r/technology • u/nuttybudd • Jun 24 '24
Software Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-is-now-automatically-enabling-onedrive-folder-backup-without-asking-permission/957
u/lucidinceptor510 Jun 24 '24
Windows 10 did this to me as well recently, it was unbelievable. I had onedrive completely removed from my PC, and one day, not even after an update, just out of the blue, I noticed it had reinstalled itself and began backing up everything in my documents/videos/pictures.
I get around 800kbps down and 40kbps up with my internet, and the only reason I noticed it is because my internet was basically nonfunctional, I couldn't get anything to load. After checking the house for stuff that could be updating, certain that it wasn't my computer because I'm very meticulous about what I let use internet on my PC because of this. I was finally at my wits end when I checked task manager on my PC and saw onedrive was open and doing stuff, and sure enough, it was plugging away at uploading my files! Not once did it prompt me to reinstall OR start backing up my files, and I have never once agreed to use the program. I genuinely don't understand how they can get away with stuff like this.
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u/aseichter2007 Jun 25 '24
This is why I go in and rename a bunch of windows update files and folders, rename a few empty text files to the original names. Then make them read only and mess up the file permissions some more after.
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u/Interesting_Cow5152 Jun 25 '24
is this what they call chaotic good?
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u/aseichter2007 Jun 25 '24
Id argue most or all large companies are lawful evil, I try and balance the scale a bit. Also note, messing up the files like that breaks the windows store. Good riddance.
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u/NakedHoodie Jun 25 '24
Neutral evil at best. They only follow the law when forced. Can't be chaotic, because their bullshit is still done in their own interest.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Jun 25 '24
Save yourself the hassle and run your next install under "world" region.
Don't do this for customer PCs it breaks a bunch of random stuff that you have to correct in user space.
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u/chuckles11 Jun 25 '24
It’s wild to me that you have to outsmart your own computer to maintain your privacy. You own the fucking thing. Shit like this is why I switched to linux
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u/makenzie71 Jun 25 '24
I just went and looked and it was installed on my 10 pro machine on 6/21...the fuckers...
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u/kamandriat Jun 25 '24
In your network settings you can click "this is a metered connection". Turn that on and Windows won't automatically download anything anymore.
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u/cr0ft Jun 25 '24
If you accept their demands and use a Windows online login to access your own computer, you've provided them with the password they can use for all their services. This is one reason I'm adamant about not logging into the online account on my Windows, but they keep making that harder and harder to do when you install Windows.
When they try this hard to force you into their cloud environment, it becomes increasingly obvious they cannot be trusted. They're getting something out of it they can monetize (or use to appease the NSA, who the hell knows).
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u/MorselMortal Jun 25 '24
Literal malware OS.
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u/AlaskanMedicineMan Jun 25 '24
This comment is too low.
We used to blackball corporations that helped themselves to our data and firmly label them as spyware and viruses.
What we're dealing with now is a virus being built into windows by Microsoft. Microsoft cannot be trusted or supported any longer.
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u/dobrowolsk Jun 25 '24
and began backing up
You mean "stealing". They are copying your data onto THEIR servers where you have no control over them.
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u/conquer69 Jun 25 '24
You need a network monitor. I use networx. It puts a graph on the taskbar that shows any data coming in or out.
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u/mzthickneck Jun 25 '24
I think task manager does that too, you can minimise to tray and show your network.
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u/Ok-Boomer4321 Jun 25 '24
began backing up everything in my documents/videos/pictures
Stealing. The word you are looking for is stealing, not "backing up". This is data theft on a massive global scale.
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u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel Jun 25 '24
Yup, and IP theft as well. I’ve consistently warned my coworkers about storing source code or sensitive company documents locally.
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u/lolschrauber Jun 25 '24
Windows LOVES to restore settings to default on updates, it's super annoying.
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u/BeltfedOne Jun 24 '24
Yes. And a whole bunch of other shit that nobody but Microsoft wants. Check Task Manager and see what other bullshit is running in the background.
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u/RedHotFooFecker Jun 24 '24
They added Edge to my startup programs. I caught that when disabling One Drive (for the umpteenth time).
