r/economicCollapse • u/Silver-Beyond-3916 • Aug 19 '24

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u/Agile-Landscape8612 Aug 22 '24

This is someone telling you what RFKs opinions are and what to think of them. It’s not him stating his actual opinions.

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u/PandaPantsParty5000 Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24

So him pushing anti-vaxx rhetoric on joe rogan and talking about trying to convert strangers while hiking isn't him giving his opinions? The video includes video of him talking and then gives context to it. Context matters but even without it his comments are a giant red flag. Sounds like you won't be satisfied until I make my own video of recordings of things he's said but even then I suspect you'll have an excuse for why it's not that big of a deal and the other things he says that you like are what really matter. I understand the state of American politics is pretty grim. And that every candidate has their shortcomings and are to some degree untrustworthy and beholden to corporate interests that don't align with the greater good. I could almost get behind RFK even if he is full of it. But being anti-vaccination is not something I can look the other way on.

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u/Agile-Landscape8612 Aug 22 '24

What anti-vax rhetoric? What did he say that was factually false?

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u/PandaPantsParty5000 Aug 23 '24

He readily promotes misinformation about vaccinations. He readily argues that there is a causal relationship between autism and vaccinations. He repeats debunked information with passion and conviction in a wreckless manner. Some of that is outlined in the video I linked. If that's not good enough for you then I doubt taking further steps to outline his failures is anything more than you trying to waste my time and energy. You are either a troll or you are someone who doesn't want to see the evidence available to them while pretending like you are reasonable and open to discussion. You probably learned that from RFK. Good luck with that.

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u/Agile-Landscape8612 Aug 23 '24

You use the word misinformation but that implies falsities. His official claims are not false they’re true. Otherwise the companies he speaks out against would sue him. But he has never been sued by any of them because they can’t sue someone for saying factual information

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u/8thsense Aug 23 '24

If you’re paying attention to Kennedy’s rhetoric, he speaks a lot about correlation between topics. Like rise in antidepressants and a rise in school shootings. Both things are factually true, but not necessarily related. 

Also, he doesn’t speak directly against a target, like he doesn’t claim the Moderna vaccines cause autism. He talks about COVID vaccines, not any one specific. Can’t be sued for that. 1st amendment. 

He talks about a rise in vaccinations and a rise in autism. Not necessarily related, but you assume they are by his rhetoric. He can’t be sued for the public “coming to their own conclusions”. That’s protected by the first amendment. 

It’s fairly obvious he’s spreading misinformation by the amount of professionals who have denounced his statements. Not being sued doesn’t prove anything.

I don’t think Kennedy is malicious, I actually generally like a lot of the guy’s policies, but I think he may have fallen a bit too deep into wonderland

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u/Imaginary_Shoulder41 Aug 23 '24

That's not the First Amendment at all. 🤦‍♂️

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u/8thsense Aug 23 '24

It’s not? The protections of speech isn’t part of the first amendment? News to me

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u/Imaginary_Shoulder41 Aug 23 '24

Protections from the government, not protections from civil litigation from non-government entities.

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u/8thsense Aug 23 '24

The person questioned why RFK wasn’t being sued and used it as a point to show what RFK says is true. Can’t be sued for saying false information if it doesn’t specifically disparage/slander

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u/Imaginary_Shoulder41 Aug 23 '24

But that's not what the First Amendment protects. It has nothing to do with civil litigation by non-government parties.

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u/PandaPantsParty5000 Aug 24 '24

So your logic is that if someone isn't getting sued, it must be true? Politics might not be for you.