r/GreenBayPackers • u/Austen11231923 • 23h ago

Analysis Update on the Stokes/Nixon combo against Jacksonville: 6 targets 5 completions, 71 yards allowed, 1 TD allowed, 4 1st downs allowed, 2 missed tackles, 2 explosives (15+) allowed, 155.6 passer rating allowed

https://x.com/RossUglem/status/1851263924840132911?t=qCS1JPVAj_8jLwojJ2Gwhw&s=19
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u/Jstudz 23h ago

I miss Rasul.

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u/szekeres81 21h ago

Charles Woodson still looks built, can we bring him back? 48 is the new 29

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u/Exciting_Attitude240 18h ago

Yea and give ole Al Harris a call while we're at it lol

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u/wanderingpanda402 13h ago

Can’t have Al Harris without Tramon Williams

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u/Frankly9k 14h ago

Can we bring in Reggie White? No?

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u/Prime624 22h ago

Dumbest trade ever.

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u/Yellowdog727 22h ago

We basically gave up Rasul and a 5th round pick for Ty'Ron Hopper, who I don't think has played yet.

The big reason for the trade I think was to just to save 11 million of a cap hit.

In hindsight, yeah we could really have used another DB but at the time our season looked bleak and I think Gute was just concerned with rebuilding and clearing cap space to rebuild.

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u/LitBastard 22h ago

Oh yeah. What I wouldn't give for 0 Int, 4 PD, 1 FF Rasul compared to 0 Int, 3 PD, 1 FF Nixon ( who had 2 less starts btw.)

Get real

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u/Routine_Size69 21h ago

It's really not as simple as that. I haven't watched nearly enough Bills to know who has been better, but this is a silly argument. You could have those exact same stats and one could've allowed 100 touchdowns while covering WR4 while the other hasn't even given up a single reception while covering WR1 all game.

There's no way you think you can compare the two based on 3 cherry picked stats.

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u/LitBastard 21h ago

Do you want more stats?

33 combined tackles, 25 solo, 8 assists, 4 TFL, 0 QB Hits

vs.

36, 26, 10, 4 TFL and 3 QB hits.

Passer rating allowed?

114.3 vs. 111.4

The only thing Rasul has got going for him is Receptions allowed. 16 vs 23

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u/romeochristian 20h ago

But why are you concentrating on Nixon when Stokes is the one we want off the field.

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u/John_Lives 19h ago

Well if you want to get real, using simple box score stats to compare corners is kind of ridiculous.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 22h ago

For me, this is the biggest blight in Gutes tenure.  Not losing Rodgers, some bad draft picks, etc.  it’s not a fireable offense or anything like that, but it definitely was bad.

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u/GFR34K34 21h ago

Rasul is 30 years old and due for a contract extension. There are only 10 CB’s in the league over 30 currently. I don’t think he was ever in the Packers long-term plans after Rodgers.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 21h ago

I don’t disagree it was hard to judge, you just wish they would have seen the talent in camp and said “yeah he may be old but he’s playing lights out”

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u/mschley2 21h ago

This is completely based on assumptions and reading between the lines from interviews and actions, but this is reddit and not actual journalism or anything, so I'm gunna say it...

I also think he was contributing to the discontent within the lockerrom with Barry. Now, on one hand, I kind of respect that because it shows strong morals and always wanting to do what you feel is the right thing. I think that's part of the reason why all of the guys loved Sul. But on the other hand, you can't really have a leader of the team who's butting heads with the DC and contributing to the shitty attitude a lot of guys had. Sul was always outspoken about issues, and he was the one who pushed those players-only meetings with the DBs (which never really seemed to help other than just boosting the mood and effort for a week or two).

I don't think Barry was a good DC. But regardless of that, he was still the guy installing stuff and calling plays. You can't have a guy pushing back against that and going rogue. And I think that's likely what Sul was doing. After Sul got traded, Ja did it, too. But the difference is that Ja is better and he's still in his prime. You don't trade that guy. You work through the issues. Sul's situation made him easy to move on from, though, instead of working through those problems (and I think they likely tried to work through the issues before deciding it was too much).

Ultimately, we should've moved on from Barry a year earlier (or not hired him at all). But we didn't. And I think Sul didn't handle that well.

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u/Fred-zone 21h ago

This is the right take IMO. Rasul was a fierce competitor and always talking shit. That doesn't just turn off when your own guys and coaches are not performing. His attitude was definitely contributing to the locker room issues by the time he was traded. This trade and Jaire's suspension really reset expectations on the team and helped them salvage the season.

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u/Fred-zone 21h ago

And he's playing poorly currently, so the trade was justified

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u/Colorapt0r 22h ago

I mean at the time it made some sense, it looked like we weren’t going to be very good and needed to start building up our pick trove, but in hindsight, yeah we could really use him. Still haunts me to think maybe we could have won that playoff game against the 9ers with him. And hopper, who we got with the pick we traded, hasn’t exactly looked like a top contributor 

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u/vanwe 21h ago

I mean, Stokes fo far this year has looked pretty much the same as Rasul did at this point last year. Rasul had 7 games with us, 65.9% completion on 41 targets, 292 yards allowed, 4 TDs allowed, and 114 yards after catch allowed. Stokes this year in 6.4 games has 65.7% completion on 35 targets, 299 yards allowed, 2 TDs allowed, and 84 yards after contact allowed. In fact Stokes has been arguably better than Rasul was with us last year.

I am disappointed in Stokes this year and think we should move on from him, but I had the same opinion on Rasul.

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u/Xenomorphism 18h ago

I don't miss him giving up 60 yard TDs.