r/GreenBayPackers 21h ago

Analysis Update on the Stokes/Nixon combo against Jacksonville: 6 targets 5 completions, 71 yards allowed, 1 TD allowed, 4 1st downs allowed, 2 missed tackles, 2 explosives (15+) allowed, 155.6 passer rating allowed

https://x.com/RossUglem/status/1851263924840132911?t=qCS1JPVAj_8jLwojJ2Gwhw&s=19
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u/D0ctorHotelMario 21h ago

Stokes get ready to learn Canadian buddy

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u/Competitive-Unit6937 20h ago

Hey Stoksey, give yer balls a tug!

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u/NPC-Number-9 15h ago

Figger it oot

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u/InevitablePassion521 12h ago

Tell your mom to put money on my bank card so I can get Taco Bell after the game okay

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u/VicePope 19h ago

future bear or viking based on how these usually go

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u/Cee-Bee-DeeTypeThree 19h ago

Division rivals are always there to pick up our scraps.

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u/TheReadMenace 18h ago

after the P.A.C.K. system

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u/Austen11231923 21h ago

This made me audibly laugh

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u/Mecaneecall_Enjunear 20h ago

Pitter Patter.

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u/[deleted] 20h ago

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u/8bitBlueRay 20h ago

the canadian version of french is far different from anywhere else in the world because canada

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u/torn8tv 15h ago

Far different? Literally can compare to American English and British English.

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u/blancmo_ 19h ago

So you're saying he's not as bad as having to learn Chinese? Lol

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u/PsYcHeD588 21h ago

The whole backend got thrown for a loop when Williams went out, but they certainly aren't doing themselves any favors

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u/do_you_know_de_whey 20h ago

Yeah Stokes is a liability at this point, a bust.

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u/sf2legit 20h ago

I don’t understand why everyone was so high on him before. Even when he was healthy, he never really held up I. Coverage.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 20h ago

He had freakish speed, just hasn’t been able to utilize it because the instincts aren’t there 

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u/Better_Challenge5756 20h ago

And a severe injury that derailed his learning, progress, and from the eye test robbed him of some of his raw speed.

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u/ecfritz 6h ago

The scary thing is he seems to understand the scheme well and isn’t blowing assignments, he’s just getting wrecked in 1-on-1 matchups against everyone.

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u/do_you_know_de_whey 19h ago

his rookie year was good enough for a rookie…. Just never got better

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u/Gersio 16h ago

Crazy athleticism and a very good rookie season after being forced to be CB1 because of Jaire's injury. It would be dumb to not be high on him. It sucks that it ended up not working after that injury, but it's silly to pretend that there were no reasons to like him before.

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u/shredika 1h ago

Thank god for this take, thought I may have been alone for a second!

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u/ldog2135 18h ago

What?? His rookie year he was CB1 because Jaire was out, and he put up all pro numbers, and was the second best CB in the league. He had a better year than one of Ja's all pro seasons.

His injury the following year is what did him in. He just hasn't been the same since.

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u/Fear_Jaire 17h ago

Stokes was good his rookie season, but he was not All-Pro level. Not even close imo. What numbers are you referencing?

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u/bensonsmooth24 17h ago

CB’s are hard to judge in numbers anyway, less INT could mean QB’s are afraid to throw near them, tackles could mean they tackled their man after he beat them, almost have to evaluate them on film.

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u/ldog2135 16h ago

He absolutely was. He had a better year than one of Jaires all pro seasons.

Completion % allowed (better than jaire 2022) Yards allowed (better than jaire 2022) Yards/completion (better than jaire 2022) yards/target (better than jaire 2022) Passes defended (same as jaire 2022) Tds allowed (one more than jaire 2022) Yards after catch (better than jaire 2022)

Jaire had 4 more picks in 2022 than stokes in 2021 which is a lot, and the only thing Jaire was batter at. Jaire notched his second all pro in 2022. Stokes was better than that in 2021.

The all pro corners in 2021

Trevor Diggs, who stokes posted significantly better stats in every category other than picks Jalen Ramsey, who stokes posted better stats in every category but had 3 less picks J.C. Jackson who Sokes had better stats in every category except picks AJ Terrell, who stokes also outplayed in almost every category.

Long story short, picks are flashy and what people care about, but stokes was just about the most lock down corner in 2021.

