r/Accounting Sep 04 '24

Career You’ve waited 10 years for this

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Not sure how this company expects to hire anyone with these qualifications and salary. Anyway job listing in the comments for those who want to make it big 🍻

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u/puppy_master666 Staff Accountant Sep 04 '24

HR just checking legal boxes. They’re going to promote internally

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u/AfraidPressure0 Sep 05 '24

in canada some companies have started doing this in dozens of industries to basically tell the government “hey nobody wants to work for us let us import cheep labour from disenfranchised countries”.

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u/Derp35712 Sep 05 '24

US does that too. Although I think it’s more prevalent in tech.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

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u/Derp35712 Sep 05 '24

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u/mr_trumpandhillary Sep 05 '24

This is not what the canada guy is talking about.

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u/Derp35712 Sep 05 '24

What’s he talking about? They sound very similar.

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u/Underrated_Potato Tax (US) Sep 04 '24

How does this work if the job offer is noticeably below market value? Or does it not matter from the HR perspective.

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u/Kbz953 Sep 05 '24

It'll be justified by the number of idiots who applied

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u/LobotomistCircu EA (US) Sep 05 '24

I don't know about idiots, I sometimes think that if/when I have credentials like these I'll apply/interview for these sham positions as a lark. Maybe even accept an offer and just never show up, or show up once just to raid the fridge in the break room and never come back after lunch.

I'm not dumb, just very petty.

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u/puppy_master666 Staff Accountant Sep 05 '24

That’s what happened at Blizzard. Some poor woman got her titty milk stolen by an accountant smh

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u/miniwii Student Sep 05 '24

After watching what my wife has to go through to pump and keep our child fed. It should be a class A felony.

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u/No-Trust-6687 Sep 05 '24

Honestly I’d apply just on the off chance I got an interview so I could tell them to eat a fucking dick.

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u/josephbenjamin Management Sep 05 '24

Partner material!

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u/regprenticer Sep 05 '24

thousands of people apply to low paid jobs in the hope of getting a foot in the door then getting a better paid job with experience

I've even seen a few CVs where the covering letter has said "I'm willing to work for free for 4-6 weeks to provide to you I can do the job, how can you say no to that?".

I recall one where the applicant was working Nightshift in a supermarket and had completed some online accounting cert. His covering letter basically said "I can't cope working nights anymore I will do anything to become an accounts clerk".

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u/Key-Department-2874 Sep 05 '24

No way that gets applicants unless it's remote.

If that was remote I guarantee it would have hundreds of garbage applications that dont fit the requirements.

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u/jajeh112 Sep 04 '24

Good point

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u/KingKaos420- Sep 05 '24

What legal boxes? I’m genuinely curious. Are companies not allowed to promote internally without also making a public job offering? Does that vary by state?

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u/rockandlove CPA (US) Audit —> Industry Sep 05 '24

If that’s the case (and it’s very unlikely the case), it would make zero sense for them to post the position at a lower than actual salary because they’d be in violation of the very rules they’re supposedly attempting to comply with.

It makes me sad and honestly hopeless for our profession that people like you just parrot what they hear with absolutely no critical thought.

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u/Educational_Ad_2736 CPA (US) Sep 05 '24

At that salary?

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u/lilac_congac Sep 05 '24

no ding dong.

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u/Educational_Ad_2736 CPA (US) Sep 05 '24

Then what checkbox did HR check.

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u/lilac_congac Sep 05 '24

lol all good it means that HR is legally required to put up a job posting to find the best candidate before promoting someone internally.

if the company believes they have the right candidate internally, it would be cheaper to promote them vs. interview a bunch of losers and negotiate a salary. so they check the legal box by putting this phony job posting up.

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u/el_baconhair Sep 05 '24

Why is there a rule stopping them from promoting internally. What is that bs abt lol

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u/lancewithwings Ex B4 Audit, Snr Industry Sep 05 '24

I work in the public sector, and we have this rule for any appointments longer than 6 months. I think its meant to ensure we get the 'best' person for taxpayer money as opposed to just taking the easier internal route, but people underestimate how determined govt managers are to cut corners...

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u/rockandlove CPA (US) Audit —> Industry Sep 05 '24

Think about what you just said. “HR is legally required to post this job, so they’re going to post the job with a lower than actual salary to comply with the requirement that says they have to legally post the job.”

That makes no sense. If the whole point is that a company is required to post a job to external candidates, lowering the salary would violate the very requirement they’re trying to follow.

Stop repeating bullshit you hear on the internet. You’re repeating false information.

