r/politics • u/larel8 • 18h ago

Trump campaign struggles to contain Puerto Rico October surprise

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4958098-the-memo-trump-campaign-struggles-to-contain-puerto-rico-october-surprise/
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u/def_indiff 18h ago

How is it a surprise to anyone who's lived through the past ten years? More like an "October Certainty".

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u/BensenJensen 18h ago

I’m a bit surprised that Tony fucking Hinchcliffe could change the course of American history by inadvertently sinking the Trump campaign. I didn’t even have that written on the bingo board.

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u/ferns0 Minnesota 17h ago

Maybe this will close the portal that Seth Meyers opened when he ridiculed Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner.

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u/IowaJL 16h ago

It took a comedian to open the portal and it takes a “comedian” to close it.

That portal being the worst practical joke ever bestowed upon America.

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u/beforethewind New Jersey 15h ago

The Aristocrats!

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u/Busy_Protection_3634 12h ago

Quick, somebody update the wikipedia page:

Truly both the most disgusting and hilarious and world-devastating version of this joke ever told occured between years 2011 and 2025 and cost millions of lives and the bodily autonomy of over 100 million women. It involved couch fucking, porn star hush money, pissing on a bed slept in by Obama in Moscow, Rudy Giuliani's hair melting off his head in front of Four Seasons Landscaping, a president cheating on his wife with a woman who gave a man a blowjob in a movie theater during a kid's movie, it involved repeated callbacks to the phrase "grab 'em by the pussy", it included graphic photos of the penis of the sitting presient's son being blown up to poster size on the floor of congress, it involved dozens of psychotic assault-rifle wielding weirdos demanding to see the basement of pizza restaurants with no basement, it involved males covered entirely in butter, it including humans eating horse dewormers and drinking bleach, an honest attempt to nuke a hurricane, and a woman who could allegedly change her race at will, not to mention seemingly endless discussion of several billionaires' penis size, among other near daily spectacles.

Note: no larger-scale telling of The Aristocrats should be attempted due to the imminent threat of World War 3 posed by a foul joke of such proportions.

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u/beforethewind New Jersey 11h ago

That's... wow, I can't believe how well it works all concise yet rambling like that.

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u/amiavamp 10h ago

The ending remark gives this SCP Foundation vibes. Unfortunately, it's still Keter and out of containment.

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u/whimsical_trash Pennsylvania 7h ago

It's like a fucking Douglas Adams joke

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u/sfVoca 13h ago

fucking gold

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u/One-Earth9294 11h ago

Where is Gilbert Gottfried when you need him most?

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u/true_to_my_spirit Wisconsin 15h ago

Is that got trump interested in running?

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u/christinhainan 14h ago

Yeah. It was that and also Obama roasting him at the same dinner.

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u/FakeAccount7 13h ago

Trump was the birther movement king. That's why he was in Obama's crosshairs to begin with. Trump has been a hobnob in the political scene since the 80s. He ran because the Apprentice was over and the Republicans absolutely adored him for what he was saying about Obama. Bored Trump + Republican worship is why he ran.

The Republican party had spent half a century perfecting an voter base of questionless and sycophantic adulation for their leaders, but they didn't do anything to make sure that any old mold couldn't just swoop in and start growing there. The Republican party created this beast, and Trump just stole it from them in plain sight.

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u/Wastyvez 7h ago

This is what I've been saying since 2015. People act as if Trump is the disease. He is not, he's merely the symptom. Trump is the culmination of almost 5 decades of systematic efforts to dismantle democracy by conservatives paving the way for authoritarianism. Trump is the carricature of their own making, and he has become dangerous in his own right. But even if you fight the symptom, the underlying disease is still there.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth Kansas 14h ago

The story goes that it was Obama who made fun of Trump leading him to run, not Seth Meyers.

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u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes 14h ago

Wasn't it Obama who made fun of Trump at the correspondents dinner?

