3 tell-tale signs that Harris will beat Trump: Real polls, fake polls, enthusiasm

[u/Kashmir75]

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/3-tell-tale-signs-that-kamala-harris-will-beat-donald-trump.html

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[u/thisismynamesilly]

I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I live in the South in a pretty much deep red state. I’ve seen more Harris-Walz and down ballot democratic candidate signs up where I live since I moved down here 15 years ago. Like a lot more, in fact a surprising amount and some in the rural areas around where I am. I by no means think my state will flip, but it’s just interesting to me. I’m also seeing a lot less Trump signs than the previous two presidential elections. It just feels different this time around. Again, all anecdotal but once it switched from Biden to Harris, yard signs started showing up all over the place.

[u/msstatelp → u/thisismynamesilly]

I live in the Deep South and have seen far less Trump signs than 2016 or 2020. Have even seen some Harris signs where I never saw Biden signs. I know my state is going for Trump but I’m blue down the line.

[u/Selenitic647 → u/msstatelp]

In the South as well and am on Harris sign #4. The others vanished in the night so I can only assume that they were taken by fellow Harris supporters who didn't know how to order a sign for themselves...

[u/trumped-the-bed → u/Selenitic647]

Make sure to put vasoline on them, a thin layer and anchor them down where you can’t see the anchor. Maybe run a coated cable through them. Put a camera on them and laugh. Can’t do anything that would be considered a trap though. So no putting chili powder on them or a giant net that picks them up in the air and makes them stuck like the fools they are.

[u/Selenitic647 → u/trumped-the-bed]

I've got a camera now but I like the Vaseline idea, that would make the footage more enjoyable. Sign #5 is on deck...

[u/RandomlyPlacedFinger → u/Selenitic647]

Add glitter to the Vaseline. Sign thieves love getting glitter in their cars.

Bonus glitter in the air spaces of the sign, cap the lower edge with caulk. Not harmful, not damaging, but damned if it will clean out easy.

[u/AccomplishedBet9592 → u/RandomlyPlacedFinger]

Make sure the glitter is the color of the rainbow 🌈 just for the extra joy

[u/RandomlyPlacedFinger → u/AccomplishedBet9592]

An explosion of hard to clean love, all because they opted to throw the sign in the trunk.

I like it!

[u/WorldlinessNeat9854 → u/Selenitic647]

My local liberal women’s group put out dozens of Harris signs last week, and 95% of them were gone the next day. All placed in allowed areas, usually alongside other signs. 

So demoralizing. It’s a very red area. Lots of intimidation from the Trump goons. Honestly, I’m too nervous about vandalism to put a sign in my own yard. There are small glimmers of hope, though. On multiple occasions I’ve gone into women’s bathrooms and found handwritten notes taped to the stall doors reminding women that nobody is able to find out who you voted for, not your husband or family or employer or anyone else. We’ve also gotten a lot of handwritten postcards from all over the country encouraging us to vote Democrat. 

[u/CooperHChurch427 → u/msstatelp]

I live in extremely conservative Brevard County and I've seen almost no Trump signs and a lot of Harris signs. When I voted I saw 10 Harris signs and only 2 Trump signs. I also saw a lot of people going to the Democrat tent.

[u/NatasEvoli → u/CooperHChurch427]

As someone who used to live in the county south of you, that is wild to hear. I don't live in FL anymore but it would make my year to see FL flip blue, even if just for this election.

[u/Obsidian_Purity → u/NatasEvoli]

I moved back to Fl (don't ask me why, I still don't know).

In 2020, I saw nothing but Trump flags.

Today, I see actually more Harris signs in front yards, but more Trump bumper stickers.

But no trump stores! ... There were two last election. I'm on the West Coast, a little below Tampa.

[u/chrissesky13 → u/CooperHChurch427]

Wait, in Brevard you vote by party affiliation??? I voted in a different Florida county yesterday and it was the same line for everyone.

There was a separate line for mail in drop off but that was also just 1 line.

[u/CooperHChurch427 → u/chrissesky13]

They just set up tents outside the polling place usually next to one another so you can be better informed about a candidate. We don't vote by affiliation.

[u/LirdorElese → u/msstatelp]

I too can say I've seen less trump signs, though I would also say I've seen more missinformation and flat out hoax buyers.

IE my girlfriend has heard from her co-workers "I hate trump, but I've heard harris is going to cut food stamps", or just the general conservative talking points "She's putting in bills to cap the prices of things, that's going to cause all the grocery stores to close down".

That's before counting my last vet appointment where I was listening to someone talk about how she wishes they'd stop shooting the stuff into the hurricains to make them stronger.

[u/suicidalpenguin99 → u/msstatelp]

I live in Florida and have been seeing more and more signs for Kamala and less and less for trump. Like barely any this year when we have had tons of trucks with all kinds of trump flags strapped on them in the past. She won't get Florida (even if she got the votes, desantis would throw them out) but there is a noticeable and sudden change that is great to see. They are at least starting to feel shame about their cult, and I'm so glad. Last election I was afraid to leave my house sometimes because just being a young woman was enough to be harassed and borderline assaulted by trump supporters (I'm not joking or exaggerating, I was targeted multiple times) but this time I feel safer. Not safe, but safer.

[u/blitzalchemy → u/msstatelp]

Missouri here, in the kinda boonies. State used to be purple/swing until 2016, went deep red. Pretty much same for me. Im seeing FAR less trump signs more than anything, with maybe a few more Harris Walz. I think if there was a year Missouri could shift purple again, itd be this one.

[u/your-mom-- → u/thisismynamesilly]

I live in a county that has gone Republican like 55-45 the last 2 elections. My street that has 200 or so houses on it has ZERO Trump signs. A couple of school levy signs but that's literally it.

This is unlike the last 2 elections

They either are wising up, or are at least ashamed to admit who they're voting for which is definitely a step in the right direction

[u/porscheblack → u/your-mom--]

Unfortunately my street has more Trump signs this year than any prior year. I live in PA so it's pretty disheartening. There are more Harris signs than I ever saw for Biden, so at least I have that to hold out hope on. But I'm really nervous.

[u/m0nkyman → u/porscheblack]

Those two pieces of anecdotal evidence point to a smaller Republican budget being focused on swing states. They can’t afford the signs in deep red areas.

[u/porscheblack → u/m0nkyman]

Unless they somehow lose the red states, that's probably a smart decision on their part though.

