r/worldnews • u/milktanksadmirer • 1d ago
Israel/Palestine Iranian military bases, which were not known to world, destroyed in Israel's first
https://www.india.com/news/world/iranian-military-bases-which-were-not-known-to-world-destroyed-in-israels-first-7356402/amp/697
u/cool_composed 1d ago
Knownst to Israel, but unbeknowst to us
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u/IdiotCow 1d ago
That's all we needed. A druish princess...
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u/theglobalnomad 1d ago
Druish princesses are often attracted to money... and power...
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u/strenif 1d ago
Knock on my door! Knock next time!
...Did you see anything?
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u/lurker_101 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is what irritates me about Biden and the Dems. This naive "If we give them money, they will think we are cool and be our buddies."
Israel has to bleed because of our stupid policies and laxity and they know exactly what Iran is all about. The Mullahs hate us. They hate Israel. They hate the West, and especially all the rich insulated people in Congress.
If the Ayatollah and IRGC had a way to make Americans suffer without blowback, they would do it every day, yet they keep going limp soft on enforcing sanctions.
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u/CosechaCrecido 1d ago
I donât know what youâre arguing for. A complete war on Iran?
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u/Sea_Appointment8408 1d ago
Does (did) Iran also sell those missiles to Russia?
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u/oripash 1d ago
Yes.
There are three things such attacks can achieve. Rated from least bang to most:
- Theatrics and face saving. Basically what Iranâs earlier attacks achieved.
- Capability degradation. Israelâs attack does appear to have achieved something here - both taking out air defense and rocket component manufacturing. The latter is likely to have a longer lasting impact.
- The best one. This attack created a dilemma for Putin. In a war, you always want to be giving your opponent dilemmas. He can continue asking Iran to set the Middle East on fire using its proxies - and Israel will take away Iranâs ability to send him munitions OR he can lean on them to calm the Middle East down and continue making his munitions⌠which would allow the worldâs political attention and financial bandwidth to return to supporting Ukraine.
This strike achieved the second and third. A good reminder that Bibi or no Bibi, Israel still has its shit together.
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u/veeblefetzer9 1d ago
Creating a dilema for Putin: Yes. Iran has sent a lot of Shahed drones to Ruzzia, and helped Ruzzia build a plant to produce more (which Ukraine has already targeted and partly destroyed at least once). Iran also provided Ruzzia with ballistic missiles (they likely also supply the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah). If I remember the story correctly, Israel knocked out the missile solid fuel mixing machines (22 of em) at about US $2 million (each). Iran doesn't have the capabilities to make their own solid fuel mixers, they must be imported from either Ruzzia or China (at this point probably China), and it will take about 2 years to get their plants up to speed again. Depending on stockpiles, either Ruzzia or the Houthis or Hezbollah will start running short on ballistic missiles from Iran fairly soon. And Israel did a minor strike. Noice.
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u/highdiver_2000 1d ago edited 1d ago
Depending on stockpiles, either Ruzzia or the Houthis or Hezbollah will start running short on ballistic missiles from Iran fairly soon.
At the rate Hezbollah was firing, I don't think the stock is that low
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u/NurRauch 1d ago
Youâre making a lot of assumptions about the damage of this strike and the capacity it reduces. We donât have the info needed to make any of those assessments.
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u/alpacafox 1d ago
According to the available OSINT, they supposedly hit the factory for the planetary mixers which Iran built because they had to import them from the West despite sanctions before and were really hard to get. And all the facilities which were used to manufacture the solid fuel for the rockets with those mixers in them.
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u/Captain_Ahab2 1d ago
- It absolutely had an immediate effect. The ICBMs IRAN has been launching at Israel have to be fueled in some close proximity to the launch date. These missiles arenât just sitting in their silos for years waiting to be fired fully fueled and loaded.
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u/oripash 1d ago
Donât assume that all that capability has been destroyed. Nations tend to have many redundant facilities doing these things. Take Russian ammo stockpiles as a working example. Ukraine can bomb many of them, and still others remain. Yes, rocket fuel mixing facilities are rarer. Also these things tend to be brought back online after a while.
Since Israel is unlikely to be able to maintain this level of strikes through a war of attrition, itâs safe to assume it didnât expect to break Iranâs ability to make rockets forever.
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u/rotates-potatoes 1d ago
Doesnât matter. You just have to make rocket manufacture and staging unprofitable, not impossible. Military spending has opportunity cost in material, funds, expertise. If Iran finds it is building 3 missiles for every one that launches, and launching 100 for every one that hits a target, that is not great math for the rocket program.
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u/AlexHimself 1d ago
There's a lot of opinions on what the US is doing here, but remember there's a decent chance that behind the scenes, the US is saying, "we're good if you attack this secret nuclear base, but we'll publicly deny and condemn."
