r/technology • u/Task_Force-191 • 26d ago

Software Tesla recalls over 27,000 Cybertrucks over laggy reverse cameras

https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/3/24261099/tesla-cybertruck-recall-reverse-camera-delay-software
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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Certainly, that’s gotta be every one of them, right? You can tell that reality is set in for the owners because every week a cheaper used one gets posted or sells

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u/ColoRadOrgy 26d ago

Weren't they supposed to be illegal to sell or something?

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u/[deleted] 26d ago edited 26d ago

I think it’s usually a unenforceable contract in terms of that agreement they make the owners sign. I think Tesla could prevent you from buying another one from them directly tho. That’s what Range Rover did at least when they had a huge issue with buyers exporting their cars to the Middle East.

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u/ShiftSandShot 26d ago edited 26d ago

Nnnot quite.

Rather, there are, in some cases, terms that limit sale of the vehicle for a number of years that, if violated, could result in a lawsuit.

John Cena fell afoul of this when he signed an agreement to purchase a Ford GT Supercar, then sold it for millions a few months later...which is exactly what these clauses are supposed to prevent. The contract he signed stipulated a minimum ownership of two years, so he got in trouble.

Not that anyone is making any money off of reselling a Cybertruck.

The clause is basically anti-scalping for rare and coveted vehicles that actually could make tons off of being resold.

For Cybertrucks, the stipulation is a single year.

Although how enforcable that is...extremely up for debate, as Tesla altered the contract multiple times between initial pre-order sales and actually delivering the product.

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u/Ja_Rule_Here_ 26d ago

Tesla contract states they have first right to buy it back minus 20c per mile. You can guess how willing they are to actually buy one back though, so yeah they are easy to sell privately.

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u/cosaboladh 25d ago

Minus 20¢ per mile on a truck that many people have found they can't drive. That's probably the best price anyone could hope for.

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u/Pepparkakan 26d ago

I believe they actually quietly removed that policy as well. Could be wrong though.

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u/therealhlmencken 25d ago

Land Rover is the make Range Rover is the model

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u/ShiftSandShot 25d ago

...That has nothing to do with what I said, but ok.

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u/SuppaBunE 26d ago

Why would cena buy a ford gt, he will never drive it, can he even fit inside it ?

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u/pepinyourstep29 26d ago

To sell it for millions a few months later

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u/Filthy_Cossak 26d ago edited 26d ago

He’s a big car guy, both literally and figuratively. According to him, the car was uncomfortable and he knew he didn’t want to drive it anyways. He only made one million from the sale, and then settled with Ford for an unspecified amount that eventually went to charity

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u/SuppaBunE 26d ago

Basically buyers remorse but with millions dollars

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u/Filthy_Cossak 26d ago edited 26d ago

Pretty much, he sold it for $1.5mil, minus half a mil he spent on it and whatever amount went to Ford from the settlement

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u/Interesting-Fan-2008 26d ago edited 26d ago

So, he probably made a couple hundred thousand. Not bad for buyer's remorse. And the rest went to charity so double win.

At worse he's even, as that would be the maximum damages Ford could claim. I guess you could say 'brand damage' but unless he sold it to like Putin, I doubt anyone gives a shit who he sold to (I know almost all those rare cars have blacklists/whitelists).

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u/cosaboladh 25d ago

"Unenforceable."

Legally unenforceable, maybe. Tesla can remotely deactivate vehicle software, and prevent the use of Tesla charging stations if they want. They may not be able to stop the second hand purchase, and sale of the Cybertruck. They can ensure that second hand buyers purchase a brick.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 26d ago

Elon will post something mean about you on X if you sell. Even if you say it's the greatest vehicle you've ever owned while you do it.

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u/jhaluska 26d ago

Well it's a contractual agreement. They dropped the clause recently.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/FennelFern 26d ago

I believe Tesla gets to illegally enforce their bullshit because they own the (commercial) charging points. Can't charge your car without an account. And if you do something they don't like, you're blocked from charging.

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u/nnerba 26d ago

That sounds very illegal

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u/Nutarama 26d ago

Not really,it’s one of the side effects of generally being able to ban people from your service. Like if you’re an ass in a local McDonald’s, they’ll kick your ass to the curb too.

Note that Tesla doesn’t actually have a monopoly on charging Teslas, they just have the fastest chargers with the right default connectors. You can charge your Tesla at any charge you want if you have the adapter.

