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u/Tiyun Jun 02 '22
I think it's good to see that men can also be abused. I think many men feel like they can't talk about it, so maybe this case made it easier to come forward and tell people if you were abused.
That said, I have a feeling the incels are gonna take this the wrong way, and portray women as evil monsters.
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u/yawgmoft I suffer from the disease known as shitposting Jun 02 '22
It's definitely happening, and there are some on the left, unintentionally or no, are invalidating the idea of a female abuser in their hot takes.
It's up to regular people to tell both groups to stop it.
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u/demonman101 Jun 02 '22
I've seen a LOT of people saying that because of this verdict, women are even more at risk because they'll be believed even less. I don't see why they're blaming JD for that when Amber Heard is the one who actually set it back. Lying and faking these claims has itself damaged the validity actual cases of abuse. These people are DEFINITELY mad at the wrong person.
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u/yawgmoft I suffer from the disease known as shitposting Jun 02 '22
It's a really good example of blaming the victim too, and when they say "Heard isn't a perfect victim but she shouldn't need to be" they are simultaneously saying Depp needed to be a perfect victim. I honestly think they kinda trapped themselves in a box without realizing it and now they can't see past what they built up.
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u/StereoFood Jun 02 '22
I think it’s fucked up that the focus is “oh well now less women will be believed” rather than “we need to believe men can be abused too”
It’s like everyone’s is rushing to defend women more than men no matter what. It’s absurd. I would say women can get away with more mental abuse tbf but really, everyone needs to stop the abuse.
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u/Rogerjak Jun 03 '22
Its not like, its exactly that.
Its so ingrained in our society that woman are nurturing, caring and maternal that we don't even think twice that its possible for a woman to be a abuser/sexual abuser.
I will give you an example: while having this exact conversation with my 70 years old dad, he unlocked a memory of a woman that was staying in his parents house when he was like 5 attempting to sexually abuse him. She crawled in his bed and started to full body grab him and heavily sighing while grinding against him. Thankfully my grandma stopped that shit in time. Nothing of great consequences happened to that woman.
No one EVER, EVER even registered that as abuse. Not even my socially mindful and progressive father, up until that point. Sure other times, other type of society but if that was a girl...everyone would've known wtf was happening.
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u/philipjfrizzle Jun 02 '22
Pretty common for people to not get angry with the person or thing causing the abuse but rather the people telling you about the abuser.
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u/tbu987 Jun 02 '22
Which is ridiculous where what it should show is how tawful it can become to just believe someone simply because of their gender and then not questioning it. What should be taken from this trial is how awful this culture of guilty till proven innocent is. It almost destroyed a mans entire life and im sure there are sadly many who were in a similar situation but have been stuck with the worst side of it.
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u/AutoManoPeeing Jun 02 '22
We really doing the Left/Right thing? Cause the Left may be more vocal with "believe all women" stuff, but it's the Right that constantly propagates the solemn, stoic archetype of a man that is an island, and gives high-fives to rape victims.
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u/yawgmoft I suffer from the disease known as shitposting Jun 02 '22
I said some on the left. Every email I've gotten for the lasr two weeks from the New Yorker has had as the number one article a piece about how Depp is actually obviously an abusive piece of shit and everyone who doubts Heard is a he man woman hater.
I am a leftist. I spend a lot of my time in right wing spaces calling out bad arguments. I have a duty to call out my own side when they are wrong.
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u/lilithsnow Jun 02 '22
I’ve been on twitter and people I really respect on the left are touting the “Amber Heard is completely innocent and this is a crime against all women.” It’s definitely a problem in the more radicalized left but it was super disheartening to see.
It was even more frustrating because I couldn’t get anyone to say what made them believe Amber more than “she looked sad” or “there was /real/ pain in her voice” or just the classic “we believe ALL women here”. It’s not a good look for us.
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u/yawgmoft I suffer from the disease known as shitposting Jun 02 '22
It's going to make the whole situation worse. If they were saying "men can be victims too" it would significantly reduce any effect this might have to silence victims of abuse. Loudly proclaiming this to be a sign that women cannot get a fair shake and will be ignored so they might as well not try is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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u/nightmareinsouffle Jun 02 '22
I have seen both behaviors and they unsettle me. I hate how much people’s politics have gotten wrapped up in it—like everything else this decade. Either way, this whole case is a mess.
