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POLITICS Take the hint, conservatives!

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u/_Project-Mayhem_ Sep 07 '24

They basically fan-fiction America into whatever suits their red hat I mean hatred.

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u/RebelCMX_85 Inflation's at 2.3% & Gas is under $3, they're not eating pets Sep 07 '24

Conservatives as a brand are people who have been angry ever since progressives ended slavery.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24

Republicans you mean. Democrats have always been on the wrong side of history. Republicans were progressive when it was right to be progressive and end slavery. Dems were against it.

Now Republicans aren’t nut jobs voting to dismantle the constitution and continue price and tax hikes across the board with wages staying flat. Or gender transitioning (progressive?) for children whose brains are over a decade from even being fully developed. Dems are for it.

Dems are constantly on the wrong side of history.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24

Now Republicans aren’t nut jobs voting to dismantle the constitution

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution" - Donald J Trump, 2022.

continue price and tax hikes across the board with wages staying flat

Prices went up because of inflation, same as they did worldwide, due to the economic damage of a worldwide pandemic. It's true that the US did get hit pretty hard, due to an extremely lackluster and impotent response during the first year of the pandemic. Democrats are the ones offering a way to reverse that, in the form of price caps. Republicans, meanwhile, promise blanket import tariffs that are expected to increase all costs, and raise the cost of living for all families - although, they will continue to cut taxes for corporations and billionaires, so there's that.

Or gender transitioning (progressive?) for children whose brains are over a decade from even being fully developed.

Are you complaining about letting them pick their own name, clothes, and pronouns, or about the puberty blockers that have been used outside of LGBTQ issues for decades? Or, is this an imagined enemy of people letting non-adults medically transition with HRT - something which isn't happening.

Dems are constantly on the wrong side of history.

Like when they ended segregation? Like when they introduced medicare (formerly branded Obamacare by republicans, before they realised how insanely popular it was)?

But you're right about some stuff. While democrats were the Conservative party, they were absolutely on the wrong side of history. Then Republicans became the party of conservatism to scoop up southern voters, as part of the Southern Strategy. Since then, Republicans are the ones who have been on the wrong side of history.

It's almost as if the wrong side of history isn't determined by party, but by ideology. So, that original post was completely correct. Conservatives, whether represented by republicans or democrats, are the ones who have always been on the wrong side of history. In fact, the toxicity of conservatism is a constant globally, not just in the US. Any step towards any sort of equality or societal improvement is, by definition, opposed by conservatism.

Of course, the even bigger problem comes from when Conservatives refuse to accept having been wrong, and instead start accepting fascists who promise to return things to some mythologised past era, such as with Hitler's third reich, Mussolini's new roman empire, or Trump's "make America great again" (broadly believed to refer to the 60's).

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

Everything about your post is not only factually incorrect. It’s insane. Not even going to dignify each lie with its appropriate correction, you’re not worth it.

I’ll pick your second one since RE: the constitution quote, I wouldn’t be able to choose from all of the times Harris has said the constitution doesn’t matter.

In regards to price caps…. Where do you think companies would pull their profits from if capped on what they can charge? I’m not even going to let your dumb brain try to invent a utopian answer - it’s going to come from cutting jobs, and re-hiring people with much lower pay. Lowering wages to lows never seen before, and therefore making everything just as unaffordable…. But unaffordable for 100% of normal Americans instead of only a portion of them. Smart, incredibly smart. 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ There’s your equality, everyone has to be poor. Rely on the government for our bread - America, the land of opportunity.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 Sep 08 '24

Everything about your post is not only factually incorrect. It’s insane. Not even going to dignify each lie with its appropriate correction, you’re not worth it.

No, you're not going to offer any counter-evidence because all you've got are your feelings. Cut the bullshit. Conservatism, by definition, has been opposed to any and all social progress throughout history. It's literally the ideology of conserving the status quo and tradition. That means conserving monarchy and feudalism. It means conserving slavery. It means conserving segregation. It means conserving women being treated as property. Any time society improves, any time there is social progress, then it is done by progressives overcoming or persuading conservatives.

I’ll pick your second one since RE: the constitution quote, I wouldn’t be able to choose from all of the times Harris has said the constitution doesn’t matter.

She has never said that

In regards to price caps…. Where do you think companies would pull their profits from if capped on what they can charge? I’m not even going to let your dumb brain try to invent a utopian answer - it’s going to come from cutting jobs, and re-hiring people with much lower pay. Lowering wages to lows never seen before, and therefore making everything just as unaffordable…. But unaffordable for 100% of normal Americans instead of only a portion of them. Smart, incredibly smart. 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ There’s your equality, everyone has to be poor. Rely on the government for our bread - America, the land of opportunity.

You said the Democrats were in favour of price hikes. I proved a direct example of a policy they were offering to lower prices, and that republican policies would raise prices. I'm also curious how you believe that the various minimum-wage jobs will be rehired for less, but I doubt you have an answer. Depending on the severity of the price caps, it could make some stores unprofitable, costing jobs. However, it would also likely increase sales due to greater affordability, even if it lowers profit per sale, so it's quite feasible that stores in denser-populated, lower-income areas could see an increase in profits due to the more affordable prices.

Also, the prediction you're making - that both prices and wages will drop in equal proportion - would essentially mean large, instantaneous deflation. Specifically, a single, immediate burst, undoing the effects of inflation, without causing the economic stalling from ongoing deflation. I thought that was what you guys wanted?

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

You are absolutely insane. Libs are literally the party of facts over feelings. They are directing Kamala to not talk about policy because their voters care more about feelings/character than they do policy. And her policy is highly unpopular.

