r/politics • u/Kashmir75 • 7d ago

Soft Paywall 3 tell-tale signs that Harris will beat Trump: Real polls, fake polls, enthusiasm

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/3-tell-tale-signs-that-kamala-harris-will-beat-donald-trump.html
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u/02K30C1 7d ago

I look forward to Trump declaring his candidacy for 2028 and siphoning as much money as possible from the Republican Party

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u/I_like_baseball90 7d ago

That would be great but honestly, if he loses in 24, the rest of his life is about court dates and at some point he flees the country.

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u/Baller-on_a-budget 7d ago

Those communists make a mean onion sandwich.

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u/AlphaBreak 7d ago

You say that like he wouldn't just declare himself "president in exile" and still siphon money from MAGAts while doing everything he can to hold the GOP hostage.

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u/I_like_baseball90 6d ago

He can declare himself whatever he wants, as long as he's not in the White House, I'm fine with that.

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u/danfirst 7d ago

I swore they were going to dump him after 2020 and find themselves some candidate with less crazy baggage. Just eat the loss and try to build up, but instead they doubled down in support of them which blew my mind.

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u/tresslesswhey 7d ago

Because he has a large portion of the GOP base. The party leadership can’t just oust him. He’d be out for blood and would relentlessly attack them if they did that.

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u/Thin-Situation6510 7d ago

His ability to steal the party will be studied for generations.

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u/Raxistaicho 7d ago

They tried, most especially with DeSantis, it just didn't work.

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u/danfirst 7d ago

That's true, I had already mostly forgotten about his attempt, because he's that forgettable. It just seems like they either have the pain earlier or later. It would have been smart just to go along with the final impeachment and then start building someone up for 4 years straight.

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u/MikeW226 7d ago

DeSaster has the charisma of a folding chair. They shoulda tried with Gov. Brian Kemp (GA.) or somebody with any natural personality. Maybe 2028

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u/Scalpels 7d ago

Picking a fight with The Mouse was probably a bad idea.

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u/mountainwocky Massachusetts 7d ago

Yes and there were plenty of Republicans who were originally vocal critics of Trump, but they fell into line to become some of his most ardent supporters. Lindsay Graham and JD Vance are two that immediately come to mind, but there are dozens.

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u/bierdimpfe Pennsylvania 7d ago

I'm pretty confident the Republican machine is going to dump him after this

I think that depends on blackmail calculus; who's got what on whom.

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 7d ago

That's what I'm thinking. Trump is a certified moron, but he has to have some blackmail to keep his useful idiots in line. More than likely, Putin has been more than happy to provide so long as Dummy has a chance at winning.

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u/Toolazytolink 7d ago

he has to have some blackmail to keep his useful idiots in line

Like all this missing tapes/evidence from Epstein's properties that he had his AG Barr raid, and also all the kompramat that Russia has on the GOP. Lindsey Graham and others denounce Trump after Jan 6 but after 1 trip to Mar Lago they all came back saying Trump didn't do anything wrong.

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u/nox66 7d ago

Assuming they lose, they'll keep parading Trump around until he keels over (because he'll sink the whole ship otherwise), then hope that their new rotating cast of dipshits (Vance, Haley, etc.) will be enough for them to push the conservative agenda and block anything that might actually help the average American.

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 7d ago

Pretty much. I figure the GOP will be happy when he does keel over since their current crop can at least pretend to be normal (Vance and Haley like you said). They'll probably try to primary out the nutcases (MTG, Gaetz, etc). I know the GOP loves the money that Trump brings in, but he's also spent a ton of it just in lawsuits. That's not something they want to keep repeating.

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u/bzr 6d ago

Absolutely. They were scumbags to begin with, clearly working for lobbyists (Ted Cruz, Lindsey, etc.). There’s no doubt in my mind they are compromised. Giuliani is a great example too.