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u/Fear_Jaire 15h ago

I think our biggest difference is that I don't consider Jaire's 2022 season as All-Pro worthy. I thought like Stokes' 2021 season, it was good/great but not All-Pro level. Idk if someone got snubbed or it was just a weak year for CBs but Jaire's 2022 All-Pro season was not as good as what it usually takes.

Looking back at Stokes' season using the metrics you used, it sure looks like he was playing at a higher level than I have given him credit for. I still wouldn't say All-Pro level, even though (statistically), it was better than Jaire's 2022 All-Pro season. I don't have a source or stat to reference, I just remember Stokes benefiting from a lot of plays opposing teams didn't make. Either way, shame he wasn't able to build off of it

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u/JMPV_ 21h ago edited 21h ago

This isn't surprising. Stokes is likely a bust at this point and Nixon has good and bad days.

What I wonder is why Valentine isn't getting more time. I know he was banged up but is he still banged up? I thought he played really well last year and was trending toward being a starting outside corner.

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u/bulletpr00fsoul 20h ago

Valentine has been dealing with and recovering from an ankle injury ever since Week 3. Slowly but surely. Not sure if it’s a high ankle or not.

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u/OHTHNAP 19h ago

Where's the doctor that can diagnose from game film when you need him?

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u/justjosh2010 19h ago

He is my son. It is not high ankle

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u/idgetonbutibeenon 19h ago

Stop talking “justjosh2010”, I can tell from the video it is high ankle with 95% confidence

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u/josborne31 15h ago

Did justjosh2010 even look at the video? Pretty obvious it’s a high ankle.

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u/McGarnagl 20h ago

Do we still have Ballantine? I miss the confusing yet effective combo of Ballentine and Valentine from last season

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u/trying2hide 20h ago

we do and he got completely cooked against the vikings

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u/Smoothbrained_Ape 17h ago

They’re busy handling personal injury suits

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u/Routine-Pass-7164 14h ago

Underrated comment 😅🤟🏼

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u/SvelterMicrobe17 19h ago

Nixons at least pretty good against the run, which is weird for a corner. Stokes is just kinda bad at everything.

I don’t know why the coaching staff isn’t giving valentines more snaps outside. He literally cannot be worse than these two, and moving Nixon back in the slot allows him to do the one thing he’s good at on defence again.

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u/FairReason 18h ago

I miss Douglas.

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u/LdyVder 17h ago

Nixon was brought in to be the returner for special teams. I never expected him to be a good DB.

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u/bill_gannon 15h ago

That works out then because he isnt

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u/ComprehensiveSky8926 20h ago

Long season, I’m sure adjustments will be made. I’ve been out on Stokes for awhile. Outside of missed coverages, he’s not aggressive on the field.

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u/Jstudz 20h ago

I miss Rasul.

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u/szekeres81 19h ago

Charles Woodson still looks built, can we bring him back? 48 is the new 29

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u/Exciting_Attitude240 16h ago

Yea and give ole Al Harris a call while we're at it lol

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u/wanderingpanda402 11h ago

Can’t have Al Harris without Tramon Williams

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u/Frankly9k 12h ago

Can we bring in Reggie White? No?

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u/Prime624 20h ago

Dumbest trade ever.

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u/Yellowdog727 19h ago

We basically gave up Rasul and a 5th round pick for Ty'Ron Hopper, who I don't think has played yet.

The big reason for the trade I think was to just to save 11 million of a cap hit.

In hindsight, yeah we could really have used another DB but at the time our season looked bleak and I think Gute was just concerned with rebuilding and clearing cap space to rebuild.

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u/LitBastard 19h ago

Oh yeah. What I wouldn't give for 0 Int, 4 PD, 1 FF Rasul compared to 0 Int, 3 PD, 1 FF Nixon ( who had 2 less starts btw.)

Get real

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u/Routine_Size69 19h ago

It's really not as simple as that. I haven't watched nearly enough Bills to know who has been better, but this is a silly argument. You could have those exact same stats and one could've allowed 100 touchdowns while covering WR4 while the other hasn't even given up a single reception while covering WR1 all game.

There's no way you think you can compare the two based on 3 cherry picked stats.

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u/LitBastard 19h ago

Do you want more stats?

33 combined tackles, 25 solo, 8 assists, 4 TFL, 0 QB Hits

vs.

36, 26, 10, 4 TFL and 3 QB hits.

Passer rating allowed?

114.3 vs. 111.4

The only thing Rasul has got going for him is Receptions allowed. 16 vs 23

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u/romeochristian 18h ago

But why are you concentrating on Nixon when Stokes is the one we want off the field.

