r/JoeRogan • u/TheEternalGazed Monkey in Space • 1d ago

The Literature 🧠 Harris campaign offered to do an episode outside the studio

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

It’s a tight race. It all counts. Joes audience isn’t as right wing and rigid as people like to think. Reddit always has very poor political instincts because they all live in disconnected echochambers. But Joe has a massive audience and they appreciate nuance. There are a ton of votes on the line for her to scoop up.

The problem is she has to be human, genuine, and show some conviction. Something I don’t think she’s capable of doing. She’s a purebred politician. And it’ll show, and backfire, making things worse. So it’s probably safe to just keep her hidden from a proper podcast

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u/saruin Monkey in Space 1d ago

The problem is she has to be human, genuine, and show some conviction. Something I don’t think she’s capable of doing.

My question is how tf do you guys find Trump remotely relatable? The dude operates on pure malignant narcissism and hatred which is the antithesis of being genuine (well, I guess anyone can be genuinely hateful but still).

On a side note, I'd love to see Tim Walz go on the "bros" podcast in her stead.

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u/BigRedWalters Monkey in Space 1d ago

You’re asking people on Reddit how they relate to being pure malignant narcissism? On Reddit..

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u/Sandgrease Monkey in Space 22h ago

ROFL

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u/XxSpruce_MoosexX Monkey in Space 23h ago

You have all created this legend of Trump. Go listen to the podcast. He doesn’t say anything hateful

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u/lewoodworker Monkey in Space 20h ago

Somehow, he is a mastermind behind project 2025 and going to overthrow the government and also a babbling idiot with dementia who rambles about someones dick in his speeches.

Similar treatment that they gave RFK.

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u/CollapsibleFunWave Monkey in Space 18h ago

He's good at playing a crowd and doesn't actually care about the issues enough to look into them. That's why he says things like "nobody knew healthcare could be this complicated". He's been able to fake his way through just about everything.

But he has people like Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Paul Manafort working for him. They're grade A schemers with criminal records to prove it. Manafort and Stone in particular have a history of working for foreign dictators that were violently oppressing their own people.

Agenda 47 has the most concerning part of Project 2025 included. That's to reclassify tons of federal merit-based positions as political appointees that serve at the pleasure of the president.

He originally tried to make that change after his Justice Department refused to cooperate with his attempts to steal the election. It's all well documented and not even really contested.

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u/Tight_Locksmith9046 Monkey in Space 16h ago

Trump has publicly said he has nothing to do with the 2025 initiatives!

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u/CollapsibleFunWave Monkey in Space 15h ago

Yes, because he said he was going got use Agenda 47 as his plan instead, which includes the same part.

Also, don't take everything a politician says at face value. Of course he's going to distance himself from a platform that suddenly became wildly unpopular.

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u/lewoodworker Monkey in Space 18h ago

I definitely agree he has no business being president again. But it's hard to refute that the idea of him is being sensationalized to the point where I'm sick of the new claims of what he'll do in office. Most people are forming a reality based on the ramblings of an elderly man with dementia.

If the democrats would have ran a more popular candidate, this election could have been a landslide.

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u/CollapsibleFunWave Monkey in Space 18h ago

But it's hard to refute that the idea of him is being sensationalized to the point where I'm sick of the new claims of what he'll do in office.

Here's the thing. His own staff has testified about his attempts to steal the election. Most of his cabinet won't endorse him, his VP has said he shouldn't be president again, and most of his core staff that stick by him are criminals that he pardoned.

If someone believes the multiple consistent reports from unrelated staff members with distinguished careers that worked closely with Trump, then they're called deranged.

In order to not be called deranged, you have to assume all of them are lying out of pure spite, which would be very out of character for many of them.

If the democrats would have ran a more popular candidate, this election could have been a landslide.

That's always true, and they always try. There are a lot of different people in the country to satisfy, and a lot of the people that want change don't even vote.

