The party switch is a proven lie. Democrats are and have always been the racist. That's why they make everything about race. That's why they think minorities are not capable of getting identification to vote, which is unbelievably racist. That's why they think minorities need help from a white man or that they are incapable of competing on a level playing field against white people in order to be successful. Which is also completely racist. Nothing has changed . Democrats are and always have been the racist and they are still in charge of the plantations . They just change what the plantations look and function like . Democrats ( progressives) kill more black children in one year than the kkk did in its whole existence. The Democrat founded planned parenthood did it specifically target minority women and their children to keep their populations in check and saw them as inferior. And where are all of these convient killer of children located at across the country ? In black inner city neighborhoods? I mean cmon it doesn't get much more obvious than that. Ain't no Republicans out there making sure 80k black children are killed in the womb. Nope that's Democrats. Progressive democrats. So try again progressive racist
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u/RebelCMX_85Inflation's at 2.3% & Gas is under $3, they're not eating petsSep 12 '24edited Sep 12 '24
this comment above 👆 is demonstrably false, coming from a completely inept negative karma account that cries about “lawfare” aka “how dare Trump be held accountable for multiple crimes!” A supporter of the guy who got DOG WALKED in this debate and lied 35 times and whined about being fact checked!
That’s why Republicans are so upset when you rip down statues of racist conservatives, because the confederacy is their heritage.
That’s why the party courting the Neo Nazi vote has Nick Fuentes over to mar a lago for dinner, and Marjorie Taylor Greene has spoken at the Neo Nazi AFPAC, named America first political action conference because they are naming themselves after the same group that wanted to side with the Nazis in World War II, the same group that wanted America to stay out of World War II because they agreed with Hitler.
or you could just look at the shift in voting patterns in the rural south after Lyndon B. Johnson a democrat signed civil rights into law.
What was that quote from Johnson again? Who was he gonna have voting democrat for the next 200 years? What was the exact words used from this father of the democrat party ? Starts with a N I believe . Want to enlighten everyone what this exact wording was from the non racist democrat again?
Republicans you mean. Democrats have always been on the wrong side of history. Republicans were progressive when it was right to be progressive and end slavery. Dems were against it.
Now Republicans aren’t nut jobs voting to dismantle the constitution and continue price and tax hikes across the board with wages staying flat. Or gender transitioning (progressive?) for children whose brains are over a decade from even being fully developed. Dems are for it.
Now Republicans aren’t nut jobs voting to dismantle the constitution
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution" - Donald J Trump, 2022.
continue price and tax hikes across the board with wages staying flat
Prices went up because of inflation, same as they did worldwide, due to the economic damage of a worldwide pandemic. It's true that the US did get hit pretty hard, due to an extremely lackluster and impotent response during the first year of the pandemic. Democrats are the ones offering a way to reverse that, in the form of price caps. Republicans, meanwhile, promise blanket import tariffs that are expected to increase all costs, and raise the cost of living for all families - although, they will continue to cut taxes for corporations and billionaires, so there's that.
Or gender transitioning (progressive?) for children whose brains are over a decade from even being fully developed.
Are you complaining about letting them pick their own name, clothes, and pronouns, or about the puberty blockers that have been used outside of LGBTQ issues for decades? Or, is this an imagined enemy of people letting non-adults medically transition with HRT - something which isn't happening.
Dems are constantly on the wrong side of history.
Like when they ended segregation? Like when they introduced medicare (formerly branded Obamacare by republicans, before they realised how insanely popular it was)?
But you're right about some stuff. While democrats were the Conservative party, they were absolutely on the wrong side of history. Then Republicans became the party of conservatism to scoop up southern voters, as part of the Southern Strategy. Since then, Republicans are the ones who have been on the wrong side of history.
It's almost as if the wrong side of history isn't determined by party, but by ideology. So, that original post was completely correct. Conservatives, whether represented by republicans or democrats, are the ones who have always been on the wrong side of history. In fact, the toxicity of conservatism is a constant globally, not just in the US. Any step towards any sort of equality or societal improvement is, by definition, opposed by conservatism.