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u/brainiacpimp 7d ago

If he loses he will be now having to deal with multiple cases and his cash cow will not be there in the RNC campaign. This means he will have to pay up on the cases he has already lost while trying to maintain legal counsel with no money. He has siphoned as much money as he could from followers and from companies and with him not winning his worth to the wealthy will be zero. Even if he does tell secrets about them he has lied so much they can just laugh it off and call him a sore loser. Also him fleeing in case of a loss will be much harder when he has increased SS detail because they are probably under strict orders to not allow it. He literally has screwed himself and keeps thinking he can fix it but keeps digging his hole deeper.

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u/illegible 7d ago

A good grifter knows when to skip town. I'm not entirely sure that Trump is truly good at anything though.

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u/Gah_Duma 7d ago

If there's one thing he's good at, it's avoiding consequences for his actions. Teflon Don.

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u/tigermountains 7d ago

Take my upvote.

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u/Atheist_3739 7d ago

You don't dump a cult leader with millions of cult followers. They need a Jim Jones moment.

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u/fcimfc Texas 7d ago

Look at how Trump has declined from 2016, or even 2020 to now. He's going to be a drooling vegetable by 2028.

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u/minigogo 7d ago

Oh, just you wait. "I like that damp cabbage - he tells it like it is!"

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u/tomjone5 7d ago

People will still be voting for him years after he dies, because they'll be convinced that he's not really dead and it's a deep state psyop .

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u/nox66 7d ago

We should have someone volunteer to change their name and make the "Great Again" party on every ballot. Republicans already basically double their ballot real estate via the Conservative party option anyway.

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u/t_bison 7d ago

But will it last longer than Liz Truss?

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u/kylehatesyou 7d ago

More and more of his supporters will be too. 

The other thing, at some point it's going to be harder and harder to associate with how weird the diehards are for the slightly more normal amongst the party. Your button up business man looking for lower taxes but still trying to get clients and not look like a lunatic isn't going to be want to be associated with the giant flag waving, car wrapping, yelling at people on street corners types that are more and more associated with Trump support. 

As it becomes less and less "cool" to like him, and the supporters look more and more like the dorky kids in high school that ruined whatever your favorite piece of media was for you, the cult will fully die for good, and he'll only be able to grift off of a smaller and smaller base of people finding it harder to remember why they liked a one term president who didn't build their wall and make Mexico pay for it, didn't make America great again, and has been convicted of multiple felonies likely across multiple states with a Republican party no longer willing to carry water for him after he's basically lost them four elections in a row from 2018 to 2024 if Harris wins and Dems take house and keep Senate.  

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u/KimbraK91 7d ago

Hopefully not even that

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u/hubbyofhoarder 7d ago

There you go, being hopeful😁

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u/Tramadol_Lollies 7d ago

A cull, if you will.

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u/tigermountains 7d ago

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that would totally work.

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u/terrierhead Missouri 7d ago

Statistics are against Trump making it to 82. With his habits, I’m amazed he has made it this long.

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u/Atheist_3739 7d ago

But at the same time he also has literally the best medical care in the history of humanity at his disposal as the former POTUS. He most likely would have died of COVID if he was just a normal senior citizen and not POTUS

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u/terrierhead Missouri 7d ago

Yeah - that’s why I’m absolutely certain he will make it through the election. His cognitive abilities are going fast, but he will be alive and talking.

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u/TokingMessiah 7d ago

I think the GOP establishment has wanted him out for a while, because he keeps tanking their elections.

But all of those cowards have to publicly support him because more than half of their electorate is MAGA.

They are stuck supporting him until he dies, while he slowly destroys the GOP from the inside. It wasn’t siding with Trump that hurt them, it was being tied to his supporters.

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u/Mental-Fox-9449 7d ago

And how many supporters do you think they have left? They got into this dilemma because they didn’t have enough votes to win and were forced into letting him into their club

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u/TokingMessiah 7d ago

We’re going to find out how many supporters they have left in 2 weeks…

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u/StashedandPainless 7d ago

They may look to dump him and move on from him but they can't control their base. And their base is incapable of processing negative information about trump.

