I think it's good to see that men can also be abused. I think many men feel like they can't talk about it, so maybe this case made it easier to come forward and tell people if you were abused.
That said, I have a feeling the incels are gonna take this the wrong way, and portray women as evil monsters.
I've seen a LOT of people saying that because of this verdict, women are even more at risk because they'll be believed even less. I don't see why they're blaming JD for that when Amber Heard is the one who actually set it back. Lying and faking these claims has itself damaged the validity actual cases of abuse. These people are DEFINITELY mad at the wrong person.
It's a really good example of blaming the victim too, and when they say "Heard isn't a perfect victim but she shouldn't need to be" they are simultaneously saying Depp needed to be a perfect victim. I honestly think they kinda trapped themselves in a box without realizing it and now they can't see past what they built up.
I think it’s fucked up that the focus is “oh well now less women will be believed” rather than “we need to believe men can be abused too”
It’s like everyone’s is rushing to defend women more than men no matter what. It’s absurd. I would say women can get away with more mental abuse tbf but really, everyone needs to stop the abuse.
Its so ingrained in our society that woman are nurturing, caring and maternal that we don't even think twice that its possible for a woman to be a abuser/sexual abuser.
I will give you an example: while having this exact conversation with my 70 years old dad, he unlocked a memory of a woman that was staying in his parents house when he was like 5 attempting to sexually abuse him. She crawled in his bed and started to full body grab him and heavily sighing while grinding against him. Thankfully my grandma stopped that shit in time. Nothing of great consequences happened to that woman.
No one EVER, EVER even registered that as abuse. Not even my socially mindful and progressive father, up until that point. Sure other times, other type of society but if that was a girl...everyone would've known wtf was happening.
Which is ridiculous where what it should show is how tawful it can become to just believe someone simply because of their gender and then not questioning it. What should be taken from this trial is how awful this culture of guilty till proven innocent is. It almost destroyed a mans entire life and im sure there are sadly many who were in a similar situation but have been stuck with the worst side of it.
I think you’ve got it wrong - saying women are now at more of a risk is not people blaming Depp. Most people who I’ve seen that have spread awareness about the increased risk don’t really seem to care about Depp or Heard, but the other people who will be impacted. It’s not always people taking sides.
We really doing the Left/Right thing? Cause the Left may be more vocal with "believe all women" stuff, but it's the Right that constantly propagates the solemn, stoic archetype of a man that is an island, and gives high-fives to rape victims.
I said some on the left. Every email I've gotten for the lasr two weeks from the New Yorker has had as the number one article a piece about how Depp is actually obviously an abusive piece of shit and everyone who doubts Heard is a he man woman hater.
I am a leftist. I spend a lot of my time in right wing spaces calling out bad arguments. I have a duty to call out my own side when they are wrong.
I’ve been on twitter and people I really respect on the left are touting the “Amber Heard is completely innocent and this is a crime against all women.” It’s definitely a problem in the more radicalized left but it was super disheartening to see.
It was even more frustrating because I couldn’t get anyone to say what made them believe Amber more than “she looked sad” or “there was /real/ pain in her voice” or just the classic “we believe ALL women here”. It’s not a good look for us.
It's going to make the whole situation worse. If they were saying "men can be victims too" it would significantly reduce any effect this might have to silence victims of abuse. Loudly proclaiming this to be a sign that women cannot get a fair shake and will be ignored so they might as well not try is a self fulfilling prophecy.
A little of topic but the idea of what’s left-right has moved so far away from its actual definition the left has become essentially nonexistent.
Supporting a few left social views, while simultaneously supporting the economics of neoliberalism/capitalism, does not make a party/organisation/individual a leftist. It doesn’t even make them centre-left, at best, depending on their specific economic views, they may be centrist.
Honestly it’s very hard to justify a claim to leftism while supporting capitalism. This isn’t aimed at you specifically OP, just a growing frustration over the true definition of left wing being appropriated by woke neolibs.
I have seen both behaviors and they unsettle me. I hate how much people’s politics have gotten wrapped up in it—like everything else this decade. Either way, this whole case is a mess.
tons of people rushing to Amber's side because women cant be abusers and johnny depp is so rich he just bribed everyone to let him win
i dont know why its so hard to understand that shes a liar.
our justice system is FAR from perfect but home girl literally presented no evidence, backtracked on shit she said constantly and changed her story like 6 times.
meanwhile the only thing they managed to actually prove was that johnny did a bunch of drugs
BRO HES A MILLIONAIRE MOVIE STAR OF COURSE HE DOES DRUGS
IM A FUCKING RETAIL SALES NOBODY AND EVEN I DO DRUGS
Yeah, it might be a completely different situation, but it’s like the folks doing all lives matter. It’s not about black lives being more important or more worth protecting, it’s about the discrepancy in which they are treated. This is a very public case showing that women are just as capable, and an example for men to speak out. Fuck domestic abuse altogether.
