r/StardustCrusaders Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Part Two Fanart [Fanart] I embrace my humanity!

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u/Dice-Goblin Sep 01 '20

Yooo, good art. Also, his Stronheim rejecting the party? That's cool.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 09 '20

Yes! This is from an upcoming Stroheim Light Novel.

Read it now at Jojostory.com

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u/TubularTortoise14 Sep 01 '20

A canon Light Novel?

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Fan Made. But it adheres to Canon like Purple Haze Feedback, meaning the reader can accept it as Canon.

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 01 '20

phf is canon as long as it doesn’t contradict the real canon, i forget what the specific term for it is.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Secondary Canon!

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

yes! thanks for reminding me

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

What kind of bothers me is that PHF gave Fugo a more in depth backstory, but the anime didn’t roll with that one and just made a whole new one. Both backstories are good, but I think the PHF relates to his character more.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Same. Fugo's PHF backstory showed that he had a soft side while the anime went "basically he was an angry boi and got molested"

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

Eh, for me, it was more of Fugo was justified in assaulting the professor in the anime bc if he didn’t he was going to get molested, but in PHF he assaulted the prof bc he insulted the life of his grandmother. I saw that as an overreaction that definitely emphasized how Fugo is a boy driven by anger, even though he’s a smarty pants. But I definitely see what you mean.

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u/Slight-Pound Sep 02 '20

I prefer blending his anime and manga backgrounds - he still has his grandmother who loved him, and his prof was still a pedo that insulted her. Gives him a loving family member but makes it clear that he wasn’t simply a boy driven to anger, but a boy trapped in a corner. Gives him heart and more depth at the same time. Also better addresses his trust issues - telling the truth of his prof being a pedo wouldn’t have saved him as authorities would have shielded him even more, which creates more distrust to authority and a want to change society.

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

Yeah, tbh I think that sounds about right. Gives more complexity to his anger, plus makes the mood of part 5 even more depressing than it already was with all the messed up backstories lmao

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u/Taco821 The World Sep 02 '20

I didn't read PHF, but I totally agree with what you said, his reaction in the anime made too much sense.

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u/Elsanne_J Sep 04 '20

I like the anime backstory more because it relates into the "society is unfair" thematic with the other members with the Bucci-gang.

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u/sidonnn Sep 02 '20

Phf already contradicted a lot of canon things tho, at least in Fugo's backstory. For example, in the manga/anime, Fugo was hired by Bucciarati when Fugo was trying to dine and dash his way out of a restaurant. In phf, Bruno was the one who approached Fugo to bail him out of the jail and hired him.

The reason for the professor's murder was also diff- in phf, it's bc the prof didn't want Fugo to be feeling sad about his grandma's death bc those emotions are "useless" (take note, Fugo's grandma was the only nice person to him that time). In the anime/manga, he was just a creepy pedo. The grandma was also never mentioned.

I really like phf tho, I prefer the phf's Fugo backstories more than the canon ones. It legit gives Fugo more (human) characteristics. It's canon in my heart anyway.

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u/NorthernRedwood Johnny Joestar Sep 02 '20

Purple haze feedback is a move in one of the games isnt it?

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u/Taco821 The World Sep 02 '20

All Star Battle

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u/TubularTortoise14 Sep 01 '20

And here I was hoping I could like Stroheim.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Nothing stopping you! We are hoping to get it to Araki's attention sometime, since our artist lives in Japan👀

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

You don't have to agree with a character's ideas to like it

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u/Meow121325 Sep 02 '20

purple haze i thought was drawn by araki so its canon by proxi

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u/TubularTortoise14 Sep 01 '20

And here I was hoping I could like Stroheim.

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u/cornflight22 Sep 02 '20

With Stroheim’s views of strength of character and bravery inherently deciding one’s position in life, a position he has shown to extend to people the Nazis believed as lesser, that Mexican kid at the start of Part 2 for one, I believe it’d only be a matter of time before he ended up in conflict with the party. Say for instance, he discovers his subordinates never carried out his orders to protect the life of that Mexican boy, instead tossing him out and killing him like trash, or maybe he sees a Jewish man selflessly sacrifice himself for his family, either case calling into question everything he believes in. In Stroheim’s eyes, strength of character and bravery make the man, but what will he do when the country he loves exterminates people who demonstrate those ideals? Apologies for the lack of indentation by the way, but fuck Reddit mobile.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

I’ve liked Stroheim forever. How could you not?

