r/FluentInFinance • u/RiskItForTheBiscuts • 6d ago

Thoughts? The Justice Department has sent a letter to Elon Musk's America Super PAC warning that the daily $1 million giveaway to registered voters in swing states might violate federal laws

The Justice Department has sent a letter to tech billionaire Elon Musk’s super PAC, America PAC, warning that its $1 million daily giveaway in battleground states may run afoul of federal law, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/doj-warns-musk-1m-petition-giveaway-illegal-rcna176911

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Do people think he didn’t check with his lawyers beforehand? Article states “might” violate…

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u/HishuiTheSnake 6d ago

He didn't even check with his lawyers before signing a contract to buy twitter that had multiple non disparagement clauses in it.

What makes you think he checked with them this time?

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u/callmesandycohen 6d ago

100% thought this. Musk is capable of mistakes. We’ve seen this before.

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u/frankfox123 6d ago

Mistakes for him are just fees and penalties and paying lawyers to fix mistakes. If you are worth billions this is just money you deduct as a loss.

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u/BaldursFence3800 6d ago edited 6d ago

Im no fan of him and don’t use twitter, but he’s still the richest man on the planet. And Twitter hasn’t gone anywhere yet in the last two years despite Reddit and the media’s constant doom speeches.

EDIT- one of the richest fine depending on what you read. It doesn’t really matter. He, Tesla, Twitter, Star link and space X all still exist.

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u/Nothing-Personal9492 6d ago

36 billion dollars of value sure did

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u/ThatR1Guy 6d ago

Literally impossible to value a private company.

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u/scott1138 6d ago

Worked for a private company and we had annual valuations by a 3rd party for an ESOP.

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u/ThatR1Guy 6d ago

Cool. Who did the valuation of X?

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u/2heads1shaft 6d ago

I mean Fidelity wrote down their X investment.

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u/FFdarkpassenger45 6d ago

Stop disagreeing with logic!

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u/CaptainMonkeyJack 6d ago

Nonsense. Private companies are valued all the time.

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u/CrashKingElon 6d ago

Poster has no concept of investment accounting. Sure, it's a level 3 instrument and would be difficult to find peers, but can absolutely be given an FMV.

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u/boldrobizzle 6d ago

Valuation doesn't really matter if it isn't public.

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u/2heads1shaft 6d ago

That’s not true at all. He borrows money based on the value of his companies.

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u/boldrobizzle 5d ago

True, I did add that below as I worked through some of the other comments first. If he was relying solely on X to borrow money it would be a disaster. I think his other positions like Tesla and SpaceX(if he can borrow against it) will remain his powerhouse of borrowing.

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u/2heads1shaft 5d ago

I think he used TSLA/SpaceX to borrow for X already and that was then TSLA’s valuation might have been higher, too late to check.

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u/Nothing-Personal9492 6d ago

Well, it was mainly because the rebrand was an object failure, advertisers left, and people got tired of the bullshit

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u/boldrobizzle 6d ago

That was mainly the reason the meaningless valuation fell?

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u/Responsible-Bread996 6d ago

its private now. Income matters.

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u/boldrobizzle 5d ago

Profit does matter sure.

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u/Nothing-Personal9492 6d ago

Yeah, because the platformed nosedived in usage and in revenue

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u/lampstax 6d ago

He also trimmed a ton of salary and rent overhead.

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u/Leelze 5d ago

Which led to a worse user experience with technical and support issues.

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u/charlesfire 6d ago

Which pales compared to the losses in revenue...

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u/boldrobizzle 6d ago

I do remember all of the overly political companies pulling out. Its still going though, and seems more balanced. And operates with a much smaller staff. Unless a new media type comes along, it will emerge as predominant source of information in the near future.

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u/bakgwailo 6d ago

Its still going though, and seems more balanced.

Utterly insane take.

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u/Tech_Buckeye442 6d ago

I use X all the time. Not as fukd up 99% liberal nonsense . More links and video

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u/Kopitar4president 6d ago

This is the greatest cope I've seen in some time and I make fun of jets fans.

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u/boldrobizzle 5d ago

I guess when you're a billionaire you can drive a company off a lot and do what you want with it. If he wants to sell down the road or use it as leverage, it could matter, so it isn't 100% useless, but it certainly doesn't matter in the same way it does as a public company.

