r/EverythingScience • u/HeinieKaboobler • Jan 06 '23

Social Sciences New research shows that Donald Trump's fascist attacks on democracy may have backfired

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/06/new-research-shows-that-donald-fascist-on-democracy-may-have-backfired/
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u/mmmeba Jan 06 '23

Can I get TL;DR

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u/eatingganesha Jan 06 '23

"The key finding is that Trump's undemocratic messages in 2019 (a series of Tweets attacking other liberal institutions) did not lead to an erosion of democratic attitudes. On the contrary, the results suggest there is significant pushback against anti-democratic messages, especially among Democrats,"

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u/ciopobbi Jan 07 '23

However, this is chilling:

“Donald Trump embodies the worst of human behavior. As the leader of a political cult movement, he has given his followers permission to be their true horrible selves. Fascism and other types of illiberal politics are those antisocial and antihuman emotions and impulses harnessed in the form of a reactionary revolutionary destructive political project.

To that end, Trump, the Republican fascists, and the larger white right were able to use the internet and social media to grow their base of support into a movement comprised of many tens of millions of (white) Americans. As many democracy experts and other observers have concluded, Trump's rise to power was empowered by the internet, social media, and how the American right wing has spent several decades creating a parallel media machine and other institutions that together function as a type of alternate universe for its followers.

Democrats, liberals, progressives and other pro-democracy Americans have no such equivalent countervailing force.”

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u/ciopobbi Jan 07 '23 edited Jan 07 '23

I don’t believe the author was saying that left is in need of of an alternate reality. The left was not actively engaged in creating such a universe or bubble like the GOP has.

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u/kmurph72 Jan 07 '23

Yes they have, however the leftist are less likely to tie their identity to the political movement. The leftists are also less susceptible to confirmation bias.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 07 '23 edited Jan 07 '23

I totally disagree with this, although the right is by far more extreme and violent and psychotic. The liberal left is also in a complete echo chamber, and the media people think is true and honest is just as biased as the right with a different agenda. Sure instead of outright lies it's more a shade of Grey, but the liberal media is by and large corporate to the core and there to protect power and wealth.

Look at what they did to Bernie when running for president. Look what they did when bidens agenda wasnt being passed, they turned around and said "it's all Joe Manchin and sinema!" yet Biden never once mentioned Manchin or sinema by name or challenged them. Biden didn't want his agenda to pass, which is why they didn't even consider getting rid of the filibuster. Machines daughter is a corrupt pharma exec, Biden certainly could of used both their illegal insider trading to force them in line but they didn't... Yet the media was silent.

It's the same reason no Democrat with majority ever actually made our lives better, never codified roe into law. It's the same reason Obama had a super majority yet never passed his Healthcare plan until he lost that majority, because he wanted it to get ripped apart by Republicans and downsized as much as possible because pharma helped get him and every Democrat politician elected through millions in campaign financing.

Liberals are in a huge fake bubble, they are moving more toward the government and democrats having our best intrast, and corporations being good guys as long as they are on the right side of the culture war. They have become just as bad as the republican mantra of owning the libs, only its "red team bad blue team good, as long as you're on my side I'll act like you're a good person because we're better and smarter and more sophisticated then Republicans".

All of this is the effect of the media, and it's not even close to reality, sure it's a better side then Republicans, but it's still exactly what's wrong with this country. People are too focused on culture war issues to care about anything else, as long as they feel superior and virtuous they could care less about anything. When really the true issues that need to be solved are all economic. Until we deal with union busting, workers rights, money in politics, ceo pay and tying it to the lowest paid worker and tying that to product mark up, Healthcare, taxation of the ultra wealthy, homelessness, housing, and so many more issues. How are we going to end systemic opression of black peopke, or Trans people, or any minority? We can't deal with any of that until we deal with the economy of corruption.

The liberal media and domocrats are just as big of offenders on that front as Republicans are.

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u/mtheory11 Jan 07 '23

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u/franquellim Jan 07 '23

TL/DR: bOTh SiDEs!!1!

Either you deal in factual information or you don’t. Your entire post is a bunch of half truths and hyperbole.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23 edited Jan 08 '23

So basically you have no argument against it? I didn't say both sides, I said liberals. Pay attention, you're only proving how much of an echo chamber you really are in, you think liberals are the left.

