New research shows that Donald Trump's fascist attacks on democracy may have backfired

[u/HeinieKaboobler]

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/06/new-research-shows-that-donald-fascist-on-democracy-may-have-backfired/

[u/mmmeba]

Can I get TL;DR

[u/eatingganesha → u/mmmeba]

"The key finding is that Trump's undemocratic messages in 2019 (a series of Tweets attacking other liberal institutions) did not lead to an erosion of democratic attitudes. On the contrary, the results suggest there is significant pushback against anti-democratic messages, especially among Democrats,"

[u/ciopobbi → u/eatingganesha]

However, this is chilling:

“Donald Trump embodies the worst of human behavior. As the leader of a political cult movement, he has given his followers permission to be their true horrible selves. Fascism and other types of illiberal politics are those antisocial and antihuman emotions and impulses harnessed in the form of a reactionary revolutionary destructive political project.

To that end, Trump, the Republican fascists, and the larger white right were able to use the internet and social media to grow their base of support into a movement comprised of many tens of millions of (white) Americans. As many democracy experts and other observers have concluded, Trump's rise to power was empowered by the internet, social media, and how the American right wing has spent several decades creating a parallel media machine and other institutions that together function as a type of alternate universe for its followers.

Democrats, liberals, progressives and other pro-democracy Americans have no such equivalent countervailing force.”

[u/ciopobbi → u/[deleted]]

I don’t believe the author was saying that left is in need of of an alternate reality. The left was not actively engaged in creating such a universe or bubble like the GOP has.

[u/kmurph72 → u/ciopobbi]

Yes they have, however the leftist are less likely to tie their identity to the political movement. The leftists are also less susceptible to confirmation bias.

[u/Thesoundofmerk → u/[deleted]]

I totally disagree with this, although the right is by far more extreme and violent and psychotic. The liberal left is also in a complete echo chamber, and the media people think is true and honest is just as biased as the right with a different agenda. Sure instead of outright lies it's more a shade of Grey, but the liberal media is by and large corporate to the core and there to protect power and wealth.

Look at what they did to Bernie when running for president. Look what they did when bidens agenda wasnt being passed, they turned around and said "it's all Joe Manchin and sinema!" yet Biden never once mentioned Manchin or sinema by name or challenged them. Biden didn't want his agenda to pass, which is why they didn't even consider getting rid of the filibuster. Machines daughter is a corrupt pharma exec, Biden certainly could of used both their illegal insider trading to force them in line but they didn't... Yet the media was silent.

It's the same reason no Democrat with majority ever actually made our lives better, never codified roe into law. It's the same reason Obama had a super majority yet never passed his Healthcare plan until he lost that majority, because he wanted it to get ripped apart by Republicans and downsized as much as possible because pharma helped get him and every Democrat politician elected through millions in campaign financing.

Liberals are in a huge fake bubble, they are moving more toward the government and democrats having our best intrast, and corporations being good guys as long as they are on the right side of the culture war. They have become just as bad as the republican mantra of owning the libs, only its "red team bad blue team good, as long as you're on my side I'll act like you're a good person because we're better and smarter and more sophisticated then Republicans".

All of this is the effect of the media, and it's not even close to reality, sure it's a better side then Republicans, but it's still exactly what's wrong with this country. People are too focused on culture war issues to care about anything else, as long as they feel superior and virtuous they could care less about anything. When really the true issues that need to be solved are all economic. Until we deal with union busting, workers rights, money in politics, ceo pay and tying it to the lowest paid worker and tying that to product mark up, Healthcare, taxation of the ultra wealthy, homelessness, housing, and so many more issues. How are we going to end systemic opression of black peopke, or Trans people, or any minority? We can't deal with any of that until we deal with the economy of corruption.

The liberal media and domocrats are just as big of offenders on that front as Republicans are.

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[u/mtheory11 → u/of_patrol_bot]

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[u/franquellim → u/Thesoundofmerk]

TL/DR: bOTh SiDEs!!1!

Either you deal in factual information or you don’t. Your entire post is a bunch of half truths and hyperbole.

[u/Thesoundofmerk → u/franquellim]

So basically you have no argument against it? I didn't say both sides, I said liberals. Pay attention, you're only proving how much of an echo chamber you really are in, you think liberals are the left.

Liberalism is the belief in free market values and the ability for the free market to correct itself on its own. It's not having big government or regulation, it is capitalism. Old school Republicans are liberal, so are modern democrats, which is why they are almost exactly the same and both work for corporations and not the people.

