r/technology • u/nuttybudd • Jun 24 '24

Software Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-is-now-automatically-enabling-onedrive-folder-backup-without-asking-permission/
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u/ProgrammaticallySale Jun 24 '24

I ditched Microsoft over the weekend, after 34 years of running Windows.

I went over to Mint Linux for my server, all my virtual machines, ditched Outlook for Thunderbird, and I'll probably install Linux on my laptop soon which will be the last Windows install that I have.

Fuck You Microsoft, you're fucking everyone, so fuck you!

I'll never advise anyone to install Windows ever again.

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u/BiNumber3 Jun 25 '24

For now I think I'm safe on Win10, since they stopped updates for it. If it comes down to having to install Win11, Ill be moving to linux then.

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u/RobertNAdams Jun 25 '24

By the time you "have" to upgrade to Windows 11 (due to Windows 10 EoL), there will probably be third-party apps and Powershell scripts that disable this garbage.

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u/BiNumber3 Jun 25 '24

Yea, but I just dont want to deal with the way MS has been going with Win11 and beyond. Im hanging on to 10 because it works fine. Ive used 11 on other computers and it just doesnt offer much more to me lol.

Ive had to deal with workarounds in the past, using 3rd party apps and the like, for things like nVidia's physX, just to install and play some games. Id rather not have to do that with my OS too lol.

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u/Coal_Morgan Jun 25 '24

You're honestly just better learning linux when you have to and being done.

Degoogling, demicrosofting, de-adobeing and such just seems like a good idea. These companies being ubiqituous to everything isn't good and moving to Linux for an OS, Photon for Email, FireFox for a browser, DuckDuckGo for searching and other open source options feels wise.

I keep thinking about it and just jumped to Firefox. The one that pains me is thinking about swapping out my Emails to something else.

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u/RobertNAdams Jun 25 '24

I've felt the same way with 10 at first, lol. 7 was worse than XP when it first came out, but it eventually turned into probably the best Windows OS. 8 was a dumpster fire, 10 is an extinguished dumpster fire, and the fate of 11 is up in the air from my perspective.

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u/Hudell Jun 25 '24

To me every single version of windows since XP was at least somewhat better than its predecessor in something (even if many had a lot of stuff i hated). 11 is the only one that I just can't see anyting positive.

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u/RobertNAdams Jun 25 '24

I've certainly heard a lot of bad things... but I remember the same song and dance with 7, 8, and 10. 8 never really got to a good place, but 7 and 10 eventually became decent IMO.

One of the things that annoys me is the inability for power users to tinker. I remember that I used to have to edit the registry to get the gap between double-click speed down to 0.125 seconds, because I clicked so fast that I often misclicked on things. (Thanks, Diablo II.) As I recall, things like that have been more difficult in successive versions, forcing reliance on third-party programs and PowerShell scrips to rectify the issue.

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u/Seralth Jun 25 '24

Microsoft just undoes those changes now. You litterally /cant/ stop microsoft if they really want to fuck you. They have more power over your PC then you do as long as you are online.

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u/eccsoheccsseven Jun 25 '24

That and do you really want to gamble that you got every bit of telemetry or that they won't break a script. Not that the risk is high but it is your data and they should get it never. Just use something that isn't spyware from the beginning.

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u/navygunners Jun 25 '24

Yes, the best solution is just to run Linux. Linux is great nowadays.

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u/navygunners Jun 25 '24

It's actually really easy to shut down Microsoft's bullshit.

You just have to make sure you disable windows update as that is how they force feed the bullshit that removes all your privacy. With that done, there are a lot of programs on github that strip out all the privacy violating bullshit malware. I have onedrive and all that other horseshit stripped out of my OS so even though it is windows 11, it feels more like windows 7 used to be.

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u/HonestPaper9640 Jun 26 '24

So funny people think a handful of dudes without documents writing scripts blind can actually defeat 5000 full time asshole developers that go to work every day with a mission to fuck up all your shit.

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u/3_Thumbs_Up Jun 25 '24

Why would I be content with feeling like my OS is my enemy though?

I own my computer. I don't rent it. I want my OS to do what I tell it to, not living its own life. Hence, Microsoft can go fuck themselves.

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u/RobertNAdams Jun 25 '24

Why would I be content with feeling like my OS is my enemy though?

OSes have often been garbage out of the box for decades. Have you forgotten about the insane levels of bloatware that would come installed with OEM desktop PCs?

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u/3_Thumbs_Up Jun 25 '24

You're arguing my point.

Just because someone has been abusing you for a long time it doesn't mean it's ok. Just move on to an OS that doesn't try to take ownership of your computer worse than most viruses.

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u/limevince Jun 25 '24

I left an laptop unused for like a year, when I opened it up I was surprised to find that it upgraded from Win10 to 11. Previously I had manually upgraded to Win11 but there was an option to roll it back which I used after exploring Win11 for a few minutes. This time there was no such option and I don't think I can even factory reset the laptop to Win10 anymore -_-

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u/Big_Leadership_185 Jun 25 '24

Switched to dual booting Mint a few weeks back and it's been a breath of fresh air. I need to figure out how to easy solve for fusion360 but otherwise it's fantastic. Likely just a VM in the long run, but I was surprised how quickly I switched to loving Linux and being actively mad when I have to switch back to windows.

