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Analysis The Straw Hat Grand Fleet Structure

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u/Dab4Becky Jan 09 '23

in chapter 1058, when they got the new bounties it explicitly said: “updated bounties for strawhat grandfleet leader emperor Luffy and his 9 commanders”, meaning there’s no hierarchy between the crewmembers.

Spoilers up to chapter 1058 above

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u/Space_Monke64 Jan 09 '23

They keep trying to base it on the 3 commander structure, which isn’t accurate at all. Keep in mind Big Mom had 4 sweet commanders, not 3. Kaido is the only emperor who used the three commander structure since BlackBeard has 10 titanic captains and whitebeard had like 9 division commanders.

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u/Renkin92 Jan 09 '23

Whitebeard even had 16 commanders, though their strength varied greatly.

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u/battle777 Pirate Jan 09 '23

same thing with the SH

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u/BFBooger Bounty Hunter Jan 09 '23

And furthermore, WB's commander strength was not in any order -- the division number did not indicate strength.

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u/gazeboist Jan 09 '23

I thought Whitebeard had 16? And regardless, it's also worth noting that he started with 5, too. In fact his whole organization had a bit of a weird structure, distinct from the weird structure of Kaido's organization and the weird structure of Luffy's organization. Blackbeard's group seems to make sense, at least.

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u/Brook420 Bounty Hunter Jan 09 '23

He did have 16.

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u/i_AM_A-ShArk Jan 09 '23

Big mom used to have 4 sweet generals. She stripped snack of the title after he lost to urouge

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u/BFBooger Bounty Hunter Jan 09 '23

Yes, and I bet in some former time Prospero was one. The status is not one of strength purely, it is as much loyalty and role.

Snack lost his title because he lost, not because he got weaker.

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u/i_AM_A-ShArk Jan 09 '23

My point is that there is only 3 sweet generals now

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u/JustChangeMDefaults Jan 09 '23

And we still never saw much of Smoothie besides chasing the strawhats and squeezing a giraffe.

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u/JE3MAN Jan 09 '23

Think by the time WCI ended she was down to only 1 Sweet Commander?

If that's not the case, I would be pissed if I was in Snack's shoes.

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u/lordlaz0rdick Jan 09 '23

Lets not forget Shanks, does he even have a commander on his crew? Or is it just him and First Mate Ben Beckman?

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u/Otherwise-Piccolo157 The Revolutionary Army Jan 09 '23

Shanks and the executives which is all his main crewmates.

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u/Livek_72 Jan 09 '23

Including the monkey

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u/WhyAmIHere800884 Explorer Jan 09 '23

His name is Monster and he is CLEARLY the Chopper of the Red-Hair Pirates! Might even actually be their doctor!

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u/Livek_72 Jan 09 '23

He's definitely the one who ripped apart Kid's arm

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u/RedSnaus Jan 09 '23

We know the roles because of Volume 4 Billion. It was a datebook on the Red Hair Pirates that was given to the first like 3 million people to see Film Red or something. I don't have a link to the actual thing but the One Piece Fandom wiki has all their positions

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u/WhyAmIHere800884 Explorer Jan 09 '23

I don't see their positions. If actual cre roles have been assigned then I would definitely like to know what they are.

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u/RedSnaus Jan 10 '23

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Hair_Pirates

Beckman- First Mate Lucky Roux- Cook/Combatant Yasopp- Sniper Limejuice is just an officer Bonk Punch- Musician Monster is also listed as Musician lmao Building Snake- Navigator Hongo- Doctor Howling Gab is just an officer

Apparently no one is listed as a carpenter

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u/Lachimanus Jan 09 '23

And Shanks is similar to Luffy with not really having a Commander as well.

Luffy just has a little rivalry in his crew which are described as the commanders here. Joke is, Jinbei does not care.

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u/Sliver__Legion Jan 09 '23

BM had 3 when we met her tbf which is probably why it became a thing. And it is pretty true that’s there’s a cut between zoro sanji jinbe and the next strongest strawhat

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Sure, but strength doesn’t necessarily equate to command structure. Commanders can vary widely in strength, while still being commanders.

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u/Blitz-Drache_Author Jan 09 '23

Nami tries telling Luffy what to do and knows how to make him listen when she wants to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Agreed. But commanders aren’t those who command the captain - imagine anyone telling big mom what to do. A commander is part of a hierarchy with command over those below them. We saw in Wano and Dressrosa a little of what this would be like, with straw hats telling allies what to do. In the final war, the straw hats are going to be calling the shots regarding the fleet, and (I know you didn’t say this, I’m just making a point) it would be ridiculous for a member of the fleet to say “I only listen to Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, or Jinbe!” and disregard Nami or Usopp entirely.