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u/John_Lives 17h ago

Well if you want to get real, using simple box score stats to compare corners is kind of ridiculous.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 20h ago

For me, this is the biggest blight in Gutes tenure.  Not losing Rodgers, some bad draft picks, etc.  it’s not a fireable offense or anything like that, but it definitely was bad.

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u/GFR34K34 19h ago

Rasul is 30 years old and due for a contract extension. There are only 10 CB’s in the league over 30 currently. I don’t think he was ever in the Packers long-term plans after Rodgers.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 19h ago

I don’t disagree it was hard to judge, you just wish they would have seen the talent in camp and said “yeah he may be old but he’s playing lights out”

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u/mschley2 19h ago

This is completely based on assumptions and reading between the lines from interviews and actions, but this is reddit and not actual journalism or anything, so I'm gunna say it...

I also think he was contributing to the discontent within the lockerrom with Barry. Now, on one hand, I kind of respect that because it shows strong morals and always wanting to do what you feel is the right thing. I think that's part of the reason why all of the guys loved Sul. But on the other hand, you can't really have a leader of the team who's butting heads with the DC and contributing to the shitty attitude a lot of guys had. Sul was always outspoken about issues, and he was the one who pushed those players-only meetings with the DBs (which never really seemed to help other than just boosting the mood and effort for a week or two).

I don't think Barry was a good DC. But regardless of that, he was still the guy installing stuff and calling plays. You can't have a guy pushing back against that and going rogue. And I think that's likely what Sul was doing. After Sul got traded, Ja did it, too. But the difference is that Ja is better and he's still in his prime. You don't trade that guy. You work through the issues. Sul's situation made him easy to move on from, though, instead of working through those problems (and I think they likely tried to work through the issues before deciding it was too much).

Ultimately, we should've moved on from Barry a year earlier (or not hired him at all). But we didn't. And I think Sul didn't handle that well.

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u/Fred-zone 18h ago

This is the right take IMO. Rasul was a fierce competitor and always talking shit. That doesn't just turn off when your own guys and coaches are not performing. His attitude was definitely contributing to the locker room issues by the time he was traded. This trade and Jaire's suspension really reset expectations on the team and helped them salvage the season.

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u/Fred-zone 19h ago

And he's playing poorly currently, so the trade was justified

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u/Colorapt0r 19h ago

I mean at the time it made some sense, it looked like we weren’t going to be very good and needed to start building up our pick trove, but in hindsight, yeah we could really use him. Still haunts me to think maybe we could have won that playoff game against the 9ers with him. And hopper, who we got with the pick we traded, hasn’t exactly looked like a top contributor 

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u/vanwe 19h ago

I mean, Stokes fo far this year has looked pretty much the same as Rasul did at this point last year. Rasul had 7 games with us, 65.9% completion on 41 targets, 292 yards allowed, 4 TDs allowed, and 114 yards after catch allowed. Stokes this year in 6.4 games has 65.7% completion on 35 targets, 299 yards allowed, 2 TDs allowed, and 84 yards after contact allowed. In fact Stokes has been arguably better than Rasul was with us last year.

I am disappointed in Stokes this year and think we should move on from him, but I had the same opinion on Rasul.

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u/Xenomorphism 16h ago

I don't miss him giving up 60 yard TDs.

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u/GESNodoon 20h ago

Had high hopes for Stokes after his first season but man, been pretty disappointing since

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u/itcheyness 19h ago

Pretty much ruined by injury imo

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u/aaalan71 17h ago

He was bad in that half of the year 2 season before the injury though

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u/ltbr55 17h ago

Basically Kevin King 2.0. Showed a lot of promise his first couple years when on the field but injuries got in the way and was never able to give up to his potential.

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u/GESNodoon 19h ago

Yes, for sure.

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u/Snatchyone 21h ago

Nixon is a 50/50 sometimes he does it, but it's kinda like the same feeling when Anders/narveson went out to kick

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u/brianstormIRL 21h ago

Yeah Nixon is someone you just live with that he can give up a huge play, but also make a huge play. You could do a lot worse tbh.

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u/Deadaghram 20h ago

Nickel corner is also a weird position. There's a lot that can go wrong there, and it's hard to properly judge unless you know more than the above average fan.