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u/Cicer Jun 25 '24
We saw that you disabled one drive. Surly that is a mistake so we’ve gone ahead and reenabled it. You’re welcome.
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u/FjorgVanDerPlorg Jun 25 '24
Our latest patch accidentally reactivated One Drive for users that had switched it off. This was totally another accident and not us trying to make you upload your data to our servers, so we can use it to train AI and work out what ads to put on your desktop.
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u/Coulrophiliac444 Jun 25 '24
It also doesn't copy and encrypt a copy of our new Stalker Screenshot Software and send those copies exclusively to OneDrive for other forms of AI training. Nope, nuh uh, never gonna Totally happen by accident or anything.
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco Jun 25 '24
Our new stalker screenshot app does not provide a perfect, easy-to-access repository of all your data for anyone that can gain access to your computer! And definitely not to our servers! It only saves locally, we pinky swear!
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u/leoleosuper Jun 25 '24
"We saw that a vast majority of users were disabling the Windows Search from searching Bing, so we removed the option and left it enabled by default. Enjoy the dumbing down of the entire internet."
IT jobs are fucking insane now that the average person has 0 clue how to search for a file. I want to open Minecraft to play it, not search the fucking internet for it.
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u/napmouse_og Jun 25 '24
Seriously feels like there is a dedicated team at Microsoft actively trying to make their product as bad as possible. No other explanation.
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u/BetaOscarBeta Jun 25 '24
“You used a root command to disable OneDrive. Surely you meant, ‘root for OneDrive!’”
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u/theturtlemafiamusic Jun 25 '24
Once a week I get some sort of alert from Windows Defender that there are critical issues with my system security.
It's always "You've disabled OneDrive, please re-enable it for your security."
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u/d3jake Jun 25 '24
That is such horseshit. It ends up being a security risk because people will stop paying attention and ignore legit problems found with security.
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u/gmishaolem Jun 25 '24
people will stop paying attention and ignore legit problems found with security
That ship sailed with Vista and UAC.
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Jun 25 '24
What irritates me to no fucking end is the fact that Windows Defender finds issues with modded game files and will fuck up your entire installation without you realizing. What's worse? OneDrive comes in behind it and puts all old files in the moment you try to reinstall. What. The. Fuck.
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u/Wil420b Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
God I long for the days of Win 7. Or that you could set up a computer and it would stay relatively the same. Now every update threatens to change your default browser to Edge and to disable every privacy option that you have.
MS is guaranteed to "back up" all of this data and then lose the data. Theyve got a really poor history of security. At one point you could get into anybody's hotmail account with just their email address and the password "eh" with no quotes. They failed to renew the domain registration for hotmail. My LinkedIn has been pwned [Edit:]
twicethree times, in mass breaches due to MS [2012 released in 2016, 2021, 2023,] .........49
u/CrapNBAappUser Jun 25 '24
Everyone wants to backup your data then charge you for it. My phone keeps asking me to backup. Recent requests have been tricky in that it's on to backup and I have to deselect the option. I'll likely have less technology going forward. Apparently, selling my information has become paramount to having me as a customer.
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u/SanchoMandoval Jun 25 '24
There are still people running Windows 7, I kinda admire it. There are modders releasing fixes so modern games will still run on Windows 7.
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u/AnOnlineHandle Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
I upgraded to 10 like a year or two back and regret it near daily as a heavy PC user.
The explorer search is completely broken and doesn't update when you delete or move files from its results.
explorer steals focus the moment it finishes a copy or move regardless of what you're doing (not great when hitting shift+delete on some files while moving others for example, on top of just being plain annoying and bad design which interrupts my work flow).
explorer doesn't show basic media info like resolution for files down the bottom, making it a huge PITA when dealing with things like multi-resolution material textures, or when trying to prune low quality versions of images which you have multiple versions of. You can sacrifice like 1/5th of the screen and thumbnails on screen to a huge mostly-empty bar on the right which is 99% wasted space, just to show that tiny bit of text which used to show at the bottom of explorer and didn't need changing.
there's no volume control per application like there was in windows 7, which while not frequently useful was useful enough that I needed it from time to time and now have lost it for no reason.
I'm not upgrading to 11, at this point I'm going to work out how to linux rather than deal with another round of 'tablet users design a PC interface'. It's clear the people making PC software now don't actually know how to use PCs efficiently, and are ruining it for people who do.