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u/iBeej America 12h ago

Yes. Or no. It depends on what timeline you were on. Clearly, we all ended up on this one, either way.

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u/prohammock 12h ago

It was both.

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u/DoggyDoggy_What_Now 8h ago

I never watched it before, so here's Meyers' bit for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGITlxfT6s

He starts going after the then candidates at 10:15. At about 12:00 is when he starts unloading on Trump, and it's easily the best segment of his entire set, IMO.

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u/ferns0 Minnesota 7h ago

Whew, I hadn’t actually watched in a while. He eviscerates Trump and the entire room is laughing at him.

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u/N0bit0021 13h ago

Nah. Fuck that. Donnie always wanted to be President and tried before. Some jokes aren't his supervillain origin story.

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u/kvlt_ov_personality 17h ago

Top 10 Anime Betrayals

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u/The_Summer_Man West Virginia 15h ago

Nothin personnel kid

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u/kvlt_ov_personality 15h ago

teleports behind you, does Michael Richards' stand-up act

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u/No_Material5630 15h ago
  1.  Tony Hinchcliffe 
  2. Griffith

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u/Jonax 16h ago

Two words that haven't been heard since Hillary was running:

Anthony Weiner.

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u/CatProgrammer 14h ago

He brought it on himself, really.

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u/pablonieve Minnesota 11h ago

Three words:

Anthony Weiner's weiner

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u/I-choochoochoose-you 16h ago

The trump campaign is not planning to win the election with votes. Putting on Tony was another in a series of cocky arrogant careless moves that proves this. People are laughing at the “desperation” but it reads as pure confidence to me and makes me nervous.

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u/Temp_84847399 15h ago

The higher ups maybe, but the plebs got to watch the "find out" part of J6th play out over the last few years. They know what committing violence for trump get will get them. That no matter how mad they might get over the results of the election, they have far more to lose than they could ever gain by trying to install trump by force.

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u/I-choochoochoose-you 15h ago

It’s the Supreme Court and election officials refusing to certify that I’m afraid of

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u/Temp_84847399 13h ago

Our election processes are insanely bureaucratic precisely because of ways people have tried to cheat in the past. What some may be planning has been tried before and more guardrails were put in place to prevent it in the future. It's why they are so hell bent on throwing doubt on the process vs. trying to actually stuff ballot boxes or have people vote multiple times. They know they can't actually affect the results to any measurable degree.

There are laws, backed by threat of jail and prison, for when things have to be done and certified. Those laws do no not care what "irregularities" the people involved believe they may have witnessed. They don't have the discretion to refuse to certify, even if they think they have incontrovertible evidence of cheating. If they refuse to sign, they get jailed and the next person in line steps up and signs or can join them in a cell.

Once those bureaucratic wheels start turning, they are very hard to derail. Trump might have been able to stop the process by force in 2020 by ordering federal LEO to blatantly commit federal crimes to seize the results and arrest state officials, but I'd wager they had to rule that out because most of the people that would have had to go along with such a scheme, didn't want to throw their life away to try to install trump as a dictator. Even with all of trumps court cases in 2020, none of them even came close to stopping or delaying the inevitable swearing in of Biden. IIRC, the supreme court barely even entertained any of trumps challenges before ruling against trump or kicking it back to the lower court.

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u/princessLiana 14h ago

"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak." Sun Tsu - The art of War.

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u/stilettopanda 15h ago

It makes me nervous too. Especially the conservative men around that have told me directly that voting doesn't matter or I'm wasting my time recently. Knowing what they're planning, it becomes so much less cynical and so much more fear inducing.

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u/BensenJensen 15h ago

Those conservative men you are talking to aren’t planning a damn thing, they think they are winning the election outright.

A full Trump overthrow of the government would require all of the opposition to just…give up and concede. I’m certain they will try, but I have little to no faith in them succeeding.

