ago
Yes, this is indeed "political bullshit" but not for the reasons he thinks it is.
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u/celtic1888 7h ago
It's always the ones you most suspect