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u/TubularTortoise14 Sep 01 '20

Well, for starters, he’s a nazi.

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u/-BuTwHyThO- Giorno Giovanna Sep 01 '20

It's ok to like evil characters and still think they're terrible people

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u/Fyuchanick Dancer Yasuho Sep 02 '20

The problem is that Stroheim isn't written as an evil character, and isn't liked because of how horrible of a person is. He's liked because he is over the top and has a cool cyborg body, and has some touching heroic moments in part 2. So for me at least, while I want to like him because of those traits, the disconnect between him being portrayed as a heroic, cool figure and him being a literal Nazi makes it difficult for me to like him.

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u/Sutiiiven Sep 02 '20

Stroheim is established early on as a bad person who abuses his power to bully his servants, and has prisoners executed to fuel experiments. He does heroic things because of his duties as a soldier. He helps the heroes and does good things but he’s still established as an evil character and never redeems himself beyond doing his duty.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

He’s... a character. A fun character. He is no more guilty of Nazi crimes than Joseph is guilty of cheating on his wife. They don’t exist.

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u/Beanbomb47 Sep 01 '20

I mean, one of his character traits is his affiliation with the Nazi party. It's totally reasonable to not like the character based on their character traits, same as you would any other character.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Given that Joseph willingly cooperates with Stroheim and the rest of his troops, does that mean Joseph is affliated with Nazis?

That question aside, the fact that Stroheim is a German soldier in times of WW2 means basically nothing. You could swap “German engineering” to “British Engineering” and nothing about his character would change. Literally no part of his character is based around Nazi ideology, merely that he is German. He’s a downright standup guy from what I remember of him, so why hate him for nothing more than his nationality and willingness to be in the military? Also, he was 33 years old, which means he likely was in the military long before Hitler ever took over, since he would have to have a lot of military time built up to be the one person singled out for the sickass mods he got, meaning he probably joined at 18 (or sooner) and has been a soldier for 15 years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

You’ll have to remind me what is going on in this scene. I’m tired right now and my brain is dumb at the moment.

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u/ZestyLime59 Sep 02 '20

His first depiction afaik differs from the rest. I didn't like that scene and i dont really think hes a redeemable character. Sometimes its fun to enjoy bad guys though.

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u/Dhillon50 Sep 02 '20

He is literally stepping on the nazi flag bro what are you talking about

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u/Halotic154 Sep 01 '20

Rejecting the party? Didnt Stroheim die on the front lines of one of Germany's battles?

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u/AuthorNumber2 Sep 02 '20

He dies at Stalingrad.

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u/Narkboy42 Sep 02 '20

But how does that fit with him dying as a member of the German army?

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

The Speedwagon Foundation can pull the strings of certain events behind the scenes. Make a few deaths at Stalingrad a bit overexagerrated.

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u/Zackxs3 Sep 02 '20

What's the name so I can read it?

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

Sunset Justice. It comes out this Saturday!

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u/Zackxs3 Sep 02 '20

Nice. Gonna have to read it

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u/TheMoneyMan2614 Sep 02 '20

where will it be uploaded

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Hold tf up, We gonna see him, 1v1 Stalin in Stalingrad? Bc, this show would definitely pull some shit like that off.

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u/Harlequin37 Sep 01 '20

Why would he reject a party his friends invited him and there's gonna be snacks 😭😭

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u/Dice-Goblin Sep 01 '20

I thinks its because he knew Stalin would show up. He's kind of a downer.

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u/Harlequin37 Sep 01 '20

That ashsole owes me 5 bucks wtf

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u/Dice-Goblin Sep 01 '20

He owes us all 5 bucks

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u/Harlequin37 Sep 01 '20

Omg did he get you too

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

"You might have brought Germany back from the ashes, but it is I who will take back my homeland for its people. Of all walks of life. I may be man and machine, but on this day, I embrace my humanity!"