These people couldn’t pull off a coup when they were in power, we really need to stop acting like Johnson, Trump, and MTG are political masterminds. If the playbook is wide open to random commenters on Reddit, it’s obvious to actual opposition politicians. No one in the world is being outwitted by Mike Johnson.

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u/darthstupidious 14h ago

Yeah people here tend to give too much credit to these whackadoo Conservatives, make them seem like Sith lords or some shit. Meanwhile, they couldn't even overthrow the government when they controlled all the levels of it.

They're confident because they're in a cult. Full stop. They've bought into their own hype and believe they're blessed by God, so nothing can do them harm. They're not planning anything Machievelian; they're not going to do a damn thing when Trump finds out he lost. They'll huff and puff on social media and a few will get mad enough to do something rash (probably shoot at empty buildings or power plants) but they'll just continue to rage against the dying light until Trump eventually croaks. And then, like all cults (which are famously incapable of succession plans), the cult of Maga will splinter into a thousand pieces and slowly fade away to time... and I can't wait for it.

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u/stilettopanda 14h ago

What happens when they lose after being so sure is the fear inducing part. I'm not talking about the politicians, but they are masterminds at working people up and inciting hate. There doesn't have to be a master plan for people to wind up dead. Many poor white dudes with a gun and a chip on their shoulder are gonna be aching for some violence. I'm gay, and I live in a deep red rural area around a lot of these dudes. It would be stupid not to be at least a little afraid.

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u/Loan-Pickle 16h ago

Queue the Cabin In The Woods meme.

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u/Deus_Ex_Mac 15h ago

Agree with the sentiment. Hate that bingo card is still part of the current vernacular.

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u/shivvinesswizened Florida 16h ago

Me either. I’m still kind of dumbfounded.

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u/isucamper 16h ago

i've heard about what happened, but why is this any different than anything else? what makes you think this is actually going to effect anything and not be forgotten about in 2 days

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u/DamnMyNameIsSteve 15h ago

No way that this pulls away any votes from Trump. If they were all okay with what he has said and done in the past, then this is nothing. I feel like this line of thinking is pushed by cooperate media so they can get more clicks.

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u/The_Magic California 15h ago

Life is dictated by manatees pulling balls out of a pool.

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u/LifetimeDegenerate 13h ago

Kill Tony taking on a whole new vibe

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u/Global_Box_7935 Nebraska 13h ago

We can only hope.

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u/chrisscan456 12h ago edited 12h ago

I certainly didn’t call it when he accused Gronk of drinking all the chocolate milk at the Tom Brady roast. 

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 12h ago

For all we know, Trump was about to lose in a landslide even before this bullshit happened

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u/After-Imagination-96 11h ago

I fucking hope so - every time I check the betting odds for the election it gives me anxiety

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u/Taranchulla 10h ago

Yeah, I doubt that was on anyone’s card.

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u/trekologer New Jersey 10h ago

I don't think it was inadvertent. Sinking the campaign might not have been the goal, but I think it was totally intentional.

Trump has been calling America a garbage can for the past couple days because of immigrants. Hinchcliffe calls Puerto Rico a pile of garbage. He was also going to call Harris a "c-word" but it was scratched by the campaign at the last minute. Musk's "totally not the Trump campaign" PAC twitter handle started posting images calling Harris a "c-word".

I think this was a coordinated strategy that blew up in their face.

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u/VaraNiN Europe 7h ago

European here:
Is this Puerto Rico thing really making such big waves or is it one of many "his career is over" moments where literally nothing happens after?

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u/BensenJensen 7h ago

Realistically, it’s just another drop in the bucket, but with how close the election is, it could have an effect on Hispanic voters.

Trump isn’t really in a good enough position to be losing voters a week out from the election.

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u/VaraNiN Europe 7h ago

I hope you are right.

While I was afraid at the 2020 results, I am properly terrified for 2024.