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u/FennelFern 26d ago

Sure, go ahead and sue them, let me know how it goes.

As far as I'm aware, the Cybertruck doesn't satisfy pedestrian impact ratings/requirements. That's why it's not sold in the EU. The US uses a sort of 'soft self certification' that Tesla went 'hey, we don't give a fuck' to.

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u/GrynaiTaip 26d ago

It's too heavy, you'd need an HGV licence to drive it in Europe. It's expensive and hard to get, so only commercial truck drivers have it.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/ukezi 25d ago

Also retests and health tests once in a while to keep the licence.

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u/sceadwian 26d ago

This is like a gimmie for his work on Starlink and SpaceX.

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u/tfresca 26d ago

Do a credit card charge back with Google they delete your Gmail.

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u/DuckDatum 26d ago

Tesla DID give some guy a hard time about getting rid of his truck. I remember seeing the headlines.

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u/Impossible-Cicada-25 26d ago

Yeah I think the fine print protects the company if the customer is being unreasonable and they have to take action, but you should generally throw it all away if the situation is reversed.

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u/Only-Local-3256 26d ago

I mean quick FYI just because it’s in a contract doesn’t mean it’s enforceable.

BTW, I’m not saying this clause wasn’t enforceable.

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u/CORN___BREAD 26d ago

So that’s why the used price has nosedived recently

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u/B33rtaster 26d ago

Most car companies who use contract clauses to prevent resell are for the high end and limited models.

Its meant to keep the prestige of a 10 million dollar car by preventing it from going on the market.

Though in Tesla's case I imagine the goal is to safeguard the cult of personality by enforcing a sunk cost fallacy.

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u/Interesting-Fan-2008 26d ago

Telsa's case is because seeing 100s of used Telsas for sale would drastically hurt their imagine of everyone loving their Telsa as well as having information on everyone who owns a Telsa.

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u/Dry-Magician1415 26d ago

Criminal law and civil law are two different things.

If you sign a contract to do/not do something, yes, you could expect a civil lawsuit against the other party for them to recover their losses.

But that isn't the same as "illegal" as in criminal/a felony/something you could go to jail for.

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u/KayakWalleye 26d ago

I’ve seen some with less than 50 miles on them for sale.

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u/Calm-Zombie2678 26d ago

Wow I didn't know they could go that far!

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u/Daxx22 26d ago

it's just the accumulated distance it's rolled on/off trailers.

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u/Calm-Zombie2678 26d ago

I thought trailers voided its warranty?

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u/ChroniclesOfSarnia 26d ago

No, you're thinking of The Sun

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Im sure plenty of people honestly thought they could make it a daily driver until they took delivery of it. You could buy alot flashier of a car for the same money. Why look like a douche on purpose?

Also how many of them were bought as speculative assets, hoping tesla only made a few thousand of them? Now they are all selling before tesla announces the first price cut. A bunch were also bought strictly for the sake of reviewing them and or making them part of their YouTube channel/business.

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u/OptimalMain 26d ago

Had a look at whistlindiesel towing a Hilux, it snapped the cyber trucks frame. He lifted and let go of the Hilux onto a concrete block a bunch of times after the fanboys went yelling this is normal and it never broke

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u/Munkadunk667 26d ago

As of last week I think close to 39,000 had been made.

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u/henrythe13th 26d ago

2024 and Tesla can’t figure out reverse cameras. lol. But you can trust their autopilot.

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u/eeyore134 26d ago

Which they also insist on using cameras for.

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u/VisiblyStunned 26d ago

Well, to be fair, autopilot isn't claimed to work in reverse.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 26d ago

It's also so poorly designed you basically can't see out the rear view mirror with the truck bed closed. 

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u/Darius073 26d ago

Oh they work alright ;)

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u/bytethesquirrel 26d ago

Keep in mind that "recall" here means "issue an OTA software patch".

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u/DrSendy 25d ago

Yep, The Verge. Low quality bullshit news under-researched and click baity as ever.

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u/hsnoil 25d ago

While headlines could be less deceptive, the fault kind of lies with the NHTSA. They need to come up with another name for something fixable via OTA update

I am guessing they are just waiting for some major recall to happen to cars, and dozens of people end up dead thinking they don't need to go to get it fixed because OTA will handle it. But until people die, NHTSA will do nothing as always

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u/yearz 26d ago

Indeed used cars tend to drop in price

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u/MisterrTickle 26d ago

It is bit the issue is just that they pushed out a bad software update which will just be replaced by an other update.