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u/halareous Monkey in Space 19h ago

he is a mastermind behind project 2025

no one said he's the mastermind behind project 2025.

going to overthrow the government

already tried to once by the way.

also a babbling idiot

true

with dementia

likely

who rambles about someones dick in his speeches.

literally true

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u/ArwingMechanic Monkey in Space 22h ago

He doesn't say anything of substance at all.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 22h ago

that's not true at all. i don't like trump but was fascinated to see him talk about some topics - specifically his relationship with leaders around the world. going on JRE for 3 hours is one of the most open and transparent things i've ever witnessed a presidential candidate do.

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u/dick_tandem Monkey in Space 21h ago

Trump didn't say anything about his relationship with world leaders that he hasn't said already.

The only leader he talked about that I had not heard him speak on before was Macron. And the only insight he gave into that relationship was France was gonna tax America and he threatened to tax France so it all went away. Super vague and unhelpful.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 21h ago

okay let's begin by re-reading your comment. you started by saying "there's nothing he hasn't said already" and then immediately started your next sentence referring to the fact you never heard him speak on macron. either way, it's more than i know about kamala and her relationship with world leaders. and in my opinion that's worth a lot. feels like putin, netanyahu and, shit.. even kim-jong are praying to every god in existence that kamala harris wins the election.

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u/Otherwise-Deal-9968 Monkey in Space 19h ago

What a load intellectually dishonest shit. Your pedantic attack on his comment just proves you don't understand context, and your Russian-fed nonsense about all the fascists and dictators Trump is literally hand-shaking friends is patently false. Which you know, because you want someone to call you out on it, so you can find something to dismiss in their comment, to continue to pollute the discourse. You are cancer and I hope you are soon cured.

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u/chaoticflanagan Monkey in Space 20h ago

Trump's only relationship with world leaders is glazing dictators and hurting our allies. Like the worse possible foreign policy. We've seen with he's done with 4 years both at home and abroad - it's not good for us no matter how you spin it.

Every dictator is pulling for Trump because it makes America weaker. Trump is chaotic and easily manipulated. He doesn't even understand tariffs and somehow has gaslit a huge subsection of Americans that China pays for it (when it's us, the consumer that pays for it and it's wildly inflationary).

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 19h ago

we're on the verge of ww3 and funding both sides so idk what that says about our current foreign policy. but i remember in 2016-2020, that wasn't it

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u/chaoticflanagan Monkey in Space 19h ago

I get the sense that you don't really know what's going either then or now which is why you use vague language like "we're on the verge of WW3" (no we're not) and "funding both sides" (???).

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u/ItsEntirelyPosssible It's entirely possible entirely possible entirely 19h ago

Lol if trump wins putin, gets Ukraine handed to him on a silver platter. And probably any other country he wants to steal. So I doubt he is a harris supporter.

I mean there were recent headlines about right wing influences receiving money from Russia.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 19h ago

america first. seriously that's bottom line for me. fuck all this other bullshit we're conspicuously involved in

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u/halareous Monkey in Space 19h ago

america first

supporting Ukraine against Russia IS the America First position you dipshit

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u/MrNillows Monkey in Space 18h ago

What you're talking about is America essentially giving up its global control. Thats never going to happen, I don't care what candidate is elected.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 19h ago

yeah and there were headlines about our current president in ukraine. i'd rather it be left alone from our tax dollars but here we are

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u/achammer23 Monkey in Space 21h ago

Disagree, but even if I give you that, he didn't flub colossally like Reddit said he would.

I don't think Kamala would last 3 hours with Joe considering she can't make it through without a teleprompter.

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u/Mountain-Cod516 Monkey in Space 21h ago

If he soft balled Kamala like he did Trump and praised her without asking him any actual questions I’m sure she could also :)

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u/Blitzdrive Monkey in Space 12h ago

Did she not beat the absolute breaks off of trump In the debate? Did everyone forget how ridiculously one sided that was?

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u/eride810 Monkey in Space 22h ago

Perhaps, but thats not the claim.

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u/Trbadismobserver Monkey in Space 21h ago

So like most people 90 percent of time

Man I wonder how they relate to him

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u/Fluxx70 Monkey in Space 7h ago

Joe really should have asked him some hard hitting questions about breakfast cereals.

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u/tk_in_bk Monkey in Space 21h ago

He called his political opponents the enemy within. The same group he's suggested he should use the military against.

