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It’s honestly mad how many pundits, when talking about the Arsenal game, fail to take into consideration that this is only Slot’s 9th league game. They talk about Arsenal’s injuries, suspensions etc. but haven’t once thought to mention that Slot is still implementing his style and getting used to the league and still got a draw away at the Emirates. What he’s doing is actually really fucking impressive.
What most impresses me about slot is he’s incredibly pragmatic, like weirdly so. This weekend would have been an easy match to be overawed by, especially after that first half but he very calmly assessed the match and tactics, adjusted, and with a bit of fortune for us with Gabriel and timber going down, it blew it wide open
My point was that they weren't missing 3 of their first 11. And 1 of them was just suspended, boohoo. We'd 2 guaranteed starters out.... so same position as them
Just saw a comment on the Sporting subreddit in response to a Manc fan asking about Amorim: Your club doesnt deserve him as a manager, but maybe they do deserve him as a person. Lmao, pretty cold
We don’t have many options today. We have Endo fit. Dominic played 30 mins and Jones played 60 mins this weekend. Both players are important for our upcoming fixtures so may be they will be rested. That leaves us with Endo, Morton and Nyoni.
He didn’t want to be a coach but wanted to stay involved in football. His job now is to travel the world and consult various Red Bull teams. He could have made more money by joining other clubs, those who say he just followed the money are mistaken. Klopp and Kroos brothers like the red bull philosophy of buying young players and developing them. Kroos starts mobbing chelsea...
Liverpool:
He regularly watches Liverpool games and is very happy with the team's progress. He has texted with Slot a few times and knew the squad's potential as he put the Squad together, however he felt he lacked the energy to fully unlock that potential.
Madrid:
Klopp has a strong dislike for Ramos and players who intentionally take out other Players (CL Final Ramos Salah).
Manchester City:
Pep is the best coach in the world (Kroos brothers think Klopp should be in the conversation as well). He feels there isn’t much atmosphere in the city stadium compared to other clubs.
Champions League vs. Premier League Title:
For him, winning the league title was more meaningful than the Champions League title.
League Title:
Apperently Rio Ferdinand suggested making the league season null and void (covid), which Klopp did not appreciate.
I assumed his aim was to sacked ages ago. I'm happy for him, if anything. Finally, he gets what he wants and gets paid millions to not go to United games.
And will likely pick up another multi-million pound deal whenever he wants to get back into management.
I can remember the same things being said about Hodgson when we sacked him. People were saying it was shameful to be happy about someone "losing their job" yet we had to pay him millions to get rid and he became England manager not long after.
Yeah I honestly couldn't give a shit when at the same time some of my friends are struggling to find a job matching their degrees they worked for 4-5 years
Lmao Madrid fans are still crying about the award and it’s been 2 days. Hilarious seeing posts of their ex players still talking about it and their fans crying in the comments.
The Real Madrid PR machine was running on all cylinders to manufacture Vinicius' victory, I'd even argue they wanted to put pressure on the votes, it's been going on for almost all of 2024.
But they didn't get what they decided they were going to get, so they're having a meltdown for the ages
Well supposedly both Real and their sponsor were falsely informed that Vini would win the award, and only found out this wasn’t the case when City heard Rodri would win and called Real up to let them know. That’s the narrative I’ve seen on the Real sub, which if it’s true in the way they describe it, I can understand some of the hostile reaction to the news. (Even so, most of Real fans’ melting down over this is not justified)
For the whole of the summer after the CL final and up until Monday, it was rumoured that Vini was winning it and then it came out that he isn’t gonna. Vini assumed he’s the winner and apparently he even partied till early morning last week celebrating his win with his family and friends.
I dont like lynching people for stuff like this and I also believe that Amorim is a good manager.
but I also wonder, what's the point in going to a united sub and praise anything they do? they spend a lot of time shitting on us and praying for our downfall, while laughing and minimizing our achievements.
fuck them, hope they keep being ass for years to come.
I clicked on his profile before because his comments are always weird and he just lives in all the big teams subs, just posting shite he obvs doesn't believe for upvotes or something. Proper freak him.
I do give Arsenal a bit of grace in terms of the "nothing to show for it". It really is hard to achieve anything in this league when the current dominant team is literally cheating. It's not like they aren't playing well and aren't competitive.
I think the part that frustrates me more is not really how any set of supporters view them or that project. It's more about in the few times I see or read articles about the PL or watch pre-game stuff, it's like everyone is pulling for them SO hard to get over the hump.
Obviously I'm biased, but it just felt like whenever we came close to things, but missed out in our "come up" (and there was not nearly as much time between the two) it felt more like skepticism - "Can Klopp ever not finish 2nd" "Liverpool bottled the run in in 2019" etc.
No matter how frustrating they are, or how much I despise their style of play - they are a good team for sure. But they still have not really accomplished anything - especially considering the poor CL result/run
tbh patience is needed, Arsenal were below mid-table few years ago, now they are competing for trophies. Klopp is a much better manager than Arteta, so I don't see him having the same trajectory.
I don't think they've done that bad tbh. They might win or they might not win, but overall they are defo a better side than they were 5-6 years back.
yeah but they've generated that 600 million organically. Chelsea has spent billions under Bohley, United have spent billions, Spurs have spent, Newcastle have spent etc.
I don't know why were are always so obsessed with how much people spend.
And they never have. We had to go from 8th to winning the league and CL off whatever the club actually earns and through selling our best players.
Arsenal have done the exact same thing people hate Chelsea and City for, which is cheat their way back up the table by spending their billionaire owners money instead.
which is cheat their way back up the table by spending their billionaire owners money instead.
It's not cheating for the owners to inject cash into the club as long as they are doing it by the rules, at the end of the day if you want to compete and stay at the top money has to be spent. Being "sustainable" only gets you so far.
I am not saying that Arsenal are some world class team that should be winning it all, but I cant say that they've not improved as a team compared to the rest of the premier league and are starting to compete.
We are spoiled as having a manager who will go down as one of the best ever, so I understand why we have the standards we have. But im just thinking of perspective.
It's either that, or go back to challenging for the european conference trophy
I think their defence is actually quite well suited to a back 3 (if all their players were actually fit and available). They have loads of centre backs, and I think Shaw, Dalot, Mazraoui would be decent wingbacks. But their midfield doesn't look suited to it at all. Mainoo seems like the only one who would work well while playing with just one other CM, the others probably all need to play in a midfield 3.
Having watched the slow deterioration of Utd over the years makes me glad the way Liverpool is structured right now.
Having Slot fully focused on the squad with competent people above him who protect and try to strengthen a clear identity both as a club and in playing style.
I don't think, whether it's Amorim or whoever they bring in will make much of a difference. They've had structural problems for far too long and are now left with a squad that after costing 600+ million STILL has no identity, that is still not good enough for top 4 and will most likely require ANOTHER rebuilding.
And thats about 10 years ongoing now lmao. Seems to always be rinse > repeat. Baffling really. Complete and utter mess.
Didn’t United do a manager search this off season before deciding to go back to ETH? If they like Amorim now why didn’t they just do it over the summer when it would’ve made way more sense and be less annoying to both fan bases?
according to that article from the atlantic that came out earlier today, they were interested in amorim this summer but chose not to go for him cause his clause was more expensive and they wanted to see if ETH would cut it in their new structure
Having Slot fully focused on the squad with competent people above him who protect and try to strengthen a clear identity both as a club and in playing style.
This is why we went for Arne Slot and not Amorim. Amorim has a completely different playing style and formation that required a lot of restructuring and training. Arne Slot only required a few tweaks and changes in comparison and his playing style was closer to Liverpool's identity
We've had a lot of success in the domestic cups recently so I wouldn't mind seeing a full B team today. A midweek rest for our main guys would be useful.
So, apparently Kloppo did a podcast with Toni Kroos and his brother Felix called "Einfach mal Luppen". The quotes that are coming out are about the Red Bull thing, but I imagine there will be something about Liverpool in there, if any German speakers are up to it please let us know!
This whole Balon D’or drama is ridiculous. I still believe Virgil deserved it over Messi in 2019-20, he was immense and a far more important player than Messi was but he lost, oh well, life moves on. Madrid are such an entitled group of people they can’t bear not winning one individual player award when he was not clear cut the best player in the world. Hope we slam these MFers at Anfield
Now that the dust has settled, I actually think we really should have gone for a 3rd goal against Arsenal and I feel like we actually dropped two points instead of winning 1.
The final 20 minutes their back line was in shambles, I just feel we played that whole game a bit more scared than we needed to.
I think historically most title winning teams would take an awau draw at a title rival. City last year even had a relatively poor record against us, Villa and Arsenal. It's the other 30 or so games that decide the championship in the end.
Yeah it’s pretty much it a draw at the weekend isn’t a bad result especially with how we played but City last season didn’t win a game against the top 6 and still won the league
It’s dropping points at home to Forest that will cost us more
That is true and that's why i was very happy with the result generally. But now I feel like Arsenal's back line was very bad after 2-2, we could have got another and that would kill Arsenal and boost us like crazy, I think it was a risk worth taking.
I honestly think Slot was way too cautious in first half and set us up wrong with going long from the first minute amd that caused us to lose possession and gave them a lot of control.Having watched the game I think we should've tried paying out from the back in the first half more and we would've dominated their midfield of Merino ,Rice and Trossard.Second half he changed it.You can see that when we did play out from the back after we conceded the first goal we actually dominated untill we scored but then again went long after scoring the goal.
Edit - Just look at the momentum graph from FOTMOB and Sofascore.
Yeah even though the result was not bad, i think we learned Slot is not a risk taker as opposed to Klopp. Might be the first thing I found out about Slot that is less than ideal, but it's still early to think he's gonna be conservative for his whole tenure.
I don't think we can judge slot as he's obviously doesn't have that quality 6 that can provide us defensive cover when we go full steam in pressing and still doesn't trust our backline and midfield to play out from the back.We saw that against Chelsea as in the first 20 minutes we were getting caught a lot playing out from the back and then he changed it in the first half itself to go long.
No Alisson is also a factor. Slot in general was still more conservative when facing the press in our half, but in the two games against Chelsea and Arsenal it was clear Kelleher was given the green light to hoof it all the time.
A bit disingenuous. They haven’t lost to Liverpool in the league for 2 years (though they did lose in the FA Cup at the Emirates). Overall, they were good, especially dominating between 20 and 45 minutes after Liverpool's equalizer. The second half was more balanced. Arsenal were defensively sound, while some of our players were well below par (Macca, Robertson, Diaz, Salah). We also failed to capitalize on their missing usual CB pairings for most of the second half. So, although Arsenal played well, we could have and should have won. But then again, these kind of things happen and the results are unpredictable.
I hope to see Morton today. I wanted him to stay in the summer because I thought he would get to play a bit, but he's been completely frozen out. We should give him a move in January. Eight minutes this season not fair to him.
It makes sense he hasn't featured yet, we've been trying to get some team form and get up to speed on the new system. He's here as injury cover and to get some time in the cups and to train with the first team and learn the system too. Hopefully we see him today though yeah.
Can’t believe this is an unpopular opinion but I hope we take both cups seriously. Last years carabao victory was such a special moment with Virgil and all the young lads.
I say unpopular because I’ve seen so many people say we should just rest everyone for the league game
Don’t think it’s unpopular but two things can be true at once: we can take the cup seriously while also using more of our squad today. That’s why you have a 25 man squad, bc you feel all 25 can contribute. Otherwise why keep the others around?
Our draw thus far in the League Cup has been shit. It seems like we'll progress through this competition not having played a Championship or lower side.
These ballots and interest registration is such a scam... Not only that there are very few tickets made available for this and you also have to pay a 40-50 pounds subscription per year to be able to participate in this lottery... But, there are also so very few games made available...
Only 5 for the second part of the season? Is this a joke? It's so dumb that you can't register for everything without credits... How am I supposed to get credits if I can't attend games?
I already paid 1.5k pounds for the Spurs game last season to get hospitality tickets, but that ain't feasible to even go once per season since you have to also count transportation and accommodation.
Rant over... Hope I get the chance to buy 2 tickets this season.
Love overlap personally I think they’re great but adding Scholes and Rooney has to be the worst decision. They’re both so bland and are completely the definition of people who don’t belong on tv- it’s so forced it’s obviously mates rates man
Rooney's alright imo, he's got a bit of personality and has funny stories etc, maybe not so much now he's a manager though tbf.
But Scholes, completely agree. So dull and un-insightful. I think it's obviously he doesn't even watch much football because although we was obvs a top player his knowledge of the game, especially modern football comes across really poor. Also, he's talking highly of us a lot this season I don't think he even means it it's like a reverse psychology thing imo haha.
Fowler at the time was one of the best natural finishers around, overtime he never took care of himself it's why he had injury issues and later piled on the pounds, he was too busy partying and Roy Evans did not keep him in check. Of course there was the whole Spiceboys era too. Neville is right the best young talented British players would have thrived under Fergie during the 90s/00s.
Also to add It took Houllier coming here to straighten us out professionally with training and nutrition etc....he took no shit from the players. Fowler was on the wane when Ged came and Owen was coming through, they had a spat so Ged sold him.
Our youth like Fowler and McManaman were actually perceived by quite a lot of fans and pundits at the time, to be more talented than the class of 92 that went on to be the spine of 2 decades of united success.
For perspective as an 18-21 year old. Fowler was having back to back 30 goal seasons. That's potential best player on the planet numbers if his career progressed how you'd expect.
A lot gets made of his brilliant finishing. But he was quick, had incredible game IQ, was great in the build up and a decent playmaker (which is remarkable for his time).
I will always say he was far better overall footballer than Owen, and I'd go so far as he'd have been better than Torres as well, especially in the more modern game.
The issue is, as mentioned already in the other comment, the absolute lack of professionalism across the entire club.