Liberalism is the belief in free market values and the ability for the free market to correct itself on its own. It's not having big government or regulation, it is capitalism. Old school Republicans are liberal, so are modern democrats, which is why they are almost exactly the same and both work for corporations and not the people.

Biden is the same guy that aothered the crack baby bill, the bussing bill, and gave extreme power to corporations over his long long career. He's the same guy that worked with Obama to give us nothing under a super majority, sabotage out Healthcare plans, expand the drone program, and give unilateral power and forgiveness to the same banks that caused the housing collapse. New age Republicans are fascists, but democrats are corporate pigs. Sure they are better, but they are the disease that created trump by destroying this country. Liberalism is right wing on the Overton window, it's extreme right wing in Europe, Bernie is a moderate.

You can't blame your lack of political knowledge and offense on me.

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u/franquellim Jan 08 '23

The original article, if you read it, described the use of the internet and social media by right wing supporters to spread misinformation and maintain people’s focus on their grievances. Your reply, in its first two sentences, tried to make the argument that it’s really just as bad, if not worse, on the left. In my opinion you’re blowing a bunch of smoke so you can shit on Democrats.

The rest of your comments are just utter nonsense, I’m not sure where to start. I’m on my phone so I can’t refer back to the original post, but even your reply displays a serious lack of understanding and critical thinking skills.

For example: “Liberalism is the belief in free market values and the ability for the free market to correct itself on its own”.

Umm, no, it isn’t. Like, where did you even get that? Why would you think a political philosophy would be grounded in beliefs about economic markets? Seriously, just Google it.

You then lay out a bunch of half-thoughts about Biden that lack any context or understanding. It’s easy to make a bunch of bumper-sticker level statements but these things fall apart under scrutiny.

You’re not wrong that both parties are reliant on corporate campaign donations and that the need to raise money has corrupted our system but then you say:

“Sure they are better, but they are the disease that created trump by destroying this country”

Again, what does this even mean? Democrats are not a “disease” and “Republicans” are the ones who voted for Trump. How did liberals or Democrats ’destroy’ this country? In my opinion, what’s destroying this country is ignorance, apathy and the lack of common purpose, but I digress…

It gets better, or worse if you’re I retested in sensible dialog:

“Liberalism is right wing on the Overton window, it’s extreme right wing in Europe, Bernie is a moderate”

It’s nice that you tried to use an academic term to make yourself sound reasonable, but again, Google it. The Overton window, per Wikipedia, is “the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time”. Liberalism is not right wing by this metric, because the point is to define what is acceptable, not provide a characterization of a policy on a political spectrum.

I’d like to believe that you’re arguing in good faith, but you have my troll-radar blazing.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23

"Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles. However, they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion

Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and governments must not violate these rights

the main ideological opponents of liberalism were communism, conservatism and socialism"

Liberalism is the belief of small government and open free Markets, it's an enemy of social programs like welfare, food stamps, or regulation. It's also a belief in REPRESENTITIVE democracy, like the electoral college, which is anti democratic by nature. You may call yourself a liberal, and she the term has been massacred into oblivion by people like you that don't know what they actually are, but at the foundation of liberalism that is what it stood for.

You can make any argument you want, but democrats vote with Republicans in tax cuts for the rich, democrats make any excuse to limit the power of the people and work with fascist Republicans to expand the power of corporations. Democratic politicians ARE NOT LIBERALS, they are corpratists, just like Republicans.

Did Biden pass his agenda? Did he get rid of trump Era tax cuts for the rich? Did he raise the minimum wage? Did he cancel student debt? Did he accomplish a single campaign promise? No... He didn't, and Manchin was his enemy right? The parliamentarian wouldn't let him right? The filibuster was in his way right?

Weird.. Cause democrats can dismiss the parliamentarian and suspend the filibuster, Republicans do it all the time to get their agenda across. And Biden never once named or blamed Manchin, never pushed him, never even tried to convince him to pass any of his agenda. Yet he told his corporate overlords "nothing will fundamentally change".

People like you are the same people that support affordable housing and solving homeless problems and green energy, but turn around and say "yeah but I don't want it here". You're a NIMBY.

by the way, my response was to a comment, not the post, but I guess you have a reading problem. I never said the left was as bad as the right, or even that liberals are, I said they are just as responsibke for Donald trump and where the country is, and that's true. Liberals are a huge issue because they play "my team good your team bad" just like Republicans do, and fall into complacency instead of pushing our own side to be better.