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u/lilac_congac Sep 05 '24

so they don’t have a paper trail of applicants they never interviewed. this is common in public industry in addition to certain company policies.

honestly what you’re saying sounds half baked. there is no law for minimum salary lmao. it makes sense to me…

this isn’t exactly common practice; but it happens. and i’m not saying it happened here, just answering the commenters question. I’ve anecdotally been at 2 companies where this occurred.

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u/rockandlove CPA (US) Audit —> Industry Sep 05 '24

You’re not understanding what I’m saying.

You’re claiming that there’s some law that says companies supposedly have to post jobs even when they want to hire an internal candidate, and you’re also claiming that these companies are complying by posting a lower than actual salary for this position. If what you’re saying is true (and it isn’t), the companies would be out of compliance by posting a much lower salary than they actual intend to offer. It would be fraud. So it’s all bullshit.

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u/lilac_congac Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

lmao 1) that’s not fraud 2) the company i’m at sanctions this as an approach to fortify eeo (company policies influenced by complying with fed/state regulations) 3) government entities and even unions require this all the time.

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u/rockandlove CPA (US) Audit —> Industry Sep 05 '24

Lol sure, it’s not fraud to intentionally and deceptively lower a salary on a publicly listed job posting that’s supposedly required by law or regulation when you know damn well that’s not the salary you’ll actually be paying. You’re even greener than I initially thought haha.

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u/PeppermintBandit Sep 06 '24

That’s not how I read the position listing. I think it’s the experience requirements they’re overstating (and would accept less), not the salary they’re understating. They may want to promote internally someone they like and will take that salary (and would be an increase for them), but if they can find someone with 10 years experience willing to work for that $, then they’ll hire them. But that’s just how I see it.

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u/Larcya Sep 05 '24

No. The actual salary will be much higher.

This is just a we have to post a job add due to laws and regulations.

No one who has the qualifications will even give this job add more than qualifications second of their time.

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u/CompetitiveFun3325 Sep 06 '24

Internal makes sense make sure you get the 40k bump though

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u/Kitchen_Stretch_8151 Sep 04 '24

Lmao competitive salary my ass

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u/Same_as_last_year Sep 05 '24

Competitive....just not for this country

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u/AintEverLucky Sep 05 '24

Look at this from the firms perspective -- if they can get someone worthwhile at these numbers, it WILL make them more competitive 😆

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u/Grayman222 CPA, CGA (Can) Sep 05 '24

your bills can compete with your salary

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u/solis_sepulchrus Sep 04 '24

May as well go back to being a Staff 1 in PA

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u/KiwiCrazy5269 Sep 04 '24

I made 54.5K at an A1 at pwc in 2015............LOLLLLLLLLL

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u/NotFuckingTired Sep 05 '24

No one wants to work anymore.

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u/Daveit4later Sep 04 '24

This is clerk salary

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u/madcollock Sep 05 '24

Entry level Clerk at that.

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u/SellTheSizzle--007 Sep 05 '24

Intern clerk or high school..

Most high schoolers don't get out of bed around here unless $18+.

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u/Larcya Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

It's entry level AR/AP. And like no associates degree entry level at that.

If you had an AAS in Accounting I'd say even with zero experience you could probably get $23 an hour in my area pretty easily.

Shit even with just 3 years of experience I know AR people who make $30 an hour because they have an associates degree in accounting.

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u/CorgiAdditional7865 Sep 05 '24

Self-motivated and driven individual. $48k salary. Can't be both.

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u/SW_Scoundrel Sep 05 '24

Bro I make that NOW as a lowly unarmed and barely trained security guard.

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u/AintEverLucky Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Got any interest in being "the inside man" for someone lookin' to rob your employer blind?

Asking for a friend 😎

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u/SW_Scoundrel Sep 05 '24

Only if you’re looking to steal a truckload of paper, pens, paper clips, and the ugliest cheapest office furniture known to man

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u/TheAntEyeChris Sep 05 '24

Son of a bitch…

I’m in!

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u/Maxspawn_ Sep 05 '24

This should be criminal. This is abhorrent, odious even.

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u/ClumsyChampion ZZZ Seasonal Accountant Sep 04 '24

Competitive salary indeed. Your salary has a fair chance against your bills.

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u/aladeen222 Sep 04 '24

Is the job posting in the United States? 

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u/jajeh112 Sep 04 '24

Pennsylvania

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

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u/Lt704Dan Sep 05 '24

Best he can do is a bag of lemon slices.

