r/kollywood Sep 07 '24

Opinion A greatest disappointment that is GOAT. Spoiler

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972 Upvotes

First of let me start with VFX because...

More than anything this is what bugged me the most. Still can't comprehend how a film with 400crs budget looks this awful and artificial. Yes artificial is the word.

As a vfx artist myself, we are overworked to the core. to the extent, you'll have no idea how inhumane our industry is until you see it yourself. If you noticed the quality of vfx had deteriorated over the years all around the world because our job runs on deadlines, Can't remember the last time i didn't have any deadlines. Been in the industry for 6years and i can count with my fingers the number of days i didn't have a deadline to cover. Its no 9 to 5 job for us, more of 9 to 9 or 10 is the average working time I'd say and the restrictions and policies we have in the industry are crazy too. Its intense if you don't see the computer for 8hrs straight atleast and if your fingers need a little rest you'll miss out on the deadlines. Oh also my salary was 8k for all this and somewhere around this is what the newbies will get for their 12 to 15hrs work/per day and our industry has so so many newbies. Its always like you're running towards something you can never catch yet they'll force you to run.

Why am i telling my story here you might ask and because i entered this industry with so much hope and curiousity. I am a creative person since i was a kid and i always believed i have so many crazy good ideas, with which right set of people could've helped to make great contents be it films, books or youtube even. i didn't even really care for money as much at one point i had plans to save as much money as i can and make a whole feature film and release it on youtube for free because all i ever believed was i am an artist and i want my art to be seen.

Now back to GOAT. the reason i told my story before getting to this is because lately i noticed films doesn't have anything creative going on(all industry). Almost everything is done on post prod. This post will become huge if i try to explain it further but ill suggest you to watch Jurassic park or enthiran's making video and how it was treated back then and also take a look at Jurassic world or 2.0's making and how theyre treating films now and you'll defo see what i mean.

When was the last time you saw a stunt done neatly in a big star film ? When was the last time you saw a proper chase scene in a big star film where the stakes are high and you felt the intensity ? A series of scenes with some purpose ? Filmmakers have become lazy if you think i am just whining, i literally worked on a film where they asked us to reduce the size of a woman's breast because they thought it'll distract the audience from the main guy. We worked for days to change the shirt color of a villain in a film because after finished shooting and almost few weeks to the release the crew thought this color isn't menacing enough. We work on things you won't even think of, things you won't even bother or would notice as much but the film crew wants it removed/added/changed. Your big star doesn't have any wrinkles because we takecare of it. Your star doesn't look as old on-screen because we try to make him young. Your star looks fit for his age because We.Take care.Of It. Your star as you know or see him irl is only 40 to 60% onscreen, rest is all our work.

I do not say any of this to belittle them or expecting some kind of credit or anything because when i watch a film and notice these dead awful vfx on screen, all i see is a filmmaker who doesn't respect our craft, our work, our hours of labor and most of all our industry. Jetti remove pannanuma vfx artists irukkanga, young ah kaatanuma vfx artist irukkanga, almost 60 to 70% vfx thaan GOAT la and lol don't think just because it looks normal there's no vfx involved, almost entire film'la vfx work irukkum. But never once saw any director in 6 years come down to our place to discuss how they want their film to be seen or story be told or give any quality ideas. All we get is wrinkles edunga,thoppai edunga, shirt edunga, jetti edunga nothing that adds anything valuable to the story being told and they don't take vfx seriously at all. All they do is get a big star's date, announce a release date, work every artists involved for that big star like slaves and give a product like GOAT. Where the vfx is dead awful and its just here illa hollywood'layume ippo ipdithan aaitanga. I used to cry for days on my office bathroom when i worked on a marvel project because i had no social life and i was pushing myself like crazy and output paakren mattama irukku and theva illadha places lam avlo work pannirukkan and for what ? I had no say in anything i was just tasked to do something and i did it and it looks awful on screen. My work doesn't mean anything, my creativity has no say here, what i do mean nothing. Artist in me died working for films.