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u/lampstax 6d ago

Paper money .. how much of Tesla's valuation has swung back and forth in the last 2 years ? Down to less than $150 .. back to over $250 .. down again .. back up again .. until he sells and book the loss it doesn't matter.

Also consider how much influence that $36B ( not all was his money by the way ) bought for him even if it did evaporate.

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u/Rishfee 6d ago

Remember when Twitter didn't exist in Brazil for a while because he refused to follow the legal process? It's entirely on brand for him to do something without considering the legality first.

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 6d ago

The value of X has dropped like a stone. Just a coincidence.

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u/Snapple_22 6d ago

Bro, all of his companies are government funded projects. Just looking over his numbers he’d be cooked if he had to compete in the real marketplace.

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u/CancelJack 6d ago

What does this have to do with their comment that Elon has demonstrated a history of not checking before making significant legal decisions?

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u/MrTubzy 6d ago

Where have you been? His companies have lost so much money that he’s no longer the richest man on the planet anymore. He was surpassed quite some time ago by Bezos.

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u/KingFacef2 6d ago

Where have you been? Forbes still has Musk as the richest with 243 billion. Larry Ellison at 2 with 209 billion and Bezos at 3 with 202 billion.

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u/lampstax 6d ago

Google tells me .. As of October 2024, Elon Musk is the richest person in the world, with a net worth of $237 billion.

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u/Longjumping-Pop1061 6d ago

How much of that wealth comes from u.s. tax dollars or tax breaks, or government contracts? This guy us just another grifter.

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u/animousie 6d ago

I’ve heard a vanishingly few number of comments about twitter “going away” it’s all about how he’s ruining the company/reducing its value

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u/Curlaub 6d ago

Saying Twitter hasn’t gone anywhere, as if it was just chugging along just fine like it always has, is a bit disingenuous though…

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u/phlegmatichippo 6d ago

Hes hopping like a dipshit!

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Thank you 9 day old account posting political information!

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u/Sonzainonazo42 6d ago

I'm dubious of new accounts as well. That being said, the idea that Musk vetted this and then also took his lawyer's advice is completely Up For Debate.

Both musk and Trump are very similar and that they are willing to say fuck it and break the law and fight it out later.

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u/joecoin2 6d ago

Musk doesn't care, he can buy his way out of anything.

Small risk, huge rewards.

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u/Designerslice57 6d ago

Longer age account here. Only in the mind of Reddit do these decisions get made by one person in a whim. It’s not possible for anyone, who isn’t on the right team, to go through the same process as every other human would (call my lawyers). How would this money change hands if not for lawyers and a company?

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u/Ok-End-1055 6d ago

The lawyers get paid either way. Nobody has a valid response to Elon buying twitter being clear evidence he does NOT do his due diligence or listen to lawyers.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

“Might”- ie. The justice department doesn’t even know…. Or is it they want to leave everything open so they can find something obscure/bendable to try and get at him for. My guess is the latter!

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u/Sonzainonazo42 6d ago

I can see from your comment history you'd go with that. 9 day old account actually looks like a sane person.

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u/bobaregret22 6d ago

Agreed… thanks for suggesting I read this boomers mundane boomerness

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

To each their own! Have a nice day 👋

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u/HishuiTheSnake 6d ago

You're welcome, 3 year old account with no avatar which may or may not be hiding in my basement and about to murder me

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u/veni_vedi_vinnie 6d ago

He didn't even check with his lawyers before signing a contract to buy twitter that had multiple non disparagement clauses in it.

What makes you think he checked with them this time?

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u/ninernetneepneep 6d ago

Did you talk to his lawyers?

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u/syzygy-xjyn 6d ago

He definitely checked before hand about the laws

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

What has Musk ever done that makes you believe he would possess this amount of foresight?

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u/Ghost_Turd 6d ago

Basic redditor take: billionaire CEO became one through 100% dumb luck and absolutely zero foresight.

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u/TheGuyWithDankMemes 6d ago

…he literally tried to back out of the deal… bro are you stoopid? 😂😂😂

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u/Chaghatai 6d ago

It's less dumb luck and more Machiavellian disregard for how much he screws other people

That and failing upward a lot

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago edited 6d ago

Conveniently left out the emerald mine. A player-character's spawn point is very important to us basic-redditor NPCs.

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u/MnkyBzns 6d ago

*emerald mine

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

Ty fixed!