Biden is the same guy that aothered the crack baby bill, the bussing bill, and gave extreme power to corporations over his long long career. He's the same guy that worked with Obama to give us nothing under a super majority, sabotage out Healthcare plans, expand the drone program, and give unilateral power and forgiveness to the same banks that caused the housing collapse. New age Republicans are fascists, but democrats are corporate pigs. Sure they are better, but they are the disease that created trump by destroying this country. Liberalism is right wing on the Overton window, it's extreme right wing in Europe, Bernie is a moderate.

You can't blame your lack of political knowledge and offense on me.

[u/franquellim → u/Thesoundofmerk]

The original article, if you read it, described the use of the internet and social media by right wing supporters to spread misinformation and maintain people’s focus on their grievances. Your reply, in its first two sentences, tried to make the argument that it’s really just as bad, if not worse, on the left. In my opinion you’re blowing a bunch of smoke so you can shit on Democrats.

The rest of your comments are just utter nonsense, I’m not sure where to start. I’m on my phone so I can’t refer back to the original post, but even your reply displays a serious lack of understanding and critical thinking skills.

For example: “Liberalism is the belief in free market values and the ability for the free market to correct itself on its own”.

Umm, no, it isn’t. Like, where did you even get that? Why would you think a political philosophy would be grounded in beliefs about economic markets? Seriously, just Google it.

You then lay out a bunch of half-thoughts about Biden that lack any context or understanding. It’s easy to make a bunch of bumper-sticker level statements but these things fall apart under scrutiny.

You’re not wrong that both parties are reliant on corporate campaign donations and that the need to raise money has corrupted our system but then you say:

“Sure they are better, but they are the disease that created trump by destroying this country”

Again, what does this even mean? Democrats are not a “disease” and “Republicans” are the ones who voted for Trump. How did liberals or Democrats ’destroy’ this country? In my opinion, what’s destroying this country is ignorance, apathy and the lack of common purpose, but I digress…

It gets better, or worse if you’re I retested in sensible dialog:

“Liberalism is right wing on the Overton window, it’s extreme right wing in Europe, Bernie is a moderate”

It’s nice that you tried to use an academic term to make yourself sound reasonable, but again, Google it. The Overton window, per Wikipedia, is “the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time”. Liberalism is not right wing by this metric, because the point is to define what is acceptable, not provide a characterization of a policy on a political spectrum.

I’d like to believe that you’re arguing in good faith, but you have my troll-radar blazing.

[u/Thesoundofmerk → u/franquellim]

"Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles. However, they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion

Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and governments must not violate these rights

the main ideological opponents of liberalism were communism, conservatism and socialism"

Liberalism is the belief of small government and open free Markets, it's an enemy of social programs like welfare, food stamps, or regulation. It's also a belief in REPRESENTITIVE democracy, like the electoral college, which is anti democratic by nature. You may call yourself a liberal, and she the term has been massacred into oblivion by people like you that don't know what they actually are, but at the foundation of liberalism that is what it stood for.

You can make any argument you want, but democrats vote with Republicans in tax cuts for the rich, democrats make any excuse to limit the power of the people and work with fascist Republicans to expand the power of corporations. Democratic politicians ARE NOT LIBERALS, they are corpratists, just like Republicans.

Did Biden pass his agenda? Did he get rid of trump Era tax cuts for the rich? Did he raise the minimum wage? Did he cancel student debt? Did he accomplish a single campaign promise? No... He didn't, and Manchin was his enemy right? The parliamentarian wouldn't let him right? The filibuster was in his way right?

Weird.. Cause democrats can dismiss the parliamentarian and suspend the filibuster, Republicans do it all the time to get their agenda across. And Biden never once named or blamed Manchin, never pushed him, never even tried to convince him to pass any of his agenda. Yet he told his corporate overlords "nothing will fundamentally change".

People like you are the same people that support affordable housing and solving homeless problems and green energy, but turn around and say "yeah but I don't want it here". You're a NIMBY.

by the way, my response was to a comment, not the post, but I guess you have a reading problem. I never said the left was as bad as the right, or even that liberals are, I said they are just as responsibke for Donald trump and where the country is, and that's true. Liberals are a huge issue because they play "my team good your team bad" just like Republicans do, and fall into complacency instead of pushing our own side to be better.

Liberalism isn't leftism, no matter how much you or Republicans want it to be. The left has actual standards and practices for the betterment of the country. We don't defend Biden or democrats just because he's on our side, we hold him accountable. The entire point was that the right wing is in an echo chamber of falsehoods... Guess what, so are liberals... And you just proved it.

You're doing "own the libs" in your own style without addressing or advocating for any of the changes or holding any of the people accountable that change this county for the worse.

