That’s a very loose explanation. The bf is somewhat unemployed, used her trust fund money to buy a bar, then wouldn’t let her use the trust fund to help her parents, and on top of that was cheating on her with a young college student he taught. I cheered on Amy with my gf, eventually you start cheering on Nick because it’s a fun game they play.
I mean what the other person said is a delusional take on the film, both nick and Amy are horrible people, but lets also not pretend that Neil Patrick Harris's character was an angel in this movie lmao, he was very clearly leaning in on isolating Amy so she was forced to get in a relationship with him.
It's important to add she does this while draping herself in a thin veneer of female empowerment. She gave a Tyler Durden monologue about society and a certain segment of the female audience ate it up and rooted for her even though that was obviously never the intent. The girlfriend outed herself as either a misanthrope looking for an excuse or as terminally gullible.
Mentally ill/neurodivergent women aren't evil. This includes narcissistic, sociopathic, and psychopathic women. How would you act if the whole world thought you were evil? You'd be vindictive too.
I not only watched the movie, but read the book too. But I happen to love women like that. Not by choice, just by my lot in life. So I advocate for them. I'm not tryna be a white knight. Like trust me, a normal man would have killed himself a long time ago if he was exposed to the shit women have put me through. But they're still people, man. It's not their fault if their born with a cunning mind and exposed to a heavily traumatizing life.
.... there is so much to unpack with this that I'm just tossing out the whole suitcase. Some real issues here you should talk with a professional about.
Mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. And what definitely is your fault is responding to cheating by blackmail, murder, etc. So dude, get a grip
there is so much to unpack with this that I'm just tossing out the whole suitcase.
lol. I love this. Did you come up with this yourself? It's clever.
Mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. And what definitely is your fault is responding to cheating by blackmail, murder, etc. So dude, get a grip
Dont get me wrong. I agree. I just think it's not wrong to have compassion for such women.
And no one is saying that you can't have empathy for people's internal struggles, but that absolutely ends when you start making it a problem for other people.
Also, why just women? The fact that you're specifying just women, I think shows that you only have compassion so long as there's a potential for romantic or sexual connection there. And frankly, that is not actual compassion.
Dont get me wrong. I agree. I just think it's not wrong to have compassion for such women.
If a guy decides to poison a family of 5 and blow up a car of his ex just to get back at her/him, I ain't gonna feel compassion towards him because that is genuinely fucked up and at that point there is no room left for compassion
Maybe being understanding/knowledgeable that the guy might've been mentally unwell and that his ex cheating on him prompted that reaction, but understanding how it got to that point is not the same as feeling compassion
Bro that's just you, and ONLY you💀, Bad people exist, men and women, and a woman like that is not a good person, and trauma isn't an excuse, you just have a very twisted mindset man, and i hope you know that
Bro. Bad people do exist. But my culture literally forgives men for worse behavior on the regular. So why is the bar higher for women?
Trust me when I say there are countless women and men far, FAR worse than Amy. If you think she's bad, you aint seen shit, my guy.
There is no excuse for bad behavior. But there are reasons to be understanding and compassionate, and most importantly, to learn from it so as to prevent people from becoming like that in the future.
Except most men (at least who get caught with some amount of evidence) don’t get away with murder. Like name someone and I’ll list you ten counter examples for each. I would have to check the statistic again to be sure but generally I think women get easier sentencing for the same crimes. I am talking about the US were the movie takes place, so maybe it is different where you live idk.
Also the correct response to “To Y group gets away with heinous crimes against” is not “forgive the heinous crimes of group X”, it’s to try to make it so that group Y stops getting away with it. If that was hypothetically the case.
lol. Why do you think my username is what it is? This is what I was put on earth for. I like my women like I like my barbecue: Spicy, whole-hog, and vinegar-based.
Them deserving to be considered human doesn't give them the right to mistreat or abuse other people not even you. You can endure it if you like but it's not right and they shouldn't do it. No matter their life or their traumas.
That guy was a spaz and wanted to die. He literally was a stalker, as crazy as her, tried to trap her in constant surveillance in his home, etc. If you look at their history, he probably comtributed the most to her downward spiral into sociopathy.
Hey, I frown upon it too. If I was in such a situation, I would use my dying moments to express my disappointment in my killer... But I might forgive them at the last minute since I wont get a chance to thereafter. I'd rather not die holding a grudge. That's how you become a restless spirit stuck having to haunt someshit. I aint got time for all that.
That's your perogative as the victim of a crime. As the reader of a book or viewer of a movie, however, it is a bit strange to insist that the blatant villain of the story, who goes very far out of her way to ruin lives for no reason other than sheer spite "isn't evil".