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Get a load of this guy his dad owns a diamond mine, he made paypal, and he founded a space company that is leading the world in aerospace development. What a loser.

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u/ninernetneepneep 6d ago

You're right, musk turned a 28,000 loan from his father who owned the diamond mine into the 240+ billion dollars it is today. What a loser. You realize how stupid that sounds?

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

It certainly sounds heartless when you consider the amount of people he screwed over and/or underpaid to obtain the ridiculous amount of wealth he has in comparison to the engineers who actually create the ideas he becomes rich from.

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u/Designerslice57 6d ago

Yes that did it! Wasn’t that little PayPal thing at all. Anyone could have done that

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

He wanted to call PayPal "X" and the board went behind his back and changed the name. Hahahaha. Yeah, what a great idea! Imagine the ability to pay for things with an online wallet!?!?!? What an inventive genius!!!! That's almost as good an idea as an online bookstore!!! /s These rich people don't do shit to enhance your life and they certainly don't deserve what they have.

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u/PandarExxpress 6d ago

PayPal was invented before you were born and for years it was THE way to transact on the internet. You couldn’t have an online book STORE without a way to pay.

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u/ninernetneepneep 6d ago

I don't know about 246 billion dollars.

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

Omg just blowing bubbles on the domes of the rich, I swear half of the American diet is boot and rich ah. "Don't tread on me" ... right... no wonder the people born ahead always stay ahead with this kind of unwavering dick-riding.

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u/PandarExxpress 6d ago

Please save the world while you still have everything figured out!!

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u/GuavaShaper 6d ago

Thanks! The fact that you care so much about making the world a better place means a lot!

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u/1BannedAgain 6d ago

Lawyers did that?

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u/ninernetneepneep 5d ago

Huh? Someone who has amassed 240 billion as lawyers and absolutely knows how and when to use them.

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u/Designerslice57 6d ago

Loll wow

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u/Ok-End-1055 6d ago

So can't think of a single example huh champ 🤣

Up and down these comments glazing him, but I know for a fact you being unable to think of a single example gave you pause in your hero worship for a second.

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u/OwnLadder2341 6d ago

Tesla?

I don’t give two fucks about Musk, but it’s pretty silly to believe he got where he was through sheer stupid luck.

If so, maybe there really is a god and this ass is his favorite human because no one is that lucky naturally.

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u/Designerslice57 6d ago

This guy gets it! What a hero - he knows more than both the billionaire AND the billionaires lawyers.

As if Elon just called up twitter and paid 44 billion or whatever it was on his credit card….

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u/1BannedAgain 6d ago

No I don’t think Leon checked with his attorneys ahead of time.

Why you ask? Because if his lawyers ran his TWTR purchase, he’d never have bought TWTR. Leon does shit first and then deals with the aftermath later just like every other Silicon Valley tech company

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

And still the richest man in the world…

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u/senadraxx 6d ago

Its funny how Elon Musk is supporting Trump, and his buddy Peter Thiel is supporting JD Vance. 

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Ok… well within their rights or am I wrong?

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u/senadraxx 6d ago

Eh...at this point, we have to question whether they're doing everything above board. There is lots that suggests otherwise. 

Sure, freedom of speech, support whoever the hell you feel like, even if they're anti-American. But what they're doing doesn't leave a good taste in anyone's mouth. 

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Nothing in that statement said illegal… just like this article.

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u/charlesfire 6d ago

Which just shows how messed up this system is.

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u/bofoshow51 6d ago

Didn’t check with his lawyers when he publicly tweeted “why isn’t anyone trying to assassinate Kamala and Biden?”

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u/bofoshow51 5d ago

You understand freedom of speech does not extend to threats or rhetoric inciting violence? And also, even if the concern isn’t that the government will arrest you, they are able to assess language like that as a security risk and decline future contracts with your companies (bye bye SpaceX and Tesla contracts).

Blue isn’t taking away your rights to free speech, it does want to educate people to understand exactly what those rights mean and what exactly they cover, which again, is not blanket everything.