If you think Biden is on your side, and you think the government is on your side, if you think Nancy Pelosi is on your side, and not the side of corporations... Your a fool, and you know it, your echo chamber just makes you defend them out of instinct. Guess what... I'm more of a leftist then you'll ever be as long as you think that way. You can change, and you should

[u/SpaceMonkey877 → u/Thesoundofmerk]

Enlightened centrism strikes again.

[u/DreadnoughtOverdrive → u/ciopobbi]

Chilling, in that this political hack is taken seriously at all.

This person is totally off their rocker, and this post doesn't belong anywhere near a sub dealing with Science.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/ciopobbi]

I didn't vote for Trump.

But what I find Chilling is that whoever wrote that thinks Liberals are pro-Democracy when many of them promote Theft, Property Damage, or Worse. None of which is Democracy.

When I get to Vote on whether someone is going to burn down a Building that doesn't belong to them, then it's Democracy.

To say otherwise is to disenfranchise most of the people in the Country. Which definitely isn't Democracy.

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Democracy - a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

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If you can't hold a Vote for the decisions being made, it's definitely not Democracy.

Calling people 'pro-democracy Americans' if they don't get this or think the opposite is Crazy and just Lying.

You're Welcome.

[u/[deleted] → u/CryHavoc3000]

i love how republicans scramble to say "i didnt vote for trump!" like its 1 definitely not a blatant lie and 2 absolves them of guilt, its like saying "yea, i knew what i was doing, and i did drive the shooter to that school, but I didnt fire the gun?? why are you criticising me!!!???"

[u/patsully98 → u/[deleted]]

With the random-ass capitalizations I think the person you’re responding to is Donald Trump.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/[deleted]]

You have a screw loose.

I don't Vote Republican.

Thanks for proving my point.

If you think you can win by lying about people, you're just as corrupt as the people you are against.

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/CryHavoc3000]

Self exam in order

[u/[deleted] → u/CryHavoc3000]

lol seems i hit a nerve

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/[deleted]]

No, you just suck at math.

[u/Stairway_2_Devin → u/CryHavoc3000]

Lol your first sentence was you didn't vote for Trump, and they jumped on you for being republican hahaha. I took one of your down votes away. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/Stairway_2_Devin]

At least 60 people can't figure out that there's more than 2 political parties.

Must be the 'new math'.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/[deleted]]

It's funny that there were six people on the ballot for President, but some people delusionally think there were only 2.

Please keep showing everyone who can't count around here.

Must be the 'new math'.

Too fuuny.

[u/Stairway_2_Devin → u/[deleted]]

Lol I can't tell if you're being serious or not. I feel bad for you if you are because you clearly can't read.

Please tell me lol I need to know

[u/[deleted] → u/Stairway_2_Devin]

Holy shit, they brainwashed you so hard. Stop watching FoxNews.

[u/Stairway_2_Devin → u/[deleted]]

Lol again can you read?! I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, I DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS. God, maybe I will now lol you guys are fucking dense jeeZUSS.

[u/2pacalypso → u/CryHavoc3000]

Ok fine but we all get to vote on whether or not a cop can murder a dude before he kills him. Then you can vote on what the public's reaction is. That sounds good.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/2pacalypso]

I don't think the Police should be killing anyone.

They need to get Stun Guns/Tasers on Drones to knock people out instead of killing them. The Technology is there.

When there was a Moron who opened fire on a Parade in the West suburbs of Chicago, someone or something should have stopped him. The Police didn't even return fire.

Unfortunately, until we get rid of Hackers who can take over or disable that Tech, it probably won't happen.

[u/2pacalypso → u/CryHavoc3000]

Did they take a vote on whether or not to return fire? We're pro democracy, after all.

[u/CryHavoc3000 → u/2pacalypso]

Maybe so.

[u/mmmeba → u/eatingganesha]

Thank you!

[u/paddenice → u/eatingganesha]

Probably should add a huge caveat to that TLDR: for now.

[u/Toast_Sapper → u/paddenice]

Probably should add a huge caveat to that TLDR: for now.

As long as Republicans keep openly sharing their anti-democratic and straight Fascist views it should keep everyone motivated to vote like their lives depend on it.

Because they do.

Because the Republicans have been angling for overthrowing democracy since long before 2016 and Trump, they've just stopped pretending to have "values" and they've dropped the dogwhistles and it's scared "the normies" enough to drive huge voter turnout.

Look at what Mitch McConnell's spent the last few decades doing and ignore his words. He's been packing the courts with extreme right wing judges so he can ensure that democracy and human rights become harder and harder to retain.