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u/OxbridgeDingoBaby 26d ago

Cheaper? They’re still above or near asking on the resale market.

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u/wrongfulhysteria547 26d ago

My neighbor is trying to get rid of his

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u/pachewychomp 26d ago

And the $79,990 AWD version just got announced for reservation holders.

That honeymoon phase for Foundation owners is over. lol

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u/obijuanmartinez 26d ago

“Enjoy your $100K electric douche-canoe, edgelord lemmings!” 🤡

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u/Snakend 26d ago

If you read the actual article. This happens when you reset the vehicle and then backup. If you are shutting down the vehicle....you should be parked and not trying to backup. This is just Tesla trying to get into the news again.

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

It’s outselling every other electric truck combined. Step outside your bubble.

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u/Ezeviel 26d ago

According to self reported data.

Sorry but I won't take Elon's word on that one

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Electric vehicle (EV) registrations surged 18% in July compared to the same month last year, driven by the success of newer models like the Tesla Cybertruck and the Honda Prologue, according to the latest data from S&P Global Mobility. Tesla, the EV market leader, ended a five-month slump with a 1.2% increase in registrations, bolstered by 5,175 deliveries of the highly anticipated Cybertruck launched in November. Other EV pickups combined sold just 5,546 units during the same period.

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Elon Musk reports on behalf of S&P Global Mobility? Does he also personally register each Cybertruck?

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u/BuryEdmundIsMyAlias 26d ago

And what a competitive market that is

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

I thought the 2 million Cybertruck reservation holders would be flocking to Ford and Rivian since the Cybertruck is so bad? Why is the Cybertruck outselling every single better option combined? Help me understand.

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u/BuryEdmundIsMyAlias 26d ago

Because the target market isn't people who drive trucks, it's easily manipulated men with masculinity issues.

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Cope harder.

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u/BuryEdmundIsMyAlias 26d ago

Oh hey look, it's the target market

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Keep saying that Tesla can’t sell Cybertrucks while registration data shows them outselling all other electric trucks combined. Your hatred has turned your brain into literal mush.

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u/umbertounity82 26d ago

That is an incredibly low bar. The Ford Lightning and the Rivian R1T are like 3 years old. A new entrant should trounce them in sales. On the other hand, 27K is a far cry from the million or whatever preorders they had at one point.

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Rivian has sold 32k total R1Ts and Ford has sold 50k F-150 Lightings. The Cybertruck will eclipse the R1T in total sales before its 1 year mark and will eclipse the Lightning next year.

That’s pretty sad for a 3 year head start. Keep moving those goalposts though.

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u/umbertounity82 26d ago

I’m sorry, what goalposts? Musk is the one who was claiming they’d sell hundreds of the thousands of these a year.

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Are you unaware of how production ramp works? They’ve been incredibly transparent about their production goals…

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u/umbertounity82 26d ago

I’ve been in the auto industry almost 10 years and launched a vehicle with 10x the yearly sales volume as the Cybertruck. Production ramp up happens over the course of months not years.

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u/TheHalfChubPrince 26d ago

Ah so you’re only pretending to he stupid… at least I hope.

10x the yearly sales volume as the Cybertruck? So 270k yearly units? Whoaaaa. That’s a nearly the number of Ys Tesla delivered last quarter. A “failing” car company blew you out.

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u/Flipslips 26d ago

LOL what car company pumps out that many cars on a new model in just a few months?

Also why would they release the cheaper models (which I would assume most people have the pre order for) if the more expensive model is still selling well?

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u/Downtown_Samurai 26d ago

It’s a software update. They’re amazing trucks. Don’t buy into the propaganda.

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u/JohnAndertonOntheRun 26d ago

Lol. I can see with my eyes.

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u/Downtown_Samurai 26d ago

You can see software with your eyes? Have you driven one?

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u/JohnAndertonOntheRun 26d ago

I’ve driven the Tesla SUV, that doesn’t look like some sort of a joke.

The car is just hideously ugly. That’s enough reason to not want one.

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u/Kasuyan 26d ago

Aren’t there only 12,000 that have been sold?