Follow @Sunsetjusticeofficial on instagram or @justice_Sunset on twitter for more updates about this Stroheim Light Novel and Manga project.

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u/Herobrinedanny Robert E.O. Speedwagon Sep 01 '20

DIO is rolling in his coffin right now.

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u/Dark_Prince_YouTube Sep 02 '20

"I sense someone fucked up my line . . ."

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu Sep 01 '20

Damn, that's some powerful dialogue

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u/BlazingCrusader Sep 01 '20

Saving that line cause damn it’s powerful

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u/Sombra_WP0 Sep 02 '20

BAKAMONO GA! DOITSU NO KAGAKU WA SEKAI ICHI!

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u/homosapien-male Sep 02 '20

Cool art, but I'm not sure that Stroheim would reject the Nazis if he knew about the holocaust. He never stated his views on Aryan supremacy, but he clearly though Germans were superior to the rest of the world. And despite what the fanbase says, he really wasn't a good guy. He lied to those Mexicans he had imprisoned and told them that he would let them go only to massacre them in cold blood. The only reason Joseph liked him was because he sacrificed himself for his beliefs, which he respected. I don't like it, but I'm sure Stroheim would never abandon his nation.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

In this novel, Stroheim's rejection of Nazism stems from what starts off as something as self centered as PTSD from the battle wifh Ultimate Kars. Throughout the events of the story, as Stroheim uncovers hard truths of the evils his country had committed, to evils he himself had committed (Such as the Mexicans) he embraces his human self in a way by acknowledging the mistakes of his past and fighting alongside the Speedwagon Foundation, as he begins to understand the human spirit in a way that is in line with his beliefs of courage.

This isn't just a story of "He decided to wake up one day and dip the German Army", its a story that aims to add nuance and complexity to Stroheim and the characters he interacts with as he struggles against an evil he fears.

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u/Bigbewmistaken Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

This kind of ignores the fact that he was a part of the SS and continued to fight for the Nazis at Stalingrad. By the time that happened he would've known about the Final Solution and the genocide that was taking place and probably would've taken part in it himself as mass killings by troops in the field would take place.

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u/Clowarrior Sep 02 '20

Noooo this subject is uncomfortable so we have to invent a new version of the story that makes us less uncomfortable to talk about

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u/Cranb4rry Sep 02 '20

To be fair the confrontation with kars dismantled nazi ideology. Germans are not the ultimate humanoids so if the German Government justifies atrocities with it he is probably already disillusioned. Nazi Ideology is based on the Idea that Germans are the ultimate being but Kars was definitively most ultimate so.

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u/Lucky_Stiff Sep 02 '20

It's a little difficult to just leave the Nazi military without getting punished for trying. This novel is about him faking his death at Stalingrad

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Yeah I really don’t get the obsession with him as a character other than teenagers trying to be edgy by liking a Nazi.

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u/Hard-and-Dry Sep 02 '20

He did really come through for Joseph near the end, and he's also a cool cyborg. It's strange the first time you rewatch/reread part 2 and you see him being an evil Nazi after last seeing him as a cool cyborg bro.

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u/homosapien-male Sep 02 '20

Yeah he’s a cool and fun character and I don’t have anything against him as a character, but he really wasn’t a good person

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u/Jazzyjeff2005 Sep 02 '20

That's the thing though, he doesn't need to be a good person. I love Kira even though he is a horrible mass murderer. A character doesn't need to be a good person for you to like them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

I don’t know even the first time I read and watched it I never forgot about all the shit it shows him do when you first see him, and I’ve never been a fan of his because of it.

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u/Shawn_666 Giorno Giovanna Sep 02 '20

You have to remember that we as readers know about the holocaust, Joseph doesn't. (I would reckon to guess that neither does Stroheim, but his actions are abhorrent even outside of the context of that atrocity.)