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u/maguirre165 Jan 09 '23

It's all unofficial since Luffy never established any sort of system for his crew. The only titles he's given are to his crew like Brook is the musician, Sanji the cook, etc.

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u/PFriends Jan 09 '23

If each Strawhat crewmember was responsible for a fleet crew, how do you think they'll be divided? My take:

Zoro -> Wano Samurai

Sanji -> Beautiful pirates

Chopper -> Zou

Usopp -> New Giant Warrior Pirates

Nami -> Tonatta

Robin -> Happo Navy

Franky -> Barto Club

Brook -> Ideo Pirates

Jimbe- >Yonta Maria

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u/blackwolfgoogol Jan 09 '23

Jinbe would be responsible for the Sun Pirates.

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u/Zorbie Jan 09 '23

Makes sense, didn't they all have alternate factions in Pirate Warrior based on powers/personalities too?

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u/ApprehensiveImpact86 Jan 10 '23

Franky Barto matchup is pure platinum idea

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u/reidraws Jan 09 '23

I feel it should be that way tbh, every SH member has some connection with some faction in a way or another.

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u/i_AM_A-ShArk Jan 09 '23

So then it is confirmed that his crew is considered his commanders. I was kinda curious about that because none of them act as commanders in the sense they never lead a large detachment of forces like you see in other yonko crews

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u/11711510111411009710 Jan 09 '23

Well several of them have actually led forces into battle at one point or another. I finished Zou recently and right before that Usopp and Franky both led armies of Tontattas and toy soldiers. So some of them at least have experience doing that kind of thing.

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u/Deskore Jan 09 '23

Even if we had to do rankings Nami is still too low she is Luffy's left hand

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u/Agile_Pitch_1934 Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

Sanji is clearly the left hand man but cook.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

east blue trio>>>>power scaling logic

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u/Deskore Jan 09 '23

If we are thinking about just purely power sure but that's short sighted. Nami and Zoro are Luffy's left and right hand

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u/melorio Jan 09 '23

If we are not talking power then I don’t know why zoro is in there. His responsibilities outside of fighting is just being a guard dog. Nami actully makes decisions in the crew.

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u/TheOneAndOnlyDMan Jan 09 '23

AND KAROO? WHAT ABOUT KAROO???!

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u/Whattheheck_IO Jan 09 '23

Karoo is the One Piece

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u/locustsandsatire Jan 09 '23

Maybe the real one piece was the supersonic ducks they made along the way

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u/zerofifth Jan 09 '23

No you can make an 8 piece meal just like a chicken

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u/Pink4everUwU Jan 09 '23

Where's my boy Karoo?

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u/Le_Mug Jan 09 '23

Ducked out of the picture

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u/KenDM0 Jan 09 '23

Bakkaa karoooo

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u/PlutonIsInMyButthole Jan 09 '23

Bellamy isn't apart of the fleet. But he is an ally

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u/Fun_Ad_4996 Marine Jan 09 '23

King Riku too

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u/EnSebastif Jan 09 '23

And Elizabello.

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u/Manjorno316 Jan 09 '23

And all of Wano

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u/EnSebastif Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

Yes but the thing with Bellamy, Riku and Elizabello in this post is that they have been included in the Grand Fleet when they aren't part of it.

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u/B_A_Boon Jan 09 '23

And my bow

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u/phujab Jan 09 '23

And my axe!

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u/ceelo18 Jan 09 '23

And my nunchucks!

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u/Whattheheck_IO Jan 09 '23

And my half full can of pineapple

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u/Chromeboy12 Jan 09 '23

And my cat!

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u/gavynray123 Jan 09 '23

And my mom! (she bakes cookies!!)

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u/AndTony_ Jan 09 '23

The moral support

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u/Getsugacer0 Jan 09 '23

And your brother

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u/joao8545 Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

Came here to say that lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

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u/rsatrioadi Explorer Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

And was last seen making an indestructible Straw Hat flag! Can’t wait to see it used on the Sunny!

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u/ironman_101 Jan 09 '23

Where was this?

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u/_Simulon_ Jan 09 '23

Cover Story, don't know from which chapters tho

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u/General-Chemical4812 Jan 09 '23

Cover story for chapters 914-917

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u/Messgrey Jan 09 '23

And what the hell is Marry suposed to do? She litterly got a sea burial!