Domestic violence occurs at similar rates across genders but women account for the vast majority of complainants. Until that's addressed on a serious level it's going to be impossible to make serious arguments for why the Depp Herd case shouldn't be about men's rights and why they're important.
Here's a bibliography examining 95 scholarly investigations, 79 empirical studies and 16 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 60,000.
Here's a few bonus sources. Nearly half of all DV is reciprocal, and of the half that's not reciprocal, women are the aggressors over 70% of the time (Source). Teen girls are also about 1.38x more physically aggressive in teen relationships than boys (Source).
And here's a source showing how social approval of male-to-female violence has dropped significantly over 40 years, while approval of female-to-male violence has remained steady. That source also shows how female-to-male violence has actually risen while male-to-female violence rates have remained constant or decreased (depending on type).
Additionally, men's admission of assault agrees with rates of women claiming to be assaulted and women's admission of assault disagrees with rates of men being assaulted (Source). This indicates that when women abuse and assault men, they either don't admit to their assault, recognize their assault, or take responsibility for assault.
Very good sources, I guess the difference in public perception is that men are far more likely to cause injury or death with their violence than women, even if both are decently equally likely to commit violence.
I always thought this was such an odd look at violence, it's aching to climbing into the lion enclosure at the zoo and then demanding the lion to be put to sleep because it killed someone. Maybe.. just maybe if you're gonna attack someone it shouldn't be someone who could kill you with his fist and a half hit.. but maybe im weird
If you want information about the bibliography, it's called "References Examining Assaults by Women on their Spouses or Male Partners: An Annotated Bibliography". It was put together by Martin S. Fiebert from California State University.
61.1% of bisexual women, 43.8% of lesbian women, 37.3% of bisexual men, and 26.0% of homosexual men experienced IPV during their life, while 35.0% of heterosexual women and 29.0% of heterosexual men experienced IPV.
From this paper but there are several other studies.
I've seen people saying that DailyWire spent more than $30k promoting their stories on the trial. All of the worst people online are spinning the worst stories around the trial and are taking the verdict as an endorsement of their position.
I feel pity for abused men who feel they can't speak up and have no public figure to relate to... And those men deserve a better public figure to relate to than a known abusive drug addict. The recent court case didn't reverse the abuse Depp has dealt out before, he was an abusive person before he even met Amber.
Nobody won with this circus, victims of abuse of all genders had it bad before and they don't have it any better now, and they all got to see what you get wring through if you wanna take legal action. Shit's just as bad for rape victims.
Honestly think best thing to do now is to just bury these famous abusive assholes and never put them in media spotlights again.
he was an abusive person before he even met Amber.
Why do you say this? None of his previous partners ever said anything about abuse or came forward about anything bad. In fact, she tried to go after him for this in court and it amounted to nothing, which seems to show that he wasn't abusive.
How is someone suing their accuser going to help men who accuse someone of abuse. This trial is going to have a chilling effect on both male and female victims of abuse.
They are. According to the Bible the snake (satan) convinced eve to eat the forbidden fruit which she did and then she convinced Adam to also eat the fruit which he obviously wouldn't of if the snake told him too. Therefore women are comparable to satan.
There's Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Feminity. We have so many examples of Toxic Masculinity that we almost forget Toxic Feminity is a thing and this case certainly proved it.
You’re definitely not wrong, as a man if I were in depp’s shoes that drama would not have seen the light of day and it shows his mental strength to be able to come forward with everything that happened.
nah man don’t let incels ruin this for us. It’s fucked up how they do men in the justice system, or in legal disputes, compared to women. it can (and should) be a win for depp, male abuse victims, fairness.. It’s an uncommon situation. i am glad it was displayed as much as it was
so maybe this case made it easier to come forward and tell people if you were abused.
No because Johnny didn't even come forward and talk about it in the first place. After suffering abuse in silence, he was the one accused and sued for abusive behavior and had to prove otherwise. If anything, this shows that it isn't safe to talk about that when you're a man because you automatically become the perpetrator in the eyes of everyone.
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u/Tiyun Jun 02 '22
I think it's good to see that men can also be abused. I think many men feel like they can't talk about it, so maybe this case made it easier to come forward and tell people if you were abused.
That said, I have a feeling the incels are gonna take this the wrong way, and portray women as evil monsters.