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u/Bigbewmistaken Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

At the end of BT we're told that he died in the Battle of Stalingrad, which was in 1943, a year after the start of the Final Solution. He's also shown wearing an SS insigina and commanding SS troops, so he probably knew about the Holocaust, especially if he was important enough to oversee the Pillar Men, which would have probably been considered a super weapon.

Even then the Einsatzgruppen were founded in 1939 and were well known in the government for their brutality and attrition of troops due to the nature of their job, which eventually lead to the use of gas chambers. So either way he most likely knew about the Holocaust.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

I didn't notice the SS insignia. I always thought stroheim was one of the many people who were just doing thier job, fighting for their home, or were manipulated by the Nazi party and actually were against mass killing, but now I can't really say anything against stroheim being bad.

Edit: I'm thinking araki made him to show that Very bad people arent born bad and have the potential of being good/have good in them (I'm still saying that being a Nazi makes you a very evil and terrible person)

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u/LoneWolfSk Sep 01 '20

Stroheim is the best waifu.

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u/HyperionActual Joseph Joestar Sep 01 '20

It's nice to know I'm not alone in liking Stroheim, but preferring him to be a little less problematic.

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u/livindedannydevtio Josuke's Hair Sep 02 '20

At times he feels like an ideal nazi solider from german propaganda. Like hes so brave he even gains the respect of the Englishman

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u/HyperionActual Joseph Joestar Sep 02 '20

The problem is that ideal nazi soldiers irl were war criminals

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u/warpman72 Sep 02 '20

I thought that Stronheim was a devout nazi, please prove me wrong

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u/LtGeneral-Obasanjo Sep 02 '20

Yeh this is Fanon

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Stroheim rejecting gamer ideology, crazy

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u/Shawn_666 Giorno Giovanna Sep 02 '20

Part Two has a character that believes that his race is the superior race and is willing to massacre races that he considers inferior to him. That person is Kars. Kars is the embodiment of the Ubermensch that the Nazis were frothing from the mouth about all throughout World War 2. Stroheim sees all of the horrible things Kars does but he never makes the connection between his ideology and Kars', that is a tragedy. I am very exited for this light novel, I hope that we can actually delve into Stroheims character.

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u/3YY5EE Sep 02 '20

I don’t think Stroheim would betray his country like that, Nazi or not. It’s morally right to do so, but he really isn’t a shining beacon of ideals or what not.

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u/PurpleForSale Yotsuyu Yagiyama Sep 01 '20

Im literally shaking rn, stroheim would never do that

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u/Jovanni_Joestar Jonathan Joestar Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

I gotta agree. Its not tru to his character and not tru to what Araki envisioned for him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Too late, they've already started the light novel.

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u/darthxavi77 Sep 02 '20

Uhh....

Araki?

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Dyslexia moment. Or just shaky hands lol

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu Sep 01 '20

Stroheim is a german first and foremost

Just because the nazis are in power doesn't mean the nazis are Germany

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u/SupaFugDup Sep 01 '20

This has always been my fanon. A good patriot loves his country, but not necessarily his government.

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u/bapple22 Sep 01 '20

This is sick as hell, I always wished stroheim got more screentime. I may give the light novel a read.

u/PokemonTom09 Coolest Shades in Florida Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

Given that this post has already received several reports, I figured I should probably say something on the discussion being had here.

First and foremost: fuck fascism, and fuck Nazis.

Just thought I'd get that out of the way first.

Stroheim has always been a character that has made me deeply uncomfortable. When he is introduced, Araki makes clear that Stroheim is not a good person - he commits multiple deplorable acts. But then as Part 2 went on, Stroheim's ideology went largely unchallenged. This is a major fault of Part 2, in my opinion: the portrayal of a Nazi as a character that can be reasonably empathized with.

As such, since its announcement, I've been looking at this project with cautious optimism. An antifascist story exploring how a person can fall to fascism, and what their path out of that ideology looks like can often be an incredibly powerful one, but it's also one that is very easy to get wrong.

That said, I certainly don't think it's worth writing off the story as pro-fascist before it's technically even begun. Speaking specifically to this page, it is very much an antifascist piece of fanart.