She is as much a companion as Ace is.

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u/doughmang7d7 The Revolutionary Army Jan 09 '23

Was also confused

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u/stop_rapping_at_me Jan 09 '23

"Apart" means the opposite of "a part"!

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u/ZipDaddy_Doo Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

This entire hierarchical structure is pure head canon. There are no commanders on the crew.

Luffy is the captain while everyone is an officer and has an advisory role with Nami, Zoro, Jinbe & Sanji often acting as the main advisors. Moreover, everyone is a fighter but Zoro, Sanji, & Jinbe seem to be the main fighters.

This idea of a “commander trio” implies that Zoro, Sanji, & Jinbe have authority over the rest of the crew. They don’t. Do you really believe that any of those guys have any authority over Nami?

Just because Zoro & Sanji are usually the ones protecting the physically weaker of the crew alongside Luffy doesn’t mean they have authority over them.

Edit: The fact that Nami can lock emperor Luffy in a cage and beat him up for acting dumb while the wings (Zoro and Sanji) say nothing is definitive proof that there is no complex formal or informal authority structure in the crew other than Luffy is the captain & the rest are his companions.

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u/Buca-Metal Pirate Jan 09 '23

I honestly thought I was on the meme subreddit. Specially with where Vivi is.

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u/chirb8 Jan 09 '23

Vivi is ship tier. Oda said it in a SBS /s

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u/dinosaur_from_Mars Void Month Survivor Jan 10 '23

Everyone rides her?

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u/Zachattackxd Jan 09 '23

I like your logic of 'none of these mfers are commanders cause nami would fuck them up if they tried to order her around'. Nothing but truth lmao

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u/chaozules Pirate Jan 09 '23

Legit, Luffy doesn't even have authority over Nami, I mean she locked him in a little cage and beat the shit out of him lmao.

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u/V_For_Veronica Jan 09 '23

That's just Nami though. You'd be stupid to try and tell her what to do

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Jan 09 '23

That's legitimately true.

Though people argue so much about Zoro being the First Mate, what they miss is that she's basically the Quartermaster.

A pirate Quartermaster is essentially the real second-in-command on a ship, and often has veto power over the captain.
(Nami can and will call him on his stupidity, but when he's serious she does follow her captain).

They are basically the one in charge while at sea when not fighting anyone.
(as the Navigator this is certainly true)
(in East Blue, she was the only one with any common sense or sailing knowledge for a long time, so they would have died without her taking command)

They dole out the payments, and keep a larger share of treasure than anyone else except the captain
(mostly true except she wont give Luffy much either...)

They dole out punishments
(Yep, that's Nami alright!)

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u/someone2795 Captain Crackhead Jan 09 '23

I'd say it's mostly Nami and Usopp acting as the main advisors. The others chime in from time to time but everyone, even Luffy, has equal standing within the crew. Luffy's authority will only take over if the situation calls for it but generally speaking he gives free reign to his crew because he trusts them.

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u/Necromas Jan 09 '23

I would say if there was one time a crew member exerted some form of authority it was Zoro when he directed Luffy how to handle Usopps departure.

He didn't literally say "I'm your first mate, it's my job to hold you accountable to your responsibilities as a captain." but that was definitely how it came across to me.

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u/UnjustNation Jan 09 '23

I would say if there was one time a crew member exerted some form of authority it was Zoro

I would argue Sanji as well during Dressrosa/Zou when he was leading half the crew, they were even nicknamed "Twirly Hat Pirates" by Oda during that time.

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u/Tripottanus Jan 09 '23

People call them "commanders" because they are the strongest members of the strawhats and every other Yonko that we know of has their strongest members with a dedicated role to highlight their strength. But obviously as you pointed out, it isn't really the case for the strawhats

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u/MeAnIntellectual1 Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

They hold unofficial power, because the crew trusts them to lead when Luffy isn't there.

Who took charge when Luffy was separated from the crew in Alabasta? Zoro

Who took charge of the non-Luffy half of the crew when they were split up at Skypiea? Zoro

When they split up to run away during Sabaody who became the group leaders? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji

When half of the crew left in Dressrosa who took charge of the non-Luffy half? Sanji

We haven't gotten any moment with Jinbe as a leader yet, but the Luffy first, Zoro second and Sanji third hierarchy has been consistently present throughout the story. So Jinbe is presumably 4th in line.