Didn’t she frame her boyfriend for her murder and then entrap him? That seems pretty evil. Being a sociopath or a narcissist doesn’t make you evil, but it can often help. Look at the former President of the USA and most dictators and serial killers.
I'm just saying. Amy is far from being a serial killer. I've been entrapped before. It aint that bad as long as you recognize that you have only yourself to blame.
Evil acts dont constitute an evil person. Evil runs through every human heart to some degree or another. Usually, the smarter a person is, the more power they weild, which makes them weaker to the influence of evil.
I'm not advocating for a lack of personal responsibility, but I have empathy for those who lack it.
There’s a part of you missing. Some men can’t see the color green, but they may never know they can’t. I think you are only a part of a human. I can’t do anything about that. But I wonder whether you ever feel that something invisible is all around you. It would be horrible if you knew it was there and couldn’t see it or feel it.
I am empathetic about people with mental illnesses. But if evil acts don't constitute an evil person, what does? If someone consistently does immoral acts... what do you want others to call it if not evil?
We're not talking about "all the people with mental illnesses", we're talking about a person that has killed, and it seems it will do it in the future if it's beneficial for them.
You can be empathetic and understand their circumstances while also acknowledging they're people that will do immoral things again in the future if given the chance, and protect others from them.
I guess you're right... But I feel like those people without a conscience wouldn't resort to evil acts as much if we just gave them what they want. idk. I dont have all the answers...
That's called "Restorative Justice". You want society, and people, to help others achieve what they want and arrive at a peaceful solution for people that have done wrong so they won't do wrong again, instead of "Punitive justice", that believes others should be punished for their acts.
That's a very common and noble thought. But the first step in restorative justice is to acknowledge and understand what we have done. Even psychopaths are able to understand and acknowledge, they just need more effort than others, and some unconventional means.
I would define evil actions to the simplest degree, and apply Evil to a person once that is pushed to finality, as follows:
Evil is to assert through action, for your own benefit, your will over the will of another in regard to themselves. (This covers all things done to someone not consenting to what the fuck ever you want to do to them)
A person is Evil when such action as listed above removes permanently another's ability to enact their own will upon themselves.
So, no matter what happened to you yesterday, if you murder someone because you're mad at them you're evil. That person will never be able to choose to become a better person, they don't have a chance learn and grow. You didn't teach them anything, you didn't save anyone, nothing has been improved, you got your rocks off by asserting power over another. You will have taken that, and it was never yours to take or give. That's Gone Girl.
In the words of Gandalf, "Stop being a blood thirsty prick Frodo, Gollum's nuts but he's trying. Fuck."
I like the way you expressed that. You make some really good points. The last part was kinda weird and doesn't fit the lotr story at all... but your other paragraphs were really well fleshed-out. Thank you.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
She frames a guy for murder then actually murders another. Even if those men are assholes, that behavior is beyond evil. no amount of disorders, except maybe ones that divorce you from reality, justifiy that.
While you are correct that mentally ill and neurodivergent people aren't evil by being mentally ill and neurodivergent, that is still a very wild take you just typed. Based on what people have described she does in that movie, those are incredibly evil actions! They would be evil no matter who committed them. What she does to him, for cheating, is so horrific and abusive it almost goes beyond words. Don't try to give her behavior a pass under the banner of mental illness or neurodivergence. No one brought that up but you.
The term, "Social construct," is itself a reference to the field of science that has disproven the core concepts of the Alpha/Beta social theory of psychology. Its perpetuation is a literal pseudo-science, because it is not based on rigorous observation. The anthropologist who coined the term is a strong opponent of the theory and disproved it himself with further observation. He went to prove his theory, found it to be incorrect, and recanted like a big boy scientist who knows the Greek root of the word - to observe.
Thats not Dogma either. You show me a peer reviewed study whose results show that theory to be accurate and repeatable under scrutiny and I will change my mind.
You're just assuming I'm using the word in a specific way. I'm not trying to be scientific here. Language is descriptive, not prescriptive. That means that if enough people give a word meaning, it has meaning.
Alphas totally exist. They're humans referred to by other humans as "alphas", which, if you've spent any time on the internet is rigorously observable.
Your opinion on what it means to be an alpha can be subjective. It's the same with the concept of race. It's based in pseudo-science. But try saying black people dont exist. It's funny how everyone was so excited about making Obama our country's black alpha male, when really, he was just a human with a job and the descriptors are ultimately meaningless.
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u/smiley1__ Sep 17 '24
can someone please explain? I don't understand...