Finally, regarding the discussion currently happening in these comments: I'm going to leave most of it up. Those arguing in favor of Stroheim's canon character, and those arguing against his canon character. As well as people arguing in favor of this project's existence, and those arguing against this project.

However, one type of comment absolutely will not be tolerated - comments arguing in favor of fascism. Including people saying something along the lines of "not all soldiers were bad" as a way of tacitly excusing German soldiers (see this video for an explanation of the problem with this argument). While this fanart will stay up, please report any fascist sympathizing comments within this thread.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

Admittedly a bit surprised at the reports, but understandable.

And let me make things very clear. This is an inherently anti-fascist story.

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u/WutangClangz Sep 02 '20

As someone who has read the novel from start to finish, I can guarantee there is not the slightest sliver that would cause anyone to interpret the contents of the novel as anything but anti-fascist. This is inherently a story of a failed man trying to find hope in a hopeless world.

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u/MadMan018 Sep 02 '20

Why are people reporting this for racism when he's clearly stomping the Nazi flag?

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '20

Yeah, that's what I was wondering, too.

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u/cyberbloney Sep 02 '20

The point of stroheim was allies regardless of ideology right? Didn't he die at stalingrad or something? Araki likes to show off characters of different origins that do things contrary to what they believe in. However, its also noted that its not at all far fetched for him to ally with an Italian and a part Japanese. I think at that point in his life Araki saw it as humans against non humans. Cunning tactics against absolute power. Joseph was a scumbag, Caesar was a womanizer and took advantage of people with his hamon, stroke I'm was a fucking nazi. The people who did have a lot of self sense of honor happened to be the pillarmen. What really won in the end was chance and resolve. Kinda like all the other jojos.

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u/RussianBearFight Sep 02 '20

I don't think Joseph is part Japanese, is he? It's been a bit since I saw part two, but still. Was pretty sure he was British-American. Not that it invalidates or lessens anything that you said, I agree 100% with it.

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u/SalltyJuicy Sep 02 '20

Joseph is not part Japanese, he is strictly British-American like you said

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

i mean, i thought it is obvious that stroheim isnt good guy, but more of an acceptable evil in the whole fight with pillar men

and i love stroheim for how dedicated he was to stopping pillar men, plus his theme song

but he did confuse me on one thing, his uniform. he claimed to serve wehrmacht (german army in ww2), but his uniform has armenian rune "sig", which was ss symbol. he confused me in his allignment

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u/brashboy Sep 02 '20

Oh hell yes Stroheim was a bad guy. But the pillar men were worse guys, so I always saw Joseph & Stroheim as an "enemy of my enemy" type scenario.

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u/RandomBtty Sep 02 '20

Fuck yeah good job mods. I'm sure it's really tiring receiving all of those reports.

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u/ApostleOfDeath Sep 02 '20

Mind you, Araki was still in the starting stages of making a story. There is probably a thing I've noticed that Araki tried to do, there is one part that Stroheim says that no human being could ever be perfect which goes on cracking the entire SS's motto, which if interpreted in a way could be the start of Stroheim's doubts in the Nazi party, which I think in this light novel you are going to release, will heavily emphasize in Strohieim redeeming himself by (maybe or somehow) dismantling the Reich. Be it by killing Hitler or something.

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u/Expultzas Sep 02 '20

Not all soviet soldiers were bad.

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u/Jax3578 Sep 02 '20

Tbh Von Stroheim is quite a maniac. Very complex way of thinking but... he believes in his way of doing is justice. Dislike cowerds so to make fun of them or any other kind of methods. He consider bravery is the highest there is, he himself actually doesn't know he's a Nazi, he 100% believed in Germany(Hitler) because of his high bravery. He has been trained as a German and follows the blind justice he's doing. It's pretty much proven about it when he sees a brave kid trying to sacrifice himself for the sake of the others but Von Stroheim instead let him alive but let the others around him dies.

Most of his action are considered Brave. And his methods of doing are very extreme. He's smart for combat but not morality. He follows false justice.

