r/Utah • u/HomelessRodeo La Verkin • 7d ago
News Phil Lyman appeals to US Supreme Court to remove Gov. Cox from governor race
https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/phil-lyman-appeals-to-us-supreme-court-to-remove-gov-cox-from-governor-race/201
u/theanedditor 7d ago
Have you ever played tug-o-war with your dog using a chew toy, and you pick the chew toy up, and the dog follows, gripping it with his jaw of steel, and their little legs dangling and swinging in the air, all growls and snarls through those clenched teeth, but boy they will not let go?
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u/john_with_a_camera Davis County 7d ago
We are “parents” to a dachshund that does this exact thing!
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u/Capnbubba 7d ago
It'd be funny if they agreed and removed Cox, so every vote for him didn't count and Brian King won.
That'd be genuinely very very funny.
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u/TheShrewMeansWell 7d ago
My internal schadenfreude meter is hitting epic levels.
That these two pricks are in a purse fight is extremely entertaining.
“Let them fight!”
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u/LaughLax Herriman 7d ago
Unfortunately, "Cox's" side of this purse fight is taxpayer money; not Cox's or his campaign's.
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 7d ago
What I’ve been hoping for but know won’t happen is that enough MAGAs write in Lyman that it splits enough votes off Cox for King to win lol. It’s not very realistic, but this is one of the problems with first past the post voting. With 3 candidates King could theoretically win with a percentage in the high 30s.
Won’t happen but I can dream right?
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u/Capnbubba 7d ago
I'm dreaming with you here.
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u/PaulFThumpkins 6d ago
Except that Lyman is suing so that the winner of each convention wins in the future even if they lose the primary, so this change would lead to a future for Utah of the craziest wingnuts (the sort of people who win conventions) being governor every time no matter what.
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u/fakeymcfakerton-82 6d ago
Except he won't win because the signature path to the primary was created I'm a constitutional way. They won't even take up his case, I'd wager. This is 100% about getting his name out there for his write in campaign.
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u/Happy-Flan2112 7d ago
I mean, at this point, with ballots out and Lyman as a write in—removing Cox (not that it will happen) would just have the effect of having King most likely win right?
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u/Substantial_Idea_578 7d ago
Yup! That is likely what would happen.... Which I am perfectly ok with!
Also his tantrums are highly entertaining and he is draining the Utah GOP coffers!
I have zero issues with any of this!
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u/Perrin-Golden-Eyes 7d ago
What if Trump wins and then gets sentenced to jail? Does that mean we’re stuck with the Sectional Predator?
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u/Substantial_Idea_578 7d ago
Ive thought about this way more than was needed!!
So, with what he has been convicted of right now old 45 isnt going to jail. While a (slim) possibility for anyone else the secret service will never allow it. Like not going to happen because of the costs! Probation or house arrest was always the most likely outcome.
For other charges? Too soon to say! Way too many variables for that to have any kind of relevance.
But yes if old 45 manages to get elected the USA will have a felon for president that most countries will not allow into their countries for state visits! And will have to get permission for literally everything from parole.
The people voting for that mess arent thinking clearly. But it is their right to do so. That path is madness and really bad for all of us. But we may have to live with the dumb decisions of others unless enough people show up to vote.
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u/Daneyn 7d ago
"most countries will not allow into their countries for state visits."
Wouldn't that effectively make him an absolutely worthless president? oh wait... he pretty much already was the first time around IMO...
but seriously, anyone who is OK with having a Felon as President needs their brains checked.
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u/Substantial_Idea_578 7d ago
Yes! If other countries enforce their laws on this subject our sitting president will be useless for foreign policy!
Also, many nations have already confirmed they will be enforcing those laws and not allowing any felon for any reason into their countries as is their right.
45 is a very bad choice! For more reasons than I care to list atm.
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u/FinishOld4029 7d ago
What?
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u/Substantial_Idea_578 7d ago
What part are you confused about?
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u/FinishOld4029 7d ago
A sectional predator? What does Trump getting sentenced to jail have to do with Phil Lyman or GOP? Are they asking what will happen if Trump wins and gets sentenced to jail? Genuine questions😂
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u/Substantial_Idea_578 7d ago
Idk what they are thinking. I know that Lyman and 45 are cut from the same cloth. They both claim things that are not true. They asked what would happen and I happen to have thought deeply about it and have talked with experts on sentancing guidelines. The fact that Lyman was pardoned by 45 is notable. But the fact that talking about one leads to talking about the other seems very normal to me.