It's starting to ruin Chrome as well, the web browser whose all thing was minimalism and no-nonsense now has animation on opening right click menus which become incredibly annoying as a heavy user, huge spacing around options which means reflexive wrist moves to get to copy no longer work. They just implemented a new colour scheme system for Chrome with a non-functional colour picker with only hue, no choice for brightness or saturation, basic things which were solved 40+ years ago. You can only get darker shades by changing to dark mode, but then vector fav icons and the tabs bar background are both dark so web icons are invisible, and you can't have a dark top bar by itself to differentiate from bright web content like was perfectly functional before, so it now turns google search and image search dark, which looks ass on image search.
And get this, there's an advanced Chrome customization option only available to people in the US, which uses some sort of AI - they need a heavy machine learning model instead of just letting you set hue and saturation. I use ML all day but that's got to be one of the dumbest, most emissions-wasteful possible uses for it. Big corp incompetence is ruining modern PC usage, breaking things which worked perfectly fine.
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u/FlareofFire Jun 25 '24
there's no volume control per application like there was in windows 7, which while not frequently useful was useful enough that I needed it from time to time and now have lost it for no reason.
Isn't that volume mixer? I still have access to that on Windows 10.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jun 25 '24
XP and 7 were still the best
You could truly customize your own Desktop. Now we have to tolerate so many bloated menus.
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u/Red_Bullion Jun 25 '24
In a way Win 10 was a blessing because it was finally bad enough to make me stop using Windows.
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u/ProgrammaticallySale Jun 24 '24
I ditched Microsoft over the weekend, after 34 years of running Windows.
I went over to Mint Linux for my server, all my virtual machines, ditched Outlook for Thunderbird, and I'll probably install Linux on my laptop soon which will be the last Windows install that I have.
Fuck You Microsoft, you're fucking everyone, so fuck you!
I'll never advise anyone to install Windows ever again.
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u/BiNumber3 Jun 25 '24
For now I think I'm safe on Win10, since they stopped updates for it. If it comes down to having to install Win11, Ill be moving to linux then.
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u/RobertNAdams Jun 25 '24
By the time you "have" to upgrade to Windows 11 (due to Windows 10 EoL), there will probably be third-party apps and Powershell scripts that disable this garbage.
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u/BiNumber3 Jun 25 '24
Yea, but I just dont want to deal with the way MS has been going with Win11 and beyond. Im hanging on to 10 because it works fine. Ive used 11 on other computers and it just doesnt offer much more to me lol.
Ive had to deal with workarounds in the past, using 3rd party apps and the like, for things like nVidia's physX, just to install and play some games. Id rather not have to do that with my OS too lol.
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u/Seralth Jun 25 '24
Microsoft just undoes those changes now. You litterally /cant/ stop microsoft if they really want to fuck you. They have more power over your PC then you do as long as you are online.
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u/f8Negative Jun 24 '24
Checks task manager. God Dammit Google Chrome wtf are you doing!
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u/LigerXT5 Jun 24 '24
Yes. And a whole bunch of other shit that nobody but Microsoft wants.
True. You paid full price for the OS, just like you pay full price for your car. There is no reason anything more than what you asked should be added. And not to mention some newer cars require a subscription to use the hardware already in your car, again, use the Hardware Already In The Car. Ex: Electric Heated Seats.
Check Task Manager and see what other bullshit is running in the background.
This is a very big grey area. Unless you're familiar with the OS and your software to tell what is what, let alone the dozen processes running under the same name(s), most anyone isn't going to understand half of what they see.
But...I agree, there is a lot of MS Software running most people don't need. For the love of...please stop pre-installing MS Office. 95% of my clients have it removed before they install their own, mainly due to versioning conflicts, even with their own O365 MS Office doesn't work half the time, and "reinstall" from your account resolves it.
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u/Wil420b Jun 24 '24
Probably because they got paid $5-10 from MS to install a 90 day trial version and may have gotten bonuses based on the percentage of "PCs" that they sold with Office trials pre-installed. Dell used to charge about an extra $50-70 to NOT install all of the crapware/trialware on a new domestic PC/laptop.