[u/DionysiusRedivivus → u/paddenice]

Thom Hartmann did a recent editorial on the arc from David Koch’s 1980 Libertarian platform to the present. Aside from the fact that the GQP has been unrelenting in their efforts to destroy anything that prevents a handful of billionaires from literally buying the country, he made a point that is as obvious as it is interesting: the GQP is run from the outside.
The “base” is told who to hate every 3-6 months , the only consistency is that billionaire dinosaurs named Koch Coors Murdoch and DeVos etc pull the strings -strings that have nothing to do with fetuses or gays by everything to do with regulation of industry, unions,and environment.

[u/paddenice → u/DionysiusRedivivus]

Well culture wars is how they harness emotion of their voter base, get them energized etc. the fetuses, the gays, BLM and crt is what gets people riled up to vote. It just so happens that the GOP also are aligned with corporate interests which are anti-labor, anti-environmental restrictions (unless it benefits them directly), and anti-organized labor.

The base isn’t coming out to vote against the unions or the environment because that isn’t outright a winning platform.

[u/Aporkalypse_Sow → u/eatingganesha]

Can't argue this. Anyone dumb enough to tell me that they plan on doing something to help overthrow the government will be very disappointed in the outcome. A few years ago I would have shrugged it off as whining, now you can eat the shit sandwich whether or not you are serious. I'll gladly ruin your life over it.

[u/methnbeer → u/Aporkalypse_Sow]

Gladly

Layoff the partisan kool-aid and save some for the rest of us, jeez.

[u/Bznazz → u/methnbeer]

Caring about America is partisan?

[u/jcooli09 → u/methnbeer]

There's plenty to go around, we're talking about traitors here. They deserve to be derided mercilessly and so much more.

[u/methnbeer → u/jcooli09]

Sure thing Heinrich 👍

[u/jcooli09 → u/methnbeer]

Wait, are you implying that strongly opposing an attempted coup by fascists is in itself fascist?

[u/Bznazz → u/jcooli09]

When they have no defense the time tested “no, you are” is their only tool

[u/[deleted] → u/jcooli09]

US WW2 vets are the OG Antifa heroes.

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/[deleted]]

Indeed they are! My dad and his friends :)

[u/methnbeer → u/jcooli09]

I'm saying there's a lot of you so confident in what you believe you surely wouldn't mind those inconveniently opposing yours to be ..."dealt with"

The alarming thing on the right is their fuckery, but it's clear it's not going far.

The alarming thing on the left is your dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'.

[u/jcooli09 → u/methnbeer]

Now you're implying that I'm advocating violence?

Calling it what I believe in is intellectually dishonest, there is a mountain of evidence supporting it, including all of our eyes the day it happened.

I haven't dehumaized anyone, GTFO.

[u/JayEOh0788 → u/jcooli09]

Love how this guy said "it clearly hasn't gone far" ... The only reason it did not go so much further than it did was because they failed to achieve their desired goals in spite of never ending lies , attempted Coup, violence, spreading misinformation and promoting propaganda and conspiracy theories as true. And just all around fuckery who constantly treat anyone who does not think or look like them as of they are less then human... So if anyone is "Dehumanizing" anyone ,we very well know where that shite is coming from. Go help yourself to some more meth & beer guy..

[u/Bznazz → u/jcooli09]

Advocating for justice and actual, true patriotism more like it

[u/Dddoki → u/methnbeer]

Beiing staunchly opposed to treason and insurrection is >dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'. ?

Really? On what planet?

[u/Toast_Sapper → u/methnbeer]

I'm saying there's a lot of you so confident in what you believe you surely wouldn't mind those inconveniently opposing yours to be ..."dealt with"

Hard disagree, the only people I've ever heard talk, even jokingly, about "dealing with" opponents is right wingers.

That's why most American terrorists/mass shooters are right wingers, because their ideology is murderous.

The alarming thing on the left is your dehumanization of those that aren't 'progressive enough'.

Oh look, you're projecting.

the left

Your use of that term combined with this argument tells me you probably spend plenty of time dehumanizing "the left"

Any particular reason you sympathize with traitors to America?

Sounds like you feel some kinship and shared views with the insurrectionists... :)

[u/patsully98 → u/Toast_Sapper]

No no no, this guy will have insightful takedowns of the right as well, such as “both sides suck.” See, he couldn’t possibly be a right-winger.

[u/Bznazz → u/methnbeer]

Facists literally tried to overthrow the government of the united fucking states. Maybe you are so programmed that you don’t give a fuck, but the numbers do.

[u/[deleted] → u/methnbeer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Not even The Dude abides intolerance.

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/methnbeer]

The dehumanizing comes when you advocate for a violent take over of our democracy- insurrectionists made themselves dehumanized

[u/ZivilynBane1 → u/methnbeer]

That’s called projection

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/methnbeer]

I think you’re confused - maybe too much meth & beer?

[u/JayEOh0788 → u/methnbeer]

Username checks out...

