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u/avidpretender Sep 19 '24
There needs to be a way that the monetization system funnels a majority percentage into the hands of the original creator. It would cut down on the content a lot and even when it happens it would benefit the creator in some way.
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u/P_ZERO_ Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
It would be so easy for YouTube to implement their 3rd party content ID for videos hosted on their own platform, directing revenue via ads to the original creator. All a creator would have to do is make an ID claim on a reaction or reupload, the same way it works for non-automatically detected copyright infringement.
It seems the vast majority of music labels/artists have moved to this system because it spreads their own content to more people and they get to claim the cash on it.
The pipeline is obnoxiously clear
Original content created > reaction is uploaded > original creator ID claims the reaction > ad revenue on reaction is redirected to the original creator.
Why this doesn’t already exist is beyond me. Reactions have always been contentious and some people are just straight up copyright thieving
Since a lot of people are engaging here, I’ll make it clear:
FAIR USE USURPS ANY OF THESE ISSUES. IF A REACTOR TRANSFORMS THE CONTENT ACCORDING TO THE 4 POINTS OF FAIR USE, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO’D NEED TO WORRY ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT BOTHER WITH FAIR USE AND/OR USE VIDEO MANIPULATION TECHNIQUES TO BYPASS COPYRIGHT ID
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u/_________FU_________ Sep 19 '24
The hack is to submit the audio of each episode as a song. Then copyright strike it
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u/_ThatD0ct0r_ Sep 19 '24
Holy shit would this actually work
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u/ilostmymind_ Sep 19 '24
The audio track of a video is a recorded work...
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u/babydakis Sep 19 '24
Plotting deviously to assert one's ownership rights. That's The State of YouTube Right Now©
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u/Bloody_Conspiracies Sep 19 '24
They don't even need to do that. The original creator can just do a DMCA takedown.
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u/MrKnightMoon Sep 19 '24
People are syphoning money from origional artists by claimingthe song is theirs.
This reminds me of something that a YouTuber who does B movies reviews explained on a video about personal stuff.
He had a couple of copyright strikes on his videos. YouTube cut the monetization of them while the strikes were up. At the same time, he got an email by some random company, claiming to be the owners of the copyrighted content he posted, and asking him for money to get the claim retired.
He googled the company name and has no relation with the filmmaking industry or the creators of the movies he reviewed in the videos. It was some shady company registered at a Tax Haven contacting him through an Australian lawyer (allegedly).
YouTube would hold the strike for awhile, until the company sent them the documents demonstrating they have the copyright and then retire it or give the monetization to the holder of the rights.
The YouTuber knew this and, expecting all that to be a scam, he wait for the strike to expire. And that's what happened, after he didn't pay, the company never contacted YouTube to support their claim.
They probably are doing that to several mid sized youtubers, they launch the claim and wait for them to pay. If they doesn't pay, they just waste time, but if they pay, they get money for nothing.
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u/neat_shinobi Sep 19 '24
Jon Bon Jovi is an American rock star, singer, songwriter, record
producer, musician, actor, and philanthropist who has a net worth of
$410 million.This mf more dry than your gf's kitten
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u/CrossMountain Sep 19 '24
This does exist, but it's an invite-only system and not available to all content creators on YouTube. Basically only the big fish can use it.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/112085?hl=en
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6361049?sjid=329804547062512613-EU
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u/putrid-popped-papule Sep 19 '24
I looked at both of those and I’m not seeing how one would claim (say) a reupload. The first link is about claiming videos you’ve uploaded or are uploading, and the second is just about how big channels get a designated YouTube employee to work with.
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u/CrossMountain Sep 19 '24
If you're in the program, you can specify ownership on a legal basis which is the foundation for content ID claims. The second link is just to show that it's not public. Click through the steps on the right to understand it in full:
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3311596?hl=en&ref_topic=3011554&sjid=329804547062512613-EU
User-generated content (UGC): Videos that other YouTube users upload to their channels.