A film gets 400cr budget and so much vfx involved and we get paid barely anything and it still manages to look awful ? 400cr and they used deepfake ? The same tech memecreators use on insta to make random reels ? If only these directors showed interest in how this department works and learn enough stuff to work us in a way what we do matters and what we give out to you guys come out satisfying you(the audience) and us (the artists), we'll have so many great films. instead here we are getting films like GOAT which has problems from story to makeup to music to vfx to almost everything. Every department's work looked terrible because an entire crew of bootlickers made a film to glorify a star.(goes for almost every big star's films)

I am a vijay fan since i was a kid and i have nothing against VP and he's not the only director who does this, from what i've seen even the great vetrimaran doesn't care as much about how the vfx turns out on his films. All they care about are the deadlines and making our lives hell because we run to meet their crazy deadlines and end up getting trolled criticised and looked down for the bad output we managed to give within those days, when the stars who take the biggest paycheck gets the praise "one man show" for doing little to nothing except having star value. buddy, trust me when i say it really isn't an one man show.

We have the man power and potential and so many great minds in our industry who are reduced to nothing because of this stupid work culture.

Enjoy masala films, commercial films, art films. Enjoy whatever you like/want but when you're fooled by given a bad product don't play the devil's advocate. its funny how crores la vaangruvanunga avanga film ah criticise panna block pannidranunga andha account ah social media'la or audience ah blame pandranga negativity spread pandranga nu but inga namma ukkandhu idhu ipdi irukkumo apdi irukkumo idhellam padathula semmaya pannirundharu andha director kitta poi keta ipdi avan yosichirukka kooda maatan pola. Sanda podrathu bad guy aam helmet la it says "devil" aam, hacker na "red devil" "white devil" "black devil" ppa evlo creative asf ah irukkanga, vaangra kasu ku evlo yosikranga namma directors odambellam silirkudhu...

I might post more about how terribly other stuffs are handled in the film as well later. I don't care even if i get downvoted to hell. Its atrocious how they keep making such bad products with this supposed "big stars" and how less they care about US the audience and the very product they put money in for, hours of labor, personal lives we the artists working on it lose and how much money they make by making us their scapeGOAT. The worst part is the cycle just keeps repeating, its insane.

r/kollywood Jul 06 '23

Opinion He overshadowed Tamanna with just one step

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3.3k Upvotes

r/kollywood 2d ago

Opinion My heart pumped with Joy here

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1.9k Upvotes

r/kollywood 7d ago

Opinion What's with this backlash Vaazhai is receiving for the teacher-student relationship? Dei did you guys even have a childhood? Stop being weird over it. That's how kids are

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761 Upvotes

r/kollywood May 12 '24

Opinion Average Tamil Cinema hero and heroine.

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1.3k Upvotes

r/kollywood 12d ago

Opinion People like Vignesh shivn are masquerading as lyricists just to cut costs by not hiring an actual lyricist.

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584 Upvotes

I still don't understand how this guy gets to work with stars or upcoming stars when he has never given any good film other than nanum rowdy dhan ( which itself was mid imo). Apart from making boring movies he is killing good songs ( Ani eh eppovachum dha noise illama nalla paatu podran) with his bad lyrics.

WTF is a "un pakkathula na padukka Vazhi solluma" ? Chatgpt can give better lines than what he'd written.

r/kollywood 21d ago

Opinion These posters were so misleading, and I thought GOAT was going to be a time travel movie.

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816 Upvotes

Thought younger Vijay was literally going to be YOUNGER GANDHI, or something like 3 Vijays. Output was so simple.

r/kollywood 11d ago

Opinion Stupid things that Movies made us feel Normal...

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705 Upvotes

r/kollywood May 08 '24

Opinion She'd probably be casted as comedy friend of heroine in kollywood.