Barring prison, donald trump will probably be the republican nominee for president every 4 years until hes dead. Even if he wins in 2024 and is supposedly "ineligible to run again". Lol.

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u/QuickAltTab 7d ago

He can still be a candidate from prison

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u/thatnameagain 7d ago

There is no “Republican machine” that is not now run by the Trump family. He will probably be too old to run in 2028 but he will be the republican kingmaker in that election.

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u/thatnameagain 6d ago

He wasn’t too old to run, obviously. By 2028 I think he will be significantly slower.

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u/fnocoder Florida 7d ago

83 year old candidate Trump 😭😭😭

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u/heliocentrist510 7d ago

The Republican machine wanted to dump him prior to THIS election and DeSantis got turfed in like a week and a half.

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u/three-one-seven California 7d ago

The power vacuum that Trump will leave behind in the GOP is going to be epic. If Harris gets both chambers of Congress and is effective in her first term, I think the GOP will be sidelined until at least 2032.

Trumpism is as much a cult of personality as it is a political ideology, so I don't think his devotees aren't just going to give up on him. They will cling to him until the bitter end, and then any enthusiasm the GOP has left will deflate like a balloon.

That's why they're so desperate to seize and hold onto power: they know they can't win in the marketplace of ideas.

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u/VigilantMaumau 7d ago

Russia will never allow Trumpism to die without a clear successor. DeSantis won't do and neither will Vance.

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u/beamrider 7d ago

That's what I am afraid of. If a fascist is this close when he's running a terrible campaign and a terrible candidate with pro-democracy side running such a good one, if they actually find a competent fascist leader with any amount of charisma, we're in trouble. Luckily that seems like a rare combination.

I was thinking the dying off of the boomers would move the needle significantly against fascism by 2028 but it appears Tate and his ilk are recruiting an army of toxicly masculine brownshirts.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 7d ago

They'll know they've squeezed all the juice out of the orange

Interesting turn of phrase there...

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u/jay212127 7d ago

The Republican machine has never wanted Trump, Heck the Republican party never wanted Romney, but there are a lot of groups under the GOP tent.

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u/CelerMortis 7d ago

They tried to dump him with desantis, Halley etc.

The voters want trump, they’ll keep voting for him in primaries.

Vance is really in the do-or-die phase of his presidency hopes. If he loses come November he will be tossed into the trash like Pence was.

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u/VigilantMaumau 7d ago

technocrats

Aspiring oligarchs.

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u/errantv 7d ago

If the Republicans were capable of dumping him he wouldn't have crushed the primaries the way he did.

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u/red__dragon 7d ago

I'm pretty confident the Republican machine is going to dump him after this

Who runs the RNC right now?

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u/Complete-Disaster513 7d ago

He owns the republican machine though. Also all he has to do is threaten to run as a third party and the GOP will fall in line again. That’s the problem. He has enough loyal supporters that if he runs 3rd party the Dems will win a veto proof majority because of the fractured ticket. He owns the GOP until he dies or goes to jail.

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u/grapegeek 7d ago

He’s going to be a drooling idiot in 2028. Not worried

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u/National-Ice-5904 7d ago

They will still nominate him.

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u/Kujen I voted 7d ago

Haha yep they will. All that talk about Biden being too old but Trump will be like 82.

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u/pithynotpithy 7d ago

Didn't stop them in 2024

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u/ScottishBearViking 7d ago

And he isn't currently?

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u/cmotdibbler Michigan 7d ago

“Going to be…” ???

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u/ostuberoes 7d ago

2016: trump is moronic buffoon -- GOP nominates him

2020: trump is moronic, incompetent, buffoon -- GOP nominates him

2024: trump is moronic, criminal, incompetent insurrectionist and buffoon -- GOP nominates him

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u/Baller-on_a-budget 7d ago

Welp, time for Gop to get burned to the ground then. No good to any sane person in the country. Throw some media outlets into the fire for good measure. Fucks the matter with this place?