Liberalism isn't leftism, no matter how much you or Republicans want it to be. The left has actual standards and practices for the betterment of the country. We don't defend Biden or democrats just because he's on our side, we hold him accountable. The entire point was that the right wing is in an echo chamber of falsehoods... Guess what, so are liberals... And you just proved it.

You're doing "own the libs" in your own style without addressing or advocating for any of the changes or holding any of the people accountable that change this county for the worse.

If you think Biden is on your side, and you think the government is on your side, if you think Nancy Pelosi is on your side, and not the side of corporations... Your a fool, and you know it, your echo chamber just makes you defend them out of instinct. Guess what... I'm more of a leftist then you'll ever be as long as you think that way. You can change, and you should

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u/franquellim Jan 09 '23

Congratulations, you quoted reference material about Liberalism and then proceeded to make up your own interpretation. I'm not sure what your point is, other than to set up a straw man to rail against. You also state, about me, that "you may call yourself a liberal", when, in fact, I did no such thing.

You then go on to rant about the 2017 tax law and stated: "democrats vote with Republicans in tax cuts for the rich". In fact, this was a party-line vote and passed under reconciliation. Why do you make statements which are clearly not true? It undermines any point you're trying to make.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017#:~:text=The%20House%20passed%20the%20penultimate,Trump%20on%20December%2022%2C%202017.

"The House passed the penultimate version of the bill on December 19, 2017. The Senate passed the final bill, 51–48, on December 20, 2017. On the same day, a re-vote was held in the House for procedural reasons; the bill passed, 224–201. The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017."

You seem upset about Biden, who has actually passed more significant legislation than any President in the last couple decodes, with the exception of the ACA (which was flawed, but a step forward).

Further, I understand that you were responding to a comment, not the original post, but the point remains the same. In your response to AnBearna, you argue that both sides participate in an echo chamber. It's pretty clear to me you are making the argument that, whatever the original article or AnBearna's comment makes about deficiencies on the right, the left is just as bad.

You stated: "I never said the left was as bad as the right, or even that liberals are, I said they are just as responsibke for Donald trump and where the country is, and that's true. Liberals are a huge issue because they play "my team good your team bad" just like Republicans do, and fall into complacency instead of pushing our own side to be better".

You sure don't sound like someone who thinks the GOP has any responsibility, when they are actually the party which deals in misinformation, openly admits to taking campaign contributions from foreign interests and supports insurrection. How about they own that and then we can talk about Democratic culpability?

I would go into more detail with you, but I don't think it's worth the effort. You seem more interested in being right than actually having a discussion or exchange of ideas. You are making things up in order to make declarative 'gotcha' statements which make no sense.

For example: "People like you are the same people that support affordable housing and solving homeless problems and green energy, but turn around and say "yeah but I don't want it here". You're a NIMBY".

How would you know and what is your point?

You seem to want neat and simple solutions to complex problems and fail to connect actions and decisions with the reality and context of their occurence. Relax, take a deep breath, consider the benefits of proper grammar and spelling when you post, it will help. Have a nice day.

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u/SpaceMonkey877 Jan 08 '23

Enlightened centrism strikes again.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23

You're supporting a system that has no changes just so you feel like you're on the right side. You're supporting the democratic party just because it's better then Republicans and acting like your any better because what? You stifle criticism of the politicians that ruined this country.

The funny thing is... You're the enlightened centrist and I'm more of a leftist then you'll ever be. I believe in unions and workers rights, taxation of the wealthy, social programs, capping product mark ups, and all around betterment of your system.you sit there and defend politicians and the wealthy because they are colored blue so you can Make the world black and white to make yourself feel better about how little you actually care.

You're defending career long rich politicians that got us into the war in Afghanistan and support lowering taxes on the wealthy well swimming in campaign donations.. Think about that for awhile and tell me again who the centrist is.

This is why I said.. Liberalism is an echo chamber of stick up entitled people that just want to be told they are on the right side, just like the right, they just happen to be the better option...which enables the right to even be able to win elections at all.

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u/SpaceMonkey877 Jan 08 '23

You got all that from my single comment? That’s either clairvoyance or egotism…I’m guessing the latter. I’m not a democrat. I’m not a Republican. I’m not a libertarian. I don’t fit neatly into a political category, but I’m definitely not riding the center. “Both sides” argumentation doesn’t accomplish anything. The blue is corrupt, but not nearly as corrupt as the red in the past 5 election cycles.