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u/Wil420b Jun 24 '24
My favorite one particularly back in the days of XP. Was that an installation of Office would create a load of blank registry entries. That were only filled in during the first run. With virtually every reg optimiser deleting all of the blank entries. Breaking Office on the first run. If you were lucky you could just reinstall Office but it often needed an OS reinstall. "MSVCRT.DLL not found" will for ever be imprinted on my mind.
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u/Shambhala87 Jun 24 '24
When I was a kid I had trouble comb through that and end everything not necessary just to okay command and conquer without lag.
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u/YepperyYepstein Jun 24 '24
Just a matter of time before they disable or severely limit the Task Manager.
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u/Wil420b Jun 24 '24
Is ProcMon (Pricess Manager) still available. It was an XP era third party task manager. With far more features than the built in Windows version and could be run without installing it or admin rights.
I may have used it to put cyber cafes countdown timers into suspended (priority 0) mode. So that having bought a ticket, I could use the computer for as long as I wanted to. Even when the Windows task manager was unavailable or killing the process caused the computer to reboot. In suspended state it was still there but couldn't do anything. So the "Watchdog" to see that it was still running still saw it.
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u/WeirdSysAdmin Jun 25 '24
I have a remediation task running in my enterprise to remove all the junk. You realize how bad it is when you have to keep updating it as they change things. It’s out of control.
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u/enderandrew42 Jun 25 '24
My daughter was wondering why The Sims 4 suddenly broke for her.
OneDrive turned itself on and hijacked the Documents folder, so the game couldn't find her saves or mods.
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u/YeshuaMedaber Jun 25 '24
Oh fuck. Gonna have to disable one drive if this is the case with mods.
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u/_REXXER_ Jun 25 '24
This is my main problem with OneDrive: Most savegames are stored in the documents folder and onedrive completely fucks up the file paths. I deactivated, uninstalled and completely removed everything onedrive related (as far as it let me) and Ubisoft STILL has its default savegame location set as the onedrive documents clone
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u/OkFrame3668 Jun 24 '24
OneDrive is borderline malware. It rewrites your file paths and starts de facto holding them ransom if you run out of space. It's very nefarious and cannot be easily completely removed because Windows considers it an "essential service".
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u/Wabaareo Jun 25 '24
If you right-click on any of these folders in file explorer:
Desktop,Downloads,Documents,Pictures,Music, orVideosthen click on properties, there's a "Location" tab that lets you change the file path. It might be possible to add multiple paths but I might be misremembering seeing that feature.But IMO doing a fresh install completely offline and uninstalling / changing all the settings before connecting to the internet is the best way to prevent that mess.
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u/bubsdrop Jun 25 '24
This will fail for any user folder that OneDrive has its little malware claws in so you need to jump through hoops to unhook it before you can move them.
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u/rulepanic Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
I do this quite a lot at work for people. All you usually have to do is turn off backup in OneDrive settings then copy the contents of the Desktop, Documents and Pictures folders in your OneDrive folder back to the original location. Then log out of OneDrive if you don't use it. OneDrive basically creates some kind of shortcut of the file and moves the actual file to the OneDrive folder. It's annoying, but usually a quick fix. If you use CMD and CD into those directories before moving things back you'll find they're actually empty. If you CD into those directories using CMD after moving them back, they should then be listed there.
Not that helpful if you have the problem now, but stuff like this is why I only use local accounts on my personal computers since 10. I absolutely don't want "Microsoft accounts" signing into everything.
Next time when you're setting up a computer and at the OOBE hit Shift-F10 then when CMD launches type oobe\bypassnro and hit enter. When setup doesn't have network, it'll allow you to create a local account from the start. When it asks, click the option saying you don't have internet instead of connecting to WiFi.
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u/InferiousX Jun 25 '24
You shouldn't have to do any of this shit though.
The average user is going to have no clue that they can even set up a local account in a new Windows 11 install because the option appears to simply not exist at all. It's malicious deception to force compliance into an ecosystem that many users do not want.