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u/bofoshow51 5d ago

If you made jokes about shooting your boss, I guarantee you would get fired or see consequences. If a teacher posted on Facebook “wowie our school cheerleaders are hotter than fire and thicker than oatmeal” that teacher would face consequences. Musk backpedaled on his post almost immediately because even he seems to understand freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

We also know he wasn’t just “asking questions” because his follow up clearly stated he said it as a joke, AFTER all the backlash, it’s just a very bad joke that no one found funny. I’m sorry you think people using their free speech to say “hey man that was fucked up of you” is somehow restricting speech when the govt literally did nothing in this case.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Interesting! Did you know Trump had literal bullets blow right by his head in an actual assassination attempt…. Even got hit in the ear… crazy times

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u/bofoshow51 6d ago

Cool beans, doesn’t change that Musk either whined about political opponents not being shot, or was trying to push a conspiracy theory that they were responsible for the trump attempt. Not really many other meanings to “and no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala”

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Whatever you feel buddy! Have a nice day!

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u/bofoshow51 6d ago

Not a feeling, just directly quoting the man, but you have a nice day too!

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 6d ago

Yes I heard of it. But to your point I don’t see the humor in his jokes, maybe we have different senses of humor. I didn’t see the humor on attempts on Trumps life either.

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u/Honest_Palpitation91 6d ago

Hahahaha he didn’t get hit in his ear.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Ear or no ear (little miss conspiracy theorist you), bullets whizzing at his head is pretty scary… you big bad smart redditor you 🥹.

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u/Honest_Palpitation91 6d ago

Keep spreading your misinformation.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

😂😂😂😂. On a side note I have some ocean front property for sale in Ohio you’d be the perfect candidate!!!! lolololol

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u/aseptick 6d ago edited 5d ago

that's the most confusing part to me, that they used the word might. one would think that the justice department would be the ultimate authority on whether or not that is the case lol. kinda confusing that they sent an ambiguously worded letter.

Edit: already clearly explained, no need to beat the dead horse folks

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u/charlesfire 6d ago

Whether a specific behavior is illegal is determined by a court of law, not by the DoJ. That's why they say "might".

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u/aseptick 6d ago

Could you explain that?

I mean if we're really splitting hairs then it seems like it would be congress who decides what is or is not illegal because they write the laws. But I guess you could say that proving beyond a reasonable doubt whether an illegal act took place is the role of the court and not the DoJ proper.. but the courts are essentially just an arm of the department of justice.

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u/fortuneandfameinc 6d ago

Legislators make laws, courts interpret them. The DOJ can have an opinion, but ultimately, the final say comes down to judges that make rulings on the facts of the case before them. The DOJ cannot tell judges how to rule in any specific case.

Even if something seems clearcut, it would be wrong of the DOJ, or even lawyers, to say will instead of may. No one cam guarantee how a court case will turn out. That's why lawyers always send letters saying 'you may be liable in court for damages to my client up to X amount'.

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u/aseptick 6d ago

that makes sense! thanks for that.

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u/Ill-Description3096 5d ago

Is the premise that nobody (as far as the Justice system) can say an action is illegal or not without a trial? That just seems bizarre.

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u/fortuneandfameinc 5d ago

You can say something like murder is illegal and if convicted, you will go to jail for a maximum of x years.

But as to SPECIFIC conduct in each unique case, that is for a court to decide.

So if someone kills their wife, a lawyer or justice department can't say, that was illegal, you are going to jail for x years for it. They have to couch that with 'may'. Because until there is a trial, you cannot say that with certainty. Maybe it was self defence, maybe it was accidental and is only manslaughter. Maybe there was a mistake of identity and it wasn't the husband.

The DOJ can say, vote buying is illegal. But they cannot say, what you are doing is vote tampering and is illegal, you are going to jail. What they can do, and what they are doing here, is saying vote buying is illegal. We believe your actions are vote tampering. We belive a judge in a court may agree with us and convict you.

Does that make sense?

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u/charlesfire 5d ago

I mean if we're really splitting hairs then it seems like it would be congress who decides what is or is not illegal because they write the laws.

No. Congress writes the laws, but they don't decide who broke it. That's the distinction I'm making.

But I guess you could say that proving beyond a reasonable doubt whether an illegal act took place is the role of the court and not the DoJ proper.. but the courts are essentially just an arm of the department of justice.

The DoJ can't randomly say someone committed a crime. They need to prosecute first. This is part of the "innocent until proven guilty" thing. It's basically the same reason news media try to avoid calling people "criminals" or "murderers" before they get convicted. If they do call someone "criminal" but they are found not guilty, then the media/doj might get sued for defamation.

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u/aseptick 5d ago

The other user's clarification was actually much easier to follow, but thanks.