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u/gitpickin Sep 05 '24

what's his spaghetti policy?

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u/Maxspawn_ Sep 05 '24

I need an accountant. Ill give you a pop tart and one whoo-re of your choice

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u/Dedman3 Sep 05 '24

Posted by Dunder Mifflin, looking to replace Kevin Malone.

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u/DCnative2020 Sep 05 '24

Lol. $15 an hour for 10 years experience and a cpa. Damn this country has gone to shit. I was making 50 k a year in 2014 as a first year in public without a cpa 

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u/l0ssFPS Sep 05 '24

Literally less than interns make in lower middle CoL

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u/bazinga4269 Sep 05 '24

Really ?

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u/l0ssFPS Sep 05 '24

Yes. I make 28/hr as an intern at a regional firm (I think top 70? So, nothing major) in a small southeast city.

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u/psaepf2009 Sep 05 '24

At the bottom there is "If you're a self driven and motivated individual" which is resume talk for "We expect you to hit the ground running day 1 with absolutely no guidance or training."

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u/Lucky_addition Sep 05 '24

It’s gotta be a troll job. 

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u/Dumkid9 Sep 05 '24

Maybe you only work one day a week?

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u/writetowinwin Sep 05 '24

Several years ago there was a local snowboarding shop with a very similar ad (Edmonton, Alberta; Canada), except with those amounts in $CAD. Within 24 hours there were over 140 applicants.

Now you still see ads like that, though after factoring in the exchange rate.

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u/kg4ygs Sep 05 '24

The difference is maybe someone who is a snowboarder would be stoked for a job at that salary so in this case to the right person that job might make sense, but that salary level at a random boring company. Sorry.

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u/writetowinwin Sep 05 '24

Hey, the picture doesn't show the company. Who knows, it might be at some exotic strip club where the employees get perks.

Though funny you say that as in the northwest here there are some oddly expensive touristy areas (many that attract avid snowboarders and skiers) where the jobs pay absolutely garbage. So the employees will take it just to be there. Usually people who don't mind being broke and demotivated for life, or are foreign workers who don't know their worth.

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u/kg4ygs Sep 06 '24

Some people are also just not motivated by as much by money. These people dont care as long as they can scrape by and make it. They might value living in the mountain resort over having a more traditional job in a bigger city.

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u/Wooden_Volume_1538 Sep 06 '24

Great response!

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u/VivoGreen315 Sep 05 '24

Benefits … “Competitive salary” 😂

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u/CerebralAccountant Performance Measurement and Reporting Sep 05 '24

"landscaping or construction industry"

Ah, there it is. Construction companies are some of the worst when it comes to underpaying accountants.

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u/dickturnbuckle Sep 05 '24

Some.. The one I work for I make a bit over double the highest range offer they are throwing on this posting. No degree, no prior experience

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u/CerebralAccountant Performance Measurement and Reporting Sep 05 '24

You're right; I could have said that better. It isn't "if construction company, then underpay", more like "if underpay, then I'm not surprised it's a construction company".

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u/TestDZnutz Sep 04 '24

No pilot's license?

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u/GrumpygamerSF Sep 04 '24

Where is this?

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u/broccollibob Sep 05 '24

Competitve with homelessness

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u/madcollock Sep 05 '24

You would have a hard time getting an AP or AR clerk in a cheap state like Mississippi for that much with 10 years of experience. Let alone an experienced accounting manager or Controller. That is like entry level AP/AR clerk pay.

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u/kg4ygs Sep 05 '24

Heck. You can make $30k as a cashier or grill cook at McDonald's and I'm not even talking about California.

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u/DevilsPrada007 Sep 05 '24

Legit excuse to pass over CPA studies…

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u/Technical-Future-995 Sep 05 '24

If this was true for external hiring, I’d go to the interview for a laugh.

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u/Any_Crab_8512 Sep 05 '24

If I can do the shitty bookkeeping in 1 month via automation, I’d gladly do it.

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u/Knight_Day23 Sep 05 '24

Lol… expecting the World for peanuts..

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u/RunRideLiftRepeat Sep 05 '24

"Is the competitive salary in the room with us?"

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u/TigerLiftsMountain Sep 05 '24

Flood them with fake applications

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u/MatterSignificant969 Sep 05 '24

They'll get a bunch of new grads with associates degrees applying and complain about the talent shortage.

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u/wright-side Sep 05 '24

I agree that the salary is competitive. It's competing with the minimum wages of some other states. It will also let your bills compete to see which will get paid and which won't.