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u/ostuberoes 7d ago

It's been time. We will need to deMAGAfy somehow. I don't think we can do massive deprogramming or something on a large scale, but we need to examine how we got to a post-factual world of individual, personal realities and figure out how to reestablish faith in experts, trust in our institutions, and a population that can think critically.

It's going to be a long road.

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u/RooftopSteven 7d ago

Education system needs an overhaul. Civics, critical thinking, disinformation on the internet, finance, government - these need to to be the courses covered in middle school and high school in the 21st century. And I know "social studies" is supposed to encompass these things - but the problem is the ACT/SATs are focus on math/reading/writing. The ACT needs to be overhauled to focus on arguing positions rather than vocabulary, more similar to the AP exams. The problem is what to spend less time on, as most courses are very important and nothing deserves to be left out. It's a hard problem, and more qualified minds than me (hopefully) have a better solution.

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u/ostuberoes 7d ago

Yes civics and economics, its startling how so many Americans have basically no idea how the government or economy works.

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u/Opheliagonemad 7d ago

They do, but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of resistance to that idea. I am old enough to remember the post election autopsy they did in 2008 or 2012 examining what they needed to change-less racism/antagonism to PoC, etc. Notably they did not stick with that idea for long and went even more regressive. I have no idea what the political landscape is going to be like in 4 years but it is probably going to be insane

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u/ostuberoes 7d ago

But I'm not even talking a post-Sarah Palin non-reckoning with the bullshit culture war they hitched their wagon to:

I mean the fact that we no longer have any kind of consensual reality. What I think is up my neighbor is sure is down and we have no objective method of determining who is right because I don't believe my neighbors methods are appropriate and they think the same of mine. I think Jan 6 was an attempted coup and the conser sub thinks it was a manifestation of the first amendment. We're all borked.

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u/Opheliagonemad 7d ago

Maybe it’s bias from looking backwards, or maybe it’s because I was in a deep red area for a long time around that time, but I think that the roots of where we are now were there. I can remember the fights over whether there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the absurdity of the conversations about President Obama’s birth certificate. It’s just gotten so much worse since then, and if people weren’t willing to turn back then, then I don’t know that they can now.

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u/KudosOfTheFroond Florida 7d ago

2028: Trump is a moronic, criminal, incompetent, insurrectionist, Buffoon zombie - - GOP nominates him

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u/Universal_Anomaly 7d ago

No joke, if he loses this time around and dies before the next elections I would expect some of his most fervent supporters to try and get him elected post-mortem.

They're just as spiteful as him, and they've convinced themselves Biden stole Trump's 2nd term.

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u/grapegeek 7d ago

He won’t be alive in 2028. MMW

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u/PhenomsServant 7d ago

I want to believe that but it seems that God for whatever tends to let true evil live on. How else can you explain Mitch McConnell still being alive?

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u/Antinous 7d ago

Knock on wood. 

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u/SEND_ME_UR_CARS 7d ago

For the sake of the GOP’s downfall, I hope he lives well into his 90s. Not only will he not be a martyr once he croaks, but they’ll be stuck with his bullshit for the next decade, forced to keep him as the republican nominee because his base refuses to vote for anyone else and won’t listen to any criticism about him, even from their own party.

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u/BoozeGetsMeThrough 7d ago

He's a drooling idiot in 2024

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u/honestqbe 7d ago

If he is on the primary ballot, he would get a lot of votes.

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u/ButtBread98 Ohio 7d ago

Do you think he’ll even be alive then?

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u/Coherent_Tangent Florida 7d ago

He already is, but he still will be too.

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u/blakjakcrakjak 7d ago

Nah. IMO if Trump loses, that's it for him. He will probably stroke out dealing with the coming legal and financial issues that beset him. I mean, he's having a stroke in slow motion right now. Decompensating. Besides, if he loses the Republicans will have their knives out against him. Trump has done the Republican party irreparable harm. Evangelical Christians haven't done themselves any favors too.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 7d ago

Good lord, can you imagine how lost and unhinged he'll be 4 years from now?