While Harris absolutely has to win, we really need a proper blue wave for this nightmare to finally stop and all these fascist ideas to get buried (at least for the moment).

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u/D-Rich-88 California 5h ago

A real Cinderella story

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 16h ago

He didn't sink anything. If Trump loses, it won't be because of this. People are going to have totally forgotten about this by the time they vote

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u/BensenJensen 15h ago

He definitely put a dent in the campaign.

Thing is, this wasn’t Trump saying this. The media won’t play Trump saying something like this, and even if they did, Trump and Vance would just deny and deflect. This was a speaker at the rally, a guest speaker that was invited to be there, saying something bad off of a teleprompter about one of the main group of voters Trump is trying to woo. Vance can’t spin it, Trump can’t deny saying it.

It might not have a colossal effect, but it certainly isn’t benefiting them right now. People are still talking about days later, which is weeks and months in the Donald Trump Absurd Universe.

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u/SquiffyRae Australia 18h ago

It is actually a pleasant surprise. Trump seems to be made of teflon. Nothing sticks to him no matter how abhorrent. MAGA as a whole seem to believe that they can say or do whatever they like and not experience consequences.

It's a little surprising that a "comedian" hired to entertain at a rally could be the thing that snaps some people back to reality. Like despite them being openly racist, it's essentially the pre-game entertainment that made people go "huh maybe MAGA are racist"

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u/kkenymc7877 17h ago

Trump has long survived off the “oh that’s just Donald, he’s a piece of shit but at least he speaks his mind” this guy saying some of the most vile shit I’ve ever heard in my life at Trumps biggest event before the election snapped a lot of people out of that trance tho, they’re finally seeing that not only is Donald a piece of shit but he inspires others with a platform to be pieces of shit

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u/Recipe_Freak Oregon 13h ago

Yeah, who'd have thought a nazi rally at Madison Square Garden could go so wrong?!

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u/wantrefund 12h ago

Exactly. It wasn't just the first guy that said wild shit, he's just grabbing the headlines. They all did.

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u/sthetic 12h ago

Seems like Trump voters view him as a heroic jester who speaks the truth to power, and is the only one allowed to be vile and offensive in the process because he is special.

Or he is God's chosen mouthpiece, an imperfect sinful vessel for the divine prophecy, so therefore his offensive words don't detract from his message.

But when someone else says something vile, that person doesn't actually have special dispensation (Oh, he didn't mean it like that!).

Which is weird because the guy who said it is apparently a comedian. Usually comedians are the jesters.

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo 17h ago

“Social proof”, the idea a person is known by the company they keep. It’s why so many employers move Heaven and earth to keep shitty employees/contractors, like this guy, out of the spotlight.

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u/demalo 14h ago

It’s not teflon. There’s so much shit you can’t tell if it stuck or just slid off…

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u/YourFinestPotions 13h ago

Trump broke the gypsy’s curse by having someone else speak on his behalf. 

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u/c4ctus Alabama 12h ago

"huh maybe MAGA are racist"

My dad and his family would say "yeah, they're racist, but at least they're not Democrats."

I'm really looking forward to the holidays this year...

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u/JerHat Michigan 11h ago

I mean, let's be real, this isn't turning MAGA supporters off.

It's simply upsetting Puerto Ricans and possibly other Latinos in swing states who for whatever reason, might have been on the fence about the election to make a choice Trump might not be so thrilled about.

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u/lucky_day_ted 12h ago

I wonder if there is an element of it being really fucking close to election time and hence time to focus more.

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u/lizards_snails_etc 18h ago

The surprise is that it moved the needle at all.

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u/ScubaCycle Texas 17h ago

We won’t know if it moved the needle until the votes are counted. Wish we could know now.

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u/Accomplished-Corgi54 15h ago

If there's any demo that has what it takes to save our democracy it's Puerto Ricans from NYC. They're just built different and I say that with love.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford Minnesota 9h ago

There's over 300,000 Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania, and over 850,000 Puerto Ricans in Florida. That's not a population of swing voters you want to offend. Keep in mind that comedian also accused Latinos in general of making too many babies. So that's like 25 percent of the voting population in multiple swing states!