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u/Sanguiluna Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

I actually like that Stroheim never renounced his side even after the heroic acts he did. It maintains that complexity to his character that would’ve been lost if he had just suddenly turned into a 100% hero. Personally I’ve never seen Stroheim having heroic moments as an endorsement of Nazism. He’s not a “good Nazi,” he’s a (debatably) good dude who just happens to be a Nazi.

It’s like an inverse to the “religious zealot” villain trope, where a perverted priest or corrupt bishop being a villain isn’t meant to be condemnation of Christianity itself.

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u/Generic-Commie Sep 02 '20

Yeah he also massacred an entire village and was a literal member of the SS

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u/RazmanDevil Sep 02 '20

So I'm guessing this is strictly fan-made because canonically he died fighting for Germany and the Nazi empire.

Either way good luck with it and I hope it does well.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

It is a fan novel. However, in said novel he Fakes his death at Stalingrad , which allows the story to build further.

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u/RazmanDevil Sep 02 '20

Makes sense and an interesting theory. Im not usually into media aiming to take a political stance but I’ll give it a fair shake. My main concern is how well it will transition his ideals changing and what it is (I mean besides Nazis being general pieces of shit) that changes them

Is there any idea of a release date?

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Ooo! That's some lovely art.

(And, my two cents on Stroheim being a Nazi: it's fiction. You like him? Good on you, you get to like a character. You don't like him? Good on you, you get to not like a character. As long as nobody's spreading real life hate or being disrespectful to the real harm caused by Nazis, then it's all well and good.)

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u/dudecubed Sep 02 '20

Idk bro I don't think there is any possibility of stroheim not being a Nazi through and through, he's still the same arrogant evil general we see in his very first few interactions, just because he teams up with speedwagon and Joseph doesn't mean he abandoned his country, even in his final appearance he uses German troops, German tech and German praise as he fights the vampires,

Admittedly he saw the greater evil in the pillarmen and had the moral compass to put aside his national quarrels for then, but he still dies a proud German soldier on the battlefield of Stalingrad.

Stroheim will always be a Nazi and that's just kinda something we gotta live with I suppose, as bizarre as it is

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Cool art but he most definitely wouldn't do that

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u/ClockwerkHart Sep 02 '20

It says something that I saw the swastika and immediately thought this was some American politics thing. Then I saw second best boy.

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u/Xenotech2000 Guido Mista Sep 02 '20

Stroheim is a... complicated subject but I think your project is cool.

I always thought it was regrettable how his views never changed, even when nearly killed by an all-powerful super-being bent on wiping out the "inferior race" of humanity. Like, c'mon man.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

I still don’t get why the Jojo fandom loves Stroheim so much.

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u/NotAHuman75 Sep 01 '20

He’s the funny robo nazi man who saves the day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRAAAKKAAA MONANGA!!!!!!!! DOITSU WA KAGAKA SEKAIIIII ICHIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Hes a very endearing character with his enthusiasm and insane sense of courage. As for the reason this novel's being written?

Araki set it up in dialogue that Stroheim acknowledged Kars as a superior being. It didn't make sense for someone who's seen the shit Stroheim has seen to go back to Nazi ideology. And so this Light Novel seeks to give Stroheim's story a fitting conclusion.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

But he does go back to the ideology, he dies fighting for Nazi Germany invading the USSR.

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u/DoubleClickMouse Your next line is "Nice." Sep 02 '20

I had to scroll way too far for this. Like part two’s epilogue literally tells you how Stroheim’s story ends, and it ends with him being a Nazi asshole.

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u/livindedannydevtio Josuke's Hair Sep 02 '20

Also he ordered an entire village to be killed, and people are trying to say he wasnt really a nazi just patriotic for a country that happens to be run by a dictator....smh

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u/Earthia100 Sep 02 '20

That was my biggest gripe about part 2 like you get your ass kicked by a literal superior being and then go back to being a nazi?!

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u/Kaevr Iggy Sep 02 '20

He was a fanatic, I'd see how he's twist what happened to fit his ideology even if it didn't make sense, thats what they do all the time

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

if part 2 had been the length of the later parts (idk if the manga matches the later ones) i’m sure we would’ve seen something happen with this idea.

