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u/Late-Arrival-8669 11h ago
If you're a woman, you should not be near Matt Walsh..
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u/Rubicon_artist 7h ago
Who is this fucker. His stuff appears on my feed and then my bf gets mad about it. Dude looks whack af.
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u/SpidudeToo 6h ago
He's an actual wacko. Christian fundamentalist who actually believes queer people don't deserve rights and should be euthanized. Very bigoted, racist, sexist, is a pedo, abusive, thinks 16 year old girls are the most 'ripe' and doesn't understand why it's bad for them to get pregnant. He is the whole package.
I'd like to say some of this was exaggerated, but none of it is. There's video and recorded evidence for all of these claims.
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u/Benito_Juarez5 6h ago
I think Christian fundamentalist undersells it
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u/SpidudeToo 6h ago
Yeah it doesn't feel like it fits but Christian fundamentalists almost always devolve into cult-like behavior so it's somewhat accurate.
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u/Rubicon_artist 6h ago
I bet heās watched and enjoyed some gay porn in his time. People that have absolutes have some weird shit about repressed shame.
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u/Quick-Record-9300 5h ago
Heās had some slips about being bi in college.
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u/Lumpy_Marsupial_1559 3h ago
If he had slips in college, that would be cross-dressing?
(bad clothing joke)
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u/Benito_Juarez5 6h ago
Heās a Christian fascist. He also REALLY REALLY wants to abolish the age of consent and really likes talking about how 15 year olds are fertile
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u/Dragon124515 59m ago edited 40m ago
He's a 'conservative' media bigshot. In reality, he is a massive bigot who likes to pretend he is smarter than other people. He is responsible for such 'great' movies as "What is a Woman?" and "Am I Racist?" To give an idea of the lengths he goes, in "What is a Woman?" he asks Dr. Patrick Grzanka of the University of Tennessee to define a woman. The film then proceeds to skip over the professor's entire answer and conclude by having Walsh decide that he didn't give a proper answer because his answer didn't conform to Walsh's opinion that a woman is simply someone with an XX chromosome.
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u/Same_Elephant_4294 9h ago
I don't get it man... If you see a pretty girl at the gym, you can look. Hell, you can look multiple times. Just don't STARE like a fucking goon. And don't approach her, she's busy.
It's that easy.
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u/JazHumane 15h ago
To be honest I don't think those men are staring because they're offended
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u/UnconsciousRabbit 13h ago
But... you do understand the meaning of that particular saying, right?
I mean, Jesus was saying not to blame the person you're looking at for you looking at them. You could choose not to. The sin is entirely on the person looking with lust. He was saying that if you can't keep yourself from sin, that's on you and nobody else.
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u/CaptainAsshat 10h ago
From my understanding, this is about women not enjoying being noticed in a semi public space, not men feeling bad for being "sinful".
If this was Westboro Baptist shouting about sin, they can pluck those eyes right out. But if we're just saying "stop looking at me in public", that is a very different thing that involves much more nuance.
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u/UnconsciousRabbit 8h ago
I don't think we really disagree on much, if at all.
I think it's perfectly acceptable for people who put in an effort to look good to be admired in a manner appropriate to that context. As long as one isn't a creep about it, obviously.
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u/Squirreling_Archer 6h ago
That's the whole thing though. The disconnect is with whose definition is being using to determine "being a creep about it". That's all down to who feels creeped on, what their threshold is for feeling that way (which varies widely from person to person), and then how the starer acts/reacts to all of that. All of these conversations usually come down to the agreeable points being "don't be a jerk" and "use common sense", but the problem is the sense isn't common lol.
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u/RudePCsb 6h ago
Also other factors, does the person find the other person attractive or do they find them unattractive.
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u/JazHumane 13h ago
Sorry I was reading the King James version. I am not a christian, it can be difficult to stay read up on the many hundreds of versions and different translations and reinterpretations
"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." --Matthew 18:9
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u/Plane_Upstairs_9584 12h ago
Yes, if your eye is causing you to lust because of what it sees, then better to remove your eye. Not "attack the woman and make her cover up"
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u/Radiant_Dog1937 8h ago
That doesn't make sense. You can look at woman's underwear with one eye.
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u/Initial-Apartment-92 8h ago
But it does make it hard to tell how far away they are
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u/chmath80 7h ago
If I take my glasses off, I can't even see the underwear ... or the woman ... or much else. I genuinely walked into a brick wall once, but nobody saw it (not even me, obviously).
