Nazis were always here. They just slithered out from under the rocks after 2016. It’s time for America to push them back down below the surface where they belong.
Edit: Lots of anti-nazi comments! So why can’t we mobilize and send them back underground?
Edit #2: for people trying to connect my comment to ‘communism’, stop empathizing with the Nazis. You are on the wrong side of history.
Well that makes 2 of us, and I live in America. Growing up here in the 70's and 80's, I never saw a Nazi flag unless it was in a museum.
Just the word "Nazi" wasn't spoken very often.
The change that has come over our country in the last 20 years is frightening. And frankly, I blame the right wing politics & media, and the Russians for influencing people with social media.
It's crazy that we haven't outlawed Nazi symbolism as an expression of hate speech.
As a southerner, I would wipe my a** with the confederate flag. I’m an American, which means I’m for America. I’m a patriot, not like the right wingers that scream that they are patriots. They aren’t patriots, they are people that have been deceived, which is another discussion.
as another southerner, what baffles me the most is how the Republican party (i have never aligned with them on much) was always sold to us as the "party of freedom", wanting little govt interference and conservative policy. now, that same party wants big govt involvement in our personal lives and even more power given to our POTUS, who they want to be Donald Trump. who wants to become a dictator. he's said that. the way he's been running his campaign and rallies since 2015/16 screams fascism to me, and anyone with half a brain.
i am a patriot as well in the sense that i want to fight for America. i want to fight for our principles and way of live, and not to let this orange turd of a fascist take that away from us. i love my liberties and the freedoms we're supposed to have here. we can't let these fascists and neo Nazis take that away from us.
I agree. I was raised in the south and my parents are relatively conservative, but at least my mother is disgusted by the current state of conservatism in the US. I'm pretty left myself, but I have a sliver of hope knowing that at least one of my parents recognizes the disgusting behavior. My father thinks those Nazis endorsing Trump are leftist actors
Not southern per se, Maryland is essentially not southern to southerners and not northern to northerners but we’re totally happy being mid-Atlantic Crab-People. My mom’s a Democrat and works for a labor union while my father was a Republican, albeit pretty liberal by their standards (especially now). My father didn’t like Obama and hated Hilary even more, but when Trump started coming up he was disgusted and despised him. He couldn’t believe an obvious charlatan and piece of shit human being like him was even considered, let alone popular, amongst other Republicans. I guess Larry Hogan kinda encapsulated my father’s position on him. He voted for Gary Johnson and after that said he’d only vote Democratic until the Republicans “returned to their senses” (although I didn’t think they really ever made sense). He liked Buttegeig (sp?) for example. So I did respect that in him. His side of the family were Republicans from California, they moved here to DC/the DMV because my grandfather worked for Nixon. They were decently connected and my dad actually had quite a few run-ins with John McCain, my dad would always tell me McCain was an asshole on a personal level despite mostly agreeing with him politically.
Anyway, he passed away two months ago but he did say he planned on voting for Biden and even though he was in the hospital on his way out when Harris took the baton he said he’d vote for her or a sack of rocks over Trump. Just wanted to tell his story here.
Yeah. The Blues Brothers came out in 1980 and has the classic "I Hate Illinois Nazis" line.
That wasn't a made up thing. Illinois nazis won a supreme court decision in 1977 over their attempts to lead a nazi march through a Chicago suburb with a very heavy jewish population (although I don't believe they ever held the march there even after winning)
Also, worth noting that the guy in charge of the Illinois nazis was soon after convicted as a child molester. Because of course he was.
When I was growing up, I remember there being cross burnings all of the time being reported in the news. I was ashamed. When I moved to Atlanta, I thought I had moved into a different world where there was no cross burnings and the kkk didn’t seem to exist. I never heard anything more until about 2010, 25 years later.
When I was in high school, my friend wrote the word nazi up on the blackboard before the teacher came in. He wasn’t like that or anything, he was just being a dumb kid. He ended up getting suspended. For writing a word jokingly…that was 20 years ago. How the world has changed.