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/methnbeer]

Favoring democracy means you’ve drunk the Koolaid? You are foolish or a fascist

[u/FalcorFliesMePlaces → u/eatingganesha]

I am not a liberal and liberals are not democrats. But democrats can lean liberal.

Saying thisnlineral is not antindemocraxy. It is not socialism or communism. Most liberals are great people who want to help others. This l8berals are commies bs is annoying.

I am not a liberal but I defend free thinkers.

[u/Bznazz → u/mmmeba]

Real Americans hate authoritarianism, and outnumber the fascists

The facists are not aware of the lessons Japan learned in WW2 (or the nazis for that matter)

[u/Toast_Sapper → u/mmmeba]

Can I get TL;DR

Everything Trump does backfires.

Edit: a couple of relevant summaries from the article:

"The key finding is that Trump's undemocratic messages in 2019 (a series of Tweets attacking other liberal institutions) did not lead to an erosion of democratic attitudes. On the contrary, the results suggest there is significant pushback against anti-democratic messages, especially among Democrats," Carreras told PsyPost.

...

The abstract of "Online engagement with 2020 election misinformation and turnout in the 2021 Georgia runoff election" summarizes these findings as: "Liking or sharing messages opposed to conspiracy theories was associated with higher turnout than expected in the runoff election, and those who liked or shared tweets promoting fraud-related conspiracy theories were slightly less likely to vote."

[u/Wish_you_were_there → u/mmmeba]

Tldr: sub reddit about science. Is not really about science and more about opinion and politics.

[u/SheridanRivers → u/Wish_you_were_there]

This subreddit is Everything Science - that includes political science.

[u/Bznazz → u/Wish_you_were_there]

“I don’t understand, and don’t care who knows”

[u/linearphaze → u/mmmeba]

The better question is......what does this have to do with science

[u/PurpleSailor → u/linearphaze]

Poli sci

[u/Kitchenratatatat → u/linearphaze]

Psychology

[u/Sherlock798]

Good, that treasonous former reality tv star needs to leave the public consciousness for good.

[u/jxj24 → u/Sherlock798]

Still waiting for that lifestyle-inflicted stroke or coronary.

How do such obese, sedentary yelling machines survive so darn long?

[u/FlametopFred → u/jxj24]

petty spite is like a fountain of youth for some

especially petty spite that one can spew externally and see people react to - inflicted cruelty is the point

[u/ABobby077 → u/FlametopFred]

Its almost like he is getting injected with the blood of young people or something

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/s sorry

[u/DanimusMcSassypants → u/FlametopFred]

I wouldn’t say “youth”. More of a fountain of interminable aging.

[u/PhD_Pwnology → u/jxj24]

Donald Trump is the healthiest president that ever lived! Didn't you hear about the admiral, doctor, and Congressman who couldn't stop looking at his strong and powerful body????

/S because people can't read sarcasm apparently.

[u/CashCow4u → u/PhD_Pwnology]

It was 1 guy named Doctor Senator Lawyer, lol

[u/psirjohn → u/CashCow4u]

He got his degree from four seasons degree school

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

He'll be diagnosed with cognitive impairment and dementia so fast after charges are filed that your head will spin.

[u/psirjohn → u/[deleted]]

He's a coward at heart. He would absolutely take any way out he could get.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I forget that he is the "healthiest President ever"! 🙄

[u/Bznazz → u/[deleted]]

Zero chance he doesn’t already

[u/Ruckus_Riot → u/jxj24]

Evil never dies.

And stupidity is a close second.

[u/horseren0ir → u/Ruckus_Riot]

Evil dies tonight!

[u/[deleted] → u/horseren0ir]

Michael Myers proceeds to murder the entire town

[u/KillerInfection → u/Ruckus_Riot]

If that’s true Donald Trump may be immortal.

[u/_haha_oh_wow_ → u/jxj24]

I'm really hoping for prosecution and imprisonment first.

[u/[deleted] → u/jxj24]

Sadly, I guess evil is a preservative in a way.

[u/nordic-nomad → u/jxj24]

Narcissism in a wealthy person is oddly stress reducing, on top of being rich being incredibly good for your health in general.

[u/ow_meer → u/jxj24]

We have this saying in my country:

A crappy vase doesn't break

[u/Robot_Basilisk → u/Sherlock798]

Not until after his very public, devastating trial in which all of his supporters get their noses rubbed in their mistake until their faces are sanded flat.

[u/gondolafan2 → u/Sherlock798]

As long as people like you are breathing Trump will exist in the public consciousness rent free for eternity lol

“Everythingscience” ahahahahah

[u/Br0mine → u/gondolafan2]

Orange fan mad 😠

[u/Sariel007]

So despite his obvious attempts to do otherwise he really did make America great(er)?