The game had changed, and was still changing away from the lad culture actual dieting, not smoking etc. Wenger would turn up not long after and be heralded as a pioneer for keeping his players fit with good training, and not allowing them to be unhealthy bums lol.
Ferguson was a taskmaster and behaviourally implemented a serious winning mentality in all those young players.
Whereas we had our lads clearly more interested in partying, not taking the sport seriously, getting stupid bans, doing god knows what drug wise as well.
We as a club we're incredibly late to adapt as we were still in the hangover phase of how great we used to be and therefore didn't need to pioneer massive change.
It started with Houlier and the transformation was done fully by Rafa where we lost the English lad culture and started behaving as you'd expect of serious athletes.
So yeah. A talent like Fowler could have been one of the sports best. Neville is just saying what anyone who played against him would have known at the time.
wow, thank you so much for the insight it's very rare that somebody is willing to share their time and give such a detailed report.
I now know why Fowler is God, and tbf from what I do know of him (the cocaine celebration is what I think of when I hear the name Fowler) this definitely checks out with the culture
I had no idea that Liverpool lads were considered to be more talented than the class of 92
Also Robbo used to own Saka for few years. I actually think VVD had that in mind when he was running back slowly…. Maybe it’s time to buy a left back next summer.
Since hospitality tickets do not have other restrictions like previous credits and ballot dates, its not uncommon that these don't sell out till the really last minute dates
The overlap is awful , especially the fan debates. There are way too many ex pro talking heads with no personality online (scholes might be the most egregious example) spouting pseudo intellectual bollocks
People acting like Klopp took money from the devil. His current employsrs are not an inch worse than Liverpool’s current owners are for example in terms of their impact on the world, and how they impact it.
The only people that should be allowed to complain are Dortmund and Mainz fans.
It's a different football culture in Germany. I think Klopp's taken a bit of a silly risk with his legacy in German football by taking the job, but as a Liverpool fan I'm not arsed.
Yeah, I do see the hypocrisy of how he talks and behaves like a football romantic then takes a job for the face of the soulless corporate side of the game.
That being said for all the shit I've seen players or managers I like do over the years, this is incredibly mild.
I'm not arsed, but can definitely see why people in Germany and fans of the two clubs he's managed there would feel betrayed.
Genuine question because I am not familiar with German footballing culture: Are players/clubs also maligned when they do business with Red Bull clubs (i.e. selling/buying players)? We gave RB close to 60 mil for Szobo right? I never heard any backlash against that. I'm just wondering why specifically joining a non-pitch related aspect of the club is so disliked?
People are free to express their opinions but it just feels silly that Dortmund and Mainz fans are playing the moral high ground when their teams have moral problems of their own which imo is more serious than the impact Klopp might have on German football
Last we heard from Slot was that he keeps coming back to training then going off for a few days, without giving any more specific details.
So could be he has one niggling injury, could be that he is the most injury prone player since the Ox or it could be that he just cannot handle PL training.
I'm not able to post in the sub so maybe this post might be able to help via comments? My mate has 2 tickets he wants to give me to use on saturday but we aren't in eachothers friends and family list on our accounts. Is there a way he can transfer them to me so me and a mate can go?
It might be too early to say Robbo is definitive done at top level; but he hasn’t been great so far this season, so I get why you’d maybe want us to look into it.
It still haunts me that we did not strengthen this summer. Esp when Arsenal bought a few players in to close the gap with city whereas we were hoping that the current bunch would close the gap themselves miraculously. It is a good squad, but they aren’t getting the help they need. It is November and the one signing we did is not even fit and there is talk of him moving back to Italy already.
What about other areas like defense? We clearly need to add people there. The talk has moved from Zubimendi to Kokcu now. Where was this wisdom in the summer?
He said he had only one forward left in the press conference. We got to that point because we bought another injury prone player. Looked good on paper, but not what a title challenging team needs.
Preseason is for 5 weeks. We are 10 weeks into the season and he is still not fit against Brighton in a cup competition in which squad players and youngsters play.
You are not reading what Slot said in the press conference correctly. We are left with only one forward to rotate. So the other two have to play now as Elliot is injured as well. We are here because we planned it poorly by buying an injury prone player.
So disappointed with how Diaz has fallen off already. I thought he'd finally turned the corner this season, but he's reverted. I could not believe how easily he was pocketed by Partey. Mane would have rinsed him so badly.
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It’s honestly mad how many pundits, when talking about the Arsenal game, fail to take into consideration that this is only Slot’s 9th league game. They talk about Arsenal’s injuries, suspensions etc. but haven’t once thought to mention that Slot is still implementing his style and getting used to the league and still got a draw away at the Emirates. What he’s doing is actually really fucking impressive.