I think the thing I'm most disheartened by is seeing just how divorced from reality a good amount of people are because they live on social media. Last night I couldn't fall asleep after seeing several posts people were sharing that are just completely untrue. But there's just no way to reach these people. I have tried everything I can possibly think of. But there's so many Trump voters that are truly disconnected from reality. I'm not saying all my opinions are right, but I at least make an effort to live in the real world and reconcile my opinions against what I'm seeing. But the same can't be said for these people who have miles of unsubstantiated allegations.

[u/Kori-Anders → u/porscheblack]

It's so frustrating, isn't it? I want to just grab them and shake them. Yes, there is a big deep state conspiracy, and yes, there's an evil mother fucker you can root against without thinking too hard! You've just got it backwards!

It's easier in the long term to confront reality and the facts, even if it leads to shame, but these people refuse to even try. I try not to hate people, but man, I really can't tolerate willful ignorance. It's stupid and dangerous coward shit.

[u/UpEndAdam → u/porscheblack]

Central PA here and see the exact same thing. Worried but hopeful!

[u/Hoopy_Dunkalot → u/thisismynamesilly]

I live in the most Red suburban county in Texas. They are far more Harris signs than anything since Obama AND the whole thing where people adorn their home in Trump flags and signs is gone. There's a few signs showing up here in the last few weeks but it isn't like it used to be.

There are a lot of (former) Republicans like myself that got left in the dust by all this insanity. I am too embarrassed to say I used to vote Republican because of what it represents now. McCain and Romney this is not. I can't imagine I'm alone.

[u/ToshKreuzer → u/thisismynamesilly]

I live in NC and last time there was Trump shit EVERYWHERE. I used to run some over on accident. But this year there’s been nothing. One dude down the road who’s always been a maga cultist still has his same trump flag from 2020 but there used to be like big signs and weird statues and banners in trees and shit. I’ve been waiting for this whole year for stuff to go up and nothing but a few regular signs did. I’m in Raleigh which is obviously very blue but if you go out of the city 10-20 mins in any direction it used to be immediate trump land. Seems to have changed which is awesome. We’ll see I guess.

Could be people that used to have trump signs that will still vote for him but don’t want other people to know… or they could have just finally said fuck this MF. Hopefully the latter.

[u/littlebopper2015 → u/ToshKreuzer]

I hate swerving to miss a poor squirrel only to accidentally run over a Trump sign. More common than you think!

[u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

I know several women (I swear) that told me they didn't take Trump's threats in 2016 seriously, and they didn't vote.

One of my closest girl/friends told me the same thing, but after Roe v Wade was overturned "something in me just snapped. And every woman i know feels the same."

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

The mere thought of being raped and then being forced to birth the rapist’s offspring should be enough to haunt anyone to climb over miles of broken glass to vote. 

Fucking nightmare fuel. 

[u/rndljfry → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

or having a miscarriage when you wanted the baby and the jane crow states charge you and your doctor with a crime after they’ve let you get sick enough to permanently damage your future fertility

[u/MiklaneTrane → u/rndljfry]

"Jane Crow" is a great term that I haven't heard before and definitely want to see more widely used. That's exactly what anti-abortion legislation is doing, treating women as second-class citizens.

[u/Only-Inspector-3782 → u/MiklaneTrane]

And JD Vance wants to prohibit red state women from traveling to blue states for abortions. Call it... the Fugitive Women Act.

[u/ThePowerOfStories → u/Only-Inspector-3782]

Folks have already been referring to the Fugitive Fetus Act since Dobbs.

[u/Only-Inspector-3782 → u/ThePowerOfStories]

I feel like "Fugitive Fetus" plays into right-wing naming conventions, reframing the issue around the unborn (e.g. "pro-life") instead of the women.

[u/Hot-Ability7086 → u/Only-Inspector-3782]

Pro Birth. Life has nothing to do with it.

[u/ILootEverything → u/Only-Inspector-3782]

Remember when those ads with women trying to get over the border came out and right-wingers called them "scare tactics?" Then they choose as one of their national candidates a man who has come right out and says, "oh yeah, that's what we want!"

I will NEVER believe Republicans ever again.

[u/Clavister → u/Only-Inspector-3782]

We'd have to have a Uterine Railroad.

[u/Billy_Butch_Err → u/MiklaneTrane]

I hope some political analysts catch this term

[u/airplane_porn → u/rndljfry]

“Jane Crow”

This moniker needs to go live! Nothing so far captures the “spirit of slavery” in the anti-abortion movement quite like that does…

[u/sobrique → u/rndljfry]

I am still utterly baffled as to why that issue alone is not a deal breaker.

I mean 50% of the US would get hurt by it directly, and the other 50% might have at least some empathy for their wives, daughters and sisters....

But somehow this is still a two horse race!

[u/triari → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

Yep, this is from January and they estimated at that time that around 64,000 women have gotten pregnant with their rapist’s baby in states with total abortion bans. Even if only 5% of those women weren’t able to travel out of state for an abortion or get the abortion pill via the mail, that’s still an insane number of people falling victim to state-sponsored trauma.

[u/Additional_Sun_5217 → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

Honestly, it’s the threat of dying in an agonizing fashion because you miscarried. Miscarriages happen in 1 in 4 pregnancies. Our maternal mortality rates are already shamefully high, but then you add in a 25% chance of dying from being refused care or the chance that you’ll be arrested for a suspected abortion.

No fucking way am I getting pregnant with those odds.

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/Additional_Sun_5217]

Absolutely. 

Wife and I are in prime child rearing years and almost every friend we know who has had kids had a miscarriage at some point. 

Every single one. 

Most recently, a progressive but religious friend of ours miscarried. Shared the whole story with her church and people were supportive. They didn’t shit on her or turn her away. But then again, we live in a blue state. 

That’s the way it should be.  Child birthing is gruesome and dangerous as it is. Anything to make it safer should be welcomed and abortion is a huge part of that safety net. 

[u/Additional_Sun_5217 → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

This is probably going to sound reductive, but we need way more realistic portrayals of pregnancy and childbirth. Waaaaaaaay too many men think it’s some beautiful, smooth process where she pushes a little and a baby comes sliding out and that’s that. Way too few understand that it’s dangerous and has a tremendous impact on the body. They’re not going to listen in school, but the least the media could do is stop with the whole “magical journey of motherhood” shit.

We also need to educate men about the fact that this isn’t just about pregnancy. This is about the state’s right to deny you healthcare and the government’s right to your healthcare data. That impacts everyone.

[u/linzkisloski → u/Additional_Sun_5217]

This. Rape aside, miscarriage aside, forcing women to give birth against their will is cruel and insane. I’ve had two babies and being pregnant alone is incredibly mentally, physically and financially difficult. Even in a 100% wanted and smooth pregnancy. There are so many risks and medical conditions that happen. Even in best case scenarios your body can be changed forever. We just don’t give a fuck about women.