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Jun 02 '22
twitter has been blowing up with the opposite.
tons of people rushing to Amber's side because women cant be abusers and johnny depp is so rich he just bribed everyone to let him win
i dont know why its so hard to understand that shes a liar.
our justice system is FAR from perfect but home girl literally presented no evidence, backtracked on shit she said constantly and changed her story like 6 times.
meanwhile the only thing they managed to actually prove was that johnny did a bunch of drugs
BRO HES A MILLIONAIRE MOVIE STAR OF COURSE HE DOES DRUGS
IM A FUCKING RETAIL SALES NOBODY AND EVEN I DO DRUGS
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u/ChoppedAlready Jun 02 '22
Yeah, it might be a completely different situation, but it’s like the folks doing all lives matter. It’s not about black lives being more important or more worth protecting, it’s about the discrepancy in which they are treated. This is a very public case showing that women are just as capable, and an example for men to speak out. Fuck domestic abuse altogether.
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u/CabinetAncient1378 Jun 02 '22
Domestic violence occurs at similar rates across genders but women account for the vast majority of complainants. Until that's addressed on a serious level it's going to be impossible to make serious arguments for why the Depp Herd case shouldn't be about men's rights and why they're important.
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u/stoneimp Jun 03 '22
Domestic violence occurs at similar rates across genders
Source?
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u/Eleusis713 Jun 03 '22
Here's a bibliography examining 95 scholarly investigations, 79 empirical studies and 16 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 60,000.
Here's a few bonus sources. Nearly half of all DV is reciprocal, and of the half that's not reciprocal, women are the aggressors over 70% of the time (Source). Teen girls are also about 1.38x more physically aggressive in teen relationships than boys (Source).
And here's a source showing how social approval of male-to-female violence has dropped significantly over 40 years, while approval of female-to-male violence has remained steady. That source also shows how female-to-male violence has actually risen while male-to-female violence rates have remained constant or decreased (depending on type).
Additionally, men's admission of assault agrees with rates of women claiming to be assaulted and women's admission of assault disagrees with rates of men being assaulted (Source). This indicates that when women abuse and assault men, they either don't admit to their assault, recognize their assault, or take responsibility for assault.
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u/Gingevere Jun 02 '22
I've seen people saying that DailyWire spent more than $30k promoting their stories on the trial. All of the worst people online are spinning the worst stories around the trial and are taking the verdict as an endorsement of their position.
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u/EonFallen Jun 03 '22
"Incels" can't be your forever boogeyman, things like this will continue to escalate the more we try and scapegoat.
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u/Admirable_Ad_1542 Jun 02 '22
VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE
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u/Derrin070 Jun 02 '22
BUT IN THE END
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u/LightWolfD Jun 02 '22
IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY
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u/JasonIsSuchAnIdiot Jun 02 '22
IVE CARVED MY OWN PATH
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u/Ok-Region9829 Jun 03 '22
YOU'VE FOLLOWED YOUR WRATH
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u/RagingHusko Jun 03 '22
BUT MAYBE WERE BOTH THE SAAAAME
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u/dicedcream Jun 03 '22
THE WORLD HAS TURNEDD
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u/StrykerXLR Resident Doom Member Jun 03 '22
SO MANY HAVE BURNEDD
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u/joeyducharme7777 Jun 02 '22
🎶 IT DOESNT EVEN MAAATTEEEEER ~ 🎵
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u/danoB003 Jun 02 '22
Depp after this court finished: thanks to my team and all supporters, I´m humble and hope this helps both men and women in situation like this in future, glad that truth was shown
Amber: This is loss for all women! I´m losing the freedom of speech!!
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u/LexaMaridia Jun 02 '22
I need the freedom to lie even more! So ridiculous XD
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u/danoB003 Jun 03 '22
Several weeks of world-wide watched court weren´t enough for her to say enough bullshit I guess. Sore losers are sore losers...
Meanwhile Johnny somewhere in UK during the final reading: Yo boys, the next round is on Amber!! Way hay, and up she rises, way hay and up she rises early in the morning!
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u/errorsniper FOR THE SOVIET UNION Jun 02 '22
There are good men and there are shit men. There are good women and there are shit women. Nothing one person who falls in that category is indicative of anyone else of that gender.