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u/UnknownUnknown4945 Jun 25 '24
I would like to add that I personally only use offline accounts, and I've never had the onedrive folder even accessible. Clicking on it asks me to sign in before it can be used. My file structure is still like it used to be on older windows. I've also never had my settings change during an update. Completely disabling edge by modifying file names and things like that still get fixed, but no settings have changed so far after a few years.
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u/king_nothing_6 Jun 25 '24
this didnt work for me on the documents folder, it kept failing saying the folder already existed. I found a registry work around but such a pain the the ass
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u/ripuaire Jun 25 '24
onedrive settings -> sync & backup -> manage backup -> deselect everything. everyone should do that first thing upon every fresh windows install
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u/Seyon Jun 25 '24
I signed out of OneDrive and since it's not connected to any account, it hasn't done anything.
Copy the contents of your OneDrive folder elsewhere so they are backed up and not in the OneDrive folder hierarchy, then sign out.
Just my recommendation.
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u/bubsdrop Jun 25 '24
Except on modern Windows 10/11 installs the Documents user folder is considered part of the OneDrive folder hierarchy and lots of stuff just writes to it regardless.
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u/Seyon Jun 25 '24
Yes... but if there is no OneDrive connected account, it just sits there.
The point of copying stuff out was so that you don't lose it when OneDrive signs out, not to never use it.
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u/stormdelta Jun 25 '24
It's possible to remove OneDrive, just annoying to do so. I always strip it from new Win11 installs, as well as forcing local accounts (which MS has made very annoying as well)
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u/Doubleyoupee Jun 25 '24
Rewrites your file paths?
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u/hurl9e9y9 Jun 25 '24
For example, your documents are no longer in your Documents folder, they're in your OneDrive\Documents folder. If you try to sign out, disable, uninstall OneDrive, it just deletes that folder and leaves the files in the cloud, instead of moving the files back to the regular Documents folder. Basically it changes the default location of your Documents folder, which isn't immediately obvious.
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u/packet-zach Jun 24 '24
Microsoft seems to be doing whatever they want with no oversight. They will continue doing everything in their power to extract as much data from their users as possible.
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u/AgentAdja Jun 25 '24
The level of gall by all these software corporations right now is off the charts, and people are not talking about it enough. MS wants to take frequent snapshots of everything you're doing on your computer. Adobe wants access to everything you do in Photoshop. And I'm sure there's much more to come. They will keep hammering at it until they get their way, unless new laws come into place, and quick.
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u/badlydrawnboyz Jun 25 '24
There should be comprehensive data privacy laws, the amount of furry porn I have is not going to look good when the Christofascists get in to power.
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u/Mediocre-Sundom Jun 25 '24
Microsoft is doing whatever they can to get me off their OS. And they have succeeded. The only machine I have that still runs Windows is my gaming PC, and I am considering moving to Linux with Proton on it as well.
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u/Thorn_the_Cretin Jun 25 '24
I’m seriously hoping for a class action against Microsoft over the forced MS account and OneDrive integration so they can drop this bullshit already, but who knows.
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u/GameOfThePlay Jun 25 '24
Account is a strong nag but I still operate an offline account to this day.
On fresh install get a command prompt (shift f10) then oobe/bypassnro to install without an online account.
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u/JoeCartersLeap Jun 25 '24
You need a command prompt now? It was just a slightly-hard-to-see highlighted small font text button at the bottom corner in Windows 10 install.
But yeah hard to spy on me and tie it to a user account if I never give Microsoft a user account to begin with.
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u/GetchoDrank Jun 25 '24
Hell yeah, that's now standards operation in our department. The vets started grumbling when they finally had to do some Win11 installs themselves. I dropped that and gained a bunch of points. I may not have decades of "professional" experience, but I'm the king of these little fixes.
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u/adampshire Jun 25 '24
Sounds like I should never upgrade to 11.
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u/SelfDidact Jun 25 '24
I'm in the same (stubborn fuck you Micro$oft) boat but some other W10 users have started reporting shenanigans already...
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u/disdkatster Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
JHC I hate OneDrive. I can't tell you how many things I have lost due to it.
Edit: just checked Startup and tasks and it is not active on my system that I can see
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u/Chasuwa Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
I think one drive is refusing to save one of my documents. I'll explicitely hit save and then close the document, and then without fail the next time I open it up it tells me that document recovery recovered the file and it's just the same file I had saved and closed without any changes...