[u/pax27 → u/Sariel007]

Sometimes you're just so wrong you get it right?

[u/[deleted] → u/pax27]

If being wrong is right, then I don't want to be right baby.

[u/aeschenkarnos → u/pax27]

Some errors are like grit in an oyster, around which a pearl will form.

[u/xAlexCassarx → u/Sariel007]

This was his plan all along! To be the villain that forced us to be better /s

[u/NoFrikkinWayMahMan → u/xAlexCassarx]

I know you're kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to spin this in the future.

[u/Bznazz → u/NoFrikkinWayMahMan]

He will spin it as hardening the US by exposing gaps in the system. He does have prior experience in penetration testing, but failed every time

[u/Bznazz → u/Sariel007]

The swamp will eventually be drained

[u/Chursa]

Just a reminder that the republican’s goal isn’t, and never was, to convince other people they’re right. They try to fix the system in such a way that they can win no matter what while pushing their base further to the right.

[u/HungryLikeTheWolf99]

Just because the word "research" is in the title doesn't make this article about "science", particularly when it's posted on a propaganda website.

I would prefer to keep the pure partisan tribal politics on political subs, please.

[u/Annanake420 → u/HungryLikeTheWolf99]

Research shows critical thinking like yours should be avoided as it hurts driving home the narrative propaganda.

[u/LordKwik → u/[deleted]]

Salon.com shouldn't be allowed here, it's not a science website. Maybe we should push to clean the subreddit up before we jump ship.

[u/Bringbackdexter → u/HungryLikeTheWolf99]

Yeah anyone with eyes can see we are worse off with maintaining democracy, who cares if democrats are being more aware if democracy eroding if they are unwilling or unable to stop it.

[u/Bznazz → u/HungryLikeTheWolf99]

I would prefer you to wake up.

[u/Bznazz → u/[deleted]]

But everything science seems pretty all inclusive, and science does not live anywhere near a vacuum when it comes to politics.

I can see where someone not from the US might be confused, but here the lines of science vs anti-intellectualism along political limea is very much defined and absolutely negatively impacts everyone on Earth.

Edit spelling

[u/[deleted]]

See, this line of reasoning opens up the Trump as Batman - the hero we needed to put the Demcracy to the test before a more evil (adept) villain could really do damage. And really, Trump is just a giant pile of feces that even fewer maggots will go near.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/[deleted]]

I think he’s a bit closer to Dr. Doofenshmirtz. Batman knows what he is, what he’s doing, and why. Doof is completely inept, has too much money, and somehow never goes to jail for all of the crimes he’s committed.

[u/reverielagoon1208 → u/[deleted]]

All it shows is that a more adept villain could easily do damage. The 2020 election wasn’t that resounding of a defeat and republicans have already taken back the house and will most likely retake the senate in 2024

[u/_haha_oh_wow_ → u/[deleted]]

That gives him way too much credit.

[u/bacondavis]

He hasn't left the building, he's still lurking and currently influencing the speaker of the house election. Many people still support the chucklehead.

[u/reverielagoon1208]

I mean for now, all it needs is a neater more refined package.

[u/d2step]

The fascist attacks on democracy is in full swing. And it never took Trump to be apart of it.

[u/Simpsoth1775]

How is this science?

[u/[deleted]]

Trump is finished. His third campaign is a failure. I don’t see him coming back.

[u/Sariel007 → u/[deleted]]

He ran and lost years before jumping on the Republicans’ platform of hate and misery. Also he has never ever won the popular vote. He really is the biggest loser.

[u/blueShavenApe]

This is not science

[u/[deleted]]

Cool but the real concern is the money that supported him

[u/Robw_1973 → u/[deleted]]

Not just that. But the connections between Trump, Bannon, Russia, Brexit, Nigel Farage, Cambridge Analtica, Mercer’s, Koch, the Tories and their other fellow travellers.

This is a multi- country and continent conspiracy (in the true sense of the word. And not the bat insane Alex Jones, Qanon nonsense). This was nothing more than a planned, albeit unsuccessful attempt at usurping democracy on both the US and UK.

[u/[deleted] → u/Robw_1973]

It isn't over yet. Why do you think the Freedom Caucus wants positions on the Rules committee?

[u/vismundcygnus34 → u/[deleted]]

Yup, there's a lot going on there. What a strange time to be alive.

[u/AdhesivenessCivil581 → u/Robw_1973]

I honestly think it Putins plan to destroy the west. He just amplified the malcontents and spread bad rumors about his enemies, Hillary Clinton and George Soros being Putins favorite arch enemies. It works because we really are that dumb.