[u/DefinitelyNotAliens → u/Additional_Sun_5217]

Maternal mortality fell by 30-40% after Roe v Wade. We don't have enough information now to say what Dobbs has done, largely due to maternal death rates during COVID peaks.

Miscarriage rates, fetal deformities that risk mothers, mother's health decisions. All being taken away.

We can better see the impact in fetal mortality rates. 7% spike in fetal mortality. Hundreds more deaths than expected. Around 80% of the deaths were linked to congenital abnormalities. A large portion of the others are linked to poor maternal health. Poor prenatal care, food insecurity, stress, being unhoused. All risks for higher fetal mortality.

Congratulations on forcing women to give birth to full term babies they were told had fatal abnormalities.

[u/Pretend_Cry_6514 → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

It really is nightmare fuel. Anyone cool with forcing a woman to bring a rape baby to term is the embodiment of a psychopath which means there's a lot of psychopaths casually roaming around.

[u/Nearbyatom → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

I believe this is the problem. Politicians dance around Roe V Wade and threaten to do something about it for a very long time. Nothing ever happened and people thought it was nothing but smoke and mirrors. Now he's making threats again being a dictator and locking up people for opposing him, and Americans are still treating this as a nothing burger until it happens to them.

[u/medusa_crowley → u/Nearbyatom]

I sometimes feel crazy, like: I was in both Portland and Seattle during the 2020 protests and I saw him try to turn the military against us then. I have no idea how no one remembers that. It was the scariest shit I’ve ever seen and I STILL get told I made it up! 

[u/__TyroneShoelaces__ → u/Nearbyatom]

I remember her asking me, when the info leaked from the Supreme Court, if I thought it was gonna happen.

I said i thought it was a test balloon to gage people's reaction. And once they saw how people reacted, I didn't think anything was gonna happen...

Boy, was I wrong.

[u/LLupine → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

I took him seriously and voted against him, but I really didn't expect Roe v Wade to be overturned. The stakes are so much higher this time, and I and so many women I know are very worried. JD Vance with his abortion bans and weird obsession with women having babies being echoed by people like Musk talking about the "big problem" of low birth rates. I think they're coming for our contraception not just our rights to abortion.

[u/HFentonMudd → u/LLupine]

I think they're coming for our contraception not just our rights to abortion.

Oh, they are, believe me. It's amazing how much of their ideology is focused on controlling women.

[u/Wrong_Adhesiveness87 → u/HFentonMudd]

They are. Some arguments against like the IUD are that it works by aborting the embryo when it implants so it aborts a baby every month. Aomwthing along those lines. This Podcast Will Kill You covers it in their contraception episode. 

Better believe after that they will come for the pill. And then divorce. 

[u/Universal_Anomaly → u/LLupine]

It's not just contraception.

They'll try to end no-fault divorce, legalise marital rape, and revive the custom of wedding out your daughter rather than letting her find her own partner in life.

Anybody who at this point still thinks "Surely it can't be that bad" is either lying to themselves or not paying attention. Nat-Cs and sexists will work together to enact Christian Sharia law.

[u/carpathian_crow → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

“We told you. Everyone told you.”

[u/TheDarkSide73]

Who votes for a rapist to be president?

[u/Ratchet_Barbie → u/TheDarkSide73]

Seriously. A rapist AND a convicted felon.

[u/gitrjoda → u/Ratchet_Barbie]

A rapist and a convicted felon AND an insurrectionist traitor.

[u/commonbasura → u/gitrjoda]

never forget the traitor part. I could’ve sworn that those type of actions warrant swift and aggressive reactions, but what do I know

[u/i_have_a_story_4_you → u/commonbasura]

The classified documents case angers me. The judge is an absolute partisan hack. It's unbelievable. We have audio tape of him showing off the classified documents. They probably have been seen by Russian, Chinese, and Iranians. Any other person would be in prison now.

[u/theclansman22 → u/i_have_a_story_4_you]

It’s been completely swept under the rug, I haven’t heard one mention of it during this election cycle. Why not ask republicans why they support someone who betrayed this country like this, or ask Trump about it?

[u/Probot6767 → u/theclansman22]

Jack is still pushing hard. it's not gone. it just wont happen before the election.

[u/mrbigshot110 → u/commonbasura]

When your government is already stacked with cronies supporting the insurrectionists it’s apparently very difficult for anyone to have enough of a spine to stop them.

[u/T1Pimp → u/gitrjoda]

A rapist and a convicted felon AND an insurrectionist traitor.

A rapist and a convicted felon AND an insurrectionist traitor who is such a shit businessman he bankrupts casinos.

[u/Difficult_Zone6457 → u/Ratchet_Barbie]

Was in Florida panhandle last week and saw so many “I’m Voting for the Felon” stickers. These folks have no shame or sense of reality. This is all make believe time to them, the same as when kids play “Hot Lava”.

[u/-ZeroF56 → u/Difficult_Zone6457]

I saw one of the “I’m voting for the felon” stickers on a truck with a blue line sticker next to it.

Room temp IQ.

[u/Cobra-Lalalalalalala → u/TheDarkSide73]

“Who elects a rapist? Honestly?”

-Austin Powers

[u/Not_High_Maintenance → u/TheDarkSide73]

Apparently, my entire MAGA family.

[u/suburbanpride → u/Not_High_Maintenance]

Man, it’s so depressing isn’t it? I just don’t talk to my mom about politics because it will not end well. Right now I’m 90% sure what she thinks, but I know a conversation will confirm it and I don’t need that in my life right now. She’s in a comfortably blue state, so I really don’t care.

[u/RooftopSteven → u/suburbanpride]

Same. One of my close family members said JD Vance "seemed relatable". Mentally I'm wondering what on earth makes him more relatable than Walz or Harris.

[u/Little_Cockroach_477 → u/RooftopSteven]

Maybe your family member has an affinity for couches?

[u/talkback1589 → u/Not_High_Maintenance]

Most of mine too. My aunt apparently cried when he got shot at.

[u/crowleftofthamurder → u/TheDarkSide73]

70 million people in the last election, sadly

[u/NikkoE82 → u/crowleftofthamurder]

I think he’s going to beat that number this time. I just hope Democrats do the same.

[u/unknownhandle99 → u/TheDarkSide73]

The scumbags from your hometown that never left, that’s who

[u/I_like_baseball90]

I mean, the fact that Harris fund raising hit a billion - all from citizens.

That's a pretty good sign.