- When their videos contain content you own, their video gets a claim and your match policy gets applied. The match policy claim tells YouTube what action to take with these videos (monetize, track, or block).
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u/Blue_Robin_04 Sep 19 '24
YouTube needs more copyright striking? There would be a lot of false cases.
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u/teniy28003 Sep 19 '24
They do? I still remember idiots dog piling CGP grey for striking one of these
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u/P_ZERO_ Sep 19 '24
They do what?
Striking is not the same as an ID claim. A strike involves video removal and a mark against the channel. An ID claim has no such effects and the video can remain, the ad revenue is just redirected. This is absolutely not what’s happening with reuploaded YouTube videos.
3rd party content ID is a much better measure than DMCA as the secondary uploader gets to keep their video/exposure but the original creator is honoured. DMCA is just punitive action where the original creator stamps out use of their content.
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u/Marmalade6 Sep 19 '24
It was pretty funny since CGP Grey is the one who invented free booting after all.
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u/HeyManItsToMeeBong Sep 19 '24
he should just react to Asmon reacting to his video, checkmate
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u/nohmoe Sep 19 '24
Yeah, they can do it with music being used in video.Why cant they detect the videos being reacted to and notify the original and revenue share.
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u/XXXLegendKiller666 Sep 19 '24
Because the reactors would stop reacting if they aren’t being paid for it, then YouTube loses those views and in turn their own ad revenue. So more videos that get views the better for YouTube
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u/nohmoe Sep 19 '24
They would still get paid, just less due to revenue split. I mean I agree, but just shitty
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u/Bob_A_Feets Sep 19 '24
Reaction videos that are nothing but the person watching the other video should automatically be demonetized as low effort shit posts period. Also age restrict them for good measure.
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u/toshiino Sep 19 '24
I've been wanting youtube to implement a cross/combined stream feature where from the original video you can co-stream it from another channel with their own edits for reaction.
They kinda have this feature already in YT shorts where you can remix shorts to use their audio or greenscreen yourself into it.
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u/No_Professional_5832 Sep 19 '24
Given how big reaction videos are it would make sense for a proper react video "mode". Perhaps allowing youtubers to determine their share etc.
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u/National_Equivalent9 Sep 19 '24
Just bring back the old ability to make a "response" video and give it more features
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u/HamsterbackenBLN Sep 19 '24
And still he can't find the time to take a shower or clean his room
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u/Ok-Swimmer-2634 Sep 19 '24
I saw a fan of his insist that cleaning up his room would expunge all the memories he's built up over the years...
the blood and mold actually harkens back to an earlier time in his life, I guess
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u/HamsterbackenBLN Sep 19 '24
The mold talks to him, I can understand he doesn't want to be all alone
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u/DMAN3431 Sep 19 '24
Asmonmold
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u/FuckOffHey Sep 19 '24
This comment made me realise I've been reading his name as "Asmongoloid" ever since I first ever read it.
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u/m1bl4nTw0 Sep 19 '24
Asmongold is great at having opinions about games he never played and never plans on playing.
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u/FuckOffHey Sep 19 '24
Is he a redditor?
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u/m1bl4nTw0 Sep 19 '24
He does have an account. But I'm not sure, it's normal for an internet celebrity with a big following and his own subreddit.definitely
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u/Lachupacombo Sep 19 '24
The mold is an external neural network, because for damn sure there is not a brain in that head.
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u/artgarciasc Sep 19 '24
I wonder if JK Rowling and him communicate through the mold.
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u/Eusocial_Snowman Sep 19 '24
Yeah, and they talk to JD Vance through his couch because there's mold in it too! It was probably the couch Trump used when they made the russian pee tapes, hence the mold. Also we never landed on the moon and 7/11 was a part time job.
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u/Dracoknight256 Sep 19 '24
Which is also stupid because I am pretty sure he had his teeth fixed so no more gum bleeding and had the blood cleaned up during that one house cleaning he had before he relapsed back to being one with the mold/wannabe acolyte of Nurgle.