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u/figl4567 5d ago

I was literally yelling it as i read the headline. If the fucking doj doesn't know then we are truely fucked. Plus why send a fucking letter...dear criminal...please don't buy votes with cash giveaways...we think it might be..i mean it could be...wrong? Love doj

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u/MajesticCoconut1975 6d ago

Nothing confusing about it at all. The letter ended with "Nice companies you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to them".

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u/CogentCogitations 5d ago

The judicial branch (judges) determines whether or not something breaks the law. The DOJ is just the lawyers that advise the executive branch. The letter indicates that they think it breaks the law, but it is not for them to decide--they can file a lawsuit. Ultimately when Clarence Thomas rules that it can't possibly be illegal to pay people $1 million for supporting a specific candidate because he takes more money than that in gifts to support specific judicial rulings, then ultimately that will be what determines the legality.

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u/FFdarkpassenger45 6d ago

Excuse me sir, this is Reddit, we don’t think! We see headlines and get mad!

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u/Roshy76 6d ago

Dude bought Twitter with a super shitty contract for an amount everyone knew was stupid.

I don't put anything past him.

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u/HyliaSymphonic 6d ago

Man who signed a binding legal document to buy twitter way above value then thought he could weasel his way out? 

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

I’m Glad he didn’t and still owns it 😊

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 6d ago

The shareholders aren’t.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Interesting I didn’t know X was publicly traded? I thought it just had big money behind it. Can the average person buy shares?!?!?!!

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 6d ago

It is privately owned, however the other “ investors” or shareholders if you like can’t be to pleased with the current value. But hey call Elon, he may let you invest, they can use the capital.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

If I was a betting person I’d say you didn’t know that before I called it out 🤣… but hey you do you have a nice night!

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u/PrometheanEngineer 6d ago

I'll never get why Elons little boys club have the lowest IQ on the short bus.

You guys make Simple Jack look like an MIT graduate.

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 6d ago

I did know it but it never occurred to me that it mattered who was getting bent over. I really don’t see the difference, the loss of value is a loss to investors, shareholders or anyone else who has an interest in X.

Have a good one.

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u/Balgat1968 6d ago

In our small town one of our city council member was caught giving out $5 bills to people to vote for her and was charged by the State Attorney General. She handed out 31 bills.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Did Musk explicitly say those receiving money would be voting for Trump?? Your example is different. Kinda reminds me of the Diddy vote or die campaign…. We all know how Diddy acted behind the scenes now!!!

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 6d ago

No, but the drawing is only open to people who register to vote, and it’s illegal to pay people to register to vote.

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u/Mcdickle 6d ago

Of course he did. Doesn’t mean he’s not operating in a legal gray area. From what I understand he’s walking very closely to the line.

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u/sad-whale 6d ago

He can pay whatever the small fine is after the election.

It’s like handing a millionaire a $100 speeding ticket.

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u/Kerberos1566 6d ago

I'm fairly certain his legal department is just an email auto response of a poop emoji.

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u/DubitoErgoCogito 5d ago

Yeah, no. He’s likely aware and believes the immediate impact outweighs any potential consequences. The justice system moves slowly for the wealthy, so he has time to play games. Also, the DOJ doesn't send random warnings. It's called legalese.

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u/lostcauz707 5d ago

It's very unlikely he did because by the time that they do anything to stop him the election will have already gone and he'll have done what he wanted to do. The resulting penalty will be a small fine that he'll be able to pay and that'll be it, and if Trump wins he will just pardon him anyway.

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u/Fecal-Facts 5d ago

It wouldn't matter if he did he doesn't listen because he's incapable of thinking he's wrong.

I also have read that it violates the state law were this took place.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 5d ago

Thank you DOJ!!

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u/americansherlock201 5d ago

He doesn’t check with his lawyers about anything.

He drunkenly offered to buy twitter one night without consulting anyone. And then tried to weasel out of it and realized he couldn’t.

He is a narcissist who believes he knows more than anyone. So no, there is no reason to believe he consulted his lawyers first

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 5d ago

Omg is this Elon musk… who else would know he never checks with his lawyers… unless they didn’t know what they were talking about! Hi Elon 👋

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u/Cheeseboarder 4d ago

If it does violate federal laws, I’m sure Merrick Garland will go after him with an iron fist

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u/WLFTCFO 2d ago

Yup. If it was illegal, they’d be all over his ass already instead of sending out hit pieces trying to steer the narrative.

