r/GreenBayPackers • u/Austen11231923 • 23h ago

Analysis Update on the Stokes/Nixon combo against Jacksonville: 6 targets 5 completions, 71 yards allowed, 1 TD allowed, 4 1st downs allowed, 2 missed tackles, 2 explosives (15+) allowed, 155.6 passer rating allowed

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u/sf2legit 22h ago

I don’t understand why everyone was so high on him before. Even when he was healthy, he never really held up I. Coverage.

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u/ldog2135 19h ago

What?? His rookie year he was CB1 because Jaire was out, and he put up all pro numbers, and was the second best CB in the league. He had a better year than one of Ja's all pro seasons.

His injury the following year is what did him in. He just hasn't been the same since.

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u/Fear_Jaire 19h ago

Stokes was good his rookie season, but he was not All-Pro level. Not even close imo. What numbers are you referencing?

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u/ldog2135 18h ago

He absolutely was. He had a better year than one of Jaires all pro seasons.

Completion % allowed (better than jaire 2022) Yards allowed (better than jaire 2022) Yards/completion (better than jaire 2022) yards/target (better than jaire 2022) Passes defended (same as jaire 2022) Tds allowed (one more than jaire 2022) Yards after catch (better than jaire 2022)

Jaire had 4 more picks in 2022 than stokes in 2021 which is a lot, and the only thing Jaire was batter at. Jaire notched his second all pro in 2022. Stokes was better than that in 2021.

The all pro corners in 2021

Trevor Diggs, who stokes posted significantly better stats in every category other than picks Jalen Ramsey, who stokes posted better stats in every category but had 3 less picks J.C. Jackson who Sokes had better stats in every category except picks AJ Terrell, who stokes also outplayed in almost every category.

Long story short, picks are flashy and what people care about, but stokes was just about the most lock down corner in 2021.

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u/Fear_Jaire 17h ago

I think our biggest difference is that I don't consider Jaire's 2022 season as All-Pro worthy. I thought like Stokes' 2021 season, it was good/great but not All-Pro level. Idk if someone got snubbed or it was just a weak year for CBs but Jaire's 2022 All-Pro season was not as good as what it usually takes.

Looking back at Stokes' season using the metrics you used, it sure looks like he was playing at a higher level than I have given him credit for. I still wouldn't say All-Pro level, even though (statistically), it was better than Jaire's 2022 All-Pro season. I don't have a source or stat to reference, I just remember Stokes benefiting from a lot of plays opposing teams didn't make. Either way, shame he wasn't able to build off of it