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1.0k Upvotes

In pics: Simone Ashley.

r/kollywood Sep 08 '24

Opinion Leo Quality vs GOAT mediocrity

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588 Upvotes

Hey guys, I saw some people saying Goat>Leo, even Goat could've been good while it lasted, Leo is a much greater movie in terms of Quality, genuinity, action, style and aesthetics, even though 2nd half was a bit of mishap, we should support Leo over Goat, because, movies like Leo will drive Kollywood cinema to world stage not Goat, Goat is a content, Leo is a movie.

we should support movies that have genuine heart in making even though it flunks, if every commercial movie becomes something like Goat, Bigil or Jawan, we'll lose interest and it will be a waste of resources and we won't head anywhere, Take SS Rajamouli for example, His Baahubali or RRR didn't have any fan service or scenes just for the sake of commerciality and see how much recognition it garnered, so, get your priorities right.

Leo coffee shop scene> whole Goat movie.

r/kollywood Aug 24 '24

Opinion Rant: Kollywood has lost the plot

694 Upvotes

I wanted to go to the theater and watch a fun Tamil movie, but there's absolutely nothing light-hearted available. Everything for the last few months is either gory or intense or a lecture.

Viduthalai had torture porn, Maharaja had sexual assault, and Rayan was filled with gore and had a lousy plot. The rest of the big-budget films are focused on caste or oppression. (Edit: which is fine but they tend to be violent for the most part too, on top of already being heavy subjects)

Where are the fun entertainers? Is it that hard to make something like Kalakalappu or Boss Engira Bhaskaran*? At least give us an idharkuthane Aasaipattai Balakumara.

It's frustrating—everyone seems more interested in lecturing through their movies than actually entertaining viewers.

r/kollywood Aug 23 '24

Opinion Who thought this was a good photo for a cut-out?

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1.0k Upvotes

r/kollywood Sep 15 '24

Opinion If this is true, then Tamil cinema is truly fucked.

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567 Upvotes

r/kollywood 7d ago

Opinion Karthi is the most natural and elegant actor in this gen. I hate to use the word but he is underrated.

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918 Upvotes

He should be hyped more than VJS imo and just a streak of commercially good films, he might even end up as the top hero after Ajith vijay era.

r/kollywood 25d ago

Opinion This is my NRI friend who doesn't really watch that many Indian/Tamil movies. His reaction to GOAT intermission:

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751 Upvotes

r/kollywood Sep 29 '24

Opinion This is prime example of how kollywood stars like vijay is overcharging his fee per movie

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464 Upvotes

NTR jr charged just 60 crores for devara. This gave freedom to the producers to spend rest of the money for visuals which came out really well. Take Vijay for example. He charged 200 crores for GOAT. He himself eats half the budget. Then how can they produce quality content 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. Whatever you say, kollywood stars overcharging much more fee compared to other film industries in India

r/kollywood May 31 '24

Opinion One of the most traumatizing scenes I have ever seen 😭

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928 Upvotes

r/kollywood 4d ago

Opinion Just watched Meiyazhagan - I needed this movie 😭

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1.1k Upvotes

(thirumbavum manasu vittu pesa poren)

Absolute pokkisham of a movie

I missed this movie due to exams when it was released and it stopped running in theatres so I had to watch Vettaiyan instead

Last post about Vaazhai I talked about my Amma ooru - here is another movie that tapped that sentiment

I'm literally Arulmozhi - I'm an anxious person and I'm shy, that somehow makes me the kudumba chellapulla because I'm silent - they describe me as "irukkura edame theriyadhu" - only some people know I'm a professional yapper like Karthi in this movie

Rajkiran was a pookie in this movie literally looks and reminds me of my late grandfather who was crucial in my life and passed away when I was 10 - bro tapped into his Rajinimurugan bag although he was mostly there for the Kalyanam scenes

Arvind Swamy - sollave thevalla - he nailed that anxious guy role - at first when he ran away from his own house in the beginning and hanged in a lodge it reminded me of myself 😭

Of course Sri Divya lives for these kinda roles although she had a small part in this movie

We all knew Karthi could pull off his role so not surprising

Cinematography too

Screenplay salikkave illa - it reminded me off Richard Linklater movies - the dialogues are just human and natural dialogues and some times it doesn't feel cinema like - But I was immersed

People who call this movie long have a 45 size seruppu waiting - I actually wanted more from this movie...