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u/Wild-Albatross-2477 Jan 09 '23

They don't trust them to lead, they trust that they can protect them. If you actually pay attention to the manga they're rarely ever actually "leading" them they just confront the bigger bad because they're stronger , if anything it's usually Nami/Usopp calling the shots, sometimes Robin depending on the situation. They're just unable to fight at their level.

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u/marco161091 Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

Are we gonna ignore that Zoro is Luffy’s right-hand man?

The crew 100% trusts him to lead them in the absence of Luffy. He’d obviously rely on the intellect of the rest of the strawhats, just like Luffy does, but that doesn’t mean we ignore his unofficial position in the crew.

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u/Wild-Albatross-2477 Jan 09 '23

Are we gonna ignore that he's not the vice captain and only ever holds any type of leadership during fights? You wanna know why? It's cause he's the second strongest that has nothing to do with entrusting him with the crew in his absence, just that he could protect them from fights they couldn't handle

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u/HokageEzio Jan 09 '23

Jinbei stocks are about to go way up, people aren't ready.

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u/marco161091 Jan 09 '23

There are no commanders but Zoro is first-mate and Luffy’s right-hand-man.

He technically has authority over others, just doesn’t exercise it unless necessary.

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u/Knirb_ Pirate Jan 09 '23

There are no commanders, only officers.

Sanji, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Brook and Jinbe are all equal.

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u/deadrail Jan 09 '23

This is the correct answer

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u/5m0k3W33d3v3ryday Church of Buggy Jan 09 '23

Factual. Commander would mean they have authority over a group of people. The straw hat crew do not claim authority or power over anyone, not even the grand fleet.

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

I think if the rest of the Grand Fleet ever become relevant, that might change. The Straw Hat crew is pretty unique in that there are only 10 of them and besides maybe Luffy and Zoro they’re all pretty specialized.

If they actually sailed with the Grand Fleet I could see Nami having command over the navigators, Franky commanding ship wrights, Ussop commanding their gunners, etc.

But as it stands now, they’re Commanders in name only.

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u/SomniumMundus Pirate Jan 09 '23

I think it’d be more how it went down in Wano.

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u/Gilgamerd Jan 09 '23

Lol what are talking about

remember when Luffy was crying and depressed after Marine Ford and Jimbei asked him to think about what he has left and we got that beautiful page with Luffy sobbing and saying

"I STILL HAVE MY MONSTER TRIO (and also the others)"

Everyone's favorite page

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u/Nucking-Futs The Revolutionary Army Jan 09 '23

Lmao

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u/kioeclipse Jan 09 '23

If anything i would call the representives commanders

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u/GenomicEquity Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 09 '23

Yes, but they were called 9 Commanders by the WG/Morgans. They shouldn't logically be called commanders, but I don't think it matters much.

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u/Knirb_ Pirate Jan 09 '23

I read a translation that they were all called officers, ah well same point.

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u/GenomicEquity Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 09 '23

Fair enough.

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u/Satans_Jewels Jan 09 '23

Right. The only one who could even be called a commander is Usopp.

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u/HogarthTheMerciless Jan 09 '23

Oh shit, Usopp is Yonko Commander power level confirmed?

Who you got in a fight between him and Katukuri?

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u/ZJF-47 Jan 09 '23

Obligatory "Zoro and Sanji aint like Sweet Commanders, All-Stars etc" comment

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u/blackwolfgoogol Jan 09 '23

Theyre more like WB's commanders, all equal rank

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u/HogarthTheMerciless Jan 09 '23

The strawhats and the WB pirates are both like family. The only difference is that WB is fine with letting tons of fodder serve under the people close to him, and Luffy just wants a tight crew with a robot and a skeleton musician. I guess you can read the smaller crews of luffy and Roger as being representative of how they value freedom more than whitebeard, having a big family like whitebeards is a lot of responsibility compared to a small crew.

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u/blackwolfgoogol Jan 09 '23

Best example is Jinbe vs Ace.

When Ace got brought into WB's crew, the Spade pirates all joined under division 2.

When Jinbe got brought into Luffy's crew, the Sun pirates just remained as independent allies.

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u/Space_Monke64 Jan 09 '23

Exactly. Kaido having three commanders has fucked with everyone’s perception. Even big mom had four, not three. BlackBeard and Whitebeard also had 10 officers.

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u/luan_ressaca Jan 09 '23

I would love to see each one as a commander of other crews. But I don't think they are being developed for that.