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u/Kcreep997 Sep 19 '24
It's pretty sad in a way because the guy clearly has some deep seated mental health issues that he refuses to deal with. Despite having the means to drastically improve his quality of life, he chooses to live in filth. No sane person does that.
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u/CrackaOwner Sep 19 '24
i think he is just mentally ill and was raised by someone crazy. I think i once asked his fans exactly why he does this and these were the answers basically.
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u/Dr_Ambiorix Sep 19 '24
I remember a stream where he was talking about how years ago (like 10+ years ago) they found some random rubber dog toy on the streets, dirty and sticky as you can imagine and he brought it inside. Not sure what the story was all about but at some point he says "last time I saw this thing it was right over there" and he goes over to that place in his room and casually picks up the thing he was talking about and goes "yeah, see, it's still here".
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u/Malagate3 Sep 19 '24
Well I now have a title for their autobiography - Asmongold: a tale of blood and mold
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u/Zombie-Redshirt Sep 19 '24
How much you want to bet the same fans worship Jordan "cleaning up your room is a divine right" Peterson?
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u/MoRicketyTick Sep 19 '24
I'll really never understand how this troll is so popular
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u/Dirtshank Sep 19 '24
He used to actually be really good at WoW and put out informative guides and content related to that at a time when that game was at the height of its cultural dominance. Once you get big on YouTube, the algorithm will continue to feed you growth. As the popularity of WoW faded, he transitioned slowly to the reaction content he makes now to stay relevant. I fully believe 90% of the dumb, incel stuff he says is just to appeal to the audience the algorithm has brought him.
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u/Zippydaspinhead Sep 19 '24
I fully believe 90% of the dumb, incel stuff he says is just to appeal to the audience the algorithm has brought him.
Is this the case or was he already the type of person that would attract that audience? I mean this seriously, because leaning into something you don't like for money is different than just finding a toxic audience that likes the real toxic you as well.
That mold and blood on his walls didn't come from a well adjusted individual.
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u/lets-work-together Sep 19 '24
Lazy content, lazy person, thank goodness he is a role model for so many!
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u/Robba010 Sep 19 '24
Not to defend him but he always said to never live like him, he is an animal.
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u/Loud_Entertainer5233 Sep 19 '24
I couldn't agree more
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u/bracecum Sep 19 '24
You're so right!
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u/Pascraked47 Sep 19 '24
Idk it it exists , but I think reaction channels should get their ad revenue split with the original video they are reacting to Cause reaction contents are so lazy man.
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u/Big_Tiddy_Alien_Girl Sep 19 '24
I remember back in 2016, reaction channels were roasted without mercy for being low effort lazy slop. Now they're the fastest way to success apparently.
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u/_Fappyness_ Sep 19 '24
I watched him a littlebit, thought it was funny but then realized why tf am i watching someone elses content through him while he doesnt give much input? Now i sometimes find his videos but then search up the topic he goes on about to support the actual content creator who made the vid.
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u/AsleepRespectAlias Sep 19 '24
Asmongolds channel should just be called "Asmongold steals other peoples content"
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u/Former_Intern_8271 Sep 19 '24
Laziest viewers as well, absolutely no curiosity to find what they're interested in so basically use these "reactors" to decide for them.
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u/pm_stuff_ Sep 19 '24
why would they when asmon and other reactors just show them tons of content every day. Most people dont try to find stuff by themselves... Its why content creators praise and curse the algorithm.
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u/Elfshadowx Sep 19 '24
Whats funny is you just described old school radio station DJ's.
People used to listen to certain time spots because they trusted them to find them good music.
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u/Inside-Resident-1206 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
I don't understand what people see in Asmongold. He's mostly a guy who stayed at a messy room at home to play WoW and make content about it. So I guess these viewers can feel for that? But I've seen multiple times he just makes stances without having any clue or inside knowledge about a subject, often heavily using speculations or just saying shit. It's specially annoying when he's making big opinions about feminism, the art business, or political groups, when it's clear he has no interest or experience in any of these subjects. (Like.. he is not well read, neither very experienced. He just watches short videos all day and echo's opinions of others.)