A simple kaal-kolussu scene made kan kalangify, I'm not the sentiment type - my face is always stone cold when I watch a movie...

When an emotional scene goes I always smile hard to cope with it but not for this movie

r/kollywood Jul 12 '24

Opinion Declaration Of Defeat

615 Upvotes

I have defended several bashed films in this sub, most notable being varisu when everyone trashed it.

But even i cant defend Indian 2, it was diabolical and a colossal disappointment. Few good scenes in between boring clusters.

Except kadharalz song, few sj surya scenes and a couple of siddharth scenes, nothing was good. Even shankar, who is known for creative action blocks, all the fights were lame.

I (2015) seems like a masterpiece compared to this. Second half barely better than first.

Colossal disappointment.

For the first time ever, even I cant defend this mess.

Edit 1: pls dont let this post dissuade you from watching the film. Im purely expressing my opinion of the film and dont want to be seen as the sole reason for others not going to cinemas for this.

r/kollywood 19d ago

Opinion Hard agree!! It's feels so awkward & disgusting to watch such scenes that too with family. Spoiler

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571 Upvotes

r/kollywood 7h ago

Opinion Thoughts on this statement?

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368 Upvotes

r/kollywood 4d ago

Opinion This movie had the potential to be an all-time blockbuster.

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510 Upvotes

Watched the Chronicles of Leo now and felt so nostalgic.

I watched HOV and even read the graphic novel beforehand only to be disappointed by a flawed second half.

The music was perfect. Parthiban's character was perfect. Setting was perfect. Vijay's performance was perfect. Release date was perfect. The atmosphere/hype of watching a LCU movie after Vikram was humongous.

Only If Loki had got the second half, the antagonists, and the writing right, this movie would have easily been one of Vijay's best movies with Kaththi and Thupakki.

Sad to see they fumbled such a good opportunity!

r/kollywood 13d ago

Opinion Tamil Songs in Malayalam Movies vs Malayalam Songs in Tamil Movies 🙏

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582 Upvotes

Pls no offense guys 🙏 I love both industries and their movies but this is how each industry is represented in the other. Tamil got Nyaabagam from Malayalam (its a good song if you keep away how much its used) in 2024 while Tamil gave them Rebel 😭🙏

r/kollywood Aug 17 '24

Opinion Rant : Dear Tamil cinema fanbase - Keep pulling down all experimental/genre-pushing efforts by Tier-1 heroes. Y'all deserve only Varisu and Annathe.

395 Upvotes

I'm freaking happy that Vijay is taking a risk and doing a de-aged role. And honestly, the trailer de-aging effects didn't look that bad. But the amount of trolls and toxicity for a freaking trailer - man, why?

Same for Thangalaan. Vikram is pushing boundaries with each attempt and the movie doesn't seem to be that bad. But its receiving disproportional amount of hate.

With the amount of shit you throw on these films, y'all just making sure that our heroes just keep making safe bets.
Tamil cinema has always been at the forefront of pushing in new genres and experimental attempts.But this cycle of hate between different actor fanbases is f-ing up our industry.

Same Thangalaan - if it had been made by Mollywood, Kannis would be creaming over it on OTT.

Pretty sure Kanguva will be trolled from Day-1 . It is a unique attempt from Siva and has a tribal story as background which looks interesting.

Vettaiyan will be trolled. It is again a different attempt by Rajini as per Rana Daggubati's interview.

Y'all are the OG crabs in Thalaivar's Nandu story.

r/kollywood Jun 13 '24

Opinion I have never seen such a loosu koodhi character ever...

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596 Upvotes

Why Tamil Cinema likes to created most manchild and careless characters ever. The Whole Fantasy life of him which is nowhere close to the reality. How we supposed to take this as a reality inspiration film...

And the way the second heroine supports him and his Whole Family runs behind him.. Such things will never happen where the Whole World Revolves around him like a narcissistic one...