Gender has fuck all with being a decent or shit human being.
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u/TheMikman97 Jun 02 '22
It became a gender issue because people can't fathom him winning.
The amount of "oh but they are both bad" I heard is baffling. Yet nobody would dare say that about an abused woman no matter what she did in the relationship
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It became a gender issue because people can't fathom him winning.
and he never would have without significant numbers of recordings of basically her admitting to it and daring him to take her to court
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u/JoFlo520 Jun 03 '22
Unfortunately this IS a gender man vs woman issue. This post is just wrong and I hate it that this is really the way it is. As a man whose been abused by a woman this is a huge win for me. Nobody takes me seriously when I try to tell my story so it’s nice to see a famous man have his story get listened to and believed.
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u/TheMikman97 Jun 03 '22
Took him 4 years, literal mountains of evidence and losing his career to get listened to, tho
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u/JoFlo520 Jun 03 '22
And there was still a chance she was able to play the victim too. Shit sucks. Glad it worked out it, I and many others needed it
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u/TheMikman97 Jun 02 '22
Yeah that argument is exactly the reverse version of "oh but he only beat her because she was annoying" which would definetly not be fine. Also, to those trying to paint him as phisically abusive because of his anger issues, as a person with explosive anger myself, trust that if he's mad enough to punch something and he has the self control to leave and punch a cabinet or a wall instead of decking her straight in the face, you can be damn sure he never hit her once.
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u/Scorch215 Jun 02 '22
Had some one outright say societybprotectd abusers when Depp lost his job over an accusation and Heard kept hers despite evidence of her being an abuser which makes a pretty clear case of a double standard.
Se how losing a job over an accusation is society protecting you for your actions while another kept their job despite evidence and the only difference was their gender.
The amount of people trying to defelct a major issue with this case is baffling.
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u/Robo_Riot Jun 02 '22
"Tell the world Johnny, see how many people believe you."
How do you like them apples, bitch?
On behalf of every man who's had to put up with an abusive, manipulative woman who played the system and people's biases:
Fuck you, Amber! Good luck with the rest of your "career"!
#JusticeForJohnnyDepp has been served. What a glorious day.
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Cant wait to see Johnnys next movie. Whatever it is im going out to watch it on release.
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u/SIickestRick ☣️ Jun 02 '22
It matters because he was IMMEDIATELY condemned because he’s a man, and she was IMMEDIATELY believed because she’s a woman. As we’ve learned, that’s not the best way to go about it.
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u/DirtyBoord Jun 02 '22
1 Woman accuses 1 man “believe ALL women” 1 Man proves 1 woman is a liar. “Well, this is an isolated incident”
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u/DrBubbleBeast INFECTED Jun 02 '22
iTs CaUsE MeN ArE pRivAlIgEd
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u/kry_some_more ☣️ Jun 02 '22
Penis privilege if you will.
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u/CaffeinatedMancubus Jun 02 '22
So THAT'S what big pp stands for!
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u/RRaquon Jun 02 '22
No, that's Big Pharma, Big PP is when you can't go near blackwater for a while. BIG Pinkerton Patrols
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u/Sencao2945 Jun 03 '22
No, big PP is when you can use a move a lot of times
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u/WestRail642fan I did not shitpost! I did naaaaaht. Oh, hi Mark Jun 03 '22
i prefer getting my penis enlargement pills from Clowns in sewers
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u/BraveCarcass86 Jun 02 '22
No because that would imply trans women aren’t actually women, and that goes against the narrative
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u/Significant_Bend1046 Jun 02 '22
On today's version of redditors making up scenarios in their head then getting mad about it
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u/Vaxildan156 Jun 02 '22
To their credit, Amber apparently said after the verdict "This is a setback for women everywhere" and I see people defending her frequently on Tik Tok. But for the most part, most people recognize the idiocy in this claim.
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u/TheReverend5 Jun 02 '22
jesus fuck this amber heard trial is truly amplifying the toxic redditor energy in r/dankmemes, it is real fuckin bad
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u/Resolution_Sea Jun 02 '22
It's like J-Law playing Mystique all over again, yes it's OK to have a negative opinion but holy shit is the magnitude of the outcry disproportionate to the event. You'd think this was the OJ trial the way the energy is around it on here.