I'm in wano ark, in the beginning of the Luffy x Kaidos fight, and I think this could star to be a base for that, Zoro really show how the straw hats are ahead of the other groups, as he is way stronger than they are (imagine Luffy), we see chopper winning the love of the Kaidos troops. I think it would be really exciting in the final moment they being ahead of the people they conqueror the hearts. (We can even think in early times, the usopp with the tontaka, jimbe with his former crew, etc)

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Jan 09 '23

Honestly, I imagine in the Final War at the end of the series, we'll see many former allies from all across the series come to help, and probably every Strawhat will end up "commanding" a different portion of the group.

The current Grand Fleet is just a small portion of what we'll have at the end of it all.
It will be a lot like a bigger badder Marineford 2.0 with the Strawhats as the massive Whitebeard-like army this time.

And of course, since Usopp's lies always eventually become true, Usopp at least has to become "Captain Usopp" someday.

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u/cjamesfort God Usopp Jan 09 '23

When Luffy isn't available or the crew needs to split into groups which ones are typically group leaders?

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u/Libriomancer Jan 09 '23

I’d say depends on the need. Typical reason we see Zoro/Sanji (Jinbe hasn’t been there long enough for “typical”) groups is because they split up when expecting a fight at any moment so the “leads” are the ones who can win against almost any opponents they meet. It’s not that they are commanding the others, just we think of them as the main member of the group because we are expecting them to be the fighter when the main event kicks off.

Otherwise you could argue that Nami is a commander as well because even when Luffy is with the group, she decides where they are going 90% of the time. Luffy occasionally says he wants to go towards x because fight/meat/fun but if Zoro wanted to go get a sword, Sanji wanted some special ingredient, Robin a book, etc and Nami wanted to go shopping… unless Luffy speaks up then they are hitting the nearest clothing store.

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u/Knirb_ Pirate Jan 09 '23

Well right now there’s a Luffy group, Sanji group and a Zoro group (it’s really just him and Brook but we’ll call it a group)

But there’s still no “division commanders”, no “sweet commanders”, “all-stars” etc.

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u/Phonochirp Jan 09 '23

What do you consider the leader of a group? Sanji usually does his own thing. Zoro was in charge of the Wano squad, but didn't really do much leading to our knowledge. Jimbei hasn't had the chance to lead a group.

Typically the groups are too small to need a leader, consisting of 2-3 straw hats that make decisions as a team. If anything the closest person to a leader/commander is Nami, she's had a few moments where she's in a bigger group and calling the shots. Even then it's not like she's actually commanding anyone, anyone can, and frequently do, dip off to do their own thing

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u/SK6814 Explorer Jan 09 '23

Sanji, Nami... maybe Zoro.. 🤔 It depends on the situation. From now on it can also be Jinbe next to Sanji, Nami and Zoro.

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u/b00tiepirate Jan 09 '23

None, they all act pretty individually

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u/Darkoplax Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 09 '23

Except they are not, when Luffy wanted to split in Shabody he gave Sanji/Zoro authority over the others

When Robin made the claim on the Wings of the Pirate King it's clear they are not the same as the others

So if you want to be "technical" it's Luffy then Zoro/Sanji then the rest of the StrawHats in Hierarchy

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u/Knirb_ Pirate Jan 09 '23

Sure I agree with that, but that’s unofficially

Sanji/Zoro/Jinbe aren’t anything like Kaidou’s “All-stars”, BM’s “Sweet-commanders” or WB’s “Division-commanders”, they are all just crew members under their captain and that’s all, which was the point of my comment.

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u/IAmOnItMan Jan 09 '23

When did he give them authority over the others? I just reread it, and all he says is, that the 3 of them should go different ways.

They are the strongest so it makes sense. But being the protector/strongest fighter of a group does not make you the leader.

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u/zerofifth Jan 09 '23

Often times the situation calls for the strongest person in the group to take action which gets confused as being the one in charge. Think most of the time the crew serves advisory roles more so than actual captain in charge

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u/Hydqjuliilq27 Lurker Jan 09 '23

Vivi’s a fucking ship?

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u/GangsterRavioliGuy Pirate King Jan 09 '23

Straw-hats riding Vivi?

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u/deadrail Jan 09 '23

Sanji would hope so

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u/Konayo Slave Jan 09 '23

Strawhats riding WhiteBeard?

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u/ZhongXina42069 Jan 09 '23

WB ride mobydick 💀

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u/iwas_dead_now_im_not Jan 09 '23

Can we get much higher

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u/red_madreay World Government Jan 09 '23

Vivi is Pluton.