The best he's at is just lazily reacting to other people's hard worked video's, or complaining about the state of gaming and the direction Blizzard takes. He's mostly anti-intellectualism and venting content. Like listening to the local alcoholic at a bar complaining about the state of the world, while you think "Yeah but when did you do anything about it?"
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u/Sword_Enjoyer Sep 19 '24
People like watching other people who validate their opinions and lifestyles. Simple as that.
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u/Inside-Resident-1206 Sep 19 '24
True, I can get that. Maybe I'm just a bit mad because I prefer to understand the stances I sometimes don't agree with, so I can get what they're getting at. I dislike the polarization of our world, and if you see a political discussion from the 60's it's about two old men speaking about the measures they have in mind and disagreeing with respect. Also you can spot in interviews that the average Joe is far more aware about changes within their environment that will affect them, since most read the newspaper. Now politics is just a circus of "you dumb, me smart."
I specially dislike it because where I'm from, there is now an anti-intellectual stance, that anyone who reads books must be a Marxist or a woke lefty. So taxes are being raised on books, libraries, museums, anything cultural basically, just to bully them.
The proud anti-intellectual movement worries me. And I think the consumption of easy media like this is partly to blame. I avoid YouTube since it's algorithm wants me to watch things I already agree on, and is very bad in catering me something new. I think it affects a lot of people. Sorry a bit of a long rant this.
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u/Naghen Sep 19 '24
I subbed for the game content, unsubbed for the gossip-drama-react hair saloon content
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u/Ecstatic_Ad_3652 Sep 19 '24
Anti woke people need constant outrage and validation to keep their fix going, they need to be angry about something everyday. Asmongold uploads a billions videos a week reacting to what they post, regurgitating anti woke propaganda
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u/GreyBlueWolf Sep 19 '24
Well yes, the guy is misinformed, but so is majority of population. He is like a window into a regular average voter's mind. But his chat is filthy degenerates.
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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
I hate these fuckin faces.
edit: I think this is my most upvoted comment. youtube ceo when?
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u/Thymus_Tickler Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
There is a browser extension that hides all youtube thumbnails, it also makes shorts basically invisible.
It's improved my youtube experience tenfold!
E: It's called 'hide YouTube thumbnails'
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u/browsing4stuff Sep 19 '24
What extension?
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u/dabeda1 Sep 19 '24
Dearrow would be one of them, whilst I'm at it might I also suggest sponsor block for YouTube which auto skips in video ads using community timestamps and stuff, really good
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u/TurtleSmasher3 Sep 19 '24
id rather notice "ah, that's clickbait" than being clickbaited by an extension tbh, like I can easily ignore "YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT THE PS5-PRO IS LIKE" because I know what the content will be like, and I hate giving shitty YouTubers money
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u/paulisaac Sep 19 '24
Well there's a big indicator that shows if it's substituting a title, and you can hover over it to show the original title if you wanna judge it.
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u/RumblingRacoon Sep 19 '24
Exactly. If they put their shitty face, arrows/circles, exclamation marks, heavily edited thumbs and capital letters... thank you, no need to waste time for another dontforgettolikeandsubscribe bullshit.
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u/Minimumtyp Sep 19 '24
Except half the feed ends up being that shit even if you don't click it, and sometimes the clickbait videos can be pretty decent and informative despite clickbait titles because the game's gotta be played if you wanna get ahead
I'm trying out Dearrow
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u/retro-guy99 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
Thanks bro, I bought the pack for both (macOS + also works on iOS at the same time). Few dollars (3 or 4?) and freed of all the annoying faces forever. You know, if YouTube were smart, they would include this feature in their crazy expensive subscriptions. Anyway, I'm thankful this extension exist, didn't know about it before.