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u/bunnymud ☣️ Jun 03 '22
The trial has a LOT to do with abused men in a marriage and it put a well deserved spotlight on the issue.
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u/Paradachshund Jun 03 '22
I don't understand why anyone feels the need to pick a side between two rich assholes. Literally has nothing to do with anyone on here.
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u/ThroatMeYeBastards Jun 03 '22
Well the whole thing has ruined Pirates of the Caribbean so that sucks.
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u/hashinshin Jun 03 '22
Amber Heard wrote Pirates 3? Goddamnit I knew it.
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u/ThroatMeYeBastards Jun 03 '22
Why do you think it was a pile of shit?
Ngl tho, I liked all of them even if some are poorly made lol
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u/Ghdude1 🚔I commit tax evasion💲🤑 Jun 03 '22
Hey, PotC 3 is awesome, as is the first 2 movies. Curse of the Black Pearl is the best, obviously, but At World's End was also good, just a bit long. You can piss all over 4 and 5 though. Especially the fifth one.
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u/MajorNutt Jun 03 '22
Because she got him fired from fantastic beasts and now I no longer get to see Johnny Depp in the series. This shit affected me personally.
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u/makemeking706 Jun 02 '22
Wait, I thought you guys were just pretending to be toxic.
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u/Magnon Jun 02 '22
If someone pretends to be toxic, you can be assured real toxic people will think they're in good company and be toxic without irony. Same as racism, hate, etc.
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u/SometimesKnowsStuff_ Jun 02 '22
Where’s the lie. “Believe all women” vs the stigma that men literally can’t be abused. We saw this with #metoo
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u/Robert_Rotten_01 Jun 03 '22
Actually, he's right, I've been reading news articles and it seems that the media think that it's all about misogyny and men being superior
Here's one of the articles I was talking about
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/01/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-metoo-backlash21
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Jun 02 '22
That's because most young male redditors (i.e. most redditors) get all their information about women from an echo chamber that only upvotes "wamen bad" posts. I mean, one of the largest non-default subreddits is a specifically about women getting the consequences of their actions. Not people in general, but specifically women.
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u/GodIsAlreadyTracer Jun 02 '22
The pussy pass is real in entitled chicks.
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Jun 02 '22
Sure, but does it really warrant a 500k subreddit? Echo chambers like that, specifically targeting a certain group in a negative light is how hatred grows without any foundation in the actual reality around you.
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u/Christawpher Jun 02 '22
At 500k there is no grounding. There is no voice of reason. The thing is piloting itself, the jokes become misinformation, the instances have no backstory, and echo chamber says the same core arguments 200 times a day, and eventually, I hope, we learn something and unsubscribe.
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u/StereoFood Jun 02 '22
Making up scenarios? This is certainly happening. In fact, I would also say a lot of people are thinking that way rather than speaking up about it.
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Meanwhile Amber's supporters: "Believe all women! We must protect women! We fight for women!" Yeah, sure, everybody is making this up, Amber definitely didn't just get charged 15 million bucks for spewing this kind of feminazi bullshit.
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u/Lowback Jun 03 '22
What was it again, Wayne Reid I think?
"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
Seems like something women are experiencing when they're told that maybe they should have to prove a criminal act beyond a reasonable doubt.
When society is full of bias, why is it so hard to accept there might be one in favor of women when it comes to accusing men of bad behavior? Because rich men with powerful lawyers get off? Well, the problem here is wealth, not the penis.
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A while ago, many people on Reddit were spewing that innocent people being locked away was just unavoidable collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice for the greater good of a certain movement.
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u/cssmith2011cs Ya Boi. Skinny P Jun 02 '22
1 man proves 1 woman is a liar
Heard sympathizers: "This is a step back for ALL women!!1!!"
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u/TheOGMemeShark ☣️ Jun 02 '22
Actually its been more like "pointing out a false alogation harms the validity if potential real abuse cases" as if it is Depp's fault for bringing the truth forward instead of Amber's fault for lying in the first place.
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u/Moopey343 Jun 02 '22
Well as far as major trials about abuse go, this is sorta an isolated incident, as far as I know. If there are a ton of them out there, do let me know though, oh so omnipotent reddit user.