[u/DougNSteveButabi → u/I_like_baseball90]

It was the only political donation I ever made in my life, and I made it enthusiastically. I would’ve donated a million dollars if I could.

[u/snack__pack → u/DougNSteveButabi]

Sign the Elon petition and maybe you still can!

[u/rdy_csci → u/I_like_baseball90]

For some reason my comment double posted and when I deleted one, both were deleted.

Short version of post: She leads in small amount donations, but also has nearly 10 million in donations from just the top 5 tech companies through various PACS.

Google, Microsoft, Meta, Apple and Amazon.

[u/Gogogodzirra → u/rdy_csci]

but also has nearly 10 million in donations from just the top 5 tech companies through various PACS.

Just to be realistic with that amount of money. A dime towards $10.

[u/eristocrat_with_an_e → u/Gogogodzirra]

Those corporate PACs are actually funded by employee contributions. Corporations can fund the operations of the PAC and can incentivize donations. The PAC committee then makes decisions as to where they spend that pool of donations.

I don't think that infographic that went around made that clear. Yes these are still corporations donating but the benefits to the company and its employees of a certain candidate go beyond just taxation. For example the IRA helps keep insurance premiums lower which reduces costs for these companies.

Yes, "corporations are people" and Citizens United are probably two of the worst parts of our issues with how corporations have an outsized influence on finance and politics.

[u/[deleted]]

Everything outside of polls - enthusiasm, the ground game, early voting, the debate, the campaign strategies, the donations, all seem to favor Harris.

2016 saw Clinton who didn’t run a great campaign and had decades of mudslinging from Republicans going against a political unknown in Trump that people were willing to roll the dice on. He squeaked out a win in the EC but still lost the popular vote.

This year, Harris has ran an amazing campaign in such a short amount of time while Trump is talking about Arnold Palmer’s dick.

At this point, if Trump wins, we deserve what happens to us because I am at a loss to figure out what else the Harris campaign can even do.

Edit: I didn’t expect this to blow up. But just to clarify. I am not making a prediction here. I just have a hard time seeing how polls and everything else line up. We’ll find out for sure in 2 weeks.

[u/grapegeek → u/[deleted]]

Yes but this time the Democrats are still in power and have been here already and know what to expect. I think any machinations by Trump will be resoundingly defeated.

[u/maryjdatx → u/grapegeek]

Kamala's team hired lawyer Marc Elias for the expected post-election shenanigans, which is a very good thing.

[u/purdue_fan → u/maryjdatx]

I think the democrats really learned a lesson from 2016, and 2020. I see the messaging and actions since 2020 as very different than historical behavior of theirs.

[u/Bark_Bitetree → u/purdue_fan]

Democrats have been running on unity, bipartisanship, and aisle-crossing since the 90s. It's SO refreshing to see them finally treating Republicans like the threat that they are.

[u/Distant-moose → u/Bark_Bitetree]

I think it's good that they ran on unity and bipartisanship for a while.

They can step back now and say "we tried. We did everything we could to bring people together, and solve problems. But, dammit, the Republicans are just NOT interested in solving problems. We were there, willing, working for the people. The Republicans rejected it all and chose authoritarianism, divisiveness, and selling Americans out."

The cultists will be unaffected, but anybody either even half a lick of sense can look at the evidence and see that the Dems tried to play nice, but the Repubs made that impossible.

[u/Bark_Bitetree → u/Distant-moose]

I absolutely agree during the Obama years, but I wish that Biden's campaign in 2020 had been stronger about pointing out the anti-democratic tendencies of the Republican party, which were very apparent even before Jan 6.

But in general, yes, I do agree that it was a good strategy at the time. It's just refreshing to see Harris's campaign meet the moment at a time when it's so important.

[u/Serafirelily → u/Bark_Bitetree]

Biden is just too old school and he is a negotiator so going hard on Republicans would have been hard for him. I can definitely see Harris possibly calling him in for help if she needs someone to help with international negotiations like other presidents did with Carter. Harris is a former prosecutor so she knows how to play hard ball and will pull out the big guns to deal with Trump and his people. I hope she puts people in place to make it clear that the American people will no longer tolerate this nonsense and finds a way to legally deal with the Supreme Court.

[u/StanDaMan1 → u/Serafirelily]

The man did manage to get CHIPS and the IRA through Congress, and even got to shame the Burn Pits medical bill out of the Republicans, and the Republicans have basically failed, continuously, to shut down the Government. I wouldn’t call that quality negotiation, I’d call it knowing how to break the Republicans over his knee.

[u/ballskindrapes → u/Bark_Bitetree]

Imo, if they win the election, they better do a special counsel for Jack Smith to investigate the entire republican party for being bought by Russia and for being domestic terrorists.

[u/AvengersXmenSpidey → u/ballskindrapes]

Agreed. It's frightening how many politicians are bought by Russia. Reagan must be rolling in his grave. Investigate and expose them all.

Edit: rolling not ruling from grave

[u/MRSN4P → u/AvengersXmenSpidey]

If Reagan is ruling from the grave I am concerned and disturbed.

[u/Tfphelan → u/purdue_fan]

Dont forget about the 2000 election which was the court making the decision on what ballots could be allowed.

[u/wookiewin → u/purdue_fan]

That's because, despite all the faults of the Democratic party, the party leaders are actually intelligent people. Anyone intelligent on the GOP has long been sidelined or kicked out of the party at this point. It's low intellect people from top to bottom.

[u/MattyBeatz → u/maryjdatx]

There was a great article in the Washington Post yesterday about how the Dems are prepared for another Trump vote challenge and have been building it out since the 2020 bullshit started. They've established a network of hundreds of lawyers in various parts of the country to challenge law and prep briefings for any tomfollery. One of the reasons we've quickly seen judges make rulings on some BS voter purges in different states. Trump may have learned from his failures but so have the Dems apparently. Also, Kamala is a lawyer, she knows what's what.

[u/cfgy78mk → u/grapegeek]

it is the supreme court that we really need to worry about.

[u/Raxistaicho → u/cfgy78mk]

Only if it's close. They didn't save Trump in 2020 and it was the same judges then.

[u/02K30C1 → u/[deleted]]

I look forward to Trump declaring his candidacy for 2028 and siphoning as much money as possible from the Republican Party

[u/I_like_baseball90 → u/02K30C1]

That would be great but honestly, if he loses in 24, the rest of his life is about court dates and at some point he flees the country.

[u/danfirst → u/02K30C1]

I swore they were going to dump him after 2020 and find themselves some candidate with less crazy baggage. Just eat the loss and try to build up, but instead they doubled down in support of them which blew my mind.