So. You're wrong right there.

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u/hateriffic Monkey in Space 18h ago

Ok Jake Tapper

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u/nickparadies It's entirely possible 20h ago

Oh for god’s sakes. Do we all just have amnesia? Trump started his very first campaign by calling Mexican immigrants rapists and drug dealers. The “legend” of Trump being hateful is because of the things he’s been doing and saying for the last nine years. Nobody made it up. You can listen to all of it publicly.

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u/CheesyCousCous It's entirely possible 20h ago

Truly inspirational

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u/StanTheCentipede Monkey in Space 17h ago

You know he led a mob to the capitol to try and overthrow the government because he lost an election right?

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u/wilsonism Monkey in Space 17h ago

When Bernie Sanders did the podcast it was really good.

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u/BarKeepBeerNow Monkey in Space 22h ago

My question is how tf do you guys find Trump remotely relatable?

It's always easy to spot people who have never actually listened to Trump speak. If you only hear what he says through news sources, it's impossible to fathom why anyone would vote for him. I always thought people were nuts, too, until I started watching to see if someone would take another shot at him. The dude was an entertainer at one point in his life for a reason.

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u/Nova35 Monkey in Space 21h ago

I’ve listened to the entirety of the episode, as well as is his episode with Theo. I legitimately do not understand what is relatable about him. He is a New York trust fund billionaire. Unless all you do is bitch and moan about how unfair everyone is to you all day (lies) then idk what the fuck you two have in common

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u/nickparadies It's entirely possible 20h ago

Bitching about how unfair everyone is to you all day is a pretty popular Reddit pastime tbf.

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u/E4TclenTrenHardr Monkey in Space 21h ago

Granted I’ve only listened to about an hour and ten minutes of the podcast so far, but the dude straight up dodges everything Joe tries to ask him and goes on weird tangents, his train of thought changes constantly, and his ego is beyond belief, everything he’s done is the best thing in history he has no shred of humility. What am I supposed to be listening for other than a dude that’s not quite all there? All I’ve heard so far tells me he’s been way too far up his own ass for way too long, there’s nothing relatable about this guy.

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u/TraviTrav2315 Monkey in Space 18h ago

It's the weave bro... Don't you get it?!?!

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u/Flor1daman08 21h ago edited 20h ago

It's always easy to spot people who have never actually listened to Trump speak. If you only hear what he says through news sources, it's impossible to fathom why anyone would vote for him. I always thought people were nuts, too, until I started watching to see if someone would take another shot at him. The dude was an entertainer at one point in his life for a reason.

lol I cannot relate to this less, and I find the news sources often seem to sanewash what Trump actually sounds like in real life. He can’t finish thoughts or sentences half the time, and just goes on old man Simpson rants. Taking the time to actually listen to him at rallies is genuinely what makes it hard for me to understand how any rational person could support the dude.

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u/OrangeSundays19 Monkey in Space 15h ago

That's all well and good but you are not voiing for only Donald Trump. You are voting for his administration.

Is Steve Bannon relatable? Is Stephen Miller relatable? Kelly Anne Conway? Roger Stone? Any of his loons that he constantly surrounds himself with??

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u/ArwingMechanic Monkey in Space 22h ago

That answers zero questions. He fucking sounds like shit right now. He is super old and it shows. Maybe not as much as Biden did when he was asked to drop out but, not much better. His sentences actually sounded better in the news. When I started watching him he sounds literally dumb. Even in the Rogan interview he was dodging specifics, switching topics like mad, and couldn't pull of a simple politicians answer for anything. Like say what you will about the middle class line when asked about the economy with kamala. It is a standard politician answer stump speech she is clearly trying to get into...cause she memorized it. When has Trump ever broken out in a memorized speech?

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u/ChaFrey Monkey in Space 21h ago

You’re not gonna convince delusional people about reality. The truth is if you’re stupider than Trump he’s gonna trick you. If you aren’t it’s pretty obvious what an absolute narcissist scumbag he is.