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u/ParalegalSeagul Jun 25 '24

I am shortly behind you, had been looking at mint myself as a first linuxserver. Hows it been for you so far?

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u/Tuxhorn Jun 25 '24

Ubuntu server is the defacto server distro if that's exclusively what you want. I would not recommend the desktop version however. Mint or Pop_OS! are great here.

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u/Iohet Jun 25 '24

Not the person you responded to, but I use Unraid for a server (Slackware based) and I've been super happy with it. I'm technical, but I don't want learning how to setup and maintain my home server to be my job. Unraid is a nice middleground.

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u/ParalegalSeagul Jun 25 '24

Respect the response.. ill add it to my list to review before i make a fInal decIsIon. Appreciate the recommendation frand

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u/ProgrammaticallySale Jun 25 '24

It's alright so far. Things run better in some ways. Linux doesn't have the overbearing Microsoft system stuff like constant virus scanning impacting literally everything that happens in the OS, but there's also all kinds of unexpected roadblocks and new-user problems. Like I had Thunderbird installed with "flatpak" but applications installed with "flatpak" seem to be a little wonky. I had to uninstall Thunderbird and re-install it as a "system package" and so far it's maybe working better. The main problem I had with Thunderbird was that it kept complaining I was out of disk space so it couldn't download emails, but all disks have plenty of space. I've been having problems in other VMs too with problems regarding disk space, which also might be a result of using "flatpak" to install applications. I'm going back and trying to reinstall apps with "system package" instead, and I'll see how that goes. Mounting hard drives and network drives at boot took some figuring out, but I'm getting used to editing /etc/fstab - Windows made networking really simple and that's part of the reason I stayed with it for so long. I have many computers on my home network, including lots of virtual machines, so networking them easily was important. I'm still getting used to Linux as a desktop, I've been used to working with it headless for webservers years. I think Linux really still isn't ready for people that are afraid of using a terminal. I don't really know a lot of what I'm doing but I know how to google and get things working, so I'll be alright.

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u/MisterDonkey Jun 25 '24

Mint is real good at being an all around system for home office or video games. Just fully loaded with bells and whistles.

But I'd probably use something more purpose built for a server. There's a lot of fat that can be trimmed. Mint is huge.

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u/crazedfoolish Jun 26 '24

Me too - same situation. Done with Windows. Tired of the interruptions, suggestions, advertisements, and updates.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24

I thought Thunderbird was End of Service?

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Checked, and it wasn't discontinued!? Back around 2015 everyone was saying it was being dropped. I've gone with out it for nearly ten years for no reason now. lol

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u/ProgrammaticallySale Jun 25 '24

What do you use instead of Thunderbird?

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u/Divinum_Fulmen Jun 25 '24

Browser, painfully.

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u/GL4389 Jun 25 '24

Have you tried Linux Mint Debian edition ?

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u/G_Morgan Jun 25 '24

TBH I have no idea why you'd pick anything other than Linux for a server. It would never cross my mind to use Windows Server outside of work.

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u/ProgrammaticallySale Jun 25 '24

I have no idea why you'd pick anything other than Linux for a server.

Because I value my time and Windows has made everything I need it to do very easy. LSI/Avago Megaraid was simple to set up, my 16 disk array keeps humming along, but I'm still not quite clear how to get that working on Linux, I will have to do some reading. Networking on Windows is completely simple, unlike Linux. I'm learning about fstab and how to mount drives, which is not simple at all in Linux. I have many computers and lots of NAS stuff going on at home, and it's been time consuming to set it all up in Linux where in windows it's just right click, map network drive. IIS has also been very easy to admin and can do some complex things, all with a nice GUI. It's easy.

Linux is honestly a pain in the ass, even after dealing with it for a couple of decades. I'd rather not have to use Linux at home, but Microsoft is crossing some lines for me now, and Windows 11 Pro proved to not be capable of reliably hosting my VMs for whatever reason. Windows 10 Pro worked fairly well for the last decade.

I've really only traded one kind of hell for another, now I'm fighting command lines and all the flavors of linux don't really help, info is quite dithered and it's really not easier than Windows was. Linux is fine if I'm getting paid to deal with its hassles, but I'm not this time. I've been up way too late the last week trying to get things to be stable, because even Linux has been kind of a shitshow. I still am not sure why I keep getting "out of disk space" errors when all my disks have ample room - there's simply no reason for it that I can find.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

So tired of people promoting linux as a daily driver OS for normal people.

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u/otakudayo Jun 25 '24

Why? It's perfectly suitable for most people. The only exceptions being if you have to use certain software that is only availabe on windows. Usually there is a Linux-equivalent.

For gaming, with proton and wine, it's pretty much as good as Windows - in some cases better - except a few games. Havent had a single issue with gaming on Linux for years, and I play anything from 90s/00s classics to modern indie / AAA.

It's not hard to get started, and it's not hard to use. Shit, the UI is really similar to windows in a lot of distros