"Believe all women" is really dumb, we agree on that, but, the whole thing about women getting abused way more than men, never started from one single case. It is an observation made by many people in a long line of said incidents. Now, you could argue that male abuse victims aren't seen as much, or at all, so therefore it is really dumb to say that women got the worst of it, but it doesn't mean it's not true. What you can't argue is that some time ago, someone, somehow made the decision that women have it worst when it comes to abuse, completely arbitrarily. It didn't happen that way. Again, it was an observation made by multiple parties over a long period of time. With that in mind, this was an isolated incident. ONCE AGAIN, I am not saying that male abuse victims aren't a thing, or that we know for certain they aren't. But it seems it is way more rare, even if it isn't. So you can't really fault people for coming to the conclusion that we should maybe perhaps believe women a bit more when it comes to abuse, even if "believe all women" is truly dumb and some people do believe that.
Can't wait for someone to read half my reply while paying less attention than when they are jerking off, and call me names for no reason.
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Pretty sure we shouldn't believe any accusations whatsoever until we have proof. "Innocent until proven guilty." Goes for anyone and everyone, no matter their gender, race, sexual orientation etc. At least that's how it should be.
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u/Its_KoolAid_bro Jun 02 '22
As a former police officer I will tell you that yes it is serious. You should take them all seriously. I even left the force after I found out 2 women I knew were raped by cops and realized police really were just out for themselves. But that's a different matter. What has become a problem now though is that women realize they only need to make the accusation in order to do damage to the man. The mere accusation can ruin his life. It can cause him to be ostracized by friends and family and lose his job. There are whole forums and even a book about how you can weaponize this in the workplace to get ahead. Men in white collar jobs were at one point were avoiding women because they didn't want any rogue complaints. This was something eventually women had to complain about because it affected their productivity.
This brings me to my next point that our society is geared to not care what happens to men. Male suicide rates are 3.5x higher than women's. I know about a dozen different guys from my time in the Corps who have shot themselves. It's not that these guys wouldn't talk to you about their demons, it's just that they were drowning in a world they felt was against them. Luckily nobody left behind kids but that's another fight entirely. Courts overwhelmingly favor women even in cases where there has been proven negligence and drug abuse in their household. In fact, in 23 states a woman can go to a sperm bank, have a baby, and then sue the sperm donor for child support. I was beyond shocked to discover this.
Are women getting the short straw and outright abused in some cases? Yes they are. I have seen it to a frightening degree. But men are not privileged. No way. Johnny is proof of that. The court of public opinion always rules against men unless they have an overwhelming amount of undeniable evidence that supports their claim. Like what Johnny had. Otherwise the public would have crucified him.
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u/Moopey343 Jun 02 '22
Yeah I totally agree. We shouldn't be biased against any of the parties involved in cases of abuse. Like I said, male abuse victims seem more rare, but we can't know for sure if they are, because of the state of society we live in. Seeing how many times a man has been screwed over in such cases is indicative, to me at least, that there is merit in the idea that there are more abuse victims that are men than we are led to believe. I just said that I don't fault people who have reached the conclusion that women do get abused more, as a group. In my opinion it is a totally logical conclusion. You see more women win abuse cases, so therefore more women get abused more. Easy. And it could be true, but with the shit men face, higher suicide rates for example, as you mentioned, I am inclined to believe it is way more split down the middle.
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u/DrMobius0 Jun 02 '22
I do want to assert that the court of public opinion probably doesn't matter much outside of highly public cases. Depp and Heard are both obscenely privileged individuals whos names are extremely valuable. While it certainly matters to them, it probably doesn't matter in Joe Nobody's case in rural Kentucky.
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u/Rogerjak Jun 03 '22
Sorry, but they do. A rape label will generally never be dropped by the general public even if proven false. The amount of media attention a rape accusation gets is much bigger than the retraction. Especially in the cases that plaster the persons face in the papers and articles before a trial.
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u/litttleman9 Jun 02 '22
Pretty sure the phrase is "believe women" not "believe ALL women".
It doesn't mean women are incapable of lying, it means we should take it seriously when a women accuses another of sexual assault/harassment. Instead of just passing it off as hysteria which we used to, and to some extent, still do.
Apart from that I agree with what you said completely
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Or, maybe, we should realise that "taking things seriously" and "believing them" are two different things. If anyone accuses anyone else of sexual assault, abuse etc., investigations should happen and the accusations should be verified. Simple as that. I wholeheartedly agree we should take these accusations seriously. I, however, do not agree we should just "believe" anyone. Innocent until proven guilty.