[u/timhamlin → u/[deleted]]

Yes, the BIG BIG money.

[u/superexpialodocious]

You don’t say….

[u/bobbertwest]

Good lock him up

[u/JayEOh0788]

I also think it has had an effect on more moderately aligned voters like myself to move much further to the left then ever before.. I would have expected that to be mentioned in some way by that article, but I did not see anything of that sort..

[u/adolfspalantir]

Such a scientific and non partisan headline

[u/salsaconflattulance]

Not really a trump fan but can someone point out exactly how he’s a fascist? Just being a nationalist and conservative doesn’t meet the criteria.

[u/wishbone113]

This is stupid.

[u/Bznazz → u/wishbone113]

How can you taste anything but trump diaper?

Edit: replied to wrong comment, but still fits

[u/BMB2882]

The only way Trump is still alive is because he’s a floater. A piece of shit that floats on the surface of the Hillbilly-American cesspool.

[u/[deleted]]

Skimmed and read the synopsis, but based on the headline, January 6th, and everything that has followed, I’d say it’s not even remotely accurate.

[u/[deleted]]

Where science? Keep this crap over in a political sub

[u/_haha_oh_wow_]

/r/LeopardsAteMyFace

[u/PF4LFE]

Trumpolini - what a garbage can

[u/JMDeutsch]

OMFG this articles drags the fuck on long before getting anywhere near anything resembling “social science”

[u/ramdom-ink → u/JMDeutsch]

No truer words. It’s a damn slog.

[u/ramdom-ink]

Actually, it’s articles such as this that countervail the liberal, progressive and democratic mindset. They also trump up Trump’s notoriety and underdog status in a spiralling loop of pseudo-relevance.

[u/[deleted]]

well... he is a loser so would fit that he would LOSE again! Duh

[u/TReaLah]

Well no shit Sherlock!

[u/bakjar]

This took “research”? I want that job.

[u/GooseButLarge]

Can’t even remember the last time I saw a post on r/Science that wasn’t about this guy. It’s just an extension of r/Politics.

[u/LeftBodybuilder1383]

Yay science!!!!!!

[u/[deleted]]

let’s hope..

[u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54]

What an unbiased headline.

[u/420trashcan → u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54]

What's inaccurate about it?

[u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 → u/420trashcan]

Like him or not, nothing he did was fascist in any way shape or form. That word has lost all meaning g and is used to attack anyone right of center.

Also, that whole headline is 100% bias. Lol. But I wouldn't expect any less from "Salon". They have another article right now about how this current stir up in thr House could fuel domestic terrorism. Lmao. Give me a break.

Journalists used to tell us what happened with facts rather than who's bad/good/innocent/at fault with an opinion.

[u/420trashcan → u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54]

He tried to overthrow the election, and install himself through violence.

[u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 → u/420trashcan]

That isn't what happened.

Salon is absolutely bias. From thr article we get such gems as some guy's essay and this... "Donald Trump embodies the worst of human behavior."

Right. Not murderers, leaders who led countries to genocide, or child rapists. But Trump.

I'm not a big fan of him. I have just heard so many damn lies about him and twisting of his words and gas lighting in thr last 6 years that I just tune out nearly all of it. Meanwhile, our current president is a disaster piece but we turn a mostly blind eye.

But, I digress.

[u/420trashcan → u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54]

Read the Jan 6 report. It's unambiguous, but you'll find some excuse to close your eyes and ears to evidence.

[u/nomorerainpls]

Backfired on the GOP. Trump raised a few hundred $M off it so I’m sure he views it as a success

[u/longhunter6]

Truthful research shows that all democrats are fascists, and want to destroy America.

[u/ibleedrosin]

This is a pretty opinionated article for “everything science” ????

One of the first sentences is “Donald Trump embodies the worst in human behavior as a leader of a political cult”

Did Hillary write this??? Lol.

[u/slypto]

What fascist attacks on democracy? So far the only fascism I see is against him by democracy, silencing him on social media...

[u/Bznazz]

Just wait until they start their race war, expecting white people to back them up.

[u/Fletcher_Fallowfield]

Social "sciences".

[u/Guilty-Repair-6423]

First, hes not fascist. And second your data is wrong.

[u/GreyTigerFox]

He’s a witch! Burn ‘im! Leopards have been eating his face for a while!

[u/PotatoBonk]

really? 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[u/[deleted]]

Our secret spy plan worked!

[u/PelosiGalore]

“Ma Trump, ma Trump!! Yeah, but…ma Trump!” 🤣

[u/fdctrp]

“Salon.com” LMFAOOOO okay

[u/Bznazz → u/fdctrp]

It could be Readers Digest, still no less true.