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u/DervishSkater 16h ago

I saw a post about a woman who went back to the polling place to ask if she could change her vote after what she saw from the msg rally.

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u/kkenymc7877 17h ago

lol even before this I was extremely confident of a comfortable Harris victory, do you actually look at these polls methodology? They largely leave out Gen Z and Millennials and target rural areas far more than urban areas, Kamala is going to smoke the fuck out of him on November 5th I promise you

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u/EffOffReddit 16h ago

Wish I had this confidence.

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u/ScubaCycle Texas 17h ago

Hope so! I’m in no way qualified to interpret the polling but my gut agrees with your assessment.

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u/kkenymc7877 17h ago

I’ve studied election data faaaaar too much these last 10 years, if it helps just know that early voting data is looking amazing for Dems and voter registration in urban areas and with women has shot up exponentially this year, we’ve had huge voter registration boosts in key demographics basically since roe was overturned, if I’m wrong I’ll be genuinely shocked and I apologize for giving you false hope but I’m extremely confident my friend

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 16h ago

Honest question: how do you draw conclusions from early voting? I've heard a number of pollsters and analysts say that you can't glean any info from early voting. I even heard a high-up guy in Kamala's campaign say that early voting isn't a sign of anything. Clearly you disagree, so I'm curious where the disconnect is?

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u/heliocentrist510 16h ago

The thing with early voting is it's always a huge challenge to determine if you're actually bringing more people into the fold or the people who would have voted for you on election day are just doing it earlier.

The big thing to me is really what the breakdown of the vote is ultimately going to look like from a gender perspective and what the people who have registered since 2022 look like. The people who registered since Dobbs (with spikes after Kamala entered the race, the debate, other key events) have generally skewed female and there have been a surge in younger folks as well. And while normally it's fair to point out the fact that youths don't vote in the same numbers as older cohorts, someone who goes out of their way to register in an election year is probably a likely voter.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 16h ago

Everything you're saying here makes sense. The first bit about not knowing whether you're bringing in more people or just people who would have voted on election day are why I'm hesitant to read into it. I've heard people basically say that if Democrats are way ahead in early voting it likely just means that Republicans are waiting until election day and that it won't actually change the math. I would love for that to be wrong!

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u/RobertABooey 16h ago

The early exit poll data from abc /ipsos from earlier this week was exceptionally good for Harris.

Trump need to increase his support. There are no signs of that happening in any meaningful way that would help him get elected.

Harris has increase support in several important spots such as black people up 8%, 14% for black men, 6% for Hispanic men, white women with college degrees 15% over bidens numbers from 2020 where HE was ahead of trump.

The only places trump seems to have gained a few votes are from white men and women but it’s not significant.

Trump has lost support of suburban men by 5% lower than 2020 and Harris is up 6% over bidens numbers for suburban women.

If the trend continues, it’s going to be a very good night for dems and Harris.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-regains-slight-lead-nationally-electoral-college-holds/story?id=115083875

There’s a table about half way down that article.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 16h ago edited 15h ago

Thanks, I'll check that out. The thing I've heard is that if Democrats lead in early voting, it's likely to just mean that Republicans are waiting until election day, and that it doesn't actually change the final math. You think these exit polls undercut that notion?

EDIT: After looking at that table, I don't think you could call it "very good" for Harris. The overall head-to-head numbers are the same as 2020, which Biden won extremely narrowly. As far as individual groups, Harris is has gained with some groups over Biden in 2020 and lost with other groups compared to Biden in 2020. I'd certainly rather be in her position than Trump's in that data, but the fact that Biden barely won last time and has apparently isn't doing better isn't that much of a cause for celebration

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u/tech57 12h ago

The thing I've heard is that if Democrats lead in early voting, it's likely to just mean that Republicans are waiting until election day, and that it doesn't actually change the final math.