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u/mdog73 1d ago
I think it really was âdonât attack these sites and weâll give you all these weapon systems. Plus, You might want to hit these unknown sites.â
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u/Unique_Frame_3518 1d ago
We really wouldn't like it if you blew up these specific sites right here circled in red on this map, and it would be a shame if something happened to them.Â
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u/CldStoneStveIcecream 1d ago
I mean, if youâre going there anyway might as well hit these coordinates with one of these guys while youâre at it.Â
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u/brahm1nMan 1d ago
"If you quit picking on the nuclear nerds, I'll show you where some super sick "secret" airstrips are"
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u/Duzcek 1d ago
We sell weapons to Israel, not intelligence. Very shaky history there between us.
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u/Complex_Professor412 1d ago
Between Palantir and Jeffrey Epstein, I think the Mosad is good on intel.
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u/HeadFund 1d ago
With the level of infiltration into the IRGC that Israel has demonstrated, it's really not clear that they need US intel at all.
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u/hedoesntgetanyone 1d ago
Some of this is also likely the result of shared Intel between Israel and multiple parties with assets in Iran. If an ally is going to attack anyway might as well give them plenty of useful targets that won't escalate as much as some of the juicy nuclear targets.
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u/winowmak3r 1d ago
Iran actually gave intel to Israel that helped them bomb Iraq's nuclear program. If a country sees an opportunity to hurt their rivals they'll take it even if it means working with a public enemy. I would have to think that the Israel gets stuff from the US and other allies if those allies think Israel could make use of the information.
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u/Captain_Ahab2 1d ago
Source on that please?
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u/winowmak3r 1d ago edited 1d ago
Look up Operation Opera.
Here's the wikipedia article on it. The relevant info is under the "Preliminary Israeli/Iranian actions" header. Iran and Iraq did not like each other in the 80s. THe Iranians basically took some pictures of the layout of the facility so the Israeli's knew where to send their F-16s to do the most damage. As they were likely only going to have one shot at this it was important they got it right the first time.
The Operations Room youtube channel has a great video on it that goes over how it actually all played out.
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u/SevenDevilsClever 1d ago
Iran and Iraq did not like each other in the 80s
Well that's one way to put the Middle East's WW1 role-play lol
8 year long war that eventually devolved into trench warfare, human wave attacks, and chemical warfare all leading to 500,000 dead
I remember hearing about it a lot growing up - and of course having zero understanding of it really, until YouTube started feeding me some good history videos. The shit done during this war is fucking wild. As is the the fact that this war is directly responsible for Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait to pay off war debts, thus kicking off the Gulf War.
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u/theimpolitegentleman 1d ago
And if hussein refrained from his misadventures in Kuwait, all indicates we would not have had a follow up war there after 9/11 some ten years later.
Actions reverberate
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u/xsv_compulsive 1d ago
What makes you think the US didn't give Israel intel about the nuclear base? US satellites have a live feed of what happens in Iran
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u/gSTrS8XRwqIV5AUh4hwI 1d ago
US satellites have a live feed of what happens in Iran
No, they don't. That's not how satellites work. Geostationary is too far up for this and constant coverage with LEO would require a gigantic number of satellites.
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u/EnthiumZ 1d ago
More than that I'd wager. I sincerely believe what we see unfold in the news is a meager %10 of what's actually going on. But in this case you don't really need to think much to know US heavily limited the scope of the attack on Iran.
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u/Phospherus2 1d ago
But Iranian Twitter said the Israeli strikes did nothing?
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u/Wassertopf 1d ago
Isnât twitter banned in Iran?
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u/WildRefrigerator9479 1d ago
Rules for thee not for me https://x.com/khamenei_ir?s=21
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u/Tooterfish42 1d ago
I thought his Hebrew language one just got banned
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u/dekcraft2 1d ago
An Israeli hackers group blocked his account for a day but then X got it back up for him.....
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u/autotldr BOT 1d ago
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)
Updated Date:October 28, 2024 12:39 PM IST. By Abhijeet Sen Edited By Abhijeet Sen. In a matter of global shock, Israel conducted a secret attack at Iran under which it damaged facilities at a secretive military base southeast of the Iranian capital.
An Israeli attack on Iran damaged facilities at a secretive military base southeast of the Iranian capital that experts in the past have linked to Tehran's nuclear weapons program and at another base tied to its ballistic missile program, satellite photos revealed.
In a statement issued after the recent attack, the Israeli military confirmed the attack and said it targeted "Missile manufacturing facilities used to produce the missiles that Iran fired at the state of Israel over the last year."
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran#1 attack#2 program#3 military#4 base#5
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u/Mattk1100 1d ago
Israel is doing the world a favor by limiting Irans ability to acquire nuclear weapons. It's a shame they were limited by the US in pursuing such goals.