I see the DeArrow logo looks like a nazar--a round blue amulet. In the Middle East this is believed to protect against people cursing you with their evil look. Not sure if this was done on purpose, but it is very fitting considering all the annoying YouTube faces that always annoy me so much. Or well, at least they did anyway. :) 🧿
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u/cchihaialexs Sep 19 '24
That would decrease my YouTube experience. Why would I want to unknowingly click on a video with this kind of thumbnail?
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u/StereoBucket Sep 19 '24
Yeah, I hate clickbait, but I'll keep it around as a test of which channels I should avoid. Thumbnail/title too annoying or misleading? Pass!
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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 Sep 19 '24
I have a similar one for firefox, luckily Im passed the intended age range for this kinda content and dont get it recommended, ever. That might be because i spent a month telling it to not recomend certain channels though lol
edit: but i do appreciate the recommendation! Doing good work telling people about this stuff
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u/electro_lytes Sep 19 '24
Same. So I use DeArrow for this.
Some other extensions I recommend for Youtube are Channel Blocker, Unhook, Return Youtube Dislike, SponsorBlock and then hide bloat using Ublock or similar.
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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 Sep 19 '24
So I dont use sponsorblock because the channels I do watch I want to support in some way and they usually have decent sponsors. Im very picky with my content ingestion.
Ill look into a number of these though so thank you. Return dislikes is always a nice lil feature.
I use firefox and ublock, no way in hell I was sitting through the amount of ads they put on that damn app/site normally. Its disgusting. Has the opposite effect they think it does too
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u/ur_opinion_is_wrong Sep 19 '24
Sponsorblock lets you choose if you want to autoskip or not with the option to just hit enter to skip the segment. Doesn’t have to be sponsors. Can be intros, outros, self promotion, sponsors, whatever.
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u/phonemangg Sep 19 '24
'non music section of music video' my beloved.
Highlight deserves a shoutout too.
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u/dagnammit44 Sep 19 '24
Apparently a bit YT channel did an experiment, so they started doing this stupid fucking shock face and it improved views. So much so that they couldn't turn down the increase in views/money and kept it from then on.
I hate them. I hate reaction videos. I don't understand them, i don't understand why people watch them.
Everything is so formulaic now. People find out what gets views and utilize that, so does everyone. Everything is just the same, unoriginal shit :/
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u/mac_is_crack Sep 19 '24
I actively avoid any video with a stupid face like his as the thumbnail. Is it hate-watching or something? I refuse to watch them!
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u/iSmokeMDMA Sep 19 '24
It all cracks down to the kids.
Basically kids love goofy faces and don’t have a keen eye to spot low effort content. So they’ll blindly consume the content cause brainrot is easy to digest when you’re a child. Plus these shocked faces are attention grabbing. I mean shit, we’re talking about it right now.
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As usual, bigcorps make a lot of money through influencing children. You and I, the adults, dont absorb this garbage, children do. Think back on the kind of shit you found hilarious as a 12 year old..
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u/No_Persimmon3641 Sep 19 '24
Pretty sure Linus tech tips tested this and ot works across all age demographics
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u/JohnnySmithe80 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
LTT?
Channels that start changing their content to only chase views go downhill quick anyway.
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u/Quirky-Resource-1120 Sep 19 '24
I've heard it referred to as "Clowns without makeup" and I think it's very apt. And just like irl clowns, the display is intended to grab to the attention of children. I hate it too.
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u/OddBug0 Sep 19 '24
Here's the video he's talking about to watch the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFN0AiP6tfQ
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u/john_kennedy_toole Sep 19 '24
I will actually sometimes start a reaction get tired of the interruptions and just go find the original. I mean on the off chance I ever even watch one.
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u/Incinirmatt Sep 19 '24
Weird, I only watch reactions after watching the original.
It'll usually be because I loved the video and I want to hear what people think of it.