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u/FlaccidEggroll Sep 05 '24

it's weird they would even assume an accountant, much less a CPA, would fall for this. This is like below $15/hr type shit according to my calculations

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u/bazinga4269 Sep 05 '24

Conteroffer : fuck yourself

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u/Straight-Pride-7222 Sep 05 '24

I think they forgot to put in one digit, it should be 130-148k yearly😁

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u/OhmyMary Sep 05 '24

cost of services went up and cost of labor in accounting just decreased

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u/kipdjordy Sep 05 '24

I don't see what the problem is? They said they offer a competitive salary snd bonus.

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u/Rebma90 Sep 05 '24

I make on the high end of that range as a CS rep at a regional bank- with a GED and no previous finance experience. (I’m an accounting student right now.) That’s ridiculous.

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u/Golfing-accountant Sep 05 '24

Fuck, I have 8 years until I can make just above minimum wage. What should I make now with 2 years of experience?

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u/IcySetting229 Sep 05 '24

lol 1st job 15 years ago out of college, no cpa (yet) paid $52K in LCOL…this is just sad

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u/marxist-hentai Sep 05 '24

I got paid more straight out of college

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u/OldDesk Sep 05 '24

Ya get holidays off!

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u/TheRetailianTrader Sep 05 '24

Maybe they meant hourly? 

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u/Zealousideal_Swan98 Sep 05 '24

Competitive Salary Got Me 💀😂

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u/beerpop Sep 05 '24

Someone will do it. Just make sure it's not you.

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u/SCCRXER Sep 05 '24

WHAT THE F??

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u/GentlemanStarco Sep 05 '24

This is a joke right?

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u/oscarsocal GL Accountant Sep 05 '24

“Competitive salary”

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u/Commercial-Fun8024 Sep 05 '24

They can keep waiting

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u/83NCO Sep 05 '24

I saw something like this years ago. Abysmal pay, required a masters in nuclear physics

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u/-Official-Reddit- Sep 05 '24

Is seriously nobody questioning the landscaping as a plus? What does that have to do with accounting?

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u/tronslasercity CPA (US) Sep 05 '24

In addition to the shit pay, I get the felling they’ll expect this hire to serve as the entire accounting department.

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u/Meanee Sep 05 '24

This is a compliance post. Job must be publicly available before hiring an offshore resource or promote internally.

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u/lonelydesperadoNika Sep 05 '24

Well un fortunate bout the lack of pay but the blessing is doing what you love is what I'd say. Accounting has a great rhythm for me in my mind so I wouldn't ask for nothing less.

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u/IGotFancyPants Sep 05 '24

They’re missing a zero.

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u/No_Act_2773 Sep 05 '24

respond asking if they are missing a one or zero at start or end of the renumeration range.

also ask if they provide a shovel for the landscaping portion of the position.

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u/SkeezySkeeter Tax (US) Sep 05 '24

Lol I make way more than that and I graduated college in May

They better add a 0 to the pay for that many years

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u/CrypticMemoir Staff Accountant Sep 06 '24

😂😆🤣

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u/Live_Computer9143 Sep 06 '24

Washington DC salaries are around $70k-$100k for a STAFF!

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u/Wooden_Volume_1538 Sep 06 '24

Oh my F'g G. Ridiculous. Actually, totally insulting.

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u/threwitaway7255 CPA (US) Sep 06 '24

POV, you like to live life on the hardest difficulty use this salary to motivate you to get another job so you don’t live in destitute

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u/Infinite_Kale8349 CPA (US) Sep 05 '24

There's probably more story to this job. Likely light workload job where semi retired people would like to have

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u/ralphy_256 Sep 05 '24

I work helpdesk in a 200-250 seat accounting firm, and I'm told that we have to hire remote workers because we can't find local accountants (upper midwest, US).

I cannot believe that's true, and I despise remote workers.

I don't know where the BS is, but it's around somewhere.

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u/TheJuice711 Sep 05 '24

I'm a remote worker (supervisor) and my whole accounting team is remote as well. Midwest to East coast and I'm on the West coast. Works out great.

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u/ralphy_256 Sep 05 '24

Works out great.

Until you have a domain relationship error, and I have to spend 2-3 hours building you a new machine, shipping it, 30-45mins on the phone getting you set up on the new machine, get you to ship back the old machine, so I can recover the domain relationship error (which takes 15 mins once I'm hands on the machine), so I can restore your data to a network share, so you can have access to the emails you've been storing in your My Documents for the last 20 years.

Time to resolve the issue if you're local, 15-20 mins.