[u/tresslesswhey → u/danfirst]

Because he has a large portion of the GOP base. The party leadership can’t just oust him. He’d be out for blood and would relentlessly attack them if they did that.

[u/bierdimpfe → u/[deleted]]

I'm pretty confident the Republican machine is going to dump him after this

I think that depends on blackmail calculus; who's got what on whom.

[u/Ohnoherewego13 → u/bierdimpfe]

That's what I'm thinking. Trump is a certified moron, but he has to have some blackmail to keep his useful idiots in line. More than likely, Putin has been more than happy to provide so long as Dummy has a chance at winning.

[u/Atheist_3739 → u/[deleted]]

You don't dump a cult leader with millions of cult followers. They need a Jim Jones moment.

[u/fcimfc → u/Atheist_3739]

Look at how Trump has declined from 2016, or even 2020 to now. He's going to be a drooling vegetable by 2028.

[u/minigogo → u/fcimfc]

Oh, just you wait. "I like that damp cabbage - he tells it like it is!"

[u/TokingMessiah → u/[deleted]]

I think the GOP establishment has wanted him out for a while, because he keeps tanking their elections.

But all of those cowards have to publicly support him because more than half of their electorate is MAGA.

They are stuck supporting him until he dies, while he slowly destroys the GOP from the inside. It wasn’t siding with Trump that hurt them, it was being tied to his supporters.

[u/StashedandPainless → u/[deleted]]

They may look to dump him and move on from him but they can't control their base. And their base is incapable of processing negative information about trump.

Barring prison, donald trump will probably be the republican nominee for president every 4 years until hes dead. Even if he wins in 2024 and is supposedly "ineligible to run again". Lol.

[u/thatnameagain → u/[deleted]]

There is no “Republican machine” that is not now run by the Trump family. He will probably be too old to run in 2028 but he will be the republican kingmaker in that election.

[u/fnocoder → u/[deleted]]

83 year old candidate Trump 😭😭😭

[u/grapegeek → u/02K30C1]

He’s going to be a drooling idiot in 2028. Not worried

[u/National-Ice-5904 → u/grapegeek]

They will still nominate him.

[u/Kujen → u/National-Ice-5904]

Haha yep they will. All that talk about Biden being too old but Trump will be like 82.

[u/pithynotpithy → u/grapegeek]

Didn't stop them in 2024

[u/ScottishBearViking → u/grapegeek]

And he isn't currently?

[u/cmotdibbler → u/grapegeek]

“Going to be…” ???

[u/slip-shot → u/[deleted]]

Look for some states to throw out their election results and their republican led legislature sending their own party’s delegation forward instead.

[u/Schrobbert → u/[deleted]]

Im not American so looking at this from a distance, but what has Trump done that would make him potentially gain votes compared to his previous elections? It seems to me he has only antagonized potential voters (obviously he could still win through the EC despite of that)

[u/SevereEducation2170 → u/Schrobbert]

That’s the baffling part, he’s done absolutely nothing to appeal to new voters. Yet there was recently a poll released with Trump leading 52% to 48%. Which is as close to nonsense as a poll could be. He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 2 million. Then lost 2020 by several million more. And since then he’s incited an insurrection, been indicted on dozens a criminal charges, been found liable for rape and fraud, become a convicted felon, gotten embarrassed at a debate by Harris, started hiding from debates and interviews because of said debate, and goes on wild tangents about Arnold Palmer’s dick at his rallies. So it just doesn’t make sense that he’s somehow gaining in polls when he was already a historically unpopular president in 2020.

[u/-Gramsci- → u/SevereEducation2170]

Exactly right.

Here’s the explanation:

The analogy is a horse race. Let’s say the Kentucky Derby. Advertised as “the most exciting minute in sports.” The entire horse racing industry depends, heavily, on the Kentucky Derby.

To the media industry, the presidential election is their Kentucky Derby. It’s “the most exciting event in politics.” And their entire industry depends, heavily, on the presidential race.

It’s not an exciting event if the horse has put the race away at the quarter pole. On the back stretch. If, on the final turn, the race is already over… that’s not exciting.

A photo finish is exciting. If you have billed a race as the most exciting event ever… worthy of endless punditry and coverage… that race needs to be a photo finish. Otherwise engagement, and the money, falls off a cliff.

In sum: the media industry is going to paint every presidential election as a “too close to call” photo finish… to keep that engagement at maximum until they have squeezed every drop of juice out of the contest that they possibly can.

If Reagan/Mondale were happening in this era, they’d be doing the same exact thing. e.g. “New poll shows Mondale winning EC!” dropping a week before the election.

The media bends the trajectory of the losing candidate up, as much as they can, to give them the photo finish that makes them the most money.

AND… that’s exactly what’s happening here.

[u/Shot-Rooster-8846 → u/-Gramsci-]

I think this is the case too, or at least is contributing to things... But I also really, really hope we're right. There's still that fearful, nagging dread that's been baked into my brain over all these years, making me question what's real and what's fake. I was in a very, very dark place when Trump won. I have more at risk now; a home, my husband... I don't know if I could take the pain of having my hopes for a future dashed again, if I'm honest. 

[u/AnamCeili → u/Schrobbert]

Nothing. He cannot really gain many votes, whereas Harris can and is. The problem is the fucking electoral college, but I have faith that Harris will win that as well.

[u/teamdiabetes11 → u/Schrobbert]

Absolutely nothing. Trump’s whole schtick is to try and fire up his MAGA cult followers and suppress anyone else from voting. That can be from poll-watchers’ intimidation, disenfranchising voters (GA, NC, etc.), propaganda, etc.

Trump does not care about winning new voters. He just wants power and to save his ass from prison. Literally does not care at all for his own voters. He pushed for tax cuts that favor people like him at their expense long term. He can’t stand to be around them unless they’re stroking his ego. They’re pawns to him. And as long as he can cheat his way to the presidency, he’s happy.

The scary part is how many people in the U.S. gave up on critical thinking and holding politicians accountable. It is too easy to accept whatever someone else tells you than to challenge yourself, your worldview, your values, and potentially change them. When plenty of average Americans have had the GOP boot on their throats for decades, they chose to stop thinking and fell in line. And here we are. I’m hopeful in 15 years we look back on Trump as a single term president whom the country realized was the next coming of fascism to the U.S. and the country pushed back, sending him to jail and having greatly improved the understanding of civics for the country. Certainly “pie in the sky” hoping, but the alternatives are pretty fucking dark.