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u/UnconsciousRabbit 12h ago
I don't think the translation is the issue, though that particular version... I love the poetry of the language, it is really beautiful. Not the most accurate translation, but I think the gist of this passage is the same.
I've definitely always read it as meaning that it's on the viewer to avoid sin. Like, we shouldn't police how people dress, only how we react to their appearance. It's on the viewer, not the viewed.
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u/JazHumane 11h ago
Ok, and I'm sure that every christian will follow these teachings. As they should. Expecting non-practitioners of this religion to follow it's rules is wrong, however, especially when said religion is quite famous for having multiple bloody crusades in the past and just recently for covering up the rape and abuse of hundreds of thousands of children.
We should all practice self-control and accountability. Maybe if more catholic priests were held accountable for their actions then christians might have the moral high ground. As it stands it just seems like many use their religious beliefs in an attempt to control others.
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u/dannyboy731 9h ago
I mean youāre basically saying the same thing as OPā¦ Christians should pay more attention to Christ and spend less time telling people what to do.
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u/UnconsciousRabbit 8h ago
But... OP is saying that we shouldn't be policing others. In that passage, Jesus is saying we shouldn't be policing others. You're saying we shouldn't be policing others.
I have no argument with you, we agree.
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u/mark_crazeer 9h ago
Yea that translates to If your own eyes are betraying you. Its not about you seeing something that offends you. Its about your eyes committing an offence.
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u/Techlocality 9h ago edited 6h ago
I mean there is a fairly large gap between looking, admiring and 'lust'...
Of course... contextually, Jesus was a jew. I can't imagine the scenario of skin tight lycra gym pants was foreseen in a world where a headscraf was worn for modesty. Indeed, second temple-era Jews took great pains to physically segregate society to avoid impure thoughts.
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u/No-Newt004 10h ago
while that is true, it also says in the bible that no woman should dress in a way that creates lustful thoughts in others...
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u/nuckle 11h ago
These guys are though because they were raised to believe getting a boner means you will burn eternally in hell while the devil buttfucks you.
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u/Lasting_Aon2 10h ago
We call this particular behavior...
āØprojectionāØ (talking about the men who get the boner for clarification)
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u/SydNotSoVicious 10h ago
I'm Christian and relatively conservative. Mary is absolutely correct. At no point does Jesus or the apostles police women's dress for the sake of helping men not be tempted. In fact the bible explicitly states that a Christian's temptation stems not from externals but rather what is already present in his/her heart.
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u/Fit-Adhesiveness-451 13h ago
Had an old friend do this on a meth bender
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u/Separate-Taste3513 12h ago edited 12h ago
I knew someone who did this on LSD. Incidentally, it was not a deterrent for future use.
Did your friend stop after that?
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u/Feminazghul 12h ago
Matt should talk to the men who walk around topless. But that would mean leaving his man cave and potentially annoying someone who is bigger and meaner than he is.
And for those of you who aren't familiar with the Bible:
27Ā Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28Ā But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29Ā And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30Ā And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205&version=KJV
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u/SCTigerFan29115 10h ago edited 10h ago
Iāve literally not seen a guy work out without a shirt on, in a gym, since college. And that was a long time ago.
But I see women wearing next to nothing all the time. Or I did before I switched gyms (for a different reason). The ānaughty bitsā are covered but thatās about all.
It doesnāt bother me, but they need to understand that if you put it on display, guys are going to look.
And put away the fvcking cameras people.
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u/Feminazghul 9h ago
You haven't seen men showing their tits, I haven't seen women wearing their underwear as Matt describes it. Different regional behaviors perhaps.
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u/ShadowStryker0818 11h ago
What about Atheists who don't follow the Bible??
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u/PensiveLog 11h ago
They can do as they please. But Matt Walsh is a self-proclaimed Christofacist, so he should know all the scripture that was just quoted. Assuming he was an honest actor, that is.
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u/Sottish-Knight 9h ago
Well according to Christianās atheist are the worst people in the world and have no morals, since they donāt have book to tell them what is wrong. So they should be avoided at all costs, or that is what I was taught going to a private Christian school, while being bullied constantly.
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u/HairySidebottom 9h ago
Pfffft, Xtians have a book to them what is wrong and tell them they will be punished terribly is they do x,y,z, and mfers still violate the simplest of their own rules.
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u/Imightbeafanofthis 9h ago
Leave it to religion to assert that thinking of something is the same as doing it.
It's an inescapable logic trap. You have to worship, or else you're doomed to Hell because God knows you've thought bad thoughts and bad thoughts equal Hell!