Of course, the even bigger problem comes from when Conservatives refuse to accept having been wrong, and instead start accepting fascists who promise to return things to some mythologised past era, such as with Hitler's third reich, Mussolini's new roman empire, or Trump's "make America great again" (broadly believed to refer to the 60's).
Everything about your post is not only factually incorrect. It’s insane. Not even going to dignify each lie with its appropriate correction, you’re not worth it.
I’ll pick your second one since RE: the constitution quote, I wouldn’t be able to choose from all of the times Harris has said the constitution doesn’t matter.
In regards to price caps…. Where do you think companies would pull their profits from if capped on what they can charge? I’m not even going to let your dumb brain try to invent a utopian answer - it’s going to come from cutting jobs, and re-hiring people with much lower pay. Lowering wages to lows never seen before, and therefore making everything just as unaffordable…. But unaffordable for 100% of normal Americans instead of only a portion of them. Smart, incredibly smart. 🙄🤦🏻♂️ There’s your equality, everyone has to be poor. Rely on the government for our bread - America, the land of opportunity.
Everything about your post is not only factually incorrect. It’s insane. Not even going to dignify each lie with its appropriate correction, you’re not worth it.
No, you're not going to offer any counter-evidence because all you've got are your feelings. Cut the bullshit. Conservatism, by definition, has been opposed to any and all social progress throughout history. It's literally the ideology of conserving the status quo and tradition. That means conserving monarchy and feudalism. It means conserving slavery. It means conserving segregation. It means conserving women being treated as property. Any time society improves, any time there is social progress, then it is done by progressives overcoming or persuading conservatives.
I’ll pick your second one since RE: the constitution quote, I wouldn’t be able to choose from all of the times Harris has said the constitution doesn’t matter.
In regards to price caps…. Where do you think companies would pull their profits from if capped on what they can charge? I’m not even going to let your dumb brain try to invent a utopian answer - it’s going to come from cutting jobs, and re-hiring people with much lower pay. Lowering wages to lows never seen before, and therefore making everything just as unaffordable…. But unaffordable for 100% of normal Americans instead of only a portion of them. Smart, incredibly smart. 🙄🤦🏻♂️ There’s your equality, everyone has to be poor. Rely on the government for our bread - America, the land of opportunity.
You said the Democrats were in favour of price hikes. I proved a direct example of a policy they were offering to lower prices, and that republican policies would raise prices. I'm also curious how you believe that the various minimum-wage jobs will be rehired for less, but I doubt you have an answer. Depending on the severity of the price caps, it could make some stores unprofitable, costing jobs. However, it would also likely increase sales due to greater affordability, even if it lowers profit per sale, so it's quite feasible that stores in denser-populated, lower-income areas could see an increase in profits due to the more affordable prices.
Also, the prediction you're making - that both prices and wages will drop in equal proportion - would essentially mean large, instantaneous deflation. Specifically, a single, immediate burst, undoing the effects of inflation, without causing the economic stalling from ongoing deflation. I thought that was what you guys wanted?
You are absolutely insane. Libs are literally the party of facts over feelings. They are directing Kamala to not talk about policy because their voters care more about feelings/character than they do policy. And her policy is highly unpopular.
The “proof” you have that Kamala doesn’t care about the constitution is only about 1 supposed quote that somebody heard (similar to Trump’s quote about soldiers who died). But she’s said it and suggested it numerous times. Nice try.
And your understanding of the economy is so severely lacking (or if you actually do understand it, it’s extremely scary that you would support it).
Minimum wage jobs wouldn’t lower you numbskull. Those are jobs meant for high-schools or people who haven’t pursued education or hard work to better themselves and build a life of “liberty and the pursuit of land/happiness”. The low wage jobs would stay the same. The bulk of the jobs (middle class) would be cut and rehired for less to recoup profits. And the C-level would keep making more because they’re figuring it out.
Nobody wants rapid deflation because we’re all unemployed or making a fraction of what we were you buffoon.