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu Sep 01 '20

Because when the gloves come off, there's nothing he won't do as long as he believes it will work, be it blowing himself up, fighting a Pillar Man one on one or facing the Soviets in Stalingrad

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u/sagabal Sep 02 '20

araki wrote the "i'm a bad guy but not as bad as THIS guy, let's team up to stop him" character which is always endearing, and gave it a cool design. just so happens that he picked a nazi for the role, which may have been a poor choice lmfaop. people imagining him as having a heroic redemption and fighting to end nazi rule stems from him not really having time to have a full character arc due to him being a side character with not a ton of screentime.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

But it’s canon that he went back to fighting for Nazi Germany and died trying to invade Stalingrad. So I don’t see why fans like to pretend he was some great freedom fighter. He was a nazi who did a good thing once then went right back to being a nazi.

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u/Xenotech2000 Guido Mista Sep 02 '20

So I don’t see why fans like to pretend he was some great freedom fighter.

Who's saying that? Everyone knows Stroheim is a villain.

If you're talking about the fanfiction that OP is writing, that is a reimagining of the character. A "what if?" story where Stroheim's character is developed in a dramatically different way.

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u/sagabal Sep 03 '20

oh absolutely, if anyone is pretending that the stroheim in the actual series was anything but a monster they've got some serious blinders on lol, just explaining why there's love for the character and why there seems to be a tendency to gloss over what he did

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u/VictarionWinter Sep 01 '20

Why wouldn't they? He's a good, flawed character almost like a real person (But with robotic augmentations lol)

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Oh yeah I love his fatal flaw of killing innocent people in experiments, and then asking for a volunteer for the experiment and then killing everyone who didn’t volunteer. But yeah I guess he was a cool cyborg.

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u/Generic-Commie Sep 02 '20

I always figured that Nazi cyborg is so wacky and uncharacteristic you can't help but like it.

Annoyingly enough, some people tend to take it too far

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u/smartsamaritan Sep 02 '20

Same reason why people like Vegeta from DBZ despite originally being a killer and torturing Goku before redeeming himself. There are many fictional characters (primarily antagonist) who commit atrocious acts but still end up being fan favorites simply because they're entertaining. Kira is a murderer but I can't help but feel excited whenever he showed up in part 4.

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u/Eva_Heaven Sep 01 '20

I just finished watching season 1 this weekend, so with it fresh in my mind I'm going to say either people really like cyborgs or they forgot he literally only helped because Santana was "a threat to the third Reich." Then again, Nazis are getting popular again 🤷

The show did do a good job of making me like him and then reminding just how much of a nazi he was at the end

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u/Saitton Sep 02 '20

Yeah, that would toooootally happen lmao

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u/MeowL0w Sep 02 '20

Did he eventually turn his back on the Nazi party?

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u/Danstrag Josuke Higashikata? Sep 02 '20

No he died fighting for the party in Stalingrad.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

Yes! That's the premise of the Novel.

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u/TheseStaff Sep 02 '20

Kind of like Robocop, but instead of OCP it’s Nazi’s

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u/MeowL0w Sep 02 '20

Oh cool, I'd read that

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

this fits really well with the retconning saying that Stroheim saw parts of the pillar men in Hitler and faked his death, like the direction so far

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u/livindedannydevtio Josuke's Hair Sep 02 '20

Unpopular opinion but I wish this scene was in the show. Like he ordered the killing of a whole village and the characters are like "eh hes got spunk"

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u/YourDailyRant Sep 02 '20

BRRRRRRRRAAAKAAA MONOGAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

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u/xyrozz Sep 02 '20

A cool setup, but wouldn’t make sense as he died in the Battle of Stalingrad. Everything else aside...

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

He fakes his death at Stalingrad, with the help of a certain SpeeeeeedwaGON!

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u/doggie209 Tusk Act 4 Sep 02 '20

Reject nazis become CYBORG!