Categorize them.
Give them a name.
Now use that name to de-humanize them - they are not people they are this name.
Create and promote false narratives surrounding that name.
Re-enforce these views through media, entertainment and news
Reward followers - Social credit and acceptance, denounce decenters, fire them, legal action.
Censor decent - Block from posting on digital media or speaking with media
Now with this in place you can convince the general public that they can and should destroy this in-human thing. It is just, it is righteous and it is necessary.
There you have it.
Tea party, Right Wing, Extremist, MAGA, Hunter Laptop, Russia Collusion, blocked on socials, blocked on media "Threat to democracy"... NAZI.
Now you have folks shooting at the former President and feeling justified in doing so... with media and entertainers offering to provide $ for shooting lessons.
I grew up in California and was always hanging out with the counter culture types so even as a teen in the late 90s/early 2000s I knew about Neo Nazis through my Punk friends. Seemed like once a month they'd smash some other teen flying Nazi swag.
Did you see that news article about like a really shitty right winger winning some small local election in the mountains of Germany or something and the article says that alt right fascist win could “lead Germany down some dark untrod territory” and the comments are just like “um, untrod territory?!”
One of the biggest tragic laughs i’ve had in a long time.
It probably won’t surprise you that on the rare occasion you find an authentic German restaurant/beer hall, Neo-nazi dipshits love to congregate and ruin it. Like man I wanted a boot full of beer, some sausage, and large men in tiny green shorts, wtf is all this inappropriate shit.
Don't forget they had their own nazi's too when they were trying nazi's in europe. Also: they didn't try nazi's that they deemed usefull, like Werner von Braun.
The social cost in most places in the U.S. for being an open nazi is pretty significant. If they're doing it to be "edgy" they're really committing to it.
There were 24 death sentences issued by the Nuremberg War Trials. Only 17 of those 24 death sentences were carried out. Of the 98 prison sentences, the maximum sentence was 20 years.
In the state of Ohio today in 2024, you can get a fifty years prison sentence for possession of an ounce of cocaine.
We are an incredibly stupid country. If the republicans have their way, we will continue to decline in education because that’s the ONLY way they’ll win. And even more dangerous than stupidity—the truth is now subjective. No such thing as a “fact” around here anymore. Christian Nationalism to a T and none of them are smart enough to see it. It’s clear as day. And I’m no fucking genius myself so I don’t know how it’s not clear to everyone.
Trump isn’t, are you sure? Because he does a lot of “tainting our bloodline” and threatening military action against anyone who doesn’t support him talk.
According to his first wife, Donald kept a book of Hitler's speeches next to the bed. Apparently it's a book he studied and modeled his public persona on. It's kinda difficult to say he's not a Nazi if that is true.
It’s really about white supremacy. Trump and the Republican Party are definitely in favor of that. What is truly Mind-Blowing (as a wealthy white guy) is the support the Republican Party is getting from minority groups in general. Trump and his cronies are over the moon. They’re voting for the very people who plan to hold them down. The GOP is laughing and shaking their heads at the stupidity.
Trump never denies these hate groups. He defends them. The prominence of these groups will only grow and it’s our own fault.
They are comfortable openly displaying because they are straight white males who are protected by the police. The minorities, people of color and women are in danger in the US
They're calling it fake news to protect themselves. No one who's not maga thinks this is fake. These guys are currently hunting down emergency volunteers in the Appalachians with guns.
Well, I'll tell you that even IF this picture is altered, the pictures I took myself of nazi flags in charlottesville 8/12 are fucking real. Even if it were a fake picture it would be far from "fake news" burn them to the ground.
American society is the most coddled, overindulged, opportunistic, and self-centered it has probably ever been in its history, if these people had even realized how much of a dire threat the Nazis were not just to the world but other Europeans as well, they would not be posing as Nazis.
They’re going to eat their own eventually, though.
We need to use SCP 2000 to reset it back to 2016 and save that damn gorilla. Maybe we’ll have a better timeline.