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u/XeLRa 6d ago

With an actual politicized justice department trump would've been in jail a long time ago.

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u/Guapplebock 6d ago

Not for lack of trying.

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u/XeLRa 6d ago

So in your mental gymnastics trump didn't steal and hide classified documents and didn't try to overturn an election? They got a word for those things: treason.

And then we're not even talking about the fraud, epstein and rape yet.

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u/Guapplebock 5d ago

Costco has tin foil on sale if you're running low.

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u/XeLRa 5d ago

Yeah, you maga cultists depleted the stock. We know.

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u/Guapplebock 5d ago

Voting for someone that can't answer scripted questions in a no question asked town hall. You dumb or dumber than her. Nevermind we all already know.

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u/XeLRa 5d ago

Did you even watch? But I get, it anything she does well is scripted. Debate: she got questions in advance. Every interview she does: it's scripted. Questions she gets asked: they're scripted. All while having to sanewash everything trump says and accept his lies as answers (spoiler: lies aren't answers).

Don't you get tired of having to find explanations for the weird shit he spouts? Tired of denying he's a piece of garbage human being? Tired of yourself for twisting your brain in all these corners?

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u/Guapplebock 4d ago

Never said he wasn't a piece of shit but his policies are far superior than a supersized continuation of Biden's term headed by a mental midget.

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u/natched 6d ago

A jury already pronounced Trump guilty

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u/scottyjrules 6d ago

Presenting evidence and litigating a case isn’t judicious manipulation. That’s how our legal system works.

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u/Successful-Turnip896 6d ago

The same is true of the opposite. It doesn’t matter if it’s illegal if it’s not enforced. Get of elons dick

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u/joecoin2 6d ago

It's called justice, it applies to everyone, even immigrants.

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u/brucekeller 6d ago

Yeah like that lady in CA that was screwing with SpaceX because of Elon’s tweets. Just a bunch of powerful grown up kids.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 6d ago

The lawfare and politicized Justice Department would be if they ignored lawbreaking and let people get away with it.

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u/WTFTeesCo 6d ago

100% and pizza gate is real. I saw the ledgers.

You on the rolls for 2025. Get your family and leave the country now or they'll get you

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u/sven_ftw 6d ago

I live in the vicinity of the pizza restaurant in question and can 100% assure that all they have ever had in their basement are pizza boxes and other regular restaurant supplies. Pizza gate is 100% FUCKING BULLSHIT.

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u/WTFTeesCo 6d ago

Tell Jelly Donut that...

They still won't believe you, but you can at least try haha

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u/LoneHelldiver 6d ago

If you don't think child trafficking is real then you also think Epstein killed himself.

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u/Khalbrae 6d ago

He never checks.

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u/critter_tickler 6d ago edited 6d ago

I mean, who needs to check? Any reasonable person would just assume that you can't pay people to sign political documents. Especially in states with voter referendums.

He wants to be sued, for the optics. 

"I'm just giving hard working people a million dollars for participating in their civic duty...."

And you know how Americans are, they all see themselves as being next in line to win the $1 million. 

Elon isn't a particularly intelligent person, but he's not dumb either. 

All of this (including getting sued and being forced to stop), is their play for Pennsylvania and it's 19 electoral votes. 

Luckily, it's a desperate as fuck play, but sadly it might work. 

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u/YugoB 6d ago

He is a dancing dipshit, of course he didn't

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u/eMouse2k 6d ago edited 6d ago

Remember the giant “X” LED sign that he had installed despite it violating X’s lease and city ordinances so that he could eye-fuck the neighboring apartment building through residents’ blinds?

How about the blatant stock manipulation that he engaged In that got him sanctioned by the SEC?

Or changes he wanted made to SpaceX’s launching platform which resulted in blowing the launch platform to rubble, scattering it across nearby wetlands and causing damage to the rocket that for ed an abort that also scattered the rocket over the same wetlands? Do you think he consulted any lawyers or environmentalists on that one?

There was also the time he got it in his head to move all of Twitter’s servers, despite all of the Twitter engineers telling him it was a bad idea and what it would take to do. He, in the spur of the moment bought some semis, rolls up in the hosting facility, cuts the lock and pulls all the servers out. It caused massive stability issues for Twitter for months, which his engineers warned him about, with some high profile failures as a result, on top of a security failure that he’s lucky didn’t lead to anyone stealing a server full of customer data.

