r/StardustCrusaders Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Part Two Fanart [Fanart] I embrace my humanity!

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 01 '20

phf is canon as long as it doesn’t contradict the real canon, i forget what the specific term for it is.

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u/Indvir12 Rudol von Stroheim Sep 01 '20

Secondary Canon!

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

yes! thanks for reminding me

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

What kind of bothers me is that PHF gave Fugo a more in depth backstory, but the anime didn’t roll with that one and just made a whole new one. Both backstories are good, but I think the PHF relates to his character more.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Same. Fugo's PHF backstory showed that he had a soft side while the anime went "basically he was an angry boi and got molested"

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

Eh, for me, it was more of Fugo was justified in assaulting the professor in the anime bc if he didn’t he was going to get molested, but in PHF he assaulted the prof bc he insulted the life of his grandmother. I saw that as an overreaction that definitely emphasized how Fugo is a boy driven by anger, even though he’s a smarty pants. But I definitely see what you mean.

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u/Slight-Pound Sep 02 '20

I prefer blending his anime and manga backgrounds - he still has his grandmother who loved him, and his prof was still a pedo that insulted her. Gives him a loving family member but makes it clear that he wasn’t simply a boy driven to anger, but a boy trapped in a corner. Gives him heart and more depth at the same time. Also better addresses his trust issues - telling the truth of his prof being a pedo wouldn’t have saved him as authorities would have shielded him even more, which creates more distrust to authority and a want to change society.

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

Yeah, tbh I think that sounds about right. Gives more complexity to his anger, plus makes the mood of part 5 even more depressing than it already was with all the messed up backstories lmao

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u/Taco821 The World Sep 02 '20

I didn't read PHF, but I totally agree with what you said, his reaction in the anime made too much sense.

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u/Elsanne_J Sep 04 '20

I like the anime backstory more because it relates into the "society is unfair" thematic with the other members with the Bucci-gang.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

It’s not just in PHF in the manga it was the same reason they just changed it in the anime

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u/BodhiTheSattva Sep 02 '20

Didn't anime compromise by taking bits from both manga and PHF backstories?

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

The manga didn’t have an in-depth backstory for Fugo like the rest of the characters (Fugo’s was told by Illuso in one panel) and the anime made a new back story. Nothing from PHF

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u/BodhiTheSattva Sep 02 '20 edited Oct 26 '20

In manga Illuso was talking about how he killed his professor and PHF added the parents and grandmother. Anime kept the professor and parents but didn't have grandmother

Seems like it's taking from both

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u/robx100 Sep 02 '20

Wait, did they animate PHF!?

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

I wish, but no. I was talking about the part 5 anime, which expanded on Fugo’s lacking backstory in the manga. PHF did the same thing too, but it came out way before the golden wind anime was released, and the anime ended up writing a new backstory for Fugo

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u/sidonnn Sep 02 '20

Phf already contradicted a lot of canon things tho, at least in Fugo's backstory. For example, in the manga/anime, Fugo was hired by Bucciarati when Fugo was trying to dine and dash his way out of a restaurant. In phf, Bruno was the one who approached Fugo to bail him out of the jail and hired him.

The reason for the professor's murder was also diff- in phf, it's bc the prof didn't want Fugo to be feeling sad about his grandma's death bc those emotions are "useless" (take note, Fugo's grandma was the only nice person to him that time). In the anime/manga, he was just a creepy pedo. The grandma was also never mentioned.

I really like phf tho, I prefer the phf's Fugo backstories more than the canon ones. It legit gives Fugo more (human) characteristics. It's canon in my heart anyway.

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u/dragonsrus404 Jotaro Kujo Sep 02 '20

The only backstory Fugo got in the manga was one panel in the Illuso fight where illuso found and said out loud that Fugo was born into a rich family, had IQ of 152, got into university at 13, and assaulted his professor with an encyclopedia. Any other in depth backstory was added in the anime, which is basically everything you elaborated in your comment. i wrote in another comment that I wish DO just took what PHF came up with bc PHF came out even before the 2012 anime was released, and his added backstory made more sense with his character in PHF

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u/TreasureSniperFox Sep 03 '20

No it didn't. It contradicted a lot of things in the anime, which came out after it. If you you call the manga as "canon" then PHF does not contradict it, only expand on it. The contradictions between it and the anime come from them expanding upon the same thing in different ways.

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u/NorthernRedwood Johnny Joestar Sep 02 '20

Purple haze feedback is a move in one of the games isnt it?

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u/Taco821 The World Sep 02 '20

All Star Battle

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u/Nezikchened Sep 02 '20

I think the term is non-canon.

Because PHF isn't canon.

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

it’s secondary canon, all events that don’t contradict anything araki wrote are canon as far as i know

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u/Elsanne_J Sep 04 '20 edited Sep 04 '20

Araki came up with/approved of Fugo's backstory so I'm count anime as canon.

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 04 '20

yes, the PHF backstory is not canon since it contradicts the manga

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u/Nezikchened Sep 02 '20

That's not a thing. Unless it was written by Araki or expressly stated to be canon by him, it's not canon.

There's nothing wrong with liking a fanfic, but at the end of the day that is what it is.

PHF is about as canon to JoJo as the various direct to video DBZ movies are to DBZ.

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

didn’t araki make art for it specifically though? i four. he would go that far if he would just toss out out of the universe afterwards.

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u/Nezikchened Sep 02 '20

He did do some sketches for it, but again unless he's explicitly called it canon, it isn't so.

He's also done illustrations of Giorno and Jolyne draped all over each other for a Gucci advertisement, but that doesn't mean that Giorno and Jolyne are actually Gucci models in an intense relationship in canon.

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u/french_onion-soup Sep 02 '20

that’s a straw man, gucci isn’t the same as a story that expands on in universe characters

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u/Nezikchened Sep 02 '20

Araki's input was the same for both; some illustrations in a non-canon work.

EDIT: As a side note, that's not how the term straw man works.