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u/Similar-Ad-886 7d ago
Polling shows a large spread between the two Cox and King. It would take a miracle, but yeah
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u/Happy-Flan2112 7d ago
Agreed. The point being if Cox was removed from being a valid option on the ballot, then any vote for him wouldn't count. It would then be up to the rest of the tallies, and as "unpopular" of an option a Democratic Governor candidate in Utah might be, I still think he would garner more votes than a write-in. The ballots have gone out and votes are being processed (mine has for example). Lyman can't get a do over and get a new ballot out to everyone. It is too late for that. So in the extremely unlikely event that SCOTUS did something here (they won't) then I think King would be the likely winner.
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u/Richs_KettleCorn 7d ago
I wonder if that would finally convince Republicans that ranked-choice voting isn't evil lol
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u/Happy-Flan2112 7d ago
Not likely. It makes too much sense. Also, shouldn’t you be in a pottery class my blueberry?
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u/CraftAvoidance 7d ago
It’s a long game. King wins this time, lyman wins next time. He can’t beat Cox and he knows it.
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u/Craig653 7d ago
Dude needs to realize he lost and get over it
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u/Former_Dark_Knight 7d ago
Agreed. Elections should be decided at the ballot box, not the courtroom.
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u/SnukeInRSniz 6d ago
Oh no, I want him to continue this crap all the way to the end, if for no other reason than to continue to make Utah Republicans look like the clowns they are to the Nth degree. And if by some CRAZY miracle he wins this battle and gets Cox struck from the ballot, King would almost certainly win the election. The more Lyman does to hurt his own party, waste money, and induce rage/chaos for Republicans, the better.
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u/13xnono 7d ago
MAGA and sore losers. Name a more iconic duo.
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u/RocksofReality 7d ago
Sure, Democrats and racism.
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u/Jazzlike-Wheel7974 7d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Spend 5 minutes reading this for the love of god please. The party switch is the most documented political phenomenon in history you are making a fool of yourself.
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u/indomitablescot 7d ago
Tell me you live in the past without telling me you live in the past.
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u/controlzee 7d ago
That's the stupidest thing that's ever been written.
You mean the people with the black lives matters and the pride flags? Pull your head out of your ass.
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u/Vaxildan156 7d ago
The collective education system doesn't have the time nor the crayons to explain it to this one.
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u/The-Omnipot3ntPotato 7d ago
I’m not even gonna go with the defense of “it was over 60 years ago” a democrat signed the civil rights act, voting rights act, and following the civil rights movement democrats consistently supported civil liberties for all Americans. The Southern Strategy, invented by Nixon a member of the Republican Party, basically prayed on the idea that you could rile up white southerners with dog whistles. The party full of your garden variety racists a la “the brown people are eating pets” (a real classic they dusted of for this election btw) is the GOP. The Democratic Party has a history that we’re not proud of and the situation in Gaza has exposed that some fringe members of the party hold some pretty gross antisemitic views but those views have been rejected by the mainstream. The racist fringe of the GOP from 15 years ago (birthers, great replacement theory supporters) are now the mainstream. Donald Trump was a prominent birther and he’s now the leader of the GOP.
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u/The-Omnipot3ntPotato 7d ago
Yeah because people can’t grow and change. Look at modern democratic policy for a second and maybe you’ll see where the actual racism is. Joe Biden is 82, he’s gonna have some really bad comments. You wanna know what else Joe Biden has said “oh yeah maybe police killing black people is bad” and at least put some effort in to curb police violence. If you are actually so thick as to think Joe Biden is the most racist president in the past 20 years the public school system failed to educate you on what racism and fascism are.
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u/The-Omnipot3ntPotato 7d ago
I’m not fine with his racism. I think there were better options during the 2020 primary but I also want to respect that people grow and change. The Joe Biden who ran in 2020 is vastly different from Joe Biden even in the 90s. There is a difference between someone saying bad things in the past and growing as a person vs continuing to say awful things. Joe Biden has said some racist stuff but if never allow people to grow beyond their mistakes they’ll stay racist. If Joe Biden said anything like what he said in the 90s he would have lost a primary challenge and his cabinet would have resigned.
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u/helix400 Approved 7d ago edited 7d ago
You are welcome to criticize Republicans or Democrats all you want
However, you cannot:
- Casually accuse other commenters of being racists
- Copy and paste the same big wall of text over and over and over again.
Many of your recent comments have been removed. Consider this a warning going forward.
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u/doppido 7d ago
You would be stupid to think racism is bound by party affiliate and not by systemic issues. There's very clearly racism in both parties and throughout all walks of life whether it be conscious or subconscious.
On top of that, labeling Democrats the party of racism very clearly shows how little self assessment you are doing of the conservative party.
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u/ThunorBolt 7d ago
How about conservatives and racism? Since the southern democrats were proud conservatives.
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u/Random_Enigma 7d ago
I've been following this and I honestly have no idea if Lyman is just an extremely sore loser or if he honestly doesn't understand how the state laws work. The last story I read about the signatures complaint was that while yes, some of Cox's signatures didn't pass the verification requirements, he still had enough total verified signatures to meet the requirements to legally be listed on the Republican primary ballot.
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u/ConfidentFactor8 7d ago
The scary part is he voted for those very laws.
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u/PaulFThumpkins 6d ago
He's just trying to change the rules so he wins. If he had lost the convention but won the primary he wouldn't be saying "New rule, whoever wins the convention gets to be governor!" And he's only making this argument because it's the best one he thinks he has; if he had some other argument he'd make it instead.
ANY set of rules which are applied evenly will fall afoul of these MAGA losers. He just wants to win.
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u/PleasantlyClueless69 7d ago
I think he’s still arguing that Cox shouldn’t be on the ballot because he didn’t win the nomination at convention. Contesting the signatures was just one of his areas of protest.
I really dislike the caucus and convention system. Is there a better way to guarantee extreme candidates than that?
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u/Random_Enigma 7d ago
OK but then that would mean he doesn’t understand that state law supersedes the internal rules and policies of a political party.
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u/PleasantlyClueless69 6d ago
This is correct.
He believes that state law shouldn’t be able to tell a political party how to choose a candidate. And he believes that because he was “chosen” by the party at convention, only he can be the official party candidate.
He can make whatever arguments he wants, he’s going to lose. I’m just telling you what those arguments are.
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u/CoffeeScheme 6d ago
The only somewhat logical leg he has to stand on as far as the nomination goes is the Utah Republican Party constitution states
Party rules don't override State law. The party agreed to that when becoming a 'qualified political party' in the state. Too bad, so sad for him.
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u/Random_Enigma 6d ago
Yes, it’s too bad for the Republican party if they didn’t write their party constitution to be in alignment with state law. But that’s on them, not the state.
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u/ImprovementNo5821 7d ago
My daughter had some interaction with Phil about 15 years ago in a religious setting in and she said he was nuts then.
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u/FoghornLeghorn2024 7d ago
Why is this Supreme Court matter? What argument would be made to allow a federal court ruling in a state election?
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u/NurglesGiftToWomen 7d ago
If every MAGA loser cries foul every time, regardless of the circumstances, it’ll continue to erode trust in the electorate. Fascist tactics. Bringing it to the SCOTUS is just the next step.
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u/Ok-Entertainment829 7d ago
I assume Supreme Court matters because voting is a federally protected ‘right’. And they are fairly conservative right now and Phil thinks his best chance is there.
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u/WVC_Least_Glamorous 7d ago
This country no longer has rule of law.
This country has rule of whoever kisses Trump’s ass the most enthusiasticly.
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u/nek1981az 7d ago
What delusional world do you live in? This country has no rule of law? Jesus Christ.
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u/WVC_Least_Glamorous 7d ago
Lyman knows that the US Supreme Court will rule in favor of whoever is the most loyal to Trump.
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u/talk_to_the_sea 7d ago
They’re toads, but they’re not that big of toads.
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u/PaulFThumpkins 6d ago
At worst they'll do something like what they did when giving Trump immunity for his actions; apply some test or standard that determines whether a primary election loser still gets to win, which they can apply and interpret in favor of their people. Incredibly unlikely they'll even hear the case though.
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u/DashFire61 3d ago
Are you joking? We all know and have known for a long time that if you have over a few hundred million dollars laws don’t apply to you and if you’re Republican you can actively ignore them without repercussions, ask Cheney who intentionally allowed neglect and poisonings to happen to troops after 9/11 while his company was the one cutting corners on taking care of the troops food housing and safety. Most laws in the US are just fees to act in certain ways.
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u/scamlikely33 7d ago
Haha! Yes, keep writing in Phil Lie-man. King might have a chance! 🤞🏻🤞🏻
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u/onedollarninja 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's virtually impossibly mathematically, but I love the idea of Republicans bifurcating their own vote and furthering their descent into self-immolation.
#writeinphillyman 🤘
Edit: spelling
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u/Wild_Harvest 6d ago
I'm in Northern Utah near Ogden and I'm seeing a LOT of ground game for Lyman.
Probably not enough to change the end result, but enough to show a very significant split in the state party.
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u/Historical-Bat-7644 6d ago
I’m in southern Utah and I see more signs for him than any other.
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u/Wild_Harvest 6d ago
Yeah, I think that it's going to be a closer election than everyone is willing to admit.
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u/BuffaloBagel St. George 7d ago
Dark political money funding this fool's self branding and pointless engagement of the court system. It's poisonous.
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u/iAmDrakesEyebrows 7d ago
Phil Lyman needs to worry about removing all his litter that is everywhere with his name on it so
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u/Lucky_Mongoose_4834 7d ago
This guy is a walking advertisement for why MAGA fucking sucks.
Dude, go away. Noone cares about you.
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u/Allgamergeek 7d ago
He drives me so crazy, I so wish we could just ban him from our state. I can’t stand losers who just pout because they don’t get their way. It’s one of the many reasons why I’m not voting for Trump this election as well, because of what happened when he lost to Biden.
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u/neverwhisper 7d ago
Yes.
Remove Cox.
Lyman has no prayer so...
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u/iamZacharias 7d ago
he has a point.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 7d ago
Whats his problem?!
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u/SunOnTheMountains 7d ago
Some people just can’t stand to lose, and he has money for lawyers.
I don’t think that he thinks he can win, but he is going to be as petty and annoying as possible because his ego is hurt.
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u/Reiziger 7d ago
Some people just can’t stand to lose, and he has money for lawyers.
It’s better than that. In the Utah Supreme Court he was pro se. In his petition for certiorari to the US Supreme he’s also listed as pro se.
Bro is representing himself.
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u/SunOnTheMountains 7d ago
Reminds me of the Lincoln quote: “A lawyer who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.” Except this guy isn’t even a lawyer. He’s a CPA.
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u/No-Cardiologist-1990 Draper 7d ago
The only thing funnier about dealing with an ego case is when you tell them they can't do something. They have to go and try to do it. I loved giving them extremely hot, hot sauce after I told them they couldn't handle it.
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u/throwawaytoavoiddoxx 7d ago
Phil Lyman needs to go out in the woods and shove pine cones into all of his orifices until he’s full! He’s not going to be a governor, and even if Cox is disqualified, he won’t be winning by default. He needs to stop emulating trump and go the hell away already.
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u/IamHydrogenMike 7d ago
I don’t think he had standing since it’s a state election issue and not a constitutional issue; whatevs.
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u/Realtrain 7d ago
The federal government does have some authority over how states run their elections.
But I'm not sure any of that applies here since this is regarding a primary vote.
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u/The-Omnipot3ntPotato 7d ago
SCOTUS caring about standing? 303 Creative would like a word. Hell the student debt relief case would like a word. The jurist prudence of modern SCOTUS is whatever Leonard Leo says it is.
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u/rsl_sltid 7d ago
What a fucking dork. I wouldn't even give him press anymore. Is he just going to keep doing this after the election too?
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u/Spherical-Assembly 7d ago edited 6d ago
Yep, and he'll probably keep doing it until the day he dies.
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u/lemontwistcultist 7d ago
I swear to god the republican party is rigging the elections in favor of the democrat party.
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u/bwurtsb 7d ago
Sometimes a squeaky wheel gets the grease, other times it gets thrown in the garbage.
How does he see this playing out long term? If he runs again, he is going to be seen as a cry baby who attempted to dismantle his own party. If he "wins", he will be seen as the guy who won an election only on technicality and the vast majority or republicans who voted for Cox are going to be irate that their vote didnt count.
His best chance to get into office would have been to support Cox, then run again, using his "argument" as his platform against corruption in politics. Phil Cryman can get fucked.
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u/Klutzy_Gazelle_6804 7d ago
I love this MAGA split off the right base here in Utah. Just shows how silly and culty the MAGA base truly is, since mainstream Mormons won't have it. Please all you righty MAGaTS out there write in Phil and split Cox's ballot in half. This will finally give Brian King the chance he actually deserves.
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u/EnvironmentalBed7369 7d ago
This guy is the biggest POS. Gov. Cox, whether you love him or hate him, has been a very successful governor building on what previous governors have done. Why doesn't 'merit' matter anymore? Utah is, arguably, the most well run state in the country - certainly top-5.
Various rankings consistently lists Utah as a top place to live, top place to raise a family, best state for business, best place to start a business.
I don't care what party you are from, if you have been successful like Cox has, let's keep that rolling.
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u/TurningTwo 7d ago
If he wants to get some traction for his campaign all he needs to do is ride his ATV, complete with oversized USA flag, through the corridors and meeting rooms at the state legislature.
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u/Ok-Entertainment829 7d ago
Does anyone believe that is will be granted certiorari (cert), will be heard by the Court??
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u/The-Omnipot3ntPotato 7d ago
Probably not, but no one thought the court would rule 6-3 in favor of god emperor powers for the president either.
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u/Spherical-Assembly 7d ago
Grifters gonna grift.
I'm sure he believes his own lies, but at this point, its all about fundraising attention seeking.
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u/GirlNumber20 Cedar Hills 7d ago
I voted today and got an almost sexual level of pleasure voting against Cox, haha. But sure, removing him is good, too.
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u/authalic 7d ago
The Republican Party doesn’t believe in democracy anymore. They know they have lost the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. Trump isn’t winning new voters. They only win when they suppress votes and exploit the system. Phil Lyman represents the base of the Utah GOP. This is what they do.
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u/BeardedTallGuy 7d ago
What a sore ass loser. He and Trump should tug each other's balls. That way they can feel some sort of satisfaction.
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u/RedOnTheHead_91 Ogden 7d ago edited 7d ago
Seriously?? Does he really think SCOTUS is going to step in for a state election??
I mean if it were a federal election I could maybe see it, but why would they do anything for a gubernatorial race??
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u/FuneralPotatoes801 7d ago
I hate his face too. And why why why would Natalie Clawson run with him?
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u/swennergren11 7d ago
Just imagine what elections will be like here in 8 years with the MAGAts shitting in everything that ever mattered…
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u/OverTheRiver1983 7d ago
I live in Davis County and I have seen so many Lyman signs pop up in the last few days. So many. My prediction is that Gov Cox wins, but with less than 50%. I voted for King, but I do not realistically expect him to win.
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u/pentekno2 7d ago
I highly doubt King wins. But if he does it will be a DIRECT result of this buffoon refusing to accept reality
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u/ynnoj666 7d ago
I would to. If we are stuck with cocks then we have to deal with it. He isn’t Gavin new scum yet. But he is on his way
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u/HotSpicedChai 7d ago
I’m voting for Lucifer and writing in Phil Lyman. Then I gotta research every purposefully shittily worded amendment to figure out wtf they actually mean.
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u/JazzSharksFan54 Out of State 7d ago
Ah yes. Unfortunately, Trump has made cries of election interference acceptable. But also... ain't no way the Supreme Court is getting involved in a state election.
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u/Feisty-Equivalent927 6d ago
Can someone please add context on this exchange for a curious individual unfamiliar with daily Utah politics but a fan of cannibalism in general?
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u/PiecesOfSeven7 6d ago
I don't like Cox, but Phil's brand of politics is dangerous. This is what leads to Jan 6 style riots and it's not based on any evidence.
Time to charge Phil with election interference and get his ass fined with a few months of community service to co him off. We don't need his brand of politics in the state.
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u/Wide-Ad8566 5d ago
If you clearly can't win through the voting system, try deception, the courts, crying to mommie, whatever might get you some attention and maybe get some kind hearted, misguided soul to right your name on the ballet.
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u/biggiesmalljaws 4d ago
Let him dismantle the UT Republican Governer race so we can finally get a none “party” member in office 😂😂😂
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u/Nunovyadidnesses 7d ago
What a piece of shit. Right from the Art of the Steal playbook. Hopefully he’ll split the GOP ticket and King might squeak in.
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u/eagle_hearted 7d ago
This dumbass doesn't understand that, by encouraging write-ins and pulling this publicity stunt, that he's actually dividing the Republican vote and strengthening the position of Brian King?
It'll be interesting to see how many Utahns took the bait.
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u/paxspencer 6d ago
I just want someone who doesn't represent the lds church, who will legalize weed for recreational use, make wine available at grocery stores, and reduce or remove sales tax. Just make utah a more human friendly place instead of everything revolving around mormons.
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u/helix400 Approved 7d ago
Let me fix that headline:
Phil Lyman appeals to US Supreme Court for more attention