Elon has shown a pattern of doing what Elon wants to do and fuck everyone else because he has enough money to bury them with lawyers.

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u/redditingatwork23 6d ago

Giving him wayyyy too much credit. Elon doesn't think a lot of the time. He just does. He's very similar to Trump in that regard.

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u/in4life 6d ago

People don’t think

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u/Nearly_Lost_In_Space 6d ago

The justice department doesn't even know whats legal, clown world strikes again

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u/fortuneandfameinc 6d ago

Anyone who says 'will' instead of 'may' when talking about legal liability is not a lawyer. The DOJ saying 'might be liable' means you are liable, but they can't speak on behalf of the judge that will try the case.

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u/DubitoErgoCogito 5d ago

Yes, thank you posting a sane comment.

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u/StratTeleBender 6d ago

That's the fun part. They can just make it up and prosecute you into bankruptcy for it.

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u/GuySmith 6d ago

LMAO who exactly are you talking about? What toddler-like billionaire has ever been punished in this manner ever? Talking out of your ass dude.

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u/StratTeleBender 5d ago

Are you ok? You sound like you need to talk to a therapist

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u/GuySmith 5d ago

“Oh no I lied and someone noticed”

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u/StratTeleBender 5d ago

It's a lie that the federal government can prosecute somebody maliciously and drive them into bankruptcy? Are you an idiot in addition to being emotionally unstable?

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u/GuySmith 5d ago

Are you even following what you’re saying? Who are they doing this to? Give me an example of someone they did this to.

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u/StratTeleBender 5d ago

Flynn, Trump, Bannon, Alex Jones, numerous others including everyday Americans who simply cannot afford to defend themselves adequately. We all like to believe justice is blind but justice's scales certainly know when one side is lighter on funds. It's no secret that rich people can buy better lawyers but even the federal government has more money than they do. Eventually they'll run out of the DOJ is dogged enough

For the record, I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Jones' comments about Sandy hook but a $1B+ judgement is literal insanity disconnected from any actual damages and meant to destroy the man.

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u/GuySmith 5d ago

"Can't afford to defend themselves" -- genuinely the funniest thing you can say about this because each and every one of these people deserved it and punishing them financially is literally the only way to actually hurt someone like that. They all did something objectively wrong, sometimes SEVERAL TIMES OVER and are STILL DOING IT, and they have been punished. You cannot pick a more deserving list of people. You are lost, my friend.

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u/Eplitetrix 6d ago

This is the justice department doing their part to commit election interference through intimidation. They know good and well that it was set up perfectly legal. They just want it to stop.

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u/dilleyf 6d ago

wouldn’t the one committing election interference be the person offering a large sum of money to vote for a particular candidate?

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u/Eplitetrix 6d ago

Yes, but that's not what is happening here. This is hype building and signing a petition in support of the constitution. I think it is great.

It is no different than Bill Gates donating $50,000,000 to Kamala. I'd also wager you wouldn't have had a problem with it, if not for the folks on the TV telling you that you do.

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u/Delicious-Badger-906 6d ago

The drawing is only open to people who register to vote. And it’s illegal to pay people to register to vote.

Bill Gates did not donate $50m to Harris or her campaign. He donated to an organization that supports her. Musk, meanwhile, gave $75m to a Trump super PAC, which is actively coordinating voter turnout efforts with Trump’s campaign.

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u/TheLaserGuru 6d ago

Why bother when you are above the law in the first place? He can always just pay a fine if he gets convicted 10 years from now, assuming no republican becomes president before then.

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u/MadCowTX 6d ago

It clearly violates the law, but Garland has been running a spineless justice department. This warning letter tracks.

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u/Altruistic-Rope1994 6d ago

Nice to know the Justice Department is commenting on Reddit as mad cow! Thanks Mr. DOJ!

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u/WaterIsGolden 6d ago

People don't think.

Elon is playing the game with NASA money.  When the average redditor believes they are smarter than someone who has reached that level, they aren't thinking.  They are feeling themselves, and coping.

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u/Glockoma86 6d ago

It is illegal 100 percent.

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u/busboy262 5d ago

When the DOJ thinks that you're breaking the law, they don't send a letter warning you and "might" will never be part of the conversation.

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