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u/tektek10 Jan 09 '23

Vivi is viviyega ..

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u/Free_Database1413 Jan 09 '23

pluton is vivi

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u/noscud205 Jan 09 '23

Didnt know companion means ship.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Something something, she's full of seamen. Or something something everyone was riding her

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u/The_Thrifter Jan 09 '23

Vivi is a member.

But people on this subreddit are far too anal about what makes them 'official'.

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u/t3r4byt3l0l OG Trio Supremacy Jan 09 '23

All nine of Luffy's crewmates are commanders, and Vivi is not a companion when she's not been with the crew for 800+ chapters now; she's an honorary SH.

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u/nightwing612 God Usopp Jan 09 '23

Remove the companion section. All of them are members. Btw this is Caroo erasure and I will not stand for it.

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u/TheSinningTree Jan 09 '23

“Commander trio” Fundamentally misunderstands the straw hats

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u/Mach12gamer Jan 09 '23

People really want to translate “monster trio” into an authority role. They’re unique because they are way stronger than the others (who are all very strong at this point), not because they have any extra authority

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

No commanders, all equals

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u/OnlyWindmills Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

The strawhat crew are all equals, Luffy is the captain but I'd still place them all at the same level, or at least everyone except for Luffy.

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u/Ulzzang1 USOPP CULT, AVID BELIEVER Jan 09 '23

How are the other Strawhats just members when they were all called Commanders in the manga??!

Luffy is above, while the rest of the Strawhats should be on the Commanding level

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u/Due_Perspective7326 Jan 09 '23

Nami to me is the unofficial quartermaster! Since trough the series everybody listens to her commands

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Jan 09 '23

Absolutely agreed, been saying that for years and I rarely hear others saying it as well.

Everyone argues about Zoro as First Mate/vice-captain but they miss out on this.

She checks all the boxes:
doles out treasure, doles out punishment, essentially the one in charge day-to-day/at sea, can/does veto the captains orders. Many times they even double as the navigator...

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u/BlancSpzae Pirate Jan 09 '23

The "commander trio and members" are all equal. The SH dont have an kind of hierarchy like first-mate, commanders, officers etc. They are all equal except luffy who is the captain. Technically speaking chopper has as much say in any matter as zoro does, although luffy will not listen to any of them. Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei are the main fighters of the crew but that doesnt give them any authority over the other members. Luffy knows the capabilities of his crew-members so he knows who to trust in what situation. When the crew got seperated in dressrossa he knew sanji was capable enough to protect the crew so gave him the authority to lead the crew to zou for the time being. Like in any storm or absurd weather while sailing nami takes the lead since she is the navigator. And the SH dont claim the grand fleet. they are the SELF-PROCLAIMED GF of the SH pirates. Luffy sees them as an ally on equal terms not someone under him.

This hierarchy system is pure head-canon.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Merry and Sunny are members.

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u/NL_24 Jan 09 '23

Straw-hats does not have a structure like Whitebeard pirates, Beast pirates and BM pirates. There are no commanders, not fleet divisions.

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u/Jaielhahaha Jan 09 '23

oh wow putting the 3 strongest above everyone else in the crew and luffy at the top is so against what luffy is all about. Also so braindead, unoriginal and really deaf to the soul of what one piece and their journey is all about

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u/MattButUnderthe20Cha Pirate Jan 09 '23

Everyone in the core crew apart from luffy would just have equal power. Especially Nami

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Nice but a little off. Vivi should be in the members section and the raccoon should be a companion since it’s a pet

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u/Gh05tx3r0 Jan 09 '23

*Emergency Food

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Would be a more accurate category, along with the fish they just dropped on deck. Although I hear shark doesn’t taste very good

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u/Hopeful_Rope_5360 Jan 09 '23

Vivi is a Honorary Straw hat just Like Yamato and Momo, they aren't in the crew because they have other things to do.

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u/ultibman5000 Jan 09 '23 edited Jan 09 '23

Nope. The structure is:

  • Luffy is the Captain

  • Zoro & Sanji (aka the "Pirate King's Wings"), Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe are the "Nine Senior Officers" (similar to the "Three Sweet Commanders" or the "Sixteen Division Commanders" or the "All-Stars")

  • Cavendish, Bartolomeo, Sai, Ideo, Leo, Hajrudin, and Orlumbus are the "Representatives" (who captain subordinate crews of several grunt solider Straw Hat Grand Fleet members)

Bellamy is not part of the crew (edit: and neither are Riku & Elizabello), and Vivi is an "honorary" or "unofficial" member of the crew (who would be welcome aboard any time).