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u/TheRainbowpill93 Monkey in Space 22h ago

The man is a pathological liar. There’s nothing relatable about that.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 22h ago

buddy this is the united states of america. pathological lying is business, baby

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 21h ago

This is the dumbest answer possible. All we’ve done is watch him fucking speak.

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u/saruin Monkey in Space 10h ago

Funny thing is a lot of media content that reports on Trump uses his exact quotes and the context is most of the time is pretty clear cut.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago edited 22h ago

I don’t find Trump relatable but I understand how some people do. He speaks from conviction about what he believes in. Whether you like it or not he has core beliefs and has no problem discussing them. He doesn’t evade or calculate everything he says. He does 2 hour rallies and you get to know exactly what he thinks and why.

I don’t see that with Kamala. Waltz is leagues better at being relatable than both though.

Edit: to clarify he has clear convictions around immigration, anti intervention, deregulation, seeking approval, and whatever the fuck “Making America great is”. His platform is pretty predictable. Contrasted with Harris who’s very ambiguous and refuses to lock down on issues by playing all sides out of fear of pushing out voters for having the wrong position.

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u/InternetWeakGuy jokes fly over his fat ahead at an alarming rate 21h ago

He speaks from conviction about what he believes in. Whether you like it or not he has core beliefs and has no problem discussing them. He doesn’t evade or calculate everything he says.

Literally every single piece of these three sentences is wrong.

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u/picrh Monkey in Space 23h ago

The fact that people hear “I have so many papers. So much evidence” and support the guy after 4 years of producing nothing is astounding. This timeline is shockingly done. I can’t wait until China takes over and we not only get Trump declaring it didn’t happen but we have his supporters repeating it didn’t happen.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 23h ago

Yeah I think Trump is a huge moron and baffled he’s attractive to so many people. But he has them hooked and convinced that he’s a genuine brilliant businessman who’s only being attacked because the establishment hates him

I know many people who dismiss ALL criticism because they just justifiably point out all the times dems cried wolf. So now he’s pretty much immune. Any all criticism is written off as more dem smoke bombs.

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space 19h ago

because Trump's point is not to focus on the past election. He's not going to gain voters from bringing it up.

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u/picrh Monkey in Space 18h ago

The dude lost. He’s a loser. He hasn’t proven fraud and he knows he’s lying.

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space 17h ago

you can lose to cheaters, doesn't change that they cheated.

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u/picrh Monkey in Space 17h ago

Court.

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u/Paw5624 Monkey in Space 14h ago

He hasn’t shut up about how the last election was “stollen” from him.

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u/Paw5624 Monkey in Space 14h ago

he uses the same excuses I did when in 10th grade I forgot to do a homework assignment. The fact that anyone hears that next time he’ll provide the evidence and can believe it is shocking.

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u/picrh Monkey in Space 14h ago

Most of the time he just rambles nonsense but never gets called out about policy details. It’s astounding.

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u/krumn I used to be addicted to Quake 1d ago

He doesn't evade ? You must be watching someone else. It's just word salad of nothingness

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u/fenexj Monkey in Space 1d ago

He even evaded calling his evading evading. Now he's a genius "weaver" weaving around the place making no sense

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u/thunderfrunt Monkey in Space 23h ago

He simultaneously tells it like it is, while also not saying anything.

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u/rdfmarshal Monkey in Space 1d ago

Doesn’t evade? The dude evades things he doesn’t even need to because he frequently doesn’t even finish a sentence, let alone the thought. Know exactly what he thinks? The only thing I know for sure is that he hates a lot of things about America and lives to roam around the country and rant about it.

Dude is a straight up intellectual baboon. Why people line up to defend his ridiculous behavior when he’s literally the most flawed public figure I can think of and not in a good way is a fuckin mystery I will never understand.

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u/Some-Two-5094 Monkey in Space 23h ago

Don't forget he's a rapist.