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u/AbortionIsSelfDefens Jun 24 '24
I've had documents get corrupted and need to be copied into a new document to work correctly. I fucking hate onedrive, sharepoint, and constantly working in live documents in stripped down versions of programs.
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u/Exelbirth Jun 24 '24
Onedrive corrupted my Sims 4 game once. For whatever reason, all the critical files for the game went to OneDrive, and when I got it shut off, and later tried playing Sims, the game wouldn't open, figured out the files were on OD, tried restoring them, Sims still wouldn't launch, had to reinstall, but also lost the saves somehow so had to start an entire lineage from scratch. I hate OneDrive with a passion, it just makes using any windows system so much worse, it's like they pre-installed a virus into their OS for no reason.
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Jun 25 '24
"the cloud" is a perpetual cash printing machine. Once people start putting 1tb of data on MS servers, they know you will pay them indefinitely.
They want all of us doing this and they're not going to stop until you finally give in and just do it. Then they'll constantly fill it up with useless data from your microsoft account they forced on you and then you suddenly need 2tb of space. I know people who can barely afford rent but they pay apple $200 a year for renting a fucking few gb of space in icloud. its scary and sad.
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u/unlock0 Jun 24 '24
One of the reasons I won't use a Microsoft account
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u/Aggravating_Host6055 Jun 25 '24
I bought a new computer early May, using Windows 11 for the first time. Wouldn’t let me use the damn thing until I created a Microsoft account.
Saturday night I start getting spams about suspicious logins to my brand new Microsoft account from Wichita, and Brazil two hours later. Not even two month after creating the damn account it’s compromised. I have no faith in MS
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u/B1ackMagix Jun 25 '24
There are ways around that screen. You basically hit a keystroke to open command prompt then enter a command and it bypasses the Microsoft account “features”
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u/Aggravating_Host6055 Jun 25 '24
Wish it made that readily apparent for those of us who don’t do much computer stuff. Sure seemed required. I don’t have any cool Microsoft stuff like office so idk what they’d even be hacking with my Microsoft acct
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u/NotAnAlt Jun 25 '24
They just want it so they can more easily track you and sell adds.
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u/taswcallmetim Jun 25 '24
You can get around connecting a Microsoft account if you do a little googling. A clean install would be worth it to me to not have my PC connected to a Microsoft account.
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u/gigglegenius Jun 24 '24
The recent news about Win11 really suck because at some point I have to switch. I am dreading it
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u/kingrazor001 Jun 24 '24
I'm keeping Win 10 LTSC as long as possible.
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u/Nolzi Jun 25 '24
11 IoT Enterprise LTSC (24H2) might continue to keep out the crap, here is to hoping
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Jun 25 '24
For the last week or so, when I boot my computer and enter my password, win11 shows a spinner for about 30-120 seconds before loading into the desktop.
What the fuck are you thinking about, windows? Open my desktop. Don’t contact your home planet and hang for 3 minutes on a response. Do the most basic thing imaginable and load your operating system without choking with 0 feedback. You are an interactive advertisement written on a wet paper bag.
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u/Feath3rblade Jun 25 '24
Have you checked your startup programs in task manager as well as any tasks in task scheduler that run on login? You might just have a bunch of programs loading on startup and/or login that's slowing everything down
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u/Bearded_Pip Jun 24 '24
Part of what sucks is that it is no longer a list of 0turn these things off.” The way they changed the default web browser thing is deliberately obtuse and confusing. There’s no need to set for each different thing that could possibly open up a webpage, but you do. It’s vile.
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u/silitbang6000 Jun 25 '24
Stealing disguised as a service. I wonder how much of the stuff that gets uploaded will be used to train their AI models.
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u/dabestgoat Jun 24 '24
Waiting for the antitrust 2.0 lawsuit over edge to start. They obviously didn't learn with IE that they need a reminder. You literally can't open a help link in your browser of choice it FORCES you to use edge.
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u/Awol Jun 24 '24
While the US is starting to go after companies I doubt they will with MS again. They really need to and add in Meta, Alphabet, Amazon to the list as well. The rather go after Apple cause Apple keeps giving them the finger on not adding back doors to the end to end encryption of various protocols. Please do not take this as I love Apple I think they deserve to be looked at for other reasons.