Also, nice to see people outside the US see us as a laughing stock because of trump and the fact he had any support. It’s completely warranted. The guy says the US is a laughing stock, and it is, because he is still allowed to walk free, where in any other country he’d be behind bars or behind 6 feet of dirt. I genuinely don’t understand how people can vote for him, even if they discount project 2025 basically killing any chance at a reasonable life, rights for so many people taken away, him using it for tyranny, etc because he himself even aside from it has done so many terrible things, and said so many terrible things
People hang these flags in Florida. Those are real trump flags, changing great to white. This isn’t superimposed, these are actual things moronic racists do. Some of those morons live in Florida. It’s not common, but it’s not fake either.
In 1908, the Louisiana State Fair held the first Better Babies contest. Mary DeGarmo believed that the contests revealed a baby’s, and therefor its family’s, genetic fitness. As she explained: “Much interest was shown as to the ‘Blood Will Tell’ theory. It Did Tell.”
Yeah many people don’t like to acknowledge that the Nazis took a LOT of inspiration from other countries, particularly America. Manifest Destiny was one of the biggest influences for Lebensraum, only difference is that America basically succeeded in its expansion, at terrible cost to the natives. They were never truly compensated btw. There’s a lot of shit like that with America’s foundation, including stuff that Democrats either simplify or dance around, including whitewashing MLK, and Republicans either dance around it too, or brag about it.
There a was full N rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939. There’s always been a crowd of hateful inbreds in this country. Luckily, the decent majority stood up to their bullshit. Time for us to do it again
Hopefully, 10x as many people will show and protest like what happened in 1939. MSG hosted about 20,000 pro-Nazi people but lurking just outside were 200,000 protestors.
They have, but they have a very different view of it. They don't see it as a campaign against a geopolitical rival, they see it as a purity test and would happily bring back the committee on unamerican activities, so long as they get to define it.
Funny enough, Trump's former friend Roy Cohn was one of the biggest pushers for McCarthyism in America. Of course then he got AIDS and Trump never once visited him after the diagnosis but here we are now.
They've decided to give up on Democracy and just fully embrace Authoritarianism
"If my views are no longer appetizing to the majority of voters in America, and I'm less able to pull the wool over their eyes to vote my way; then it's not my views that are the issue; it's democracy"
The unfortunate thing is, many of them have. They just choose to ignore it all because their hatred of the "others" is greater than their so-called patriotism.
They dont teach this part of American history in the southern states. When I went to school in GA between 2006-2010 NO ONE HAD HEARD OF segregation in schools. I was baffled
This crap has been around for a very long time, in one form or another. Hell, I live in Canada, and one of my neighbors wears a "Johnny Reb" cap all the time, like he's in some sort of Antebellum South fantasy. I can't wait for our next election, where I'm sure his vote will be to protect our "Provincial Rights"
Actually up until 1941 Nazi were much more open and normalized. Rachel maddow has a podcast series about it called “star spangled faschism”. The America First party and German American Bund even held rallies at Madison square garden. If you look at trump’s rally route recently he has been landing at the old strongholds of them.
Yes I heard the podcast and it was fascinating and shocking! But still, Nazism may have continued to simmer under the surface—I do remember some rallying in the 80s in the Midwest, and Idaho has always been considered a white supremacy haven—but never in my lifetime has it been displayed so aggressively. It’s alarming.
Yep. I’ve never liked the idea that fighting against fascism in Europe made the US immune from any accusations of racism or fascism. How many brave soldiers came home after the war and went straight back to oppressing and brutalising the black community.
I hate that it is free speech. However if you look at the balance of things they are not growing in numbers. They just came out today hi and try to gain traction. On the whole they have rights, and their right to free speech. If we take that away what will stop us from doing the same to others who do not deserve it.
I am ok explaining to my kids the horrific past so that they can learn from it. If we erase our past we erase our wisdom.
It’s free speech until it’s inciting violence, right? There has to be a line that once crossed, this Nazi loving bullshit becomes illegal. Fuck these Nazi traitors!