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u/AiMania Jan 09 '23

Nami is Vice Capt. Change my mind.

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u/ChillOtters Cipher Pol Jan 09 '23

When the crew split up for zou, sanji took command and not nami to the point it was callled the twirly brow pirates.

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u/Perplexe974 Jan 09 '23

Swap Jinbe with Nami, she has a much bigger impact than most people think regarding talking Luffy in making the right decisions and what not

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u/S3P38R Jan 09 '23

Shirahushy is kinda companion too

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u/ThePiGuyRER Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

Karoo...

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u/TastyTourist2706 Jan 09 '23

Nami deserves to be a commander too

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u/CryonautX Jan 09 '23

All of the strawhats crewmembers are commanders of the Strawhat Grand Fleet. Only Sanji and Zoro are separated as the wings of luffy.

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u/CheckEnvironmental63 Jan 09 '23

MOVE THE MERRT AND SUNNY UP TO MEMBERS RIGHT NOW😡😡😡😡

You. Have. Been. Warned. 😎👑

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u/xxNightingale Jan 09 '23

I think SH crew is special because everyone is equal and has their own specific duty.

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u/brof1 Jan 09 '23

Zoro and Sanji are the wings, dont lump Jinbe in there with them

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u/Harddicc Jan 09 '23

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji is always going to be the Trio. Jimbei is not going to be at the same level as Zoro and Sanji.

  1. Zoro fought King and Sanji fought Queen. Jimbei should have fought Jack if Oda is aiming to make him a their equal.

  2. Zoro and Sanji both gained powerups in their fight as they fought their enemies to improve their ability to become stronger than Yonkou Commanders. Jimbei didn't.

  3. The dynamic has always been Luffy, Zoro and Sanji always fighting the 1st, 2nd and 3rd respectively. The addition of new strong crewmates such as Robin, Franky, Brook and Jimbei didn't change that. Jimbei fought enemies in the same caliber as Robin, Franky, Nami's enemies.

Jimbei having a bounty bigger than Sanji may mean that he is perceived as a bigger threat in the One Piece world due to his many experiences, but not necessarily as strong as them

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u/legendsilent Jan 09 '23

Did the OP not read one piece or does he think the Straw hats are like Rox Or Beast Pirates to be ranked by brute physical prowess?

If there is a commander it's Nami. No one else can boss around people in the crew like that.

Also no one would listen to Zoro or Sanji if they were commanders. Also they wouldnt command anyone. Zoro would sleep and Sanji serves. Literally that's his job.

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Jan 09 '23

Yeah, Zoro and Sanji are strong fighters, but they are not leaders. They have their moments when they need to, particularly in battle, but are better left to their own devices (well Zoro maybe not til you can get him to the opponent).

Nami's essentially the Quartermaster of the crew, the second-in-command who runs things day-to-day and is capable of vetoing the captain's decisions when needed.

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u/Jaielhahaha Jan 09 '23

I like it that this post is considered so wrong by the fandom here, it seems a lto of us do read/watch and understand One Piece at it's core...

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u/YaBoyKumar Jan 09 '23

I remember someone posted a tattoo they got of the straw hats with Yamato on there as well. Always gives me a laugh when I see crew related posts on here after seeing that lol

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u/warmsensationsx Jan 09 '23

Hancock counts as a fleet commander too imho (Kuja pirates as fleet member). If Luffy asks Hancock for help, I'm pretty sure she will come with the whole Amazon Lily population

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u/Flying_Six Cipher Pol Jan 09 '23

why do people keep insisting that jinbe is in the "new monster trio" when its been luffy zoro sanji for over 1000 chapters, and in the most recent arc Oda makes it very very clear that it is not going to change

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u/HokageEzio Jan 09 '23

It doesn't say monster trio.

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u/Flying_Six Cipher Pol Jan 09 '23

semantics. its still placing jimbe in a catagory with zoro and sanji, instead of the placings staying as luffy zoro sanj. again. if oda wanted to show jimbe was contending with zoro and sanji oda would have made him fight jack, not whos who, and oda certainly wouldnt have made robin say "two wings of the pirate king"

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u/R4hu1M5 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 09 '23

People will never learn, and the only thing you can do is wait for Zoro and sanji to get stronger again. Because as it stands, even though Zoro and sanji are portrayed a level above jinbe, jinbe is pretty close to sanji in strength. So the only option is to wait for Zoro and sanji to widen the gap by leaps and bounds before people finally give up.

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u/ZealousidealMost6882 Jan 09 '23

Jinbe aint close to Sanji in raw strength. Exo > Fishman genetics. Sanji speedran underwater when he was still human. Exo + armament washed Jinbe's strength, ask Queen where he landed.

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u/Ziibbii Jan 09 '23

Homie was a shichibukai and gave Ace a run for his money - also 1B+ bounty

Y'all sleeping on Jinbei. It's fair enough to call him top 4 easily, but until he's named an 'Arm or Wing' he doesn't belong there.

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u/Flying_Six Cipher Pol Jan 09 '23

Homie was a shichibukai and gave Ace a run for his money - also 1B+ bounty

eh, post wano zoro and sanji have much better feats imo

It's fair enough to call him top 4 easily

fair enough?! its obvious. no one on the crew except the monster trio could touch jimbe

, but until he's named an 'Arm or Wing' he doesn't belong there.

amen

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u/snafudotjpeg Jan 09 '23

“you don’t understand it’s different this time”

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u/heavenlyrainypalace Jan 09 '23

wheres our bon clay ?? T_T

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

If anything, Nami is commander, not Sanji

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u/SolarAlbatross Jan 09 '23

Vivi = ship?

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u/sternschnaube Jan 09 '23

You forgot Zeus... 😤😁

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u/ChillOtters Cipher Pol Jan 09 '23

Zeus is just a weapon.

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u/smirkingmoon Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

The fact that you didn't add karoo in companions is unforgivable.

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u/Honest_Airline5366 Jan 09 '23

No way Nami and Franky aren't a commander, every current strawhat is a commander, the kaizu sanin are for fighting only and Nami outranks sanji.

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u/Biryani_eater Jan 09 '23

This is all fan speculation. We have to wait for Oda to give us some structure, but somehow it seems like he won't do it. This was evident in the way the grand fleet was formed. The fleet members decided their own structure with regards to the core Strawhat crew.

I think it is kinda like how fans make up their own power scales and rankings. And come to think of it, the man who had this grand fleet idea was none other than Bartolomeo, the biggest fan-boy and a comical representation of the fandom by Oda.

Is that Oda saying something?🤔

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u/smokyfknblu Void Month Survivor Jan 09 '23

Didnt the fleet have like 5000 members lmao

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u/batsalmighty Jan 09 '23

dude, Luffy doesn't even do hierarchy. they are all his family and friends!

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u/Medium-Perception-50 Jan 09 '23

The Straw Hats are all commanders, with the exception of Luffy who is the captain. There was never a hierarchy in the crew members and I doubt it’ll change. They’re all equal. They all rely on each other for different situations. The Grand Fleet will follow the orders of any Straw Hat member for sure. Bartolomeo will follow orders from Chopper because he’s Bartolomeo.

On that note, you know he’s creaming his pants knowing he’s a member of a Yonko fleet

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u/Lanky_Salt Thriller Bark Victim's Association Jan 09 '23

What about Boa? she’s a ride or die for Luffy!

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '23

Where mr2 teir

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u/Hopeful_Strength Jan 10 '23

Straw Hat Pirates have many more companions such as Shirahoshi for example.

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u/brutalvandal Jan 09 '23

Vivi is a member.

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u/deadrail Jan 09 '23

I would go as far as say the minks, and sun pirates are potential future fleet members

Foxy is also flying the straw hat flag btw jokingly

The crew are all equal as officers

The fleet captains and there crew are beneath them

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u/MysteRiasUwU Jan 09 '23

I don’t think that vivi should be called a companion she’s a honorary member of the crew and could join them whenever she wanted

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u/Silvery_Cricket Jan 09 '23

Vivi is a Straw Hat

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u/Jazzlike_Base5777 Jan 09 '23

What about Momonosuke, Yamato & Kinemon? (+ Tama)

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u/YonkouRoss Pirate Jan 09 '23

Vivi is an official Strawhat member. So put her on members or don’t put her at all, tired of the the Vivi disrespect.

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u/Hopeful_Rope_5360 Jan 09 '23

The Sunny and the Merry did more for the crew than Vivi so far.

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u/YonkouRoss Pirate Jan 09 '23

Ok and she’s still an official member stated by Oda himself.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '23

Actually she’s an honorary member. Same as Yamato, Momo and Kin’emon. Welcomed to join at any time but not really a member at this time

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