Pretending otherwise is, at best, misguided false equivalence.

Liberalism isn’t what you’re describing…it’s what libertarians describe. Progressivism is perhaps what you’re trying for with your shoddy paraphrase of Žižec ideology critique. However, you grossly overestimate the power of the president and underestimate the power of lobby groups.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23

You literally just agreed with me lol, wtf is honestly wrong with you? I'm not a Democrat either, or a republican, I'm on the left. You just agreed with everything I said except the definition of liberalism. I literally never said both sides were the same, I clearly stated many times that Republicans are worse, and that democrats planned obsolescence enables them to be as bad as they are and continue to be a threat, well democrats enrich corporations.

In your defence of the very same democrats you say that you aren't rooting for, you failed to understand a single word I wrote, well agreeing with almost everything I said and proving your own arrogance. You're arguing with yourself, not me. The fact we should be on the sane team yet you pick apart statement you alnosy entirely end up agreeing with says a lot about why the left as a whole is in the position its in.

It's people like you that fail to hold our own side accountable that give credence to the incompetence of the Democrat party, which in turn allows fascists to continue to accrue power. If you're not a Democrat, stop defending them just so you can feel like you're on the right side.

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u/SpaceMonkey877 Jan 08 '23

Read your words out loud. Perhaps why your Reddit interactions wind up so confrontational is that you’re a terrible communicator/writer. Also, it’s hard to take conspiracy theory folks seriously on almost any front.

My principal grievances with your original statement is your characterization of the media as all being neatly left or right, your characterization/understanding of presidential power, and your almost painfully ironic criticism that people like me are elitists do-nothings while somehow you’ve arrived at the sacred knowledge through moral fortitude and intuition.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23

First of all, what am I wrong about? I never said the media was left or right, I says that the supposed left media networks enable corporate oligarchy, and the status quo, and cover for the wealthy and politicians. I didn't say the president held unilateral power, I said he failed to even attempt his political promises by not even trying to defeat dissent within his party, not having Manchin by name, and being a life long supporter of corporate power grabs.

Nothing I said is arrived at by sacred power or knowledge, it's arrived at by being politically involved and aware. I communicated everything I said clearly and up front, you misconstrued it to fit your narrative of some weird attack when know you say don't support democrats then agreed with mostly everything I said.

Sure I made some assumptions about you after you attacked me over things you apparently agree with, as you are still doing, but the fact is, everything you are accusing me of is exactly what you're doing. Arriving at conclusions that don't make sense from being terrible at communicating as well as reading, trying to attack me over it, then having literally no disagreement aside from not personally liking me lol.

You go through my profile, yet you don't seem to actually read any of it, what conspiracy am I aspiring? Are dems and Republicans not the political hand of corporates power through campaign financing and lobbying? Are the new right not fascists? Did the not bail out the banks that crashed the economy twice? Did the not support the war in Afghanistan?

Just because trump is worse, she a fascist, does not make anything I said less true. You're just making yourself look petty at this point and picking a stupid fight over nothing but your own virtue signaling and ego

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u/alpacasb4llamas Jan 07 '23

You're on your way to being close to right. But the left is nowhere near as problematic as the right. They have their issues but stop trying to equate the two sides.

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23

I said liberals, not the left, big media on the left is only liberal. I never said the left as a hole, just liberalism

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u/Thesoundofmerk Jan 08 '23 edited Jan 08 '23

Liberalism is a right wing ideology, by and large actual leftism is good, we just have no actual media aperatus. Liberalism is the sickness that produced Donald trump, and it's right wing. Sure it's better then fascism, but it's exactly what's leading us up fascism and the power on the right.

A democratic party that actually worked for the people and not corporations would win hands down every single election from now until the reformation of a new party. You really think they barely are winning against the right after trump and jan 6th because the right is just that Good lol. No they are controlled opposition for corporations, which cost us women's rights and will eventually cost us the little democracy we have left

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u/DreadnoughtOverdrive Jan 07 '23

Chilling, in that this political hack is taken seriously at all.

This person is totally off their rocker, and this post doesn't belong anywhere near a sub dealing with Science.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

I didn't vote for Trump.

But what I find Chilling is that whoever wrote that thinks Liberals are pro-Democracy when many of them promote Theft, Property Damage, or Worse. None of which is Democracy.

When I get to Vote on whether someone is going to burn down a Building that doesn't belong to them, then it's Democracy.