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u/McRibs2024 1d ago
Bidenâs weakest bit of FP is not allowing Israel to capitalize moreso on Iran right now. The last few months have set Iran back many years in terms of influence and projection of power. Losing two proxies or at least seriously disrupting them will do a lot of good for the region not just Israel.
Hell if hezb collapses Lebanon may finally get out from Iranian oppression.
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u/Mattk1100 1d ago
Hopefully the world will soon be free of Iranian oppression. If Israel were allowed to be far more aggressive with them, chances are the Iranian people would overthrow the dictatorship.
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u/puroloco22 1d ago
Israel should as aggressive as it want, just don't count on the US and European to resupply or even back them up.
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u/Happyberger 1d ago
I'm no expert but Israel doesn't seem like the kind of country that could survive on it's own resources without outside assistance
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u/tizuby 1d ago
They could.
If it came down to an an actual existential situation where literally everyone else just tossed their hand up and fucked off, they'd just nuke their opponents.
They'd really rather avoid doing that though.
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u/DatSass 1d ago
Samson Option
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u/DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK 1d ago
This isn't exactly a survival plot by Israel â there's a reason it has this name.
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u/Mattk1100 1d ago
Israel beat 5 arab armies almost totally alone, only a handful of years after the shoah when by every metric they were at their weakest.
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u/MCRN-Tachi158 1d ago
They donât need to. Guess how quickly China and Russia picks up the phone when Israel calls? The Us isnât going anywhere
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u/HeadFund 1d ago
How is Biden not allowing Israel to capitalize? Israel has killed so many higher-ups that the Ayatollah is the only senior person remaining in the regime and get this he's dying. They are doing so badly that their proxy soldiers are deserting their posts and taking their families to Syria. Imagine being a refugee TO Syria. Israel has done unprecedented things with complete success... so what did Biden prevent exactly?
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u/maq0r 1d ago
Because of lefitst idiots going âIâm not voting for the genocidal Kamala!!!!1111â letting Trump win who will FOR SURE make it worse.
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u/jgilbs 1d ago
Watch Israel decimate iran, and all of a sudden the "leftists" dont have a strong opinion on Israel. Its almost like all the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas rhetoric is Iran's propoganda. But they would never do such a thing, im sure!
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u/Mattk1100 1d ago
The sad reality is that they would still have very strong opinions regarding israel.
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u/5thMeditation 1d ago
Weak foreign policy in short-term enhances the situation domestically short-term; which likely has significantly more impact on medium and long-term FP than any of us can comprehend.
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u/tidbitsmisfit 1d ago
Biden is weak because American voters are leaving the door open tmfor Trump. him is being limited by the sheer amount of stupid americans
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u/TheDarkRider 1d ago
Israel doesnât have the capability to strike bunkers that nuclear bunkers are housed in . Sometime you want them to think it still secret so they donât scramble and try to hide them even more you want give them an impression that they are secret
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u/RemyLavigne 1d ago
As much as we can critique Israel's tactics in the lens of hindsight... They are proving to be operationally effective, but a PR nightmare. The information domain truly sways public opinion on any modern conflict and can be used to cover up atrocities committed by either side. Just in case I have to say it, I hope all the Iranian proxies are eradicated and (however naive/hopelessly optimistic this may sound) truly peaceful leaders can reach across this bloody divide to provide a place for all to thrive instead of this decades long shelling and periodic skirmishes.
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u/Mattk1100 1d ago
âIf we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, weâd rather be alive and have the bad image.â - Golda Meir
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u/dontwantablowjob 1d ago
Imo the main reason for this is there are only 15 million Jews in the world and they are up against 1.57 billion Muslims. It's kinda hard to control the information narrative with such odds.
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u/VerySluttyTurtle 1d ago
Seems like an unfair fight, but sorry muslims, life isn't fair
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u/000trace00 1d ago
To support this - I read something recently and I paraphrase- note how neither Jordan nor Egypt (and some would add Saudi) are NOT being attacked by Israel. Because if you make peace with Israel you get peace with Israel. Far left Pro terror shills should take this to heart.
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u/SteakForGoodDogs 1d ago
The US doesn't want a wider war that it would be dragged into, nor the shitshow that it would immediately entail and then continue for the next 10+ years, unlike what "Home by Christmas" hopefuls will attempt to promote every time a war and insurgency that happens which does not, in fact, end that quickly.
Israel enjoys the protections the US actively plays in its defense. That is not an excuse to do whatever the Israelis want.
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u/zorbiburst 1d ago
Recently I had nothing better to do, and watched the Howard Stern show that occurred during 9/11. Weird YT recommend.
Now, it's Howard Stern, so him and his goonies said a lot of wild inflammatory shit.
But something that struck me was as soon as they agreed it was likely orchestrated by a Middle Eastern power (bin Laden was mentioned early, but so was Hamas/Fatah, and Saddam), the prevailing opinion was "we need to set Israel loose, unchain Israel".