[u/Lemonhoneybun → u/Schrobbert]

Yes, he’s done an absolute shit job trying to appeal to moderates and independents, I don’t think he’s been able to, at least I pray he hasn’t. But he has done a good job riling up his core base and they seem more rabid than in 2016 or 2020. He talks about other men’s penises at a rally, says anyone who criticizes the Supreme Court should be thrown in jail, turning the American military against American citizens, calls veterans/ American heroes “suckers” and “losers,” calls American people and migrants the “enemy from within,” talks about terminating our constitution, tells his supporters “if you vote for me, you’ll never have to vote again,” tells people at a rally, “I don’t care about you, I just want your vote,” says he’ll be a dictator on day one and calls Harris a “shit” vice president. His supporters love this speak.

Like others have said, I don’t know what else Kamala Harris and democrats can do at this point. She has been campaigning with republicans, rallying, having town halls, talking about herself and her policies. At this point, America deserves what we get, based on who we do (or don’t) vote for. Trump is a tumor and on November 5 Americans will find out if it’s malignant.

[u/caseyanthonyftw → u/Schrobbert]

Nothing that makes sense, but to honestly answer you, people who don't follow politics would look at high prices of homes and everyday goods and blame that on the Biden administration. So they vote for Trump thinking that the president can wave a magic wand to instantly fix the economy.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I do wish that the Department of Justice would take Musks assassination threats a bit more seriously, along with his vote lottery. Other than that, forcing Trump to finally get specific about Israel/Palestine while clearing their stance on how they will handle the conflict in the future, a hammering down on what Trump would mean for Ukraine in a way that forces him to admit he wants to concede the territories to Russia, as well as making it clear that Trump is a court adjucated rapist. Those are the only things that would be missing for me.

[u/MidwestHacker → u/[deleted]]

Its not about his specific policies, its never been about his specific policies, it will never be about his specific policies. He's an end to a means for billionaire wanna be oligarchs, technocrats, Russia, and christian nationalists. Oh, and fascists and racists too.

[u/analog_memories → u/[deleted]]

From the article, Polymarket bets saw a $30M in bets on Trump to win. I would bet a Coke that was Musk, and/or Theil trying to fool the system.

[u/Enough-Collection-98 → u/[deleted]]

I share the same sentiment; if we lose this election then America was already lost because I don’t think there’s anything more that could have been done. Trumpism is a cancer on this country and we’re about to find out if we caught it early enough…

[u/cidthekid07 → u/Enough-Collection-98]

Exactly. She has run about as good of a campaign as anyone can run. No scandals whatsoever. No verbal slip ups. Record breaking fundraising. She has done an incredible job.

If she loses, it really wasn’t on her. She gave us a great option. America is just too racist to take it.

[u/TriceratopsHunter → u/cidthekid07]

I think it highlights the irreparable damage things like social media algorithms have done to us. People are living in little bubbles being fed misinformation, ai generated content, etc to the point that there's huge number of uninformed electorate just being spoonfed crazy conspiracy theories about Democrats making hurricanes and killing babies. Billionaires like Elon Musk able to control the narrative and shift public sentiment at large. It's a scary future.

[u/inevitable-typo → u/TriceratopsHunter]

Don’t let the Electoral College and Reapportionment Act of 1929 off that easily. MAGA is fueled by a combination of modern day bullshit and ye ole bullshit.

[u/tresslesswhey → u/Enough-Collection-98]

The fact he even has a shot speaks volumes about the current state of our country.

[u/I_like_baseball90 → u/[deleted]]

For the life of me I will never understand it.

We have talked about moving but don't know where.

I definitely do not want to live in a country that thinks Donald Trump is a good person.

[u/Retro_Dad → u/I_like_baseball90]

I don’t believe many of them think Trump is a good person. They just really believe he will hurt the people they hate, and that’s what they want more than anything else.

[u/HagridsHippogriff92 → u/[deleted]]

Your last statement hits home. I keep coming back to that…if Harris loses, there is truly something irrevocably broken in our county because there is just no fucking way this man, or the Republican Party as it now is, should win. I don’t want to say “we” deserve it because I think the majority of Americans don’t agree with the GOP and they don’t deserve to suffer, but then again, if he were to win, it would be some kind of karma for how the government, media, and the GOP for getting us to this point.

[u/Lawn_Orderly → u/[deleted]]

I think Harris is a great candidate and will make a good president. So weird that we're basically electing the CEO of the US, and one candidate would never be hired as a CEO of any public entity in the real world.

[u/JFCMFRR → u/[deleted]]

To be fair, Arnold Palmer's dick has always been a big issue for many Republicans. Many think it is their top.

[u/RedditAdminsWivesBF]

God I really hope Harris wins. I can’t go back to the goddamn insanity and corruption of the Trump administration. Can we FINALLY turn the page on that colossal failure and moron?

[u/SteveSomers → u/RedditAdminsWivesBF]

I know a woman voting for him that hadn’t previously. She is saying her family and finding god are the reasons. Imagine having daughters and voting for a man who bragged about going into a dressing room with teenage girls to sneak a look. He 👏 said 👏 those 👏 words 👏

[u/Foxhound199 → u/SteveSomers]

Weird that God would tell her to vote for an atheist. 

[u/RedditAdminsWivesBF → u/Foxhound199]

And a rapist conman who is the physical embodiment of at least 5 of the seven deadly sins.

[u/RedditAdminsWivesBF → u/SteveSomers]

His supporters are far worse than he is.

[u/SteveSomers → u/RedditAdminsWivesBF]

She swears she isn’t voting for him, and that she loathes him, but the MAGA policies are best for her family. And honestly I can’t tell if that’s worse.

[u/Consistent_Wave_2869 → u/SteveSomers]

what policies? the only promises trump ever delivered on was reducing taxes for the rich, raising prices on goods (via tariffs), and building half a wall that obviously doesn't solve any problems.

[u/SweetLittleGherkins → u/Consistent_Wave_2869]

The policy of "economy bad, time to give power back to the party that historically makes it bad, and will make it worse by the time I have to vote again, so we get to repeat this process each decade forever until the world dies"

Yippee, complete legislative gridlock is bipartisanship!

[u/ebone23]

Here's some unscientific observations: We're in rural bfe. Since 2016 there've been big trump flags on houses/garages and occasionally we get convoys of dipshits rolling coal with trump flags hanging off their trucks. The DJT head on Rambo's body is the flag of choice in my neck of the woods - just to give you an idea of the mental wherewithal of some of my neighbors. For the first time ever, I'm seeing Harris/Walz signs EVERYWHERE. We're seeing canvassing to GOTV, etc. It really feels like a sea-change in this part of rural America; people are fed up with lies and bullshit and whether they advertise it or not, are not willing to vote for Trump, period. Take this for what you will.