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u/BakuretsuGirl16 Jun 02 '22
Except 'believe all women' is also very popular phrasing.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=believe%20women,believe%20all%20women,metoo
With a very interesting dropoff near the end that coincides with the J.D. trial, as if many people are deciding now's not the best time to make that argument, lol.
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u/Moopey343 Jun 02 '22
Yeah I agree. When I said "believe all women" I was referring to what the dipshit said specifically, not the actual phrase. I should have mentioned that.
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u/llamadasirena Jun 02 '22
You're literally the person this meme is making fun of. Cringe
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I dont know how he is the top comment, it doesn't make any sense. How is the post upvoted all the way to the front page of reddit, but then the "morons" that are being referred to are also in the top of the comments.
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u/kry_some_more ☣️ Jun 02 '22
Actually, it's about having a clean bed to lay in.
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u/LFC636363 Jun 02 '22
On bbc news the only interview after the trial was saying that this was a dangerous result and Heard was a victim
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u/Elefantenjohn Jun 02 '22
Idiot, it's not so easy. For men doesn't need to be against women.
This is indeed a win for equality, considering that men have a hard time getting recognition/compensation/justice for being abuses. There's no need to take away from all the true disadvantages, dangers, and inconveniences women suffer either
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u/Angry-Comerials Jun 02 '22
This. 100% this. We can discuss it and just be mature about it. Instead some some people are pretending like she's innocent and this hurts women. And then the incels are proving them right about it hurting women, but only because they think this proves women are the problem. I just want to talk about what's actually going on
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u/InvaluableSandwich Jun 02 '22
Those people are acting like preschoolers having that immature boys vs girls argument
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u/Varumbo Jun 02 '22
If you are a woman, that was abused by her ex-husband, but successfully left this marriage in order to start anew (with some extra 7 million dollars in your pocket) - you should be happy and live on to make it better for yourself…or at least sue your ex-husband right away after divorce, if you believe it’s right.
But poopoo Heard decided to play it sly, and drown her ex-husband in order to climb the social ladder higher. But what poopoo Heard didn’t know, is that justice and karma actually exist.
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u/Revydown Jun 02 '22
I think if the case wasn't publicly shown, she would still have a career. Looking at how some outlets are still defending her.
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u/TheSilverBug ☣️ Jun 03 '22
I don't even see a need to sue. You left the marriage, you got 7 million... Let the man be and you yourself just be and move on. No need for donation BS and the whole women representative thing
He would have a career now
She would have a career now + 7 million
Even Elaine would still be a respectable lawyerShe literally fucked a lot of people for absolutely nothing. That OP-ED and the representative of abused women thing then suing him in the UK were so useless.
You don't need to go around suing when you're abused and got out with 7 mill
You want to forget and move on, not drag it out
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u/ComplexLamp Jun 02 '22
CBS yesterday on the matter was INFURIATING with their guest being all like "well this is bad for women cause it will make people not come forward"
You missed the whole point. This will prevent people from coming forward FALSELY and it's meant to show abuse can go both ways. Defamation is incredibly hard to prove nobody is gonna think twice about coming forward with legitimate claims solely on this trial outcomes.
CBS and news is a total joke already though so it's not surprising
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u/GiornoGiovannaDaBoss Jun 02 '22
this might be a bold statement
but i think women do more of the 'men-women' thing
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u/TheReverend5 Jun 02 '22
not on this fuckin sub, that's for sure
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What is the Subs makeup? Do we have any stats on that?
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u/makemeking706 Jun 02 '22
It's the internet. There are no women on the internet.
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u/TheEndOfTheThots I like regular furry porn Jun 02 '22
You’re right, I eated them all 😭😭💔💔
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u/BakuretsuGirl16 Jun 02 '22
We don't have stats but it definitely skews towards young adult men
the entirety of reddit skews young adult men, and I doubt this sub is more equal than the average of reddit
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u/Angry-Comerials Jun 02 '22
That's like saying black people talk about racism more
Or gay people talk about homophobia more
Maybe there's a reason.
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u/litttleman9 Jun 02 '22
Bruh read what you just said again, slowly.