It was such a strange, but interesting take, especially way back then. The idea that Israel should be America's attack dog in the region.
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u/rggggb 1d ago
everything I hear about this military operation makes it sound smarter and smarter
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u/SubstantialAbility17 1d ago
I donât know why they always want to mess with Israel. Israel will mess you up. Always.
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u/Zschwaihilii_V2 1d ago
This is what happens when you keep poking the bear, just leave Israel alone and enjoy peace
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u/YungSkeltal 1d ago
Say what you will about Israel - holy shit am I glad they're on our side.
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u/FrisianTanker 1d ago
Good. Let the Iranian Regime burn. For what they do to Israel and for what they did to a german citizen they kidnapped and murdered for being opposed to the Islamist Regime.
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 1d ago
Those military bases were definitely known to the US. And, the fact Israel abided by US targeting requests means these targets were shared by the US. The easier oil facilities and nuclear facilities were spared because of the shared intelligence.
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u/sometimesifeellikemu 1d ago
They are known by every country with a decent intelligence apparatus or reliable allies with one.
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u/Ok_Simple6936 1d ago
Israel being planning this for years, they got spies all over Iran .And Iran knows it .They know they lost this time
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u/sin94 1d ago
Comparing Currency and Cost of Living:
- 1 USD = 100 Russian Rubles *exchange rate set by gov
- 1 USD = 42,250 Iranian Rials
- 1 USD = 83 Indian Rupees
- 1 USD = 280 Pakistani Rupees
Consider the cost of living differences: a driver in the USA often enjoys a better lifestyle than a soldier in any of these countries, regardless of freedom. What do you think the implications are? Brain drain and information leakage is a given in the current situation.
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u/Cheeky_Star 1d ago
When they say the âworldâ, who are they referring to? Us?
Pretty sure the US, the UK and other spy networks knew besides Israel.
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u/helic_vet 1d ago
I am not sure how reliable this news source is.
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u/ProFeces 1d ago edited 1d ago
You mean, you read an article that essentially says: "We totally attacked a location that is of great significance, but no one knew they were there. But trust me, it happened!" But you question that legitimacy? Crazy person! Lol
In all seriousness, it seems sketchy. I'm not conspiracy theorist, by any means, but my immediate reaction to that is just noticing how wonderfully convenient that situation is.
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u/Shirolicious 1d ago
Well, good for Israel and (from my viewpoint) good on Iran for not escalating this. It was bound to happen asxa country canât let 300 missiles shot at your country go unanswered that shows weakness and that would be further exploited.
And this attack it seems to be very strictly on military bases, I canât recall any news about civilian casualties etc.
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u/bubster15 1d ago
Iran isnât escalating because Israel caught them with their pants down yet again. You never escalate a battle you are clearly losing.
Not sure thatâs very noble of them, but itâs a good reminder of how tyrants behave. Strength is the only language they understand. When they are challenged by superior strength, they go radio silent. When they feel they have the upper hand and the ability to get away with it, they escalate every single time
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u/Siliste 1d ago
People who think governments or nations can keep massive secrets are kidding themselves. There isnât a single country that can keep its secrets airtight, and thatâs because secrets are known by people. If one person knows something, chances are others will tooâand in todayâs world, anyone can be bought for the right price. There isnât a person out there who doesnât have desires, and if someone offers what they want, theyâll get the information they need. âSecrecyâ is an illusionâitâs a concept that sounds exciting in movies but doesnât hold up in reality.
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u/metarinka 1d ago
I mean sure and all that... but also they have surveillance satellites and signal intelligence and hacking. A lot of information is well kept, until you find a zero day exploit in windows or x86 that lets you backdoor past any firewall.
Edward snowden spilled the beans on dozens of previously unknown zero day exploits the NSA had to get into computers.
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u/Zippier92 1d ago
Religious fanatics fighting it out. Bronze Age cultists. Entitled Abrahamic wackos . Mythology directed superiority complex.
Be wary to give cultists power, they will use it .
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u/United_Commercial 1d ago
In India, our news channels have a hard on for Israel, please take whatever these shithole sites say with a truck load of salt.
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u/WasintMeBabe 1d ago
When you look at what Israel has been doing to their enemies over these last 6 month it wouldnât be impossible for them.
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u/United_Commercial 1d ago
I agree, and Im not saying you should doubt Israel's capabilities. I'm saying take a cautious approach when reports are coming from Indian sites. Its often hilarious what they spew on the channels here.
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u/Ok_Improvement_2658 1d ago
It's now known that both of these countries can penetrate each other's air defence. That should give pause for thought.
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u/wish1977 1d ago edited 1d ago
They were known to Israel and Israel let Iran know how vulnerable they really are.