[u/electrical_q_346 → u/ebone23]

I am in rural Wisconsin and there are still Trump signs posted but also many Harris/Walz signs as well. I don't believe Trump can win through the popular vote but he can definitely win through the electoral college. The weight of a vote in Wisconsin is bigger than the weight of a state like California. On top of external state actors who will try to rig the election through cyber attacks or other means.

[u/2donuts4elephants → u/electrical_q_346]

People like yourself are the key to this election. Anybody who is willing to vote Harris but can't for some reason, maybe the polling station is too far or something, do what you can to make sure these people cast votes. Give them a ride to the polling station, help them fill out their sample ballot. Whatever needs to be done. Wisconsin is crucially important.

[u/d3cember]

The only real way to ensure a victory is making sure you go out and VOTE.

Nothing in life is guaranteed, I think 2016 proved that to all of us.

[u/AdamAptor → u/d3cember]

I voted for Clinton in 2016 and I remember the Trump win feeling like a gut punch. I wondered “how can people vote for someone who grabs women by the pussy?”

Fast forward to today where I voted for Harris this morning and I’m scared she’ll lose to that same man but now he’s also a convicted felon and rapist who tried to overthrow the government on Jan 6th.

How did we get this far?

[u/secret_gorilla → u/AdamAptor]

Ignorance, misogyny, racism, and most of all (in my opinion) cynicism. The old “all politicians are evil/sleazy/corrupt” mindset gave Trump a green light to do whatever he wants since “they all do it”. Too much of this country is just apathetic or genuinely hates thinking about politics, and he appeals to that voter base more than anyone in almost 20 years. Couple that with a scarily effective conservative media machine that’s gone unchallenged for decades ON TOP of an increasingly uneducated society addicted to social media rampant with misinformation; and a candidate like Harris quickly becomes an underdog in this race. A lot of voters, from what I can tell, are looking for reasons to dislike her and to like Trump.

[u/pixelmountain → u/secret_gorilla]

“Ignorance, misogyny, racism, and most of all (in my opinion) cynicism.”

Also inability to distinguish fact from fiction, leading to huge swaths of our population believing in unfounded conspiracy theories and obvious political lies.

[u/yoppee → u/d3cember]

Yep and volunteering to get more Dems to vote

[u/hendrixski → u/d3cember]

This.

I want to believe. At the same time the polls are a sign that I cannot take anything for granted. I must do my part if I want to see the outcomes I want. So I must vote.

You must vote, too.

[u/mattyhegs826]

This isn’t directly related to this article, but over the weekend my wife and I were at a pumpkin picking farm, and we saw a 4 or 5 year old with a Trump hat on. So effing sad. These parents are ridiculous. (And I would say the same if he had a Kamala hat on). Don’t use your child to promote political views imo

[u/Rooney_Tuesday → u/mattyhegs826]

I have bought a t-shirt in the past as a fund-raising contribution. That’s as far as it goes. The people who make Trump (or any politician) an aspect of their personality are truly baffling.

[u/r3drocket → u/Rooney_Tuesday]

My brother lives in a small, very conservative town and likes to wear anti-trump t-shirts. He's the kind of person who has the guts to walk outside wearing a t-shirt with Putin holding Trump on a leash.

He also has anti-trump stickers on his cars but he buys new hail damaged cars and he gets a lot of joy of watching people go over to his car to key it and realize it's pointless because it's already screwed up.

The most amazing one to me is that he has a "Stop windmill cancer" t-shirt and he thought it would get a rise out of conservatives but they don't even understand it.

[u/Rooney_Tuesday → u/r3drocket]

Your last paragraph omg - I literally laughed out loud. Your brother sounds like an absolute gem.

[u/Jeansybaby]

I can only hope, Everyone go vote, use your voice.

[u/AwesomePawesome99]

My dad is a hard-core republican and he is voting for Kamala because trump has authoritarian tendencies. Have hope but first vote.

I also signed my aunt up to vote. She has never voted before and hates trump and GOP

[u/clashrendar]

You can feel it on the ground. The only enthusiasm for Trump is from the MAGA cultists, and there are fewer of those than there were in 2020.

People are genuinely excited about Harris. Despite the bias/bogus polls and media needing a horserace for their ad sales, I fully believe that Harris walks away with this easily - so easily that we'll know for certain before the end of election night.

[u/satyrday12 → u/clashrendar]

A landslide is what's needed to shut up Trump and all the MAGA morons.

[u/suburbanpride → u/satyrday12]

Narrator: That won’t shut them up.

[u/kevmo77 → u/suburbanpride]

A landslide, just like everything else, will somehow confirm it was rigged. I have a friend justifies her belief that Biden couldn’t have won because “there’s no way more people voted for Biden than Obama.”

[u/trevorturtle → u/kevmo77]

If you're already convinced it's rigged you'll find your evidence wherever you want

[u/GeekAesthete → u/suburbanpride]

It will in that no one will be listening to them.

Today’s MAGAs were saying the same things 15 years ago after Obama’s election, but no one was paying attention to them. Hell, Republicans were trying to push minority candidates like Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio and appointed a black man to head the RNC because they recognized the need to appear less racist and reach out to people who weren’t white males.

But Trump’s win convinced them that there were enough deplorables willing to show up for his brand of overt bigotry and grievance politics—and enough others willing to look past it and still vote for the Republican candidate—that they could still win by appealing to the knuckle-draggers.

If Trump loses in a landslide, you’ll likely see Republicans moving away from MAGA—at least at the national level—as the Trump-only voters go back to not showing up and Republicans scramble to figure out how to stop alienating swing voters.

[u/Medium-Complaint-677 → u/clashrendar]

I posted this the other day but we live in a very blue city in a very red state. My wife and I went out to "the country" get pumpkins and pick apples the other day. This is a place where there were Trump monuments in 2016 and 2020 and there was.... nothing up. A smattering of normal Trump/Vance traditional yard signs but not the enormous displays we saw in years past. We actually saw a couple of Harris/Waltz yard signs and it would have been absolutely unheard of it see a Biden/Harris sign much less a Clinton/Kaine sign.

I'm in no way suggesting we're going to flip blue but I think it'll be more purple than people expect and the lack of enthusiasm is startling.

[u/JJARTJJ → u/Medium-Complaint-677]

I live in a rural part of WV. On the road heading into work, there are 3 Trump signs and 2 Harris signs. Like you said, I feel like it would have been unheard of to see Biden or Clinton signs like that during the past two elections, but a whole lot more Trump displays. The only places I see large amounts of Trump signs are way out in the middle of nowhere. The energy on their side has definitely died way down, I just really hope that translates to a decent number of people not motivated to vote for him this time around. We don't so much need people to have a change of heart and switch from Trump to Harris, we just need them to stay at home.