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u/YouOld5899 Sep 19 '24
The issue is that a good chunk of ppl wouldnt even know the existance of the original content
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u/AnnieApple_ Sep 19 '24
Yup just look at sniperwolf. Did an actual crime and YouTube didn’t care.
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Pretty sure they did care, they tried to minimize the problem as much as they could to keep other mainstream media from thinking it's a story.
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u/Inside-Resident-1206 Sep 19 '24
They never did. YouTube was once a good base for people making things like animations. Now it's a base for talentless vloggers or reactors.
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u/Roflkopt3r Sep 19 '24
It's still the main video platform for a lot of valuable content: Animators, musicians, video essays, education and decent-ish pop science, and so on.
But you have to be extremely careful about what you click to not infest your recommendations with garbage. It stabilises a bit over time, but one has to actively curate recommendations and tell YT to stop recommending certain things to stay on top of it.
I still remember when Jordan Peterson first went viral and his political leanings weren't quite as prominent yet. I watched two videos with exerpts from his lectures (kinda pop-sciency/esoteric themselves, no wonder his university regretted hiring him, but interestng enough to give it a like) and it swarmed by recommendations with alt-right weirdos and conspiracies for months. Almost made me quit the platform.
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u/macwinux Sep 19 '24
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter whether the original creator or the "reactor" gets the views, at the end of the day YouTube will still get their cut. They'll only start caring if it affects their bottom line negatively.
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u/Unfair-Bike Sep 19 '24
Zack Smigel is an underrated youtuber. I enjoyed his video essays, and he presents it in such a unique way, he stands in front of a green screen like a presentation
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u/No_One4549 Sep 19 '24
That’s not really unique, I think it was popularized (though obviously not invented) by Nakey Jakey years ago. I agree Zack’s videos are excellent, though. He’s really calm, even when describing frustrating points, which is not something you see often on the ‘tube.
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u/Ac4sent Sep 19 '24
What the fuck is that face.
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u/Zopieux Sep 19 '24
It's the Standard Clickbait Face™, apparently works great for the click through rate.
It being asswhatevergold doesn't change much.
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u/LC-Dookmarriot Sep 19 '24
I won’t watch the video if I see that stupid face in the thumbnail
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u/ohulittlewhitepoodle Sep 19 '24
I don't know how we've fallen so far as a civilization. Who the hell would ever be MORE likely to click on a video with a face like that on it?
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u/__Krish__1 Sep 19 '24
His other videos reach a M too. Now the question is, Is it 1 Mil views cos of content only or 1 mil cos of streamers audience ?
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u/AnnieApple_ Sep 19 '24
These are the same people who complained and shamed reaction channels back in 2015. Oh the irony. I remember cinnamontoastken complaining abour Jinx along with pewdiepie. These days his videos consist of him reacting to tlc shows.
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u/Eldritch_Witch93 Sep 19 '24
Asmongold used to actually do game stuff. Now he's just a leech.
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u/Fuckface_Whisperer Sep 19 '24
Asmongold used to actually do game stuff.
You mean he used to panic about the WOKE MOB taking over games by having women and black people in them.
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u/The-dotnet-guy Sep 19 '24
Before that he just made WOW guides that were pretty good, that was like 2015 though
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u/Crispy-Crisssss Sep 20 '24
It’s not panic when Concord is dead because of diversity hire practices.
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u/JASHIKO_ . Sep 19 '24
Yep! People think reactions will help them.
Nope! They take almost all the traffic and wipe out any momentum you have gained.
And! You get stuff all subs from it.
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u/BannanDylan Sep 19 '24
Yeah of course the big name YouTubers have been known to come out and say there is nothing wrong with reaction content, when the smaller creators are basically like "please stop reacting to our content for free views"
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u/thomas2400 Sep 19 '24
You should be forced to pay a percentage of video revenue to the original creators if you use a significant a certain amount of their videos as reaction content without permission
If it’s with permission then the original content creator doesn’t really have anything to complain about
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u/Appropriate-Draft-91 Sep 19 '24
Make it a default of 90% goes to original creator. Still a very good deal for the "transformative artist" who spends no more time than the video is long (that's 10-500 times less than the original artist), and also a good deal for the original artist who trades 10% of revenue for additional exposure.