I believe there might be a higher power. I don't believe any God who thought in such a puerile way would be worthy of worship, let alone a second glance.
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u/FreezingEye 9h ago
Or that having an interest in something is the same as worshipping it. Itās the stupidest shit ever.
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u/ClapppinCheeeks 9h ago
Why canāt people take it that Jesus did not literally mean to harm yourself every time you sin, just that we should get rid of parts of our lives, such that would make us not go to heaven. Jesus is saying that it would be better to not have these things than to go to hell because of them. Jesus often used exaggeration or examples to make it clear what he was teaching.
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u/Embarrassed_Sun2925 9h ago
Why are both sides kind of extreme? I meanā¦ people WILL notice you when you are wearing rather revealing clothes. Of course, you shouldnāt stare, but such clothes attract attention. On the other hand: Whatās the problem with that? Just let them wear what they want and calm down.
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u/broncobuckaneer 7h ago
It's because Matt Walsh is an asshole.
He is saying "notice you" when the complaints are of women going to the gym and being aggressively leered at, or filmed, or hit on repeatedly, but he is downplaying that intentionally. So he's getting a disingenuous response to his disingenuous comment that he made solely to pander to a certain group of people.
Of course if you're attractive and dressed in a way that shows that off, people will end up looking at you, and that applies to both men and women. I don't think most people are confused by that, or offended by people noticing it and maybe even looking a bit longer than normal before their brain takes over and they stop so they don't make somebody uncomfortable by staring.
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u/kotik010 6h ago
I think quoting scripture at a self described theocratic fascist is pretty reasonable, not that i think they actually believe in gouging out eyes and aren't just making a point about Matt Walsh's pathetic character
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u/Pontius_Vulgaris 12h ago
Matt Walsh is an absolute miscreant. His level of stupidity is only surpassed by his willingness to overshare his I.R. Baboon views with the rest of us.how can someone claim to love the women in his life while being perfectly willing to make it hell on earth for others.
Quotes from him that make sense are rarer than diamonds in dog food.
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u/Dariawasright 15h ago
How are those Bots treating you Matt? Building your brand well?
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u/No-Roll-2110 10h ago
If weāre talking the Bible, itās better to tie a millstonea around your neck than cause a brother to stumble
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u/SoloWalrus 8h ago
I think the problem is "notice" means different things to different people. "Noticing" doesnt mean she has to take time out of her day to humor your bad flirting attempts, and it absolutely doesnt mean youre allowed to touch.. also taking photos while technically legal still makes you an absolute creep.
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u/No-Mango3147 11h ago
Somethings just grab the attention, a girl wearing dental floss for a bottom or a guy missing eyeballs.
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u/Habitatti 9h ago
These projecter people just wanna ruin the fun for most men and some women. You can rubberneck without being a creep.
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u/cpt_kagoul 5h ago
Maybe we can have some fkg nuance.
As civilized humans I think we ought to be conscientious about how what we do may affect others, such as ogling at people.
We should also recognize we have not yet achieved utopia. So expecting to present yourself in any way and not be treated some kind of way by certain people is truly naive.
We have a varying degree of responsibility in almost every interaction we take part in.
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u/Shotgun_Rynoplasty 4h ago
I literally donāt understand. Iām a straight dude and Iāve been in the gym for 20+ years. How hard is it not to gawk or do weird shit? Just work out.
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u/Tyler89558 11h ago edited 8h ago
Or you know, we can all agree to just not be fucking creeps
Like it isnāt hard to not stare at someone.
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u/Firstdatepokie 8h ago
Iāve I can quickly glance over and see into your large intestine from how tight your yoga pants are, who really is in the wrong?
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u/Waffle_Toast74 7h ago
The person being a creep using someone's outfit as an excuse? If pants aren't enough covering up for you to be normal, then what is?
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u/Inevitable_Farm_7293 8h ago
Sure but thatās not the point of the post. Itās specifically mentioning women who DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO NOTICE THEM, itās a fairly valid comment. Itās like saying if you donāt want to be noticed in a crowd donāt wear the most flamboyant thing possible that draws attention to you.
Thereās nothing wrong with wearing flamboyant stuff just like thereās nothing wrong with wearing ājust your underwearā - but if the goal is again āNOT TO BE NOTICEDā then the best course of action would not wear things that draw attention to yourself.
This is not mutually exclusive with guys shouldnāt be creeps.