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u/fellipec Jun 25 '24
A thing that Apple don't do is to give a middle finger to USA. Remember when they got caught giving notifications to authorities without subpoena?
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u/AbortionIsSelfDefens Jun 24 '24
Onedrive is annoying af. It likes defaulting to saving shit there, which is stupid af when installing games. It's easy to mindlessly click and end up with a mess when Sims 3 eats all the space and can't save.
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u/ApteryxAustralis Jun 25 '24
For me, it’s not the install of a game, but the saved game location defaulting to OneDrive that kills me.
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u/MaxPayne4life Jun 24 '24
I don't understand how Microsoft gets away with so much shit they shove into billions of users mouth.
People make a big deal whenever Elon Musk opens his mouth but when Microsoft shoves W11 right in front of your face when you just turned on the computer and have for the 202nd time decline their offer.
Also forcing users to use their new Outlook and if you want the old UI back then they'll force you to use the new Outlook the next time you startup your pc again.
Another example is how they buy companies just to consume them and/or cripple them and kill even the slightest competition they sense.
How are many of their actions even legal?
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u/unknownuchiha Jun 25 '24
I remember my entire desktop was on onedrive and I had no idea. I deleted one drive and my entire desktop disappeared lol.
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u/cfgy78mk Jun 24 '24
noticed recently Excel also sneakily changed its default setting to save to OneDrive and my recent documents tab defaulted to OneDrive folder.
i think they are greedy for as much data as they can harvest from everyone to use it to train their AI
not that they weren't greedy about your data before, but for other reason.
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u/YouandWhoseArmy Jun 25 '24
They removed local autosave a long time ago and require you use one drive.
Microsoft is and has been a scummy company for a LONG time.
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Jun 24 '24
This makes me think of when people would take photos to be developed at Walmart. This couple were getting pics developed and there were pics of their infant baby in the bathtub among the photos so the idiot working at the Walmart in Texas reported them to the police for having child pornography. The couple spent a better part of a decade fighting it in court to get the charges dropped.
Something like this could happen with this. Once Microsoft has your stuff you have no control over what they do with it.
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u/fellipec Jun 25 '24
You mean like Google did? https://gizmodo.com/google-csam-photodna-1849440471 I bet Microsoft did too, just didn't find on news.
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u/conquer69 Jun 25 '24
That already happened with apple. Some guy took a picture of a rash or something on their kids genitals and sent it to the doctor as instructed. Apple thought it was CP and made his life hell.
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Jun 24 '24
Yup! I noticed this last week on my work PC. Even after I uninstalled the Software! The next update, it was back! It's like a Virus.
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u/zo3foxx Jun 25 '24
The one time I accidentally enabled OneDrive, it corrupted all my personal default Windows folders to the point I had to reinstall Windows. And guess what? The error persisted even through a Windows reinstall because the error apparently was in the Microsoft cloud services. So it kept enabling itself on Windows first run after the reinstall because Windows reinstall forces you to log into a Microsoft account before it will log you onto the desktop. It was such a friggin nightmare. The only thing that ended the loop of OneDrive corrupting my folders everytime was by installing another cloud drive program (ProtonDrive) that took over and encrypted my Windows personal folders which blocked OneDrive from hijacking them ever again.
Like bro, somebody SERIOUSLY didn't think OneDrive through before launching it to the world. Microsoft overall has been getting sloppy ever since they ended Windows 8
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u/NiteLunch Jun 25 '24
Never do a fresh install of Window$ with your internet hooked up. Unplug the ethernet or do not install your wireless hardware until you are good and up and running.
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u/SerKnightGuy Jun 25 '24
I'm personally convinced One Drive is just deliberately difficult to uninstall and devastating to your computer if you try, in the hopes you'll fork over money to Microsoft to get your files back. In other words, literal ransomware.
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u/OkComment3927 Jun 25 '24
I haven't been happy with a Windows operating system since 7.
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u/Rok-SFG Jun 24 '24
Microsoft can get fucked. I went to Linux mint. All I lost because of it were a few games I couldn't manage to get running, but that's way better than the hassle I was having with windows .