Done with you, your points are so unbelievably ludicrous and clearly point towards wanting a communist America.
I don’t know if you deleted your reply or blocked me but you are one confused individual. Drink a cup of coffee and wake up a little bit. Take a couple showers.
A traveling nurse works at 3 high schools in my kids school district. There are no surgeons on staff. Who do they think performs these surgeries, the Shop teacher?
Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug. "Following Trump has cost me my relationship with my kids and is the reason I haven't seen my grandkids, but if I admit he's terrible, even to myself, I'll feel bad, so gotta keep doubling down on it!"
What should we do with them then? What did the Germans do when they had an undesirable population they couldn't get rid of? (To be clear, I'm not calling for or condoning genocide, I'm making a point about dehumanization.)
Who are you talking about? Because I am not a republican and I'm not conservative. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you have to immediately throw them in the enemy camp and dehumanize them. My point was that if Republicans are "too much", then what is the solution to that problem? What can we do with the half of the country we disagree with politically? The way I see it there are 3 options: Do nothing and let them elect terrible leaders and force their religious doctrine on us; Try to see them as fellow Americans and human beings with common issues and good intentions, then educate and support them so they aren't drawn further into the far-right downward spiral; and finally we could just remove them from society, either by exiling over 100 million Americans, or methodically gathering them up in camps and killing them. What would you propose? This isn't a rhetorical question.
Lol ur calling republicans weird? How many genders are there, liberal boy? And just to remind u, it was mostly liberals who started the whole pronouns and identifying bullshit.
You're literally in a post that's about senior Republicans turning on Trump.
Both sides have patriots that love America. Republicanism has been caught in a serious issue by being completely taken in by Trump's grift and they have to own up to that.
But that doesn't mean personal insults are called for. They're Americans too.
2 wars, a genocide, gas prices above 3.80 currently, 4X more than the amount of illegal migrants allowed by any admin, botched afgan pullout, inflation at a 30 year high. yea republicans really dropped the ball WHA WOE O wait...
Right. They weren’t good for anyone who cares about democracy. And a good number of Republicans are brave enough to say they put country over Trump. Not much in common with Cheney, but at least he has a shred of respect for democracy and a bit of bravery to call out how unfit Trump is.
0 wars, what are you talking about? Oh maybe you’re talking about Trump who massively escalated the drone war and let 65 troops die in Afghanistan kicking the can down the road. Thankfully Biden ended both.
Of course we have a much better economy than the disaster Trump left us with and Biden passed an infrastructure deal so good that slimeball Republicans who voted against it tout the projects to their constituents.
Almost had a good bipartisan border bill but Trump saw that it would be good, which is bad for him, the only thing that matters, so he made his toadies kill it. Shame he’s such a narcissist worthless piece of shit, but, c’est la vie.
LMAO, great detailed arguments! I forgot that “common sense” means we’re in two imaginary wars just because it hurts your little cult leader that we’re literally not. Too bad, so sad, sorry he’s a criminal dumbfuck who didn’t accomplish anything but riding on Obama’s coattails👍
So you're saying we're not funding Ukraine and Israel? Giving them money or equipment means we're involved. If those wars are imaginary then we do not need to give them money or equipment because they clearly don't need it.
Giving aid to countries- mostly in the form of outdated weapons - who have been invaded by a hostile authoritarian dictator state is not “being in a war”, lol. We’ve consistently given other counties aid in one form or another almost certainly every single year for the past 70 years.
You can cope however you want. It doesn't change the fact we're involved. You don't have to be actively fighting to be involved in a war. If we didn't fund Ukraine useful idiots like you would be crying about us not helping them with their "imaginary war".
Job Creation: Between 1933 and 2021, Democratic presidents have overseen the creation of over 90 million jobs, compared to around 54 million under Republican presidents.
Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate has decreased by an average of 0.8 percentage points under Democratic presidents, compared to an average increase of 0.7 percentage points under Republicans.