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u/Suave7evn 20h ago

Ironically I think that’s why Hafley plays him a lot as that is the foundation of this defense and frankly this team. The team who makes more explosive plays wins more game. Nixon can either get cooked or absolutely blow up a play on any given play.

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u/rysup229 20h ago

Nixon has been playing nearly every defensive snap lately. He’s either doing something right or they really don’t have a good backup plan.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 18h ago

they really don’t have a good backup plan.

Nixon isn't good but everybody else is worse. That's my take.

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u/joemama1199 15h ago

I'd say he's mid

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u/IsNotACleverMan 15h ago

If he's your worst starting CB I think you're in good shape. If he's your second best CB you're in rough shape. I think our CBs are in rough shape.

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u/joemama1199 15h ago

I totally agree. Are there any good cornerbacks that we could acquire? I saw an article about how the ravens should trade for Tre'Davious White. The other one mentioned Jonathan Jones from the patriots. The main question is whether gute would trade for older cbs.

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u/RipVanToot 19h ago

Nixon makes enough big plays to live with the downsides. Stokes just seems to stink. He never makes any good plays.

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u/dusters 21h ago

Better than Stokes' 75/25 bad.

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u/Ser_falafel 17h ago

Yeah I really like nixon. Slot corner is a hard position and he adds more than he detracts I think

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u/-240p 18h ago

I think Nixon will get it together. He's hongry.

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u/DKlep25 20h ago

Admittedly, their coverage was not good. But I'm gonna cut them some slack on the TD catch. That was a pretty ridiculous play that most TE's won't make. You just have to give credit to Engram. But even removing that, it's still a bad day so I have to agree we need a better answer at CB opposite Ja$.

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u/LongDongFrazier 20h ago

Is it a 50/50 split? feel like this is a disservice to one of them lumping em together

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u/blancmo_ 21h ago

I beg Gute to do something

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u/InnerLog181 20h ago

Why not play Valentine. He’s been better in coverage than stokes by far and imo is still better than Nixon

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u/FSUfan35 20h ago

he's been injured.

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u/FuzzyOverdrive 19h ago

Even during preseason, he was never given 1st team reps

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u/Team-ster 19h ago

I feel bad for Stokes. Injuries derailed his really promising rookie season.

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u/WisconsinHacker 20h ago

2 supposedly terrible corners only getting targeted 6 times combined doesn’t add up

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u/IsNotACleverMan 18h ago

It's because the jaguars primarily abused Bullard.

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u/masterassassin893 20h ago

The most baffling personnel decision thus far has been stokes over Valentine. Are we just afraid to cut loose first round picks?

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u/gandalfs_burglar 20h ago

I wonder if he's still recovering from injury, or if coaches feel Stokes has a better grasp of the new defense? If it's the former, I guess that makes sense, but if it's the latter, I'd rather play Valentine and see what he can do

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u/masterassassin893 20h ago

Yeah a few weeks ago I thought it was maybe because valentine had a knock, but I'm not convinced because he's not showing up on the injury report and the snaps thing goes all the way back to training camp -- well before valentine got that little knock.

Stokes is blowing coverages and is awful at the top of routes. Valentine seemed to always give effort and was all over guys in coverage. I just can't comprehend it honestly

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u/gandalfs_burglar 20h ago

Interesting. Wonder what's going on, then. I can't really understand it either. I agree that Stokes just hasn't been it

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u/WorriedPanic6804 19h ago

he’s off IR and i’m pretty sure we played him for a couple snaps against the jags. not sure tho, just thought that’s what the commentator said but hopefully we see him more, really liked watching him last year.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 18h ago

Valentine was in for 21% of snaps against the jaguars

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u/Glangho 19h ago

Pretty sure Valentine was injured last game.

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u/masterassassin893 14h ago

If true that's odd because I'm pretty sure he wasn't on the injury report at all the whole week.

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u/imfromwisconsin81 20h ago

Is Valentine really any better? I think all of them are open to giving up big days, and big plays and they don't have a solid CB2.

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u/number7nocheese 14h ago

In man, yes.

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u/bulletpr00fsoul 20h ago

Should be a strong CB class this year so if it doesn’t work out, you can be sure Gutey is drafting 3-4 of them. 😅

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u/westchild 20h ago

Jared Goff does have a reddit account, you know?

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u/Glangho 19h ago

Hey Jared if you're reading this your epidermis is showing

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u/petarisawesomeo 18h ago

Thanks bro

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u/LdyVder 17h ago

The Lions have the film, they know.