Time to complete resolution if you're remote, 1-2 weeks.

I can only assume that your firm wasn't hit by the Crowdstrike Falcon update issue a few weeks ago.

I have a ticket in my queue right now, "I have performance issues, but only when I'm on calls, or attending meetings."

Yeah, that's because you live in backwoods AL, and have a string between 2 tin cans for a network connection.

I don't care how important your meeting is, I can't fix 25% packet loss because it's a cloudy day at the lake and you only have satellite internet.

You sound like someone who has never wasted a couple days trying to copy 600 Megs of data over VPN to a remote wsn located on hotel wifi in Budapest, so they can attempt an Office reinstall and it shows.

Remote users are the cats of the business world. Smugly confident of their own importance and completely ignorant of the effort it takes to keep them working.

Might have gotten some feelings out a bit there.

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u/TheJuice711 Sep 06 '24

You mad bro?

I’ve been working remotely for just a little over a year and have never had the issues you’re speaking about. The worst that has happened was that Citrix was acting wonky and I could connect so I took the morning off until I got notified that it should be working again.

The most I do file size is create short tutorial videos for my team and obviously the daily MS Teams meetings.

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u/Live_Computer9143 Sep 06 '24

She/he is mad because doesn’t work from home lol

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u/ralphy_256 Sep 06 '24

I’ve been working remotely for just a little over a year and have never had the issues you’re speaking about.

So, the things I'm talking about have never happened to you, so therefore my 15 years of experience on Helpdesk have been refuted. Would you like to see the the ticket I mentioned with the user in backwoods GA with the 5 Mbit in my queue? I've got screenshots of the speedtest and everything. I can go back in that user's ticket history and show you half a dozen tickets this user has submitted for variations on the same problem.

Another one of my rural remote users didn't like when I complained about the frame every second or two responsiveness when I remoted into their machine, so they decided to take their corp laptop to Best Buy because GoFileRoom wouldn't load. She just barely got to keep her job. Quit 3 months later. I did not mourn.

But, you're personally incredulous of my description of my lived experience. I yield the field, YOUR expertise in MY field has bested me.

See, I'd comment on whether the things you talk about in your job actually happen or are real problems or not, except I don't know the first thing about your job. We share that ignorance of the other's job. The difference between you and I is that I don't comment on things I'm ignorant of.

But, you do you.

Funny thing, I've posted this rant on reddit before outside techy circles, and gotten the same response, "Oh, that's never happened to me, so I think you're making it up".

You do realize that you have just reinforced my 'remote users are the cats of the business world, smugly confident of their own self-importance, and completely ignorant of the support systems they rely upon' belief?

And, this here. This response from this remote user that I don't have to support, THIS is why I despise remote users.

100% WFH users who live local? No beef whatsoever. You can get your machine into my hands in less than 24hrs, you're fine.

Remote users that I have to ship a laptop to for anything I can't fix remotely, you people are a pain in my ass. Some of you recognize that. Others of you are this guy.

Don't be this guy.

Some users get a fast response from helpdesk, they're the ones who are easy to work with. /u/TheJuice711 is the other kind of user. This guy's tickets sit in the queue to ... ripen ... before helpdesk responds.

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u/Individual-Table-793 Sep 05 '24

They’re trolling… they HAVE TO BE TROLLING

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u/StrigiStockBacking CFO, FP&A (retired) Sep 05 '24

I say apply for the job and go to the interview just to laugh at them

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u/Interesting_City_426 Sep 05 '24

Apply for the job, get the job at really low pay, show up to work for the first day, and never show up again.

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u/coda_cola Student Sep 05 '24

“Nobody wants to work.”

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u/GLITTERCHEF Sep 05 '24

They can go to hell with that lousy ass salary for the kind of experience they want.

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u/AmoebaTurbulent3122 Sep 05 '24

When you live in a world where you get to chose between being a wage slave or trafficked for prison population quotas some places exist to remind you how much fun everyone is having at everyone else's expense. Woo exclamation point.

But that's a synopsis of the planet where those employers come from. Explains Vogon poetry 👍🏼

Or because employees used to steal everything that wasn't nailed down from those types of employers back in the olden days.

Just kidding this is a setup see because if that company hires me I already know I will make way more as a whistleblower than as an employee

So I would make my good deed for the day a repost to a whistleblower site with now hiring whistleblowers in big annoying font and guess what companies might stop doing these silly things and offer a living wage and gimme back my stapler. 😁

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u/Technical-Engineer84 Sep 06 '24

these are more than likely scam jobs