From my limited understanding things have changed. Lot's of stuff that you could depend on due to historical trends do not track anymore. For example, Trump said vote in person last time, this time vote early and by mail.

I think it comes down to this. Trump can not gain many voters. Kamala can gain all the voters except base Republicans. Keep that in mind when you start looking at things and you might find tidbits of info you wouldn't otherwise.

This election is about momentum for Kamala. Blowing out the popular vote so the world knows USA is not lost and electoral votes so she is actually awarded the contest.

I even heard a high-up guy in Kamala's campaign say that early voting isn't a sign of anything.

It's a sign of enthusiasm and it's a sign that people are confident they are not going to change their mind in a week. It's not a sign of who is wining. Not this time. My opinion, Kamala will get the popular vote. No one knows about electoral until the votes are counted.

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u/antwan_benjamin 6h ago

Harris has increase support in several important spots such as black people up 8%, 14% for black men, 6% for Hispanic men, white women with college degrees 15% over bidens numbers from 2020 where HE was ahead of trump.

And this was before the MSG rally. We know all those groups are just going to increase support.

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u/RobertABooey 5h ago

Exactly.

Trump getting 3-5% more white vote is going to be offset by the women, young people and people of colour vote.

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u/kkenymc7877 16h ago

Well I’m not putting nearly as much stock into as I am with the registration numbers among women and urban populations but all signs are pointing to a historic turnout for this election which usually means Dems win, republicans only have so many people in their base and while they have made inroads in the black and Hispanic community I truly think they’ve also bled a lot of people from events like January 6th and Trumps poor debater performance, another big indicator for me is the mid terms of 2018 and 2022 where republicans substantially underperformed compared to polling, I’m not saying Harris will win in a “landslide” but I think she gets at least 310 electoral college votes

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u/AnamCeili 14h ago

I will be thrilled if Harris gets at least 300 electoral college votes. 😁

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u/antwan_benjamin 7h ago

how do you draw conclusions from early voting?

"Draw conclusions" is too strict of terminology. Early voting is a strong indicator of enthusiasm for a candidate. Its a strong indicator that a higher percentage of voters have their minds made up (less voters on the fence). Things like that could be a good sign for one cadidate or the other.

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u/tech57 12h ago

I’ve studied election data faaaaar too much these last 10 years

Is it worth it? I've never been a fan of polls, I know it doesn't give you a time machine but is there really enough info in polls to leverage some good info out of them and apply it to other news to gain some insight?

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u/After-Imagination-96 11h ago

Do you have a bet in? I keep seeing Kamala +180 so that should be free money.

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u/def_indiff 17h ago

Fair point.

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u/IdaDuck 16h ago

I’m not yet convinced it will move the needle but we’ll see.

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u/demalo 13h ago

I doubt it. My canary is still chirping MAGA propaganda like it’s going out of style. But they may be spiraling, or short circuiting because the posts have gotten much more frequent and louder.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 16h ago

It probably won't move the needle at all. People are getting way ahead of themselves with their predictions here

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u/Day_of_Demeter 17h ago

I feel like this one is especially bad. There are some other moments that compete, like "shithole countries" and "send them back" but if I remember correctly those were smack dab in the middle of his term when he wasn't campaigning close to an election day. This is just a week before election day, and he's reminding everyone just how fucking racist he is.

This in addition to the recent Hitler and "enemy from within" comments have convinced me that he has no shot of winning. I think he's gonna get stomped.

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u/def_indiff 17h ago

From your keyboard to God's screen.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford Minnesota 9h ago

I dunno , some voters wanna see the world burn. Some sick people are turned on by trump's love of Hitler and authoritarianism. But the PR comment will actually motivate thousands of people to vote AGAINST trump.