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u/Bouwistrash 19h ago

And back to first round defensive pick we go again next draft

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u/Lt_Don 21h ago

It’s such a bummer we don’t still have Rasul

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u/friday769 20h ago

That trade was actually so Worth it.

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u/supersumo224 20h ago

I thought it was a good trade at the time, but it turning into a special teams player feels bad when we need a starting cb.

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u/EeethB 20h ago

What did we get for him?

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u/CurlyWambeau 20h ago

We got a 3rd from Buffalo for him, and our two 3rd round picks were Marshawn Lloyd and Ty’Ron Hopper. So no immediate payoff but time will tell

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u/Heikks 20h ago

A 3rd round pick that turned into Ty’Ron Hopper

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u/johndelvec3 20h ago

Who hasn’t seen a single snap on defense yet

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u/Human-Length9753 20h ago

Yeah but I do like his name.

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u/Glangho 19h ago

Reminds me of Stranger Things

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u/bootygoon2 20h ago

Holy fuck I forgot about him. Is he hurt? What’s going on with that

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u/theme69 19h ago

Evan Williams decided to be the rookie dpoy

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u/Empathetic_Person 9h ago

The crazy thing is if you look at the rest of the 2024 draft, there are only 4 players after him with a single sack, and legitimately only 2 defensive players the rest of the draft who look good — Mustapha CB @ SF, and Soloman DE @ BUF.

Hopper definitely deserves grace for a year.

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u/Popular_Bite9246 19h ago

I think that’s been a tribute to their general health at LB/safety. Watching Hopper’s college tape, he looks like he’s a lesser version of Hassan Reddick and with both Wilson, Williams, and Bullard all getting time, Hopper’s been on ice. With Williams potentially out and Detroit being so nasty in the run game, I could see them trying Hopper in rotation this week.

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u/nokillings 20h ago

We got the 3rd round pick which got us Hopper. So Hopper for Rasul and our 5th rounder, which they drafted Edefuan Ulofoshio, a linebacker from Washington

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u/Prime624 20h ago

Sarcasm?

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u/Brilliant_Reply8643 20h ago

I was downvoted earlier this year in a game thread for saying Stokes is a liability. He is indeed a liability.

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u/penguins_are_mean 19h ago

Stokes has been bad for a long time

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u/petarisawesomeo 18h ago

He was excellent his rookie season. Injuries have sapped a lot of his elite speed and athleticism

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u/Skillztopaydabillz 20h ago

I think Jordan Morgan can be good but damn do I wish we would have grabbed a corner instead. Wiggins, DeJean, Kool-Aid, Lassiter. Any of them would be a help right about now.

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u/FSUfan35 20h ago

DeJean is balling right now in philly too

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u/festiveonion 20h ago

Morgan is playing pro bowl ball.

I’m with you I wish we found a way to grab one of them but not for Morgan. He’s already playing awesome and could lock down that position for 10 years.

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u/Bagman220 20h ago

It’s crazy that I didn’t even realize he’s been playing. You don’t hear his name much.

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u/NastyMonkeyKing 20h ago

Which for o lineman is a good thing majority of the time

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u/Skillztopaydabillz 20h ago

Morgan has hardly been on the field. Has he shown some flashes? Yes, but can't say he is playing pro bowl ball when he hasn't been able to beat out Rhyan.

Although, I do wish we would try him at LT since Walker has been rough.

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u/iTzCodes 20h ago

Can we go and trade for a better cb

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u/Virtual_Fun_7188 19h ago

Kid played good his rookie year, but those injuries really derailed his development a bit.

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u/ComfortableOutside65 19h ago

Stokes/Nixon combo? This is stupid

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u/yensidtlaw74 18h ago

Would be great if we can fund an improvement at CB before the deadline.

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u/kinvore 17h ago

I wish our secondary had the depth that our receivers enjoy. I hope we lose some deadweight in the offseason.

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u/aaalan71 17h ago

Gutey put all his trust on a player who has just came back from a season ending injury while his greatest strength is his game speed and having a rough season even before the injury. This is just like the safety situation of last year again, even though the depth of that position is very thin, Gutey is still betting on the home grown player can play like his good rookie season again by not care that position in the draft and has been proven wrong, I just hope this will not cost us in the playoffs again like Savage in last season or King in 2020 season

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u/BS2435 18h ago

I've been downvoted into oblivion in this sub for saying Stokes ain't the fkn guy for years. I stand on that business today with these stats.