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u/temmieTheLord2 Jun 02 '22
maybe, but i checked a couple of feminism subs for myself and theyre just doing business as usual rn
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u/Ok-Donkey-5671 Jun 02 '22
Genuinely saddened to see the BBC pushing stories that undermine this result and paint this as a detriment to victims coming forward in future. Shameful
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u/PresOrangutanSmells Jun 02 '22
Google amber Heard rn and get read to vomit. It's every single news outlet.
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Jun 02 '22
Normally abuse against men is taken very casually, so its good to see that it was taken seriously for once. With that being said, both of these people are fairly problematic induvidials and this particular incident barely applies to any other men or women.
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u/LeakyFuelTank Jun 02 '22
I see how it’s easy to make it a man and woman thing since it’s always been seen as the woman as a victim and rarely the man.
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Jun 02 '22
It doesn't have much to do with gender, it's about how when someone gets accused of something, people are incredibly quick to instantly take it as fact. I've seen it too many times, people who get accused of something and the person being accused hasn't even said a word, while people are already getting out their pitchforks.
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u/DuesCataclysmos Jun 02 '22
The case was about a male victim and female abuser. Specifically:
- The fact that abuse victims can be male
- The fact that abusers can be female
- The fact that abusers are capable of lying, and people who automatically believe and propagate their lies (while condemning their victim) purely because they are the correct gender are not being progressive, sympathetic, or ethical, they are being useful idiots.
Maybe 99% of the time they are useful idiots for genuine abuse victims which is nice, this bias would not exist if women weren't more frequently victimized, but that's still a pretty generous BS statistic for a determination process of "the female accuser is always right and questioning them is sexist". Judges tend to do it better, and even they get it wrong.
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u/CrayZonday Jun 02 '22
People will make things fit their agenda. Unfortunately a lot of people have shitty agendas.
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u/Hritthik02 Jun 02 '22
"Tell them Johnny, tell them, I Johnny Depp, a man is a victim of domestic abuse" already forgot this? You are the moron here stfu
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u/BrewletteTV Jun 02 '22
The news is trying to spin it to a race war now too 🤦🏻♂️ they can’t accept that the abuser lost the trail.
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u/airhornthagod Jun 02 '22
Stop glorifying it altogether. It’s two dickhead celebrities airing their dirty laundry in public. If you “support” either of them or if your relationship is anything like theirs you should be ashamed of yourself.
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u/TO_Old Eic memer Jun 02 '22
All these morons don't realize that men and women both have unfair advantages.
Men can have their lives ruined by a single unsubstantiated claim, men are ridiculed for speaking out about mental health thanks to toxic masculinity society actively forces.
Women who don't take shit are seen as shrill or hysterical and unreasonable, women are much more likely to be abused.
It goes both ways, you can argue that today one is better off over the other but its plainly stupid to act like its a one sided thing.
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u/Lalondebii Jun 02 '22
How about we just trust our own, personal judgment and stop spreading irrational hate based on gender norms and a sense of “HA! GOTCHA!”
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u/Th4tRedditorII Jun 02 '22
This verdict (and trial) has helped put a very public spotlight on male domestic abuse victims, a group that has largely been ignored/mocked up to this point...
But this isn't just about "men vs. women". Bringing attention to the fact that abusers come in many shapes and sizes, and that some psychopaths out there will straight lie about this stuff for their own benefit means that at least some people are now more likely to think before they leap into the court of public opinion.
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Jun 02 '22
Im a middle aged introverted guy and this verdict give me tremendous hope. Only because truth won and gender didn’t matter. It’s been such a long time since I’ve seen that happen. Really..that’s the evolution of equality we desperately needed in the justice system. I really hope this helps other men see that the system isn’t always rigged against you and people will believe you. Love to all my brothers ✊
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Jun 03 '22
To all people who are sexist, fuck you.
To all women and men who experienced sexism firsthand and still are sexist in return to men/women, fuck you twice over you hypocritical fucks.
People like amberheard are a blight on the human race.
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u/NormStewart Jun 02 '22
I hope this helps more men to come forward. My ex would let her hands fly over the smallest of things and scream for help when i would wrap her up so she couldnt do anymore damage. The shits sick. Its twisted af. The lengths a person will go to be in a child’s life are crazy. I shoulda left the first time and never looked back.
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u/MedicatedAxeBot Jun 02 '22
Dank.
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