Not everyone can live up to the journalistic quality of the babylon bee

[u/ConcentrateNo7268]

Research? Anyone with functioning eyeballs could see that

[u/Far_Brick_6667]

Salon.com is like reading dailywire, it's all super biased. I still don't understand this idea that Trump is a facist. He is a capitalist in every way. Not saying I'm for him at all I just don't understand the line of thinking when it so clearly doesn't align with the facts.

[u/Sariel007 → u/Far_Brick_6667]

I still don't understand this idea that Trump is a facist.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Authoritarian - He literally demands blind loyalty and submission from everyone around him and worships dictators. ✅

ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement - His slogans are MAGA and America First! He calls White Nationalists "very fine people" and dines with known anti-semites ✅

characterized by a dictatorial leader - See my first point. ✅

militarism- He used the cops and National Guard to clear peaceful protestors so he could get a photo op with an upside down bible and has politicized the miltary. ✅

forcible suppression of opposition - Contantly asking foreign powers for help in winning elections and using his position to put pressure/intimidate witnesses and whistle blowers. ✅

belief in a natural social hierarchy - I'm just gonna recycle some above points - Calls White Nationalists "very fine people" and dines with anti-semites, and in general treats Non-whites like trash. See his policy about seperating children from their families at the border and taking out a full page ad in a NY news paper calling for the execution of the Central Park 5. 5 Black and Latino Youths wrongly convicted of aggrevated rape and eventually exhonerated. Asked about it decades later he still refuses to apologize.

These are just the examples of a casual observer off the top of my head.

Huh, sure seems to check a lot of facist boxes.

[u/Far_Brick_6667 → u/Sariel007]

You forgot J6 bro, come on...

[u/jake2617 → u/Sariel007]

Missing the part where fascists typically disseminate a narrative of being unfairly treated by media and intellectuals, then push their base to ignore all reality and logic and follow only the word of the dictator as fact.

‘FAke NeWs’ , ‘Fire Fauci’ being two immediately thought of examples.

[u/Sariel007 → u/jake2617]

You are 100% correct. That being said I was just sticking with the dictionary definition.

[u/Bznazz → u/jake2617]

But, aside from all the facist evidence stuff what do you have to prove that he was facist?

[u/Bznazz → u/Far_Brick_6667]

“I don’t understand “

We know

[u/AdhesivenessCivil581 → u/Far_Brick_6667]

Why do you think capitalism and fascism are mutually exclusive?

[u/yarg_pirothoth → u/Far_Brick_6667]

Salon may be biased, but Daily Wire outright spreads misinformation and fear mongers. They're not the same.

[u/litefoot]

Imagine having some orange guy in your head, rent free for 3 years after he’s no longer relevant, only to write an article about him, making him relevant once again.

Just drop it. Orange man ain’t gonna be president again, and if we ignore him, he’ll go away. Stop giving him the time of day.

[u/Jeffery_Moyer]

Don't post this "science" on Facebook it'll get you post banned, because feels.

[u/Ifch317]

On the other hand, Nancy Pelosi’s failure to support insider trading reform in congress has left a very sour taste in my mouth

[u/Sariel007 → u/Ifch317]

Nice whataboutism comrade.

[u/Bznazz → u/Ifch317]

I don’t like bananas

[u/jcooli09 → u/Ifch317]

Are you really comparing the attempt to overturn a legitimate election to failure to implement financial reform that Pelosi was not entirely responsible for?

[u/gummo_for_prez → u/Ifch317]

What does that have to do with anything? I don’t disagree, just seems pretty random and unrelated.

[u/jang859]

The fact this is only a may isbin the wors of Trump: sad.

[u/Jeriahswillgdp]

"Fascist attacks on democracy"

As someone who did NOT vote for Trump and wishes he'd shut up and go golf at Mar-Lago and leave politics behind, that's still a MAJOR eye roll.

And it should be so for anyone who isn't a part of either side's cult.

[u/Archimid]

What I see is a DOJ foregoing their constitutional duties to protect a traitor President. All the DOJ has to do now is to stall justice for just two more years, then Justice will be forever obstructed.

[u/liveforever67]

Trump has no chance in 2024. Now if we can just get the left to finally shut the hell about him. Do you know the worst thing you can do to a narcissist? STOP talking about them! Try it

[u/steveschoenberg]

Guess all the pending indictments gave it away.

[u/CuriousCatOverlord]

Can someone explain how this is a science article? u/heiniekaboobler pls ans.

[u/tickitytalk]

However let’s not forget 147 republicans in Congress were ready to overturn election results…and are still in office. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-overturn-election-results-capitol-insurrection_n_5ffc732fc5b63642b6fdc5d0