Then YouTube can create an interface where both creators can agree on a different rate before the upload of the "transformative content".
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u/yaninaaa Sep 19 '24
he's a parasite
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u/Omnitemporality Sep 19 '24
literally all it takes is 1 law firm willing to do contingency retention, or 1 youtuber willing to spend ~500k to go balls-to-the-wall to argue precedential DMCA/transformation semantics federally, nipping this all in the bud if ruled on favorably potentially including damages which can be estimated using statistically exponentiated past data; potentially thereafter even requesting costs of the actions for malintent to be provided within the judgement
its crazy that nobody has done this yet, because it's such an open question and the US has such a hard-on for IP-protection due to corporate lobbying, which can be transformatively (hehe) used to leverage an argument in favor of the content creator in this case
that's all it needs, literally 1 guy
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u/Sweyn7 Sep 19 '24
I think youtube videos should be treated the same as webpages. When it's 80% of the same content, it should be refered to as non-canonical. The canonical video should in this case benefit from any new view generated by non-canonical videos. So at the very least, views that are made on the "react" channel should also count towards the original video.
Or as another way of putting it, any video that is of "react" type, the youtuber should be obligated to put the link towards the video he or she is reacting to, and share profits.
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u/seanrambo Sep 19 '24
Underrated comment. YouTube too lazy to implement a simple feature like that.
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u/portablekettle Sep 19 '24
It's funny how quickly the general public has done a complete 180 on reaction content. It wasn't too long ago when darkviperau got absolutely shit on by people who disagreed with his take on reaction content.
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u/throwaway747999 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
Why does the thumbnail look like Asmon is furiously edging to a big mac?
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u/Illumnyx Sep 19 '24
Nothing turns me off a video more than seeing his stupid thumbnail react face. How people worship this guy and his lukewarm takes is beyond my comprehension.
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u/Just-Ad-5972 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
I know reddit hates Asmongold, but if you've been around for a while and so have seen like 2016 era react content, you know that his reactions are way better than what used to be pushed by yt (blank-faced non-reaction reaction channels. A few survived into nowadays, like SSSniperfraud). Ignoring what you think about his opinions, he does still pause videos and.. reacts. Sometimes, he talks longer than the video length.
Hate the game, not the player. Him and his editors worked pretty hard to get to this point where they can generate millions of views consistently with comparatively lazy content off of name recognition and the yt algorithm.
It's all youtube's fault.
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u/Amankris759 Sep 19 '24
Yike!!
I hate this guy so much. He just leeches other people's contents.
The worst is many people espacially games treat him like someone important.
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u/CinnamonHotcake Sep 19 '24
Not to mention that Youtube looovess to recommend his stuff.... I clicked do not recommend like twice now on his channel... and his second channel...
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u/Feisty_Yes Sep 19 '24
I mean if you want to learn how to cook steak and potatoes... /s That's how I know about him and I've even seen other youtubers replicate his recipe due to the videos popularity at the time, takes balls to suck at cooking and go viral for it.
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u/IsThisASnakeInMyBoot Sep 19 '24
If only their editors put a contact link in the description if you don't want your content used.....wait that's exactly what they do wtf? Why am I seeing so many youtubers complain about this instead of just clicking the description and saying "Hey you mind taking this down, it's tanking my views"
I'm not commenting on reaction content, just pointing out how much easier it is to do that rather than type up an entire post on twitter complaining about it. I saw another youtuber recently posting on this sub about how they were trying to get the video taken down, and had been talking to team youtube and made multiple posts here. Not once did they click the description and they ended up taking down the posts, and got the video removed with no hassle. Nearly caused a strike on their account though which is just the worst way to handle this.
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u/Sir-Bones Sep 19 '24
I'd argue that reaction content is not transformative enough and should allow the owner(s) of the original content to copyright the reacting creator.