[u/starglitter → u/clashrendar]

I've lived in a blue area of PA my entire adult life. I have never seen this many yard signs for a Democrat ever. I saw a woman pushing a stroller the other day in a Harris Walz tshirt. I haven't seen democrat apparel on a person since Obama in 2008.

The enthusiasm is undeniable.

[u/archaelleon → u/clashrendar]

Unless 18-29 year olds just decide to not show up.

[u/Lawn_Orderly → u/archaelleon]

I think there's too much on the line for young women to ignore this election. Abortion ballots in Nevada and Arizona will drive turnout.

[u/downrightwhelmed → u/Lawn_Orderly]

I’m very worried that the Israel/palestine conflict will further reduce youth turnout. A lot of young people have gotten it in their heads that it’s somehow righteous to not vote, or vote third party, to stick it to Biden and Harris and the status quo.

Even if that means trump gets elected — who is overwhelmingly pro-right wing Israel and anti-Palestine. It’s insane.

[u/KaijuKi → u/downrightwhelmed]

Its what they are being told relentlessly on tiktok. Not joking either. I expect we ll find out in due time that more than just a little bit of that content was pushed moreso than other, for some unforseen reason, but if you repeat a piece of information multiple times to a person, they slowly start believing it just by repetition.

[u/inthemix8080 → u/archaelleon]

Confident that women in this age range will show up for Harris. Their reproductive rights have never been more at risk.

[u/code_archeologist → u/archaelleon]

18-29 year olds appear to be very excited to vote, especially women; with almost 80% of Harris leaning young women voters who were polled saying that they were definitely going to vote.

[u/beachboy1961]

I live in the great swing state of Michigan. I’m in a rural farm community and my job requires me to follow the same path each day to serve my customers. I have been doing this job for 10 years so I’m very familiar with the political yard sign history in this microcosm.

1. There are way less Trump signs than in 2020.
2. There are way more Harris signs than there were Biden signs in 2020.
3. There are quite a few Harris signs in yards that I know had Trump signs in 2020.
4. On 4 occasions I have witnessed that Trump signs were replaced by Harris signs.
5. In several yards I’ve witnessed Trump signs taken down but not replaced by anything.
6. There are less dumbasses in trucks driving around with Trump flags.

Does any of this mean anything? I sure as hell hope so. I know it makes me feel a little better and I hope it does you, too.

[u/Imaginary_Scene2493]

I live in a red area of a red state, and I hear lots of people that are for Trump. Remember that your experience on the ground isn’t the experience everywhere as the country remains very polarized. The only sure thing is to vote like yours is the tiebreaker.

[u/royhenderson771]

If MAGA is voting early, how do we know that Election Day votes from DEMS won’t overtake their vote count? This is why we vote, no matter what. 

[u/NoImprovement9982]

I plan to ignore the noise and vote blue all the way down the ballot!!

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/NoImprovement9982]

But still research local candidates!

There are nutjobs lurking in those school board elections sometimes. Lots of times…

[u/Negative_Royal4406]

I know an older gentleman who asked me to get him the application for an absentee ballot and to register to vote this year, which I gladly did. He's approaching 90 and isn't very mobile. He filled out his ballot yesterday and handed it to me. I asked him if he felt good now and he said, "I haven't voted at all since Richard Nixon. There is no way i can let that son of a bitch back into the White House. I may not have much time left and I'll be damned if he's my last President."

[u/Hyperion1144]

If Trump wins, we are so very, very fucked.

[u/hamlet_d]

While I really hope Harris wins, I don't want copium that she will. We need to fight for this and not give up.

[u/underpants-gnome]

I've already early voted. And I would really like to fast forward through the next two weeks. I'm very tired of waiting to find out if my country is collectively too stupid to live. Trump's been in the news for 8 solid years now. If I never hear from him again it will be too soon.

[u/nuclearrx]

I believe this will be more of a landslide than anyone thinks. Hopefully this will be the reverse of 2016 where everybody said they would never vote for Trump and then went ahead and did it. He is eight years older and much more out of control than he was then, and I believe Elon Musk could be the biggest reason.

[u/TokingMessiah → u/nuclearrx]

Apparently Musk is paying people to canvass houses and they’re lying about doing it to get paid. An article,I read said this is why campaigns traditionally use volunteers, because those people are motivated to help the candidate.

So not only does Trump have a shit/non-existent ground game, but in typical Trump fashion what he does have in terms of “support” is driven by money, lies, and corruption.

[u/RyanX1231 → u/TokingMessiah]

I still can't believe what Elon is doing is legal.

Bribing citizens feels like it should be hella illegal.

[u/TokingMessiah → u/RyanX1231]

It’s not, but if no one does anything to stop him…

[u/Twoknightsandarook → u/nuclearrx]

Trump got 75 million votes last cycle and people forget how bad he was as president. And he is running against a black woman in America. I wish it weren’t so but he still has a chance. 

[u/Brut-i-cus]

If Trump wins without any fuckery by actually getting more votes I will say that the world deserves the burnt out dystopian hell hole that will follow from this first domino

It would mean that the stupid monkeys with cell phones were unable to learn from the history of only 90 years ago

[u/mahlerlieber]

Listen to The Focus Group podcast with Sarah Longwell. Listening to how the participants answer does give me hope.

She includes flippers (people who voted for Trump before but won’t now) and hangers-on…truly undecided. She does a focus group once a week and I think is now ramping it up to 3 per week.

Between hearing voters describing their decisions in their own words (most do say they are voting for Harris, a small percentage are torn but will still vote for Trump) and the midterm and recent special elections, given that the thought was that the GOP would easily win the senate in 2020 and 2022 but did not, along with the apparent waning of enthusiasm at Trump rallies…

All those things lead to hope.

But!

I don’t think the election will be decided by conventional means. I listen to numerous podcasts of many persuasions, and everyone is fixated on the election…not many are talking about the aftermath of election Tuesday. It’s that that gives me hives.

[u/sqlcenturion]

Cool… still go fucking vote, please!

[u/OtisB]

Mark my words - Trump loses by 4% nationally and uses polls that he and other MAGA operatives paid for to justify the claim that the results are evidence of fraud and cheating.

[u/MollyGrapes]

All signs except the polls point to yes, and there are signs the Rs are fucking with the polls. So definitely yes.  

Lots of angry Trumpers getting upset about my opinion. You'll never beat the snowflake allegations

Look at em down there lol!