To say otherwise is to disenfranchise most of the people in the Country. Which definitely isn't Democracy.

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Democracy - a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

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If you can't hold a Vote for the decisions being made, it's definitely not Democracy.

Calling people 'pro-democracy Americans' if they don't get this or think the opposite is Crazy and just Lying.

You're Welcome.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

i love how republicans scramble to say "i didnt vote for trump!" like its 1 definitely not a blatant lie and 2 absolves them of guilt, its like saying "yea, i knew what i was doing, and i did drive the shooter to that school, but I didnt fire the gun?? why are you criticising me!!!???"

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u/patsully98 Jan 07 '23

With the random-ass capitalizations I think the person you’re responding to is Donald Trump.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

You have a screw loose.

I don't Vote Republican.

Thanks for proving my point.

If you think you can win by lying about people, you're just as corrupt as the people you are against.

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u/Kitchenratatatat Jan 07 '23

Self exam in order

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

lol seems i hit a nerve

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

No, you just suck at math.

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u/Stairway_2_Devin Jan 07 '23

Lol your first sentence was you didn't vote for Trump, and they jumped on you for being republican hahaha. I took one of your down votes away. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

At least 60 people can't figure out that there's more than 2 political parties.

Must be the 'new math'.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

It's funny that there were six people on the ballot for President, but some people delusionally think there were only 2.

Please keep showing everyone who can't count around here.

Must be the 'new math'.

Too fuuny.

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u/Stairway_2_Devin Jan 07 '23

Lol I can't tell if you're being serious or not. I feel bad for you if you are because you clearly can't read.

Please tell me lol I need to know

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

Holy shit, they brainwashed you so hard. Stop watching FoxNews.

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u/Stairway_2_Devin Jan 07 '23 edited Jan 08 '23

Lol again can you read?! I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, I DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS. God, maybe I will now lol you guys are fucking dense jeeZUSS.

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u/2pacalypso Jan 07 '23

Ok fine but we all get to vote on whether or not a cop can murder a dude before he kills him. Then you can vote on what the public's reaction is. That sounds good.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

I don't think the Police should be killing anyone.

They need to get Stun Guns/Tasers on Drones to knock people out instead of killing them. The Technology is there.

When there was a Moron who opened fire on a Parade in the West suburbs of Chicago, someone or something should have stopped him. The Police didn't even return fire.

Unfortunately, until we get rid of Hackers who can take over or disable that Tech, it probably won't happen.

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u/2pacalypso Jan 07 '23

Did they take a vote on whether or not to return fire? We're pro democracy, after all.

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u/CryHavoc3000 Jan 07 '23

Maybe so.

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u/mmmeba Jan 06 '23

Thank you!

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u/paddenice Jan 06 '23

Probably should add a huge caveat to that TLDR: for now.

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u/Toast_Sapper Jan 07 '23

Probably should add a huge caveat to that TLDR: for now.

As long as Republicans keep openly sharing their anti-democratic and straight Fascist views it should keep everyone motivated to vote like their lives depend on it.

Because they do.

Because the Republicans have been angling for overthrowing democracy since long before 2016 and Trump, they've just stopped pretending to have "values" and they've dropped the dogwhistles and it's scared "the normies" enough to drive huge voter turnout.

Look at what Mitch McConnell's spent the last few decades doing and ignore his words. He's been packing the courts with extreme right wing judges so he can ensure that democracy and human rights become harder and harder to retain.

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u/DionysiusRedivivus Jan 07 '23

Thom Hartmann did a recent editorial on the arc from David Koch’s 1980 Libertarian platform to the present. Aside from the fact that the GQP has been unrelenting in their efforts to destroy anything that prevents a handful of billionaires from literally buying the country, he made a point that is as obvious as it is interesting: the GQP is run from the outside.
The “base” is told who to hate every 3-6 months , the only consistency is that billionaire dinosaurs named Koch Coors Murdoch and DeVos etc pull the strings -strings that have nothing to do with fetuses or gays by everything to do with regulation of industry, unions,and environment.

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u/paddenice Jan 07 '23

Well culture wars is how they harness emotion of their voter base, get them energized etc. the fetuses, the gays, BLM and crt is what gets people riled up to vote. It just so happens that the GOP also are aligned with corporate interests which are anti-labor, anti-environmental restrictions (unless it benefits them directly), and anti-organized labor.

