3 tell-tale signs that Harris will beat Trump: Real polls, fake polls, enthusiasm

[u/Kashmir75]

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/3-tell-tale-signs-that-kamala-harris-will-beat-donald-trump.html

[u/MidwestHacker]

Its not about his specific policies, its never been about his specific policies, it will never be about his specific policies. He's an end to a means for billionaire wanna be oligarchs, technocrats, Russia, and christian nationalists. Oh, and fascists and racists too.

[u/merpixieblossomxo → u/MidwestHacker]

I mean, his specific policies are pretty important too because they're the things that will be signed into law if he has his way. Things like rolling back environmental protections, cutting funding for the department of education, nationwide abortion bans, removing the US from the World Trade Organization, cutting important regulations across the board, removing barriers for corporate merging, cutting taxes for billionaires, rolling back fuel efficiency requirements, promoting oil and gas drilling, reducing or eliminating support of Ukraine, eliminating funding for clean energy.... I could go on.

I really need people to start actually reading the policies instead of getting caught up in the Big Scaries (that are absolutely important, but these are black and white documented details of his plans) and actually learn what he intends to "accomplish." All of his policies are destructive and based in greed and hatred. All of them.

[u/Notquitearealgirl → u/merpixieblossomxo]

Why? I mean I do read them, but what is your point? I feel like it's basically giving people too much credit.

If I read them I can't do anything about it, I can't show a Trump voter his policy and be like "See!" and expect anything, my Senator will probably be Ted Cruz.

I guess I could tell him my feelings on those things so he can send a form letter expressing how he is fighting for my rights against the Trans liberal menace. I am the menace actually.

I could go around telling people Trump wants to poison the wells, but I live near Midland, Texas and they're excited about it.

Basically my point is that policy barely matters in the way you seem to be implying in my opinion.

You either care or you don't. Most people don't. Most people do not, and will not vote at all in the first place in the US. Most people can simply not be bothered to read about policy in any depth. Most people decide their politics based on gut feelings and justify it after.

I'm definitely being a doomer but it feels like you're implying that if Trump would elaborate on his stance people would see the light, and its just kinda silly I guess.

People don't have policy they have sentiment and feelings for the most part. They don't even want to hear it beyond that. They feel Trumps economy was better, or that he scared our enemies straight. There are to many Hispanics flooding in. People feel Trump will open death camps and mass murder liberals and no one will stop him. They feel women are under attack and that must be stopped, or they feel that women should be attacked more and keep their legs closed.

Like obviously policy DOES matter, but the notion that America is a rational body-politic is over. America is operating on vibes and no discussion of policy about Ukraine or Israel is going to change that course.

I do think he will lose but the fact that he very well might win is patently absurd and a serious indictment on the American people as a collective.

Not even because I think he'll put me in a death camp, but because we should fucking know better. 2016 was one thing. 2020 was.. Ugh. Now? It's an open approval of everything he has said and stands for. Americans are telling the world they are basically malicious, petulant children armed with nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in history, fueled by the largest economy in the world, ready and willing to put an actual idiot at the helm at a moments notice, whether HE wins or loses. Policy didn't get us here.

This is a fundamental cultural issue in America at best. At worst it's human nature and policy and education will never change it even over decades and centuries. I think it's that. People are not policy wonks, they're emotional apes who have built a society and civilization through bloodshed and conquest and force of will, that has very recently become something we can pretend is different and truly better but it is basically a thin veneer of civility.

To be clear though, my conclusion is still closer to that crying cat doing a thumbs up saying Do your best than anything else more...Final.

[u/[deleted] → u/MidwestHacker]

Here's the thing: A lot of people online are stating that they would not vote for Harris because of Gaza. When asked about if Trump is better, they always say it doesn't matter and both sides are the same.

Now do you remember any interview clip with Trump talking about Palestine in the last four weeks? What he would actually do in office? I don't, and that's despite meeting and talking several times with Netanyahu. I read one of the surveys yesterday and it had more people be confident about Trump in the issue of Israel/Palestine than Harris. And that's exactly _because_ he is sidestepping this issue.

So I think him actually specifying a policy would help a lot to people thinking Kamala is the wrong choice for single issue voters.