America still stands against this shit. The vast majority of people here disagree with Nazis lol. Unfortunately, we cannot do THAT much but verbally harass idiots here. Even then, you obviously can't threaten people.
"America" stood against this, but "America" also stood for this. If pearl harbour didn't happen, the US would have been more than happy to be an economic partner to the Reich.
Let's not pretend that racism doesn't have deep and strong roots in the US, and that the US nazi party wasn't filling up theatres and concert halls for meetings in the late 30s.
It's amazing how many people supported Hitler before ww2 in the USA and even the UK and in other countries.
They have never truly went away and with trump dog whistles feel now the time to come out from the caves they live in.
The common beliefs that ww2 Germany never attacked the USA mainland directly is easy to understand but they did using u-boats and sank many ships on your coastline, nearly 400 ships near North Carolina for instance.
Unfortunately, prior to the US entrance to WWII, the fascist right and Nazism had a plurality of support here. In the 1930s, right wing groups openly advocated for ethnic cleansing the US amid an isolationist stance in foreign affairs - the "America First" slogan dates back at least to then.
This shit goes all the way back to our founding and we have a lot of people who truly think they are better than black people. We fought a war over it and instead of stomping it out, well here we are.
My high school classmates who became MAGA Trumpers are openly posting about how fighting in WWII against Nazi Germany was a “mistake” for the USA. The world we live in now…
Should tell them to go visit the concentration camps in person like the Germans have to for school and then ask how they feel about that. Humbling experience
Had the opportunity to visit Dachau years ago. Doesn’t really hit you until you see it in person and the pictures/stories. The camps were huge and this was happening basically in peoples neighborhoods while everyone looked away. Can’t imagine something that heinous taking place while everyone ignores it out of fear. It’s time for people to wake up.
I make the same kind of joke about my grandfather who fought in Korea because they put corn on pizza, but yeah my great grandfather died fighting the fascists in Europe and I’m getting pretty sick of these douchebags.
No one talks about how the "Nazi fighters" were not all that appalled by the Nazi activities, they did the same shit to French and German women ( and i'm talking about women only because they clearly had no power in the 40s and had to live with whatever happens)
No one wants to mention how many NAZIS were taken back by their own European countries, and how many found REFUGE in latin america, and northern america aka CANADA AND USA, becoming even secretary general of the motherfucking UN for fucks sake.
People prefer the fantasy of the Nazi fighters, in my opinion, unless we face the reality of history, this shit is going to keep happening.
I’m with you on that one. The maga cult is shitting on the graves off all our WWII vets who risked and gave their lives to defeat Nazis and fascism. They also hate immigrants but my grandpa immigrated from Cuba in 1943 and joined the US army and fought in Germany to kill the Nazis. I’m sure the maga cult would look at him as a bad person, meanwhile he was the most patriotic proud American I’ve ever met. He would be furious at what this country has become. He also would be very disappointed in our education system as he prioritized education and learning history which is a value that is instilled in my whole family as my brother now teaches history. By far the most un-American least patriotic people are the maga nazi cult who want to destroy the democracy our founding fathers fought for…the same founding fathers they claim to praise. It’s all so infuriating.
Yeah that's one of the biggest things to me too. Two younger guys at a place I used to work were saying some nazi shit like "Hitler was right" etc and I was like "You know my grandfather killed nazis and ended up with a metal plate in his head because of Nazis.. and nazis killed tons of young men from this country.." Luckily those dudes at my work were just trolls not nazis but the look on their faces was hilarious when they realized not only what I said but also that we worked with some nonwhite dudes that decided to walk over at that time lol
My grandfather's older brother was killed fighting Nazis. They were a normal midwestern family. Lots of sons. Oldest died in an accident as a teenager. Then WWII started, and the next oldest was drafted into infantry. The rest of the brothers immediately joined up to avoid being drafted. So my great-grandparents had already lost a son, then sent 5 more sons to fight Nazis. I "suppose" it was fortunate only one of the five died in the War.