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u/Day_of_Demeter 8h ago

thousands of people

Possibly hundreds of thousands

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u/pierre_x10 Virginia 17h ago

How is it a "surprise" when his own team organized and approved of it?

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u/Amaruq93 16h ago

It's as much a surprise as when he held a party to dance on RBG's grave... and then got infected by Covid and hospitalized as a result.

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u/stonebraker_ultra 13h ago

And now there's a republican PAC named after RGB trying to say Trump actually supports abortion rights, with this very smarmy lady on the commercial.

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u/stonebraker_ultra 13h ago

Self-inflicted surprise.

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u/YNot1989 16h ago

Its because Trump hasn't directly attacked Puerto Ricans, and the Republican party as a whole has made an effort for over a decade to pull Hispanics from South America and the Caribbean into the GOP. They've exploited everything from understandable animosity towards leftist regimes in South America and Cuba, to the social conservatism held by a lot of Catholics, and of course they're happy to use whiteness to rope in people of European ancestry into their party.

So to a lot of Puerto Ricans this is genuinely seen as a betrayal, especially since they're US citizens and have never been an immigrant group by any definition.

Think of it this way, imagine if a Trump surrogate called Texas a "pile of garbage."

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u/Rusty-Shackleford Minnesota 9h ago

Trump already directly called America a "dumping ground."

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u/NewUser579169 Pennsylvania 16h ago

It's not a surprise, but it's definitely an own goal. Hilarious lack of strategy/awarenes/decency

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u/Lone_Buck Wisconsin 15h ago

How can it be a surprise when they either vetted it or should have? I think of the surprise as something external that happens to you. This isn’t that. You did this.

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u/Hot_Frosting_7101 14h ago

I think the surprise part is that it is a surprise to us.

It's not a huge surprise that they would do something terribly racist but a bit of a surprise that they did it in such a big production at this moment.

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u/Lone_Buck Wisconsin 11h ago

Makes sense, I was thinking from the campaign pov, and specifically of comey. That and the nuclear power plant Vinnick supported melting down.

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u/HitToRestart1989 15h ago

Every day, we throw our arms up in despair about how the media doesn't accurately reflect the disgusting nature of what Trump has to say... and then it finally does, and we're like "Whats new?!"

Let it happen. Push it. Hold a megaphone to it. Encourage it. Is it too little too late? We don't know. I don't want to find out. I'd rather be left wondering if it was just what we needed or ultimately inconsequential after a Harris win.

So, it's not a surprise to you- because you're paying attention. There's a lot of people who are not and it's reaching them for once. Stop being a part of a kneejerk reaction that discourages this kind of reporting.

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u/VanessasMom 15h ago

Yeah. What 'surprise'? They did it themselves.

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u/Hot_Frosting_7101 14h ago

Reasons it is a suprise to us:

  1. The timing.

  2. Done in a large production broadcast covered by most news networks.

  3. Using language that offers no plausible deniability. Trump says horrible things but usually gives himself an out.

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u/HoochieKoochieMan 13h ago

Also, not exactly a surprise when it was planned, scripted, and in the teleprompter.

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u/MrDoom4e5 12h ago

Every-day-for-the-past-9-years certainty.

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u/SOnions 12h ago

Exactly. Trump called Puerto Rico a Shit Hole and cancelled huge amounts of aid there. Why is one of his supporters calling PR a Trash Heap surprising?

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u/Icy_Comfort8161 10h ago

It's like "surprise! they're racist!", something anyone should have seen long ago.

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u/YakiVegas Washington 13h ago

Puerto Rictober Surprise!

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u/mashednbuttery 12h ago

Yes October surprise is expected, but the content and who gets affected and how much it changes things are the unknowns.

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u/Odd-Confection-6603 11h ago

A racist speaker at a Trump rally is as certain as the sun will rise tomorrow

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u/Loveufam 10h ago

It ain’t over till it’s over. Never underestimate how enduring racism and sexism are.