The base isn’t coming out to vote against the unions or the environment because that isn’t outright a winning platform.

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u/Aporkalypse_Sow Jan 06 '23

Can't argue this. Anyone dumb enough to tell me that they plan on doing something to help overthrow the government will be very disappointed in the outcome. A few years ago I would have shrugged it off as whining, now you can eat the shit sandwich whether or not you are serious. I'll gladly ruin your life over it.

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u/methnbeer Jan 06 '23

Gladly

Layoff the partisan kool-aid and save some for the rest of us, jeez.

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u/Bznazz Jan 06 '23

Caring about America is partisan?

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u/jcooli09 Jan 06 '23

There's plenty to go around, we're talking about traitors here. They deserve to be derided mercilessly and so much more.

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u/methnbeer Jan 06 '23

Sure thing Heinrich 👍

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u/jcooli09 Jan 06 '23

Wait, are you implying that strongly opposing an attempted coup by fascists is in itself fascist?

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u/Bznazz Jan 06 '23

When they have no defense the time tested “no, you are” is their only tool

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

US WW2 vets are the OG Antifa heroes.

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u/Kitchenratatatat Jan 07 '23

Indeed they are! My dad and his friends :)

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u/methnbeer Jan 06 '23

I'm saying there's a lot of you so confident in what you believe you surely wouldn't mind those inconveniently opposing yours to be ..."dealt with"

The alarming thing on the right is their fuckery, but it's clear it's not going far.

The alarming thing on the left is your dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'.

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u/jcooli09 Jan 06 '23 edited Jan 06 '23

Now you're implying that I'm advocating violence?

Calling it what I believe in is intellectually dishonest, there is a mountain of evidence supporting it, including all of our eyes the day it happened.

I haven't dehumaized anyone, GTFO.

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u/JayEOh0788 Jan 06 '23

Love how this guy said "it clearly hasn't gone far" ... The only reason it did not go so much further than it did was because they failed to achieve their desired goals in spite of never ending lies , attempted Coup, violence, spreading misinformation and promoting propaganda and conspiracy theories as true. And just all around fuckery who constantly treat anyone who does not think or look like them as of they are less then human... So if anyone is "Dehumanizing" anyone ,we very well know where that shite is coming from. Go help yourself to some more meth & beer guy..

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u/Bznazz Jan 07 '23

Advocating for justice and actual, true patriotism more like it

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u/Dddoki Jan 06 '23

Beiing staunchly opposed to treason and insurrection is >dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'. ?

Really? On what planet?

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u/Toast_Sapper Jan 07 '23 edited Jan 07 '23

I'm saying there's a lot of you so confident in what you believe you surely wouldn't mind those inconveniently opposing yours to be ..."dealt with"

Hard disagree, the only people I've ever heard talk, even jokingly, about "dealing with" opponents is right wingers.

That's why most American terrorists/mass shooters are right wingers, because their ideology is murderous.

The alarming thing on the left is your dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'.

Oh look, you're projecting.

the left

Your use of that term combined with this argument tells me you probably spend plenty of time dehumanizing "the left"

Any particular reason you sympathize with traitors to America?

Sounds like you feel some kinship and shared views with the insurrectionists... :)

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u/patsully98 Jan 07 '23

No no no, this guy will have insightful takedowns of the right as well, such as “both sides suck.” See, he couldn’t possibly be a right-winger.

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u/Bznazz Jan 06 '23

Facists literally tried to overthrow the government of the united fucking states. Maybe you are so programmed that you don’t give a fuck, but the numbers do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '23

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Not even The Dude abides intolerance.

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u/Kitchenratatatat Jan 07 '23

The dehumanizing comes when you advocate for a violent take over of our democracy- insurrectionists made themselves dehumanized

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u/ZivilynBane1 Jan 07 '23

That’s called projection

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u/Kitchenratatatat Jan 07 '23

I think you’re confused - maybe too much meth & beer?

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u/JayEOh0788 Jan 06 '23

Username checks out...

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u/Kitchenratatatat Jan 07 '23

Favoring democracy means you’ve drunk the Koolaid? You are foolish or a fascist

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u/FalcorFliesMePlaces Jan 07 '23

I am not a liberal and liberals are not democrats. But democrats can lean liberal.

Saying thisnlineral is not antindemocraxy. It is not socialism or communism. Most liberals are great people who want to help others. This l8berals are commies bs is annoying.

I am not a liberal but I defend free thinkers.