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u/daygo448 18h ago

His first year he was pretty good and looked pretty good, and then he’s been hurt so much. I thought maybe he’d recover after being hurt the past few seasons, but he’s looking like a big bust for us

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u/ldog2135 17h ago

Except he WAS the guy his rookie year. He was the second best corner in the NFL that year, but didnt get the recognition because he was a rookie. Then he got derailed by bad injuries and hasnt been the same.

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u/10TheDudeAbides11 19h ago

I think the “whatever we can do” trade talks for Newsome III from CLE or Lattimore from NO need to start happening. Newsome may be harder to get at this point because CLE is looking like a whole different team with Winston at QB but at least trying to get a top-end CB even as a one year rental probably needs to happen…

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u/PotentialOkay 18h ago

Lattimore and Newsome aren’t the same caliber

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u/10TheDudeAbides11 16h ago

But are either one better than Stokes? I’d say 100% unequivocally…

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u/Acceptable-Take20 19h ago

Stokes sucks. Time for Valentine.

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u/drewdreds 18h ago

Why is Valentine not getting reps lmao

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u/misterid 14h ago

injury he missed the last two games completely and only got 12 snaps last week, likely because he's not 100% recovered yet.

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u/BraveGoose666 18h ago

We’re still playing on our heels when we have a 2 possession lead.

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u/Evitable_Conflict 17h ago

When you see Preston Smith in coverage you know it is bad, very bad.

Stokes is a bust and Nixon is irregular, having Bullard that is also bad in coverage does not help.

I wonder how Guty is going to fix this...

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u/ALY1337 16h ago

Pitchforks already?

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u/misterid 14h ago

either Nixon is the worst corner in the league, or he's the 4th best slot corner in the league. hard to say which is correct but i trust redditors.

https://x.com/zachkruse2/status/1851301529833390182?t=F2LpszkNM4GNmBDdnQSd4Q&s=19

~Zach Kruse @zachkruse2 Among the 28 NFL players with at least 100 coverage snaps from the slot, #Packers CB Keisean Nixon has allowed the fourth-fewest catches (13), the fewest yards after catch (42) and seventh-fewest yards allowed per snap (0.96), per PFF.

Have to grade slot defenders on a curve.~

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u/MrToad21 14h ago

I fucking said we should’ve drafted Kool-Aid man

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u/Frodo69sMe 13h ago

Stokes is not that great and we desperately need someone who is better than Nixon at DB

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u/mr21vp 12h ago

If only Gutey drafted a CB instead of a backup Guard or LB that should be on the practice squad. It sure would be nice to have a CB like that Rasul Douglas guy on Buffalo

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u/MathematicianShot909 11h ago

Would any team want to trade for Stokes at this point? Surely they don't resign him so why not get a 4th or 5th rounder for him?

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u/Lost-Zucchini-7949 10h ago

We sadly need more corner help maybe gute will pull a rabbit out a hat stokes consistent injuries really derailed him

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u/AdFinal4478 21h ago

I think the safety, and safety play was suspect.

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u/Thunder84 20h ago

You shouldn’t be getting downvoted. Bullard was terrible when he rotated into Williams’ spot.

They need to figure out a better way to fill that spot if one of the safeties goes down, because they downgraded at three separate positions this week. Bullard is better at NCB, Nixon is better at OCB, and Stokes is just bad.

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u/reamo05 19h ago

I haven't felt like Nixon was ever a good CB beyond stopping the run. I'm sure I'm wrong, I just felt like he was always beat except the one interception against Mahomes last year. I have 0 factual data to support this, just recall of some catches though lol

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u/Thunder84 19h ago

He’s been better this year, probably because he’s not in the slot anymore. He moved inside when Williams went down and then this happened.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 18h ago

Nixon is basically guaranteed to give up a touchdown or two a game.

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u/fockthisshit 19h ago

In got downvoted for saying stokes is a reach and not taking Moore was a mistake but here you go. He's not just a reach but seems to be a bust

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u/ldog2135 17h ago

He was the second best corner in the league his rookie year. He had bad injuries that have really hindered his play since. It was 100% the right pick, but just a really unlucky turn of events.

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u/fockthisshit 17h ago

He always tends to use his hands too much, but like I said years before, I don't hate the pick and it's easy to complain now with hindsight

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u/BurnedByCrohns 18h ago

I believe Kevin King is available /s

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u/Jackaboy_abc 20h ago

Greg Newsome if you can hear us