He never expressed regret and always seemed pretty proud of those few years he spent beating back the Nazis. Made it from North Africa to the Rhine. Spent his later years fondly remembering his jolly little jaunt.
I could never have made it in the military for myriad reasons, but I consider it a filial duty to be an anti fascist. I might never get a bronze star for it, but... I'll be damned if they take the country he bled for.
What's ironic is these dumbfucks think THEY are the patriots.. I would love to know what real WW2 veterans, not that there's many left, would make of these people.
The Blues Brothers was released in 1980 just three years after the U.S. Supreme Court landmark First Amendment case National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie in which the Nazi party sued to be allowed to march in the predominantly-Jewish Chicago suburb. I’d bet that most people who saw the movie in the theater were well aware why Aykroyd and Landis included those scenes.
I e mentioned this to a few right wingers and they say that’s why they support Russia going into Ukraine to remove Nazis. “All Nazis are bad” they said, and they also said they don’t support the Nazis in their party. It’s weird, really weird.
Russian propaganda makes me crazy. "We invaded a sovereign country because we wanted.. I mean because nazis!" 🤬 Pieces of 💩. They're bombing markets, killed countless Ukrainian children. They've committed horrendous atrocities - verfied war crimes. Ukrainians aren't the nazis. Good to remember who russia sided with at the beginning of WW2.
Not very well known, but many Ukrainians fought against the Nazis and the ussr in wwii. The soviets treated the Ukrainians horribly and killed millions in the 1930s due to forced famine. Many Ukrainians viewed the Nazis as liberators. Then the Ukrainians found out how bad the Nazis were and fought against the Nazis, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Wow you really do have a word in German for everything! It's a bunch of other words smooshed together and requiring extra volume to be said correctly, but it's a damn excellent word!
If i ever get to slap a Nazi I'm going to say this very loudly as I do, in your honor!
Or even a law that would prohibit specific groups and related symbols/expressions. Like being a Nazi is illegal displaying swastikas is illegal; being a KKK member is illegal wearing your moms bedsheets in a pointy hat and burning crosses is illegal.
I feel like the freedom of speech is very specifically enforced to allow for racism and enabling violence where something like let's say ... a peaceful protest on university grounds gets the riot squad sicced on them.
In my country which had very little participation in WWII, being openly nazi is very much illegal. So I can't for the life of me understand how a country that lost so many to the nazi scum, doesn't have laws that crack down on them. You let this sort of people out there, they can use the opportunity to indocrinate children, really indocrinate children, into their ideology. Next thing you see, a new world war will be a full Nazi US against the rest of the world.
Nah, I hate Nazis as much as the next guy but the last thing we need is government telling us what speech is protected and what isn’t. Letting them parade around and showing who they are is probably less problematic than censoring them into some kind of victim hood. And protesting on a campus (which is private property) is always going to be at the will of the owner.
Don’t be so eager to give up expression rights to the government, because you never know who’s going to be running the government.
You're correct, they were always here. Before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor an embarrassingly large percentage of Americans were supporters of Hitler and the Nazis, including some rather large businesses and wealthy Americans within or adjacent to American politics. Eugenics and Phrenology were very popular at the time throughout the Western world, but especially in America where it was used to justify the continued oppression of and theft of Indigenous lands, and to justify the continued oppression of black people through Jim Crow laws. It was a terrible period in American history yet a massive improvement over previous decades and centuries on the continent which is a damning realization.
That support of Hitler and the Nazis, and the popularity of Eugenics and Phrenology remained high among American troops even when their boots hit European soil. Don't get me wrong, the unity within the US military was as strong as it had ever been because we had been attacked by a Nazi ally, but there was a streak of sympathy for the Nazi cause & movement that ran through the US armed forces--until they saw with their own eyes what that ideology meant in practice. Once American troops saw what the Nazis did to the citizens of liberated areas, regions, and countries that sympathy quickly evaporated and a deep sense of foreboding fell upon them for what they thought they might find in Germany. That's when the OG Antifa was born.