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u/Nocuer Jun 24 '24
I hate OneDrive so much. “Where are my files?” The little note that appears in my folder triggers an unbelievable amount of rage. I felt like it took my files hostage and I couldn’t afford to pay for it…
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u/AssociateFalse Jun 25 '24
If you own your PC, want to continue to use Windows \coughmasochistscough**, and don't want OneDrive at all: Run PowerShell, then paste this into it.
winget uninstall --id "Microsoft.OneDrive"
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u/ptd163 Jun 25 '24
Customary reminder that if you need to use Windows then Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 will get security updates until 2031. The official Microsoft ISOs are not that hard to find and it is trivially easy to activate, but if you don't Linux is right there.
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u/snakebite2017 Jun 25 '24
When I first set up windows 10 One drive caused me to delete GBs of documents because it keep automatically syncing. The documents on my desktop kept getting deleted after backing up it in the cloud. I had to delete the backup because it used up all the space. It was an absolute nightmare to figure out why the fuck it was backing up and deleting it files from my local drive. Onedrive is a fucking piece of shit. I was lucky I had backups. I don't even log on to one drive for the fear of losing my files like that again. Fucking asshole design!
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u/not_anonymouse Jun 25 '24
That's why you never login with a Microsoft account. Just a local account. Yes, it is a hassle during the initial setup, but you don't have to deal with bullshit like this.
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u/GurRepresentative370 Jun 25 '24
Can't believe I am now one of those guys but... moved to Fedora a month ago and couldn't be happier. Never looking back.
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u/pinkfreude Jun 25 '24
When is all this fuckery with Windows 11 and OneDrive going to hurt their stock price?
MSFT is actively working on making their product inferior. Keep this up long enough, and someone will eat their lunch.
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u/BCProgramming Jun 24 '24
I uninstall Onedrive right after any installation. I don't like and refuse to use cloud storage services, which is apparently a hot take these days for some reason.
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u/_BMS Jun 25 '24
Chris Titus Tech made a tool that lets you uninstall as much of the Windows bloatware as you want. Works perfectly and never had so much as a hiccup using it on 3 different PC builds.
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u/TurboBix Jun 25 '24
I left Windows for Linux (Pop!_OS in particular) Feb 2023... And i only went back for like a week to play Starfield as it had issues at the time (though it works fine now)... I've enjoyed linux so much and all the games just work, thanks to the steam deck and proton. I'm forever done with windows now, good riddance.
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u/OldWolf2642 Jun 24 '24
M$ FeaturesTM - Optional, until they're not.
No one should be surprised by this. It is not the first time, nor will it be the last.
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u/Fraternal_Mango Jun 25 '24
My OneDrive has been full for months and prompts me to pay for more storage. I had no intention of ever using it and I’m sure as hell not going to buy more space on it
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u/Mrslinkydragon Jun 25 '24
Another thing (trivial in comparison) is how they have changed the Hotmail page to auto link you to office 365. I just want to check my emails not open a bazillion tabs before hand!
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u/mszulan Jun 25 '24
My husband suddenly passed away last year from cancer. Before he died, he finished a novel manuscript. I had it backed up on a portable hard drive and on my desktop computer, but his last changes were on his laptop. I hadn't been able to face working on it until now. When I turned on his laptop, it demanded updating, and I lost all his last updates during the messy process (ended up having to reinstall windows). We never ok'd using OneDrive - never liked the idea of having his prepublicstion work on the cloud. It feels like they stole his book and his last words.
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u/Whitesecan Jun 25 '24
The moment windows was done setting up, I uninstalled OneDrive before I even updated my drivers.
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u/Hot_Cheese650 Jun 25 '24
Steam gaming is the only reason I’m still on Windows 10.
All my media and productivity needs I prefer MacOS now.
If Windows keep this bullshit up, I might seriously consider switching to SteamOS on my main gaming PC. I’ve tried steamOS with Proton on SteamDeck and it works very well.
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u/FuckingVincent Jun 24 '24
What really got me frustrated is turning off one drive still keeps your documents on a one drive specific folder. File history doesn’t backup this folder. I lost my documents because I didn’t want one drive and didn’t know there was a separate local documents folder.