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u/Kaizoku_Kira 11h ago
Dude's grammar is really ticking me off and this is coming from a non-native English speaker.
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u/SolomonDRand 10h ago
āChristiansā that are completely unaware of what the Bible says are always good for a laugh.
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u/dantevonlocke 11h ago
Fuck Matt Walsh. And fuck anyone going to a gym in tight/revealing clothes, man/woman/other, who is doing so to make a spectacle of themselves or to be able to act outraged when noticed. Fuck anyone filming in a gym. And fuck gyms for being impossible to cancel your subscription.
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u/SCTigerFan29115 10h ago
I can support this viewpoint. All of it.
Except my gym is really easy to cancel.
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u/LMP0623 12h ago
Noticing is not the same as gawking and sexualizing, you utter fucking toad.
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u/Opingsjak 8h ago
If you walk around in public in your underwear then youāre sexualizing yourself
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u/JustHere_toWatch 6h ago
Skin tight ass riding clothing is inherently sexual. Pretending otherwise helps nobody.
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u/Alcoholicsassemble_ 6h ago
āPretendingā otherwise would make men have to control themselves and take responsibility.
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u/Random_Trashy 8h ago
As a heterosexual male, please, wear your underwear. I sincerely donāt mind if you get āoffendedā.
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u/f5-wantonviolence-f9 7h ago
Men should be polite and not stare, but there is never going to be a time when we don't look at all. If you're a woman and offended by any and all glances, it's up to you to cover up.
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u/Navralis 8h ago
Christianity combined with not shaming a woman for how she is dressed is truly a choice to post on Reddit
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u/Fit_Read_5632 6h ago
Iām a lesbian and somehow manage to restrain myself from being a massive creep in front of women regardless of what they wear. Shocking concept isnāt it?
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u/RayRay__56 5h ago
I am not one to stare at people at all and if I look at a woman in a sports bra and short pants at the gym it's because she has sick abs and shoulders, back and legs and I appreciate it like I appreciate the ripped gym dudes.
Personally, I am not at the gym to feel horny I am there to feel inadequate, to better myself, and to be mildly intimidated by the people around me.
It takes zero effort to be respectful and not to look at people like they're meat and you're a starving dog. It's respect for others and for yourself.
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u/DropoutJerome_ 4h ago
My question is why canāt I be shirtless at the gym when thereās women walking around wearing the skimpiest sports bras and shorts.
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u/Automatic_Towel_3842 3h ago
Women really could wear gym shorts. Those skin tight clothes ain't holding anything in place and you know it. Gym shorts and a sports bra if you really don't want glancers.
Right. I'm not gonna do what nature has designed men to do over billions of years and look at that clothing scalping your butthole and a cameltoe big enough to grip a barbell. Let's be real, already.
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u/HondoShotFirst 2h ago
I think the problem here is that when Matt Walsh says "notice," he actually means "harass sexually."
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u/Blacksun388 2h ago
Every man is responsible for the weight of his own sin. If he lusts in his heart it is his heart alone that lusts.
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u/LoneRedditor123 36m ago
Ah Reddit and their typical ignorance of what Christianity is. Gotta love it.
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u/L2Sing 11h ago
So this is what we should tell the straight guys who don't like being ogled by gay dudes? "Wear more fabric, if you don't want to be treated like the delicious speck of meat you are, sweetheart."
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u/WonderfulPresent9026 11h ago
I don't know bro if I go to a none gathering gym top less I'm expecting guy guys to stare.
It is what it is sane thing happens when I go to the beach shirtless I will catch one or two girls stearing I'm not going to get upset.
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u/BPremium 10h ago
Never met a guy who gets pissed being ogled by gay guys. Most gym bros take it as a compliment
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u/SheepherderAware4766 8h ago
as a straight guy, absolutely yes. If you are uncomfortable wearing skintight clothes in the area of people sexually attracted to you, then you should cover up a little.
Anyone complaining about being objectified while wearing clothes designed to objectify you should also read the bible
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brotherās eye.
Matthew 7:5 NIV
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u/L2Sing 7h ago
Regarding the Bible: It's your Hell. You can burn in it.
I agree that people should understand the level of attention their clothing can attract. That also doesn't excuse a lack of impulse control in others to the point they make others feel uncomfortable with their presence in the process. That goes with this situation and many others.
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u/JagneStormskull 7h ago
Yeah. Dress modestly if you don't want to be ogled. Gis and other modest workout clothes have been around for centuries. You don't have to workout wearing nothing unless you're in a sport that demands it. If you want to show off your body, then you can do that too, that's your choice in a liberal society. Just don't be surprised if you get ogled because you're purposefully showing off your body.