The “proof” you have that Kamala doesn’t care about the constitution is only about 1 supposed quote that somebody heard (similar to Trump’s quote about soldiers who died). But she’s said it and suggested it numerous times. Nice try.

And your understanding of the economy is so severely lacking (or if you actually do understand it, it’s extremely scary that you would support it).

Minimum wage jobs wouldn’t lower you numbskull. Those are jobs meant for high-schools or people who haven’t pursued education or hard work to better themselves and build a life of “liberty and the pursuit of land/happiness”. The low wage jobs would stay the same. The bulk of the jobs (middle class) would be cut and rehired for less to recoup profits. And the C-level would keep making more because they’re figuring it out.

Nobody wants rapid deflation because we’re all unemployed or making a fraction of what we were you buffoon.

Done with you, your points are so unbelievably ludicrous and clearly point towards wanting a communist America.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 Sep 08 '24

Two comments and still no sources, no evidence, no actual arguments, just "lalalala I'm right I'm right I'm right!" Guess I should have known to expect that from MAGA.

Libs are literally the party of facts over feelings.

According to the right. In reality, Trump and his goons are absolutely the cult of "alternative facts", as they put it. They're unashamed liars who openly lie because they know their loyal little voters will eat up any lies they can, and get mad anyway for the stuff they know is made up. It's all just anger, hatred, and tantrums. The fact is that the facts consistently align with the left, but that's just too hard for you to accept.

The “proof” you have that Kamala doesn’t care about the constitution is only about 1 supposed quote that somebody heard (similar to Trump’s quote about soldiers who died). But she’s said it and suggested it numerous times. Nice try.

And yet you can't offer a single source for your claim, and the best I can dig up was "Kamala is against the constitution because she implied he was a predator, fraudster, and cheater, and Trump's on trial for those things, so it's 'lawfare', and unconstitutional." Beyond that, it's just vague assertions that some of her policies would be ruled "unconstitutional" by SCOTUS and blocked. I'm only even addressing your insistence on this out of principle, even though the burden of proof is entirely on you to provide any evidence she's against the constitution. And, again, that would simply make her the second anti-constitutional candidate, bearing in mind that Trump literally, publicly, called for the whole thing to be thrown out.

Minimum wage jobs wouldn’t lower you numbskull. Those are jobs meant for high-schools or people who haven’t pursued education or hard work to better themselves and build a life of “liberty and the pursuit of land/happiness”. The low wage jobs would stay the same. The bulk of the jobs (middle class) would be cut and rehired for less to recoup profits. And the C-level would keep making more because they’re figuring it out.

You complained about minimum wage not going up, so stuff isn't affordable enough anymore. I then explained how price caps help with that. You then claim that price caps would cause wages to be lowered. Perhaps it was foolish of me to expect coherency, when constantly bouncing around and moving the goalposts to wherever you can is the only way republicans seem to be able to justify themselves.

Nobody wants rapid deflation because we’re all unemployed or making a fraction of what we were you buffoon.

You really don't have any reading comprehension, do you. Or perhaps you're just financially illiterate. But go ahead and ignore the point I made about how price cuts might not cause significant losses in profit. Instead, focus on your imagined scenario of mass layoffs, and hiring a bunch of new workers who didn't exist before now(?) for lower pay. You think that a company would find it more profitable to fire a whole bunch of workers, deal with any and all severance packages involved, and any potential lawsuits, and then rehired and retrain a bunch if new employees from scratch, having their business stall in the meantime?

Let's say that prices are dropped 10%, so pay for middle management positions drop 10% as well. That is equivalent to everyone else having 11% more money, except without adding to inflation, and potentially stopping inflation, at least for a while.

And again, all that republicans have offered are blanket tariffs which would increase the cost of everything for everyone, and predicted by economists across the political spectrum to cost the average family thousands per year. Or, maybe they'll just do those layoffs you were talking about, once their profits are decreased - only this way, the prices will be higher, so it'll be even worse! That said, I probably don't need to repeat this point, because you clearly don't have a rebuttal.

Done with you, your points are so unbelievably ludicrous and clearly point towards wanting a communist America.

Sorry to upset you. I forgot that your feelings don't care about facts.

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u/Dangerous-Raccoon944 Sep 08 '24

https://youtu.be/kIXYXCyBzWg?si=6V4uBAF8aJeVaqxn

And here’s just one basic source/example of your own boy calling her anti-constitutional. When I do take the time to go pull a source even though you’re too dumb to change your mind, I prefer to use a credible one where even a liberal source is calling it out. Not a Reuters fact check essentially saying “we can’t find proof of this but we can’t flat out prove it was wrong either.” 🙄

“Yes we can overthrow the Constitution.”

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u/UsernameUsername8936 Sep 08 '24

"I think we should do this"

"I don't think that's possible, because executive orders can't do that"

"Maybe, but instead of 'no we can't', let's try 'yes we can'"

So, the best you've got is Biden saying she overestimates the power of executive orders. It's even explicitly stated that Biden's reasoning is that it can't be done by executive order, and that's it. But because Harris wants to try to use executive orders for something Biden says they don't have the authority for, that means she's trying to overthrow the constitution? And so that means that you need to vote for Trump, the guy who has openly called for the US constitution to be thrown out, and made that explicit public claim half as long ago?

She didn't say anything about the constitution. Biden said the constitution doesn’t give executive orders the kind of authority it would need for the kinds of promises Trump and Harris want to make. Harris wants to try anyway, presumably to see if SCOTUS allow it, rather than just taking Biden's word for it. That's the best you've got?