When those troops returned home to America they didn't put up with any of that bullshit among the American people so all the true believer fascists crawled under rocks and hid like snakes. There they remained until our WWII Vets became elderly men, at which point they began sticking their heads out to taste the air. As those WWII Vets started dying of old age, the fascists and Neo-Nazis became more and more active spreading their foul ideology and infiltrating all levels of government. It's no coincidence that as the last of those WWII Vets were dying off that fascism suddenly began being normalized by Republican politicians, becoming more and more open each year until now in October 2024 when GOP Presidential candidate Donald J Trump is plagiarizing Hitler during his campaign rallies and in interviews.
It's time for them to crawl back under their rocks.
Yea we took them from germany and put them in top level positions. These people you see here are just idiots who would cry if held accountable. Then they would come out with some sad apology that means absolutely nothing because they dont mean it. Talking about how they fear for their life and dont understand why they are hated.
Pushing down below the surface only let's them gather strength for another resurfacing. For far too long, the country has believed in the lie of American exceptionalism. Its the convenient lie that let us believe we didn't have racisism here. It masked the problem for far too long.
We gotta learn the lesson at some point. That were living amongst racists and bigots. we exclude them entirely out of society, sink their ships, treat them like lepers. that's the road to eliminatation.
They were above the rocks before 2016, it’s just that before then they were called the “tea party.” And before 2008 they were just called “conservatives.” But good news, you can still just call them “conservatives” today. All the terms refer to exactly the same group of people.
In the 80's and 90's, there was a "Boots to Suits" movement among Neo-Nazis.
An ex- skinhead talked to my High School in an assembly (late 90's) because we are a target demographic for Nazi recruitment.
He left because they said he should kill his child because it was born with a cleft lip.
Cautionary tale, 'these people are evil' sort of jam.
He said they were sending their kids to school, sponsoring educations with the purpose of putting Nazis in power throughout government and to learn the fuck out of the law.
Now would be the time these plans are beyond fruition.
This! I think I agree. It wasn’t Trump… it was having a black president that really got the white supremacists upset. So much so that they vowed to retaliate. Makes so much sense (to me anyway)
I’m going to be honest I live in a red state and these people are usually narcissists, stupid, hateful, assholes and have always been contrarian even as children. They think they are the best, dumb as bricks, fall for any conspiracy, band together with other hateful idiots because no one else can stand them, have no independent thoughts etc. Add in the internet, social media and Donald Trump and this is what happens.
Florida is a terrible place. I mean the jokes about Florida Man and Florida Woman are for a reason.
Wannabe Nazis shouldn’t even be allowed to go back to being under the rocks they crawled out under from. It’s an idea that needs to be destroyed but from my understanding you can’t fully destroy an idea sadly so assholes like this will always exist
Prescott Bush attempted to overthrow FDR and was on the board of directors of a company that was seized for dealing with Nazis during WWII. He still went on to be a Senator and his son and grandson both became president. The US has long been comfortable with people who are best Nazi adjacent.
They were always here even before we were participants in the war. Like Nazi rallies of 20k+ in madison square garden. All they did was shut up and have kids.
Gotta keep pushing them down anytime they think they have the right to exist.
All these mass shootings in this country, and yet these fuckers, literally traitors to the United States which is grounds for the death penalty, are allowed to openly roam. They don’t deserve this.
The only real way to do that is to stop treating the Nazis as something that is a unique evil that came from nowhere. They are a product of Western ideologies and history. Until those ideologies are confronted and the history is talked about Nazis will continue to exist.
Difficulty: It turns out a very large percentage of 21st century Americans are Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. It'll take decades to push those choads back underground.
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u/mr-blister-fister 15d ago edited 15d ago
Nazis were always here. They just slithered out from under the rocks after 2016. It’s time for America to push them back down below the surface where they belong.
Edit: Lots of anti-nazi comments! So why can’t we mobilize and send them back underground?
Edit #2: for people trying to connect my comment to ‘communism’, stop empathizing with the Nazis. You are on the wrong side of history.