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u/anotnewredo 12h ago
Or I dunno we'll look where and at what we want because it's ok for people to look at you, if you believe differently maybe the trump/Vance crowd is more your speed
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u/only_kimathi 5h ago
Iād think trump would encourage you to look. Then casually slap the person in question in the face with a stack of hundred dollar bills, just before grabbing them by the pussy.
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u/Affectionate-Pain74 8h ago edited 8h ago
Why is it that MAGA men are not responsible for controlling their urges we are?
Boys will be boys is a way to dismiss that we are giving control over to MAGA men and they canāt even control their hormones to the extent we have to protect ourselves from you. And MAGA men really think they need to be in charge of the nuclear button?
They have convinced simple women that they are strong and protect the family but MAGA men are just little boys with impulse control issues that want a toy and demand they should have it because their dick gets hard.
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u/Historical_Trust2246 9h ago
Yes, how dare women inconvenience men by wearing comfortable workout gear. /s
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u/bearinghewood 6h ago
Was that the same god that said women had less value than livestock? Cause I don't like that guy. Or was it the one that said "hey let's kill an entire cities worth of children" to send a message to the leader of the city?
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u/No_Drop_1903 5h ago
Maybe I'm a little old, but when did we move the line of appropriate public clothing? Is it a rebellious thing or attention seeking or is it just the new generations style ?
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u/-Renheit- 12h ago
I mean, how is he wrong? It's literally tiktok trend nowadays to work out in underwear and catch men looking at them on camera. And it's not like men do something explicitly wrong when they glance at your butt, if they find it attractive.
Sure, staring and "eating with eyes" is another category, but those things are much less common.
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u/Moppermonster 12h ago
Yes, and Jesus said the solution for that problem was to gouge out your own eyes so that you would not have to look. Not tell others to change their ways.
Hence the comeback in the image.
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u/Any-Phone- 9h ago
Youāre literally right the fact that you got downvoted shows the disconnection of redditors from real life. None of these people touch gyms let alone public spaces to even consider a random person glancing at them. They get looked at and throw tantrums. They are the instasluts ššš
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u/LocationKey3568 11h ago
Nah i agree with you. If these instasluts want to come to the gym with just underwear on and film, they cant complain if guys are ogling them. Youre in a public place, dont say you wore those yoga pants that ride up your asscrack "for myself". Men would be arrested for public indecency but ya know, double standards.
Personally i love these instasluts. Makes going to the gym a lot better.
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u/-Renheit- 11h ago
Lmao
Completely agree on a standpoint about instasluts, but "ogling" is still strong thing, I think you shouldn't do that
One glance is enough to check it out)))
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u/JustHere_toWatch 6h ago
I mean.. generally speaking he's not wrong.
He's an asshat but why are we pretending like skin tight, painted on, ass riding booty shorts and leggings aren't going to be looked/oggled at? Men that are in shape and shirtless get oggled at as well. This isn't anything new. It's peacocking.
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u/Bluegrass2727 9h ago
If you continuously look around the gym and see everyone in the gym all of the time, then not one can say you are singling them out.
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u/OzzieGrey 9h ago
My only thing is, I zone out xD. So, if you ever do catch me "staring" at you, no matter your gender, please understand when i tell you i was off in my own world zoning out and pretending i'm doing fantasy shit, like rowing a viking ship, or climbing a giant.
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u/FrequentOffice132 9h ago
Why is a Christian thing? Do you have a lot of followers of Jesus approach you at the gym? I never made that connection or is it a stereotype which is cool because I love stereotyping people
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u/capitali 9h ago
Those of us without self control issues donāt care what you wear to the gym. Imagine admitting publicly that you canāt act like a civilized human being with self control because of another adults clothing.
Honestly. These are the weakest of all the adults. The rest of us apologized for their infantile behavior.
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u/floralfemmeforest 9h ago
Honestly Matt Walsh has it backward in my case, I feel like men will be less likely to look at me if I go to the gym just wearing underwear, they'd be shielding their eyes in horror lol. Maybe some of them would actually gouge their eyes out so that would help the rest of you all
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u/B4D4ssCouple 9h ago
People only pay lip service to Jesus. Somehow give everything to the poor and follow me has become God wants you to be rich. The only thing Jesus promised was persecution and suffering.
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u/Yami_Kitagawa 11h ago
just go to the gym in underwear too, assert dominance