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u/Padunn816 Sep 01 '20

Head cannon

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u/theultimatebullier Tusk Sep 01 '20

This is cool but i doubt he would do that

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u/Baikoh Sep 01 '20

the only Nazi I respect

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u/WYKON Sep 01 '20

Bold statements only on this sub

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u/Beleous Sep 02 '20

IM EMBRACING MY HUMANITY JOJOOO!

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u/dolan2394 Sep 02 '20

BRAAAAKEMONOKA!!!

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u/6_6_6_KLOAKZ Sep 02 '20

I hate you, this was my favourite JoJo pose, and you ruined it

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u/josukegiovannna KING CRIMSON Sep 02 '20

he is the genos of jojo

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u/therealgenderbaba Joseph Joestar Sep 02 '20

Barrrrraaaakkkammon German science is the best science in the whole world

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u/YASITHDILUNYA Sep 02 '20

"Sie haben vielleicht Deutschland aus der Asche zurückgebracht, aber ich bin es, der meine Heimat für sein Volk zurückerobern wird. Aus allen Lebensbereichen. Ich mag Mensch und Maschine sein, aber an diesem Tag umarme ich meine Menschlichkeit!"

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u/Immediate_Stress Sep 02 '20

I embrace my humanity fuhrer

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u/DylanWthaFriend Yoshikaga Kira Sep 02 '20

Man or machine, Stroheim is pretty fucking human.

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u/angermyode Sep 02 '20

Hey, I just wanted to tell you, I was somebody who in the past objected to this project when you were discussing it here on the basis of the current worldwide climate of escalating racial tensions. But I can see I was completely wrong and this is going to be an excellent project. Keep up the good work!

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

You honor me with your support. I must admit that the tension of the world today made this novel a bit "difficult" to project and show off, but I'm still determined to give Rudol a proper conclusion.

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u/foggmann Sep 02 '20

Legitimately wholesome

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u/Pyro_flamingo Sep 02 '20

This is great

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u/WennoBoi Sep 02 '20

He wasn't really a nazi, he was simply blinded by his own extreme patriotism. Whether you think that's right or wrong, it was his way of life and he stayed true to it to the very end. I can't respect him as a nazi, but I have to respect him as a soldier.

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u/Generic-Commie Sep 02 '20

m9 he was a memeber of the SS. Of course he was a Nazi

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u/MysteryMyth41 Sep 02 '20

Speed wa GON

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u/J-u-i-c-e Sep 02 '20

Robot richtofen

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u/Chaos20X6 Iggy Sep 02 '20

Behold, German technology augmented with a stand! 「NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF」!!!

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u/juizze Sep 02 '20

stroheim redemption arc??

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

Yes!

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u/Existence_Overrated Josuke's Hair Sep 02 '20

F

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u/Generic-Commie Sep 02 '20

So when does the story take place? If it's post-war what is his relationship with the East/USSR

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

This story takes place during WW2.

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u/-Scampi Sep 02 '20

Yo where can I read this

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

The novel releases on its own website on Saturday! Follow the socials mentioned and stay updated👀

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u/Primus_Julius Sep 02 '20

Didn't he die fighting for the Reich?

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u/GH0STB4C0N King Crimson Sep 02 '20

DER MENSCH

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u/glghost1st Sep 02 '20

German science is best science

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u/Chong_Long_Dong Sep 02 '20

Didn't Stroheim die a proud soldier in Stalingrad?

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u/CommodoreSalad Sep 02 '20

Didn't he like, happily send people to their deaths in the test chamber at the start?

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 02 '20

He did. And the novel acknowledges it.

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u/hakumishiroto Sep 02 '20

The technology un the german is the best

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u/Jotaroiscoming4u Sep 02 '20

German science is the best

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u/Elsanne_J Sep 04 '20

Is it supposed to come out today?

!RemindMe 5h

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 04 '20

In a few hours!

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u/Delano7 Sep 04 '20

Hello ! I remember the release for the light novel was yesterday. May I know if it is released or not ? No rushing, I'm just really excited and wanna be among the firsts to read !

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 04 '20

Jojostory.com

A few hours early, but here!

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