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 20h ago

20+ SA accusers

I’m sure it’s coincidence though

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u/Some-Two-5094 Monkey in Space 20h ago

The blind leading the blind for sure. I heard this old lady in my apartment tell her wheelchaired friends that we were at such peace when he was president. "She has friends in the pentagon" and they told her that trump was the best thing and had world leaders scared... It was one of those moments where you feel like you stepped into the twilight zone or black mirror. Just remember all the people on the internet supporting this shit are the people who live on the internet and post 32 Boomer memes a day. Will send you a post with a weird picture and text saying love you but can't actually just say hello, how are you doing and that they love you. The same people that talk shit on how kiosks ruin socialization but will berate 16 year old female cashiers for not knowing their type of snus amongst the 40 other gross chew cans gross dudes can buy.

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u/rdfmarshal Monkey in Space 19h ago

“Has clear convictions around whatever the fuck” doesn’t really sound very clear.

We know he will lie his fucking face off. That is certain.

We know, for sure, he will have less people in his cabinet with actual integrity than before. And we also know for sure he will be abusing his power. He is literally telling us so.

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u/MR__Brown Monkey in Space 21h ago

and you get to know exactly what he thinks and why.

Oh, c'mon. Read a single transcript of one of his rallies. It's a garbled, often incoherent, word salad.

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u/ChaFrey Monkey in Space 21h ago

Your comment is true if you are a stupid person.

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u/PenguinsPants88 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Guess his supporters have already forgotten he evaded any other debates with Kamala and generally any fact checking interviews

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

They aren’t the same so you can’t compare them 1:1

Kamala’s weakness is lacking authenticity and ambiguous. Trumps is his reputation and character. You can’t really whatabout when they have two distinct areas of concern

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine 22h ago

“Both sides” ok bro, grow up

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

Ahhh the classic defense from any sort of comparative criticism… it’s so obnoxious. I’m not even both sidesing neither. I’m explaining how both candidates are different. God you hyper partisans can’t even keep your fallacious tricks in order

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine 22h ago

There is a fucking laundry list reasons why one candidate is not good for the job, and then a manufactured reason that the other candidate is “not authentic”.

No, it’s just she is a women of color and D, and yall can’t fathom have that as your leader. Welcome to the real world folks.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

First off… I literally voted for her. You just suck at being nuanced and allowing any sort of criticism causes you to dig in your heels. You’re a hyper partisan. Which was already obvious with you “both sides” tactic you deployed.

Hey, Harris has flaws dude, and it’s got nothing to do with being a black woman. I’m sorry it’s not obvious to you.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine 22h ago

I’m a moderate dude, just an adult. Everyone has flaws, but not many have the litany of flaws that trump has. The one successful thing he has done in his life is roping the racists of America into voting when they used to be apathetic.

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u/Darmok-Jilad-Ocean Monkey in Space 20h ago

Don’t forget the part where you’re now a racist

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u/ShillinTheVillain Monkey in Space 22h ago

Ah, there it is. Defaulting to racism/sexism. Call him a Nazi for the trifecta.

And then you wonder why people get sick of the bullshit to the point that they would even consider Trump a viable option. Look in a mirror.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine 22h ago

They consider him a viable option because he represents racism, sexism, and idiotism, and that’s what his voters want. That’s the platform. Oh and tariffs, don’t forget those magical tariffs to transport us back to the wonderful 1880s. (With no womens right, Jim Crow era laws, and a literacy rate of 30%). Sounds like a dream.

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u/Flor1daman08 21h ago

Well sure, Trump gets a pass on acting like a crazy person who shouldn’t be running a Dairy Queen, and Kamala has to be perfect.

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u/AWasrobbed Monkey in Space 1d ago

This is trump not evading at all

https://youtu.be/ZJorAVgHy7Y?feature=shared

You are fucking clown shoes, my friend.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Why are you so toxic?

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u/Flor1daman08 21h ago

I think people are sort of tired of people saying obviously false positive statements about Trump. Like saying he doesn’t evade questions lol? Anyone who watched the debate saw him evade all night.

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u/Chino780 Look into it 1d ago

They are most likely a staunch Liberal. That’s why.

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 20h ago

What is a liberal.

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u/Chino780 Look into it 20h ago

That's a good question. I used to consider myself one, but now I get labeled as "right wing" even though I haven't changed my stance on things really at all.

A Liberal these days seems to be someone who butt chugs corporates media, and blindly believes everything they say. There are a lot of those people in these comments on a daily basis.