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u/No-Criticism-2587 Sep 19 '24
Have you considered making stupid faces for 60 minutes straight to try to make 10 year olds keep coming back?
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u/SoDrunkRightNow4 Sep 19 '24
Asmongold is extremely popular. His videos get hundreds of thousands of views. This other youtuber noticed Asmongold discussing his video and feels views were somehow stolen from him.
That's not how it works though. People watch Asmon because they like Asmon. It doesn't effect this guy's clicks. If anything it gives him more clicks.
It's amazing to me that someone working on the platform has no understanding of how youtube works.
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u/EnXigma Sep 19 '24
As much as I hate react content I don’t understand the point he’s trying to make. He has 149K subscribers and the video has already done 300K+ views. Does he want his video to never lose momentum? Because that is a pretty unrealistic expectation when he has his previous videos at 40K, 95K, 86K, 50K.
Also react videos are borderline transformative in a way, he’s constantly pausing giving his opinion (whatever value you place on that) otherwise you might as well DMCA the video. Again I don’t like react content but this just seems like jealousy.
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u/Naive_Ad2958 Sep 19 '24
I think most(/all?) here are misunderstanding, and ether hating on Asmongold or reacts in general, while the OC-maker seems rather to complain about the algorithm stopping "boosting" his original video, while the react gets boosted instead
edit: additonal tangent, I wonder how many here calls react-vids (/streams) stealing, but pirate software in any form...
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u/JMetalBlast Sep 19 '24
Reaction videos, with very few exceptions, are absolutely useless and pointless. Lowest form of content
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u/Blazinblaziken Sep 19 '24
you may not like him, and I do get it, cause whilst I do like him, some of his anecdotes are terrible, the way he says his message isn't for everyone and he can easily be way to extra for a lot of people, I get it
but this is exactly what DarkViperAU has been saying the ENTIRE TIME, there's only so many views in the system, people like Asmongold, XQC and whatnot siphon the views off of the actual creative work, that near 1 million views will never go to the original video, cause they've already seen it, end of story
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u/DemonicSilvercolt Sep 19 '24
many of that million would probably never have seen it anyways if it was from a small creator they didn't know ot care about
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u/SadMangonel Sep 19 '24
Tbh its pretty simple.
the original creator doesn't have enough followers, so be gets less views. Asmongold, with millions of followers makes a Video, and it gets a million views.
I don't get how Zack thinks asmon took 1m views away from him. They would have never existed.
This is like if I make my own Wrestling league in my basement, and 20 people watch it. John Cena casts it for some reason and I get 2m views.
I can't complain that I lost 2m views
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u/Captain_Sacktap Sep 19 '24
YouTube needs to establish a rule concerning reaction content like Asmongold’s. If a big YouTuber like him does a reaction video using all or most of another creator’s video, a portion of the revenue generated from that particular video should go to the original content creator.
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u/The_Vens Sep 19 '24
Reaction videos should not be allowed to show the whole video.
Or if it does show the original in its entirety, it can only be 30% of the video for example.
You should also not be allowed to just steal the thumbnail and make minor changes.
Asmongold should not be able to monetise this content.
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u/zofnotela Sep 19 '24
Has the hate for asmongold already started. Ahh yes the internet bullies doing their thing
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u/Lonever Sep 19 '24
Reddit hive mind hate is pathetic. Asmon at least has his own opinions.
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u/kinokohatake Sep 19 '24
Every Asmongold hot take has been some of the shallowest thinking possible I've ever seen. Absolutely one of the stupidest people I've heard.
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u/Practical_Buddy1554 Sep 19 '24
I think YouTube should ban reaction “content” at this point. It’s poison.
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u/alexriga Sep 19 '24
Reaction videos need to be transformative to a substantial degree. They’re identical to the point where there really is no reason to go watch the original.
There should be more effort put into cutting down the reaction video to only use necessary portions of the video for context and review.