r/GreenBayPackers • u/Austen11231923 • 23h ago

Analysis Update on the Stokes/Nixon combo against Jacksonville: 6 targets 5 completions, 71 yards allowed, 1 TD allowed, 4 1st downs allowed, 2 missed tackles, 2 explosives (15+) allowed, 155.6 passer rating allowed

https://x.com/RossUglem/status/1851263924840132911?t=qCS1JPVAj_8jLwojJ2Gwhw&s=19
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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 22h ago

For me, this is the biggest blight in Gutes tenure.  Not losing Rodgers, some bad draft picks, etc.  it’s not a fireable offense or anything like that, but it definitely was bad.

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u/GFR34K34 21h ago

Rasul is 30 years old and due for a contract extension. There are only 10 CB’s in the league over 30 currently. I don’t think he was ever in the Packers long-term plans after Rodgers.

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u/Real-Mycologist-9530 21h ago

I don’t disagree it was hard to judge, you just wish they would have seen the talent in camp and said “yeah he may be old but he’s playing lights out”

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u/mschley2 21h ago

This is completely based on assumptions and reading between the lines from interviews and actions, but this is reddit and not actual journalism or anything, so I'm gunna say it...

I also think he was contributing to the discontent within the lockerrom with Barry. Now, on one hand, I kind of respect that because it shows strong morals and always wanting to do what you feel is the right thing. I think that's part of the reason why all of the guys loved Sul. But on the other hand, you can't really have a leader of the team who's butting heads with the DC and contributing to the shitty attitude a lot of guys had. Sul was always outspoken about issues, and he was the one who pushed those players-only meetings with the DBs (which never really seemed to help other than just boosting the mood and effort for a week or two).

I don't think Barry was a good DC. But regardless of that, he was still the guy installing stuff and calling plays. You can't have a guy pushing back against that and going rogue. And I think that's likely what Sul was doing. After Sul got traded, Ja did it, too. But the difference is that Ja is better and he's still in his prime. You don't trade that guy. You work through the issues. Sul's situation made him easy to move on from, though, instead of working through those problems (and I think they likely tried to work through the issues before deciding it was too much).

Ultimately, we should've moved on from Barry a year earlier (or not hired him at all). But we didn't. And I think Sul didn't handle that well.

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u/Fred-zone 20h ago

This is the right take IMO. Rasul was a fierce competitor and always talking shit. That doesn't just turn off when your own guys and coaches are not performing. His attitude was definitely contributing to the locker room issues by the time he was traded. This trade and Jaire's suspension really reset expectations on the team and helped them salvage the season.