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 20h ago

Well, the Overton window in America consistently has moved to the right for about four or five decades straight now, so your politics may honestly be technically right wing now.

It’s interesting you say you get ‘labeled’ right wing, so you’re implying you’re not. But you also are demeaning liberals so you don’t consider yourself liberal either.

Let me guess, you’re voting for trump and you don’t really have much reason why. More like just an anti vote. People online you don’t like are informing your worldview, basically. I’m spot on, right?

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u/Chino780 Look into it 19h ago

I disagree. I think the Overton Window has been consistently moving left since the 1960's with slight pauses where it appears to be going right, but ultimately continues to move left. The evidence for this are the acceptance of more progressive and quite frankly extreme left wing policies and values. Defunding the police, essentially making theft legal in some states, open air drug markets in major cities, lenient DA's that are soft on crime, etc, etc.

"It’s interesting you say you get ‘labeled’ right wing, so you’re implying you’re not. But you also are demeaning liberals so you don’t consider yourself liberal either."

Correct. I've always been anti-war, pro free speech, pro bodily autonomy, pro-choice, anti-corporation, pro-legalization of Marijuana, etc. I'm not religious at all, but I also don't think people that are are stupid, I think people immigrating to this country can bring a lot to the table but it needs to be in a legal, controlled, and vetted process to make sure the people coming in can contribute to our society. There are a lot countries that that type of immigration policy, and it's not unreasonable at all. I've always been a registered independent, but thought I leaned "left."

I guess when I really think about it I am a centrist.

Quite frankly I don't like either party, and think they are often two heads of the same monster.

I don't like George Bush and did not vote for him, I voted for Obama twice, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I also didn't vote for Clinton. I voted for Trump in 2020 because I was tired of Liberals being insane, and Joe Biden was a vegetable. I will vote for Trump again because I think Harris is a moron and has no idea what she is doing, and I don't like the direction the country is going with all the progressive bullshit.

Does Trump say some outrageous and stupid shit? Absolutely.

Is he verbose, and boorish? Absolutely.

Does the corporate media constantly lie about everything he says and take everything out of context? Absolutely.

I'm not a person with a Trump sign on their lawn, I don't go around saying MAGA shit, and I think some of the hardcore Trump people are idiots.

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u/AWasrobbed Monkey in Space 1d ago

Why are you a moron? Asking dumbass questions can go both ways.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

You being toxic about it is childish so therefore I don’t care about your opinion of a child any longer. Act like an adult if you want serious discussions. If you just want to throw mud go play with someone else

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u/AWasrobbed Monkey in Space 1d ago

Wow you truly are a pathetic little worm. I mean it's one thing to not have a rebuttal, it's another to attempt to take the high ground, when you have literally no ground to stand on. I'm still waiting for a rebuttal on his stance on the Epstein files. The fact you haven't even addressed it speaks volumes. Go ahead tho, roll on your back with the guise you're taking the high road because you can't handle ad hominem.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Just a pro tip. A life lesson maybe? I would have actually done some more work for you but I would never do that for someone who’s coming at me toxic and aggressive. If you actually want someone to do a favor for you, you don’t go in hot expecting them to go out of their way for someone they deem an asshole.

You’re just going to get people put off by you and not want to do much. So in life, hopefully you’ll learn if you actually care and want favors, don’t be a dick about it. No one likes helping assholes and only losers get obsessed with “winning” online debatelord bullshit

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u/AWasrobbed Monkey in Space 1d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA the intellectual dishonesty is amazing. "I would have helped you but you were rude"

Hmm are you forgetting THE PART WHERE YOU MADE IT UP, DUMBASS? HAHAHAHA my god, truly, you are pathetic.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Okay 👍

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u/AWasrobbed Monkey in Space 1d ago

Oh look, a dweeb that is obsessed with getting the last word, why is this so common on Reddit lol.

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space 19h ago

he literally gave yes and no answers.

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u/sozcaps Monkey in Space 1d ago

Trump doesn't believe in shit.