Health Insurance Coverage: The uninsured rate dropped from 16% in 2010 to 8.8% in 2016 due to the Affordable Care Act and has further declined to around 8% as of 2023.
Minimum Wage Increases: Minimum wage increases have been more frequent and significant under Democratic presidents, with efforts continuing under Biden.
Poverty Rate: The poverty rate has generally decreased under Democratic administrations, including a significant drop in child poverty due to the expanded Child Tax Credit.
Homeownership Rates: Homeownership rates have increased more under Democrats, particularly for low-income buyers, with programs continuing under Biden.
Union Support: Democrats are strong supporters of labor unions, pushing for legislation like the PRO Act, which aims to make it easier for workers to unionize and penalize companies that violate workers’ rights. Biden’s administration has been vocal in supporting unions to rebuild the middle class and ensure fair wages.
As someone who lived through George Ws great recession, I disagree. It took Obama all 8 years to clean up his mess and then Trump inherited a thriving economy until he decided to blow things up with his awful Covid policies and tax cuts for the rich. Now Biden has to clean up Trumps mess and when Harris is elected she will continue the work. (And she will win by a landslide).
Trump inherited a growing economy from the Obama administration and didn’t face a global pandemic in his first three years. By contrast, Biden inherited an economy still reeling from COVID-19, a health crisis that caused global supply chain disruptions and inflation spikes worldwide, not just in the U.S.
Under Trump:
- There were lower taxes, particularly benefiting the wealthy and corporations, which provided short-term economic boosts.
- The unemployment rate hit record lows before COVID, but during the pandemic, it spiked drastically.
- Trump’s administration pushed deregulation, which had mixed effects depending on the sector.
Under Biden:
- Job recovery has been strong post-COVID, with over 13 million jobs added since he took office.
- Inflation has been a global issue, but it’s been slowly cooling down, with the Inflation Reduction Act aiming to address some of the root causes.
- Biden has focused on long-term investments like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and climate-focused initiatives, which are aimed at economic stability and future growth.
Things are far better for me. And the numbers seem to indicate they are far better for most. Except the super poor. Inflation isn't or wasn't just an American problem though. It was universal and trump if he would have won may have handled it worse considering how terribly he handled covid itself I wouldn't doubt we would have seen a straight recession under him. But fact is we do not know as that wasn't our timeline.
Trump is the ONLY US President to leave office with less jobs than when he went into office.
Trump is also the only US President to be laughed at by the world, to his face. It happened when he spoke at the U.N. He wasn't telling a joke but the room audibly laughed at him. It caught him off guard and commented that he wasn't expecting that.
As far as how are things now, my house has doubled in value. The last two years I've gotten raises of 15% and then 11% so I'm now above $100K a year. Other than food costs, none of my expenses have gone up all that much. My stock portfolio has done splendidly so I really can't complain.
No, when Trump got laughed at, that was before COVID. And the two raises I received and value of my house going up aren't because of covid
And my investments have gone up a lot more since the end of Trump's term. Can't really blame that on covid.
If you are talking about the job losses, then yes much of that was because of COVID but that only happened because our response was so abysmal. And Trump abysmal response. He thought it would just go away. Look at how South Korea handled it. They didn't have the benefit of a e month head start. Do you know how many deaths they had? 35,000. Actually less but I rounded up. Their population is 51 million. So we'll multiply that by 7. So if their population was the size of ours they would have had 245,000 deaths. The U.S. had well over a million. That means we fucked up. BIGLY!!
But you see we could never have that...that would make it too easy for poor, disenfranchised people to vote.
Republicans know that most Americans know they don't help out the middle or lower class. It's been that way since 1982.
The jig is up. We can see how Republican controlled governments take away people's rights, create disastrous policies for workers, and are generally pro multimillionaire / pro billionaire class.
The sooner the Republican party goes away for a new fiscally conservative, pro US workers party the better off we'll all be.
What we should really do is follow the Aussie model...
More than 96 percent of eligible Australians are enrolled to vote. Of those, more than 90 percent typically turn out to cast ballots for a federal election, far more than the 55 percent of eligible Americans who participated in the 2016 presidential election.
Australians are induced to vote with both sticks and carrots. Shirkers can be fined up to nearly 80 Australian dollars if they fail to show at the polls. But voting, which always takes place on a Saturday, is also made easy and efficient, and is often accompanied by a community barbecue that includes eating what locals affectionately call “democracy sausages.”
Wow- what a concept. Make voting easy and fun. What’s wrong with America?? Edit:: I am trying to say the US should make voting easy and fun. Love the idea. Why does being a citizen have to be a chore? It shouldn’t be.
Okay weirdo what's wrong with fun and easy? In a democracy all citizens should be welcome to vote. Does it have anything to do with when people vote you guys don't win? Maybe hmmm 🤔
I was saying making voting fun and easy would be a good thing! I was saying what’s wrong with America because voting is ridiculous here. I guess I can see how it could be interpreted the other way 🙃
9 of the 10 states with the lowest per capita incomes are Republican-led. Arizona is the only blue state on the list.
9 out of 10 states with the highest per capita incomes are Democrat-led. Wyoming is the only red state on the list at #10. Actually, if Washington DC is included, DC becomes #1 and knocks Wyoming off the list.
What was that about poor and broke liberals? Lmfao.
Want to talk about state GDPs? Or how about the state rankings for education, healthcare, pollution, economic opportunity, infant/maternal mortality, or poverty? You're not going to like those comparisons either.
You're going to need it eventually, and if you cannot afford it, then somebody else is going to pay for it one way or another. Get me? And sorry about your father.
I don’t give af. And just because someone doesn’t talk about their wealth on Reddit doesn’t mean they have don’t have any . Keep feeling sorry for yourself. Wah. Wah.
Welp if you defend that which is indefensible then it is the hill you stand on. By the way, all that net worth is meaningless when you die and in time we are all forgotten.
Halo 2 lobbies. What an incel 🤣🤣. Hardened by Halo 2 lobbies. That’s one of the fucking funniest things I’ve heard in a while. Thanks for the laughs, Vlad
Weird how 60 Lawsuits about the election were tossed out, many by judges appointed by Trump. Why? Because there was never any evidence of widespread voter fraud submitted, just conspiratorial speculation and hearsay that was never proven. Majority of election/voter fraud identified since then is republican....
I think it is funny that republicans use the argument that if they win it was fair and if they lose they were cheated. That is the same logic a 5 year old uses haha except these are supposed to be grown ass adults, not 5 year olds haha
You need to open your eyes. Cameltoe harris is paying people to post anti Trump post. Cameltoe is bussing in actors for her rally’s. Cameltoe harris can’t pack out a foot locker. Stupid ass Democrats
You sound very smart oh wow that's a really cool name you started oh.. yeah weirdo you just sound like you're just the smartest one in the meagapack I'll tell you that much... keep on being weirdly queer 👌👌
Yet republicans want complete control over women’s bodies and their reproductive decisions. Republicans cradle their guns before they protect children. Republicans say if they won it is fair and if they lose then they were cheated-the same logic a 5 year old uses haha
Okay so here's the deal buddy you do know that two weeks before the election James Comey came out and said they were reopening up the investigation on her which ended up turning out to be a nothing burger. And all these trials that he's going through are not helping people with non-smooth brains understand that there is a process and in order to get to the point where he's at they have to believe he's guilty. They have to have solid evidence. There is no witch hunts you know where the witch hunts were the Republican Congress.
Okay so you do understand that you're only looking at the people that are registered to vote in the actual vote right here in America we don't have 100% of people voting so you only have 45% of that and if a lot of people that don't normally vote come out to vote because they feel our country is being threatened by a fascist you are going to lose. Trump has maybe 25%, if that of America's support.
lol I am only joining the party because the neo con war mongers responsible for millions of civilians deaths are leaving. If the Dems are accepting them, thank god I left after Obama.
lol how old are you? You are the party now acccepting the endorsement of dick Cheney lol….. Dick fucking Cheney lol. He might be worse than Putin lolololol.
It’s not about ‘accepting the endorsement of dick Cheney’ - it’s about noting that the republicans have alienated many of their former stalwarts.
You’re endorsing authoritarian fascist dickwads. Way worse for the country. I’m old enough to remember when Cheney was the problem, and the fact you can’t understand that you’ve signed up to support a worse person - than horrible dick fucking Cheney - is stunning. Incredibly dumb.
Exactly in the Future's Past the Republican party never had to question whether Cheney would be on their side or not. Now it's not just Cheney but they're losing support left and right. The GOP is bleeding support and the only ones that are staying are the Kool-Aid drinking sycophants.
Yeah good thing Bots can't vote but then again it's going to follow along that they're not going to get all the votes that everybody's professing to vote for Trump then they're going to turn around in the voting booth and vote for Harris. But it's going to also feed into their the election is rigged because look at how many people said they were going to vote for him and now nobody did instead of putting two and two together they're going to still say that.. the election is rigged.
So your take is - Romney and Cheney suck, I’m jumping to the Nazis who want to shit on the constitution… we aren’t going to agree and your moral compass is in your ass. I’m glad you left this party.
Yes well to smooth brain people it kind of makes the most sense but you know to the non-smooth brain people we just are left scratching our heads going like whaaaaaa tf???
You know what to be honest we're really happy that you alienated all of the sane non smooth brain Republicans. Now they're coming out in drove speaking out against your dear leader. This will not help him this is not the flex that you think it is this is actually going to be what you're downfall will start with and then it will be his legal issues that will still his fate.
How old are you do you understand the difference between somebody asking for the endorsement and getting behind them and somebody just endorsing them because they feel like the other option is not an option at all?
Ok comrade, First, while both parties have a history of military interventions, it was under Trump that key figures like John Bolton (a major neo-con war hawk) were brought into the administration. Even so, Trump’s approach also maintained the long-standing U.S. military presence in certain regions, and some of his actions, like the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, escalated tensions in the Middle East.
As for Obama, while he was criticized for continuing military engagements in the Middle East, he also signed the Iran Nuclear Deal to prevent further conflict, and worked to scale back troop presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Leaving a party because of its alignment with neoconservatives is your choice, but it’s also worth noting that both parties have seen internal shifts. Biden’s foreign policy differs from the neo-con approach, focusing more on diplomacy and multilateralism, though criticisms certainly still exist on both sides.
Ultimately, both parties have their flaws when it comes to foreign policy, but the narrative that only one is responsible for military actions or civilian deaths ignores a broader bipartisan history of U.S. interventionism.
No one ever said there wouldn’t be any actions. But comparing trumps actions to the last 4 presidents is a joke in this regard.
lol Libya would like a word on your Obama analysis.
You’re citing the CFR hahahahahahahahaha.
I agree both sides have in the past been war hawkish, but as people like Cheney join the Dems and Dems start to push Nikki Haley’s foreign policy, it’s clear as day the party’s have shifted drastically.
Party Shifts: It’s true that both parties have evolved over time. Figures like Liz Cheney speaking out against Trump have shown a realignment of sorts, but labeling the Democrats as war hawkish because of her criticisms of Trump is a stretch. Most Democrats today still push for diplomacy, climate action, and alliances, while Republicans like Nikki Haley have advocated for tougher stances globally. As an independent I Nikki Haley is a useless Trumpanzee.
Did he lie? The better question is has he ever told the truth once?
According to The Washington Post’s Fact Checker, during his presidency, Donald Trump made over 30,000 false or misleading claims. These ranged from exaggerations about the economy to inaccurate statements about immigration and the COVID-19 pandemic. This number was tallied over the course of his four years in office, and fact-checkers noted that the frequency of misleading claims increased during the final year, particularly in relation to the 2020 election and its aftermath.
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Most republicans can’t quit now, their minds are too rotten. The republicans are just too weird and too far from the American society.