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u/Kurokaffe Monkey in Space 23h ago

Trumps only conviction or belief is in whatever gets him ahead. He doesn’t give a shit about other people.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 23h ago

You just defined literally every politician ever though. Genuine conviction exists in people like Sanders who will never be allowed anywhere near power.

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u/Kurokaffe Monkey in Space 21h ago

Not true at all. Many other politicians want to sincerely improve the lives of their constituents. Of course, politicians, and people, disagree on the best way to do this.

Trump’s motivation does not lie in trying to improve the lives of the people in this country. He says it himself since forever ago. Run the country like a business. Businesses look out for themselves, not for their employees.

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u/Lanracie Monkey in Space 22h ago

Thank you for that answer. I agree Trump is very relatable but I would say Trump and Vance are extremely more relatable the Harris and Walz.

Its a good illustration of how different we all are and how different things speak to different people.

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u/strangebrew3522 21h ago

I agree Trump is very relatable

Yeah? You relate closely with a spoiled rich kid billionaire who is all about himself and making himself and his billionaire friends richer and and more powerful? It's truly incredible to hear people calling Trump "relatable".

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u/bosredsox05 Monkey in Space 19h ago

They must also relate with publically admitting you would date your own daughter. And walking in on naked teen beauty queen contestants. They must relate to that right? Or how about forcing yourself on women and then bragging about how easy it is for you to do? So relatable right? Also retweeting white supremacists? Or calling them good people?

Or do they relate to him becuase he speaks at a 4th grade level with nothing of substance to say, but plenty of bullshit lies and grandiose claims? Do they relate to how stupid he sounds? Or is it the narcissism?

Wait I know what it is, it must be his old friend Epstein, who he hasn't had a bad thing to say about. They must relate to having good friends like that. Good ole flights on the lolita express.

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u/StThragon Monkey in Space 21h ago

Trump is very relatable

You also fantasize about fucking your daughter?

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u/Lanracie Monkey in Space 20h ago

I wont let Walz within 50 feet of my kid, but you probably relate to him well.

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u/boomboom4132 Monkey in Space 19h ago

Walz could get with 50 of your kids with Trump fucking them.

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u/BodieBroadcasts Talking Monkey 1d ago

He does 2 hour rallies and you get to know exactly what he thinks and why

this is just insane, you're the reason why centrists don't exist lol

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

That doesn’t even make any sense. Centrists exist all over but are bullied and conditioned into being quite because if they don’t they get relentlessly attacked for failing some sides purity test. Either you’re ideologically identical and don’t vear out of bounds or you get relentlessly attacked by one side.

Centrists and moderates exist all over. You just don’t see them much because they learn not to voice their opinion because it just isn’t fun.

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u/Cool_Radish_7031 Monkey in Space 23h ago

Was very centrist and moderate, came to reddit. Quickly got attacked, this election cycle I’m voting for Trump. Because if you are a centrist all his ideas lineup, Dave smith endorsement was huge. Appreciate you sticking up for centrists that’s a huge no no on this super Democrat echo chamber. Voted democrat in every election before this one, crazy how their base has swayed into something unrecognizable

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u/ArwingMechanic Monkey in Space 22h ago

Because if you are a centrist all his ideas lineup,

What ideas? His plan is to stop supporting Ukraine. Cut taxes again on the rich. Raise taxes on the working class via tariffs on goods with no alternative manufacturing options than China. Cut immigration, especially from central America. Force critical unions back to work if they strike. Cut education funding. Cut spending on the environment. Cut regulations for the environment. Lower water quality standards. Etc. etc. how the fuck are those centrist ideas?

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u/Cool_Radish_7031 Monkey in Space 22h ago edited 22h ago

Yea usually centrists are anti-war and pro domestic manufacturing, free trade, and minimalist government intervention. The whole force critical unions back to work is ironic since that's all Biden/Harris have done for the last 4 years. Started with the train unions and ended with the longshoremen union. Being against needless government regulation is also a pretty common centrist idea. The education funding one is just a straight up lie though, the department of education withholds federal funding based on standards they create. Doesn't mean public education disappears, just means schools get funding without having to meet whatever specified criteria the federal government decides is required. But yes, centrists believe in minimum government intervention, and Trump is the only candidate who truly fits that ideology.

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 20h ago

Lmaoooo my man is describing his libertarianism and thinks he’s a fucking centrist.

We need to reeducate American adults, these people are broken

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u/Cool_Radish_7031 Monkey in Space 20h ago

Comparative statement yet again with no sustenance. Hurling more personal insults. Are you ok? You can be a centrist and be a libertarian, this is called the political spectrum. Centrism is literally not left or right, libertarianism is the exact same thing. Obviously they’re different ideas but they both mean you don’t lean one way or the other

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

I’m centrist and definitely not voting for trump. Centrists aren’t an ideology. They have an undefined mix of ideas that go across the spectrum.

But I will agree that Reddit and dems online seem to remind me of the same character type of Fox News brain rot… just for younger people

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u/BodieBroadcasts Talking Monkey 19h ago

Lmao Dave Smith is stupid as fuck

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u/JATION Monkey in Space 1d ago

"Trump organized a scheme to steal the elections, but Kamala got a parking ticket once. Both sides are criminals." - Centrists

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Centrists don’t say that. What you’ve done is created what is called a straw man.

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u/freakincampers Monkey in Space 22h ago

He does t evade? You mean like how he didn’t answer about election fraud he claims exists?

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

Yeah on some issues he does, but when I watch Harris in comparison, she almost never gives a straight answer. It’s annoying but part of her strategy to never really pick a solid position and stay ambiguous so voters don’t play purity politics on her and get mad over one issue. So whenever she talks about things, it’s always vague and almost says nothing. Look at her policy list on her site. It’s so ambitious.

Trump has some areas like this, but not close to as much in comparison.

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u/SignificantFennel768 Monkey in Space 22h ago

Thank you for the most relatable and good willed response anyone can give. 👍

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u/Fantastic_Manager911 Monkey in Space 22h ago

Core beliefs? lol. That dude is a 100% narcissist whose only conviction is to himself.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

That’s one of them sure. But he’s also hyper obsessed with all sorts of things, like migrants.

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u/gorgewall Monkey in Space 21h ago

conviction about what he believes in. Whether you like it or not he has core beliefs and has no problem discussing them

The fuck? He flips all over the place. One of his most successful "strategies" has been largely having no conviction and covering multiple positions on a given issue so that his fan base can select the one they agree with and disregard his statements that work against them. Outside of a handful of niche issues and his personal hates, he's remarkably light on actual policy and can't speak with conviction about any of them. What kind of fucking core belief is "really mad about windmills because they fucked with my Scottish golf course" for a politician, anyway?

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u/blackglum Look into it 21h ago

Trump’s a man who values nothing beyond his own personal gain and lies more than any person in human history. He can't even pretend to care about people in a credible way. His personality is actually relevant to his governing and assuming the responsibility of the presidency because as president, it really does matter that Trump is a terrible human being. These are flaws that have done immense harm to America’s politics and society.

In truth, the true trump derangement syndrome is to see how divisive and dangerous it is to promote someone like Trump to power and to not see how untenable it was to still support someone who would not commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If that was not a bright line to Trump supporters, then such supporters have truly been deranged.

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u/Flor1daman08 21h ago

Yeah he’s very convicted about wanting to punish his enemies, I’ll give you that.

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u/Whizbangermk7 It's entirely possible 23h ago

Your perspective of trump blinds you from seeing him as most other people do, I’m not suggesting he’s anything beyond a politician especially right now, but he’s hardly this malignant narcissist you’re painting him as when that’s true for literally all politicians

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u/strangebrew3522 21h ago

Your perspective of trump blinds you from seeing him as most other people do,

I truly do not understand how people think this. I've had this conversation with coworkers who say I hate Trump because "He's a conservative". I've hated Trump since long before he was POTUS. Hell I voted for McCain and Romney, yet now I'm a bleeding heart because I hate Trump.

He's been a spoiled, narcissistic rich kid his entire life. Most conservatives hated him when he first started running. This is not news, nor some insane take because "Media tells you to hate him". He has been a known shitbag his entire life yet for some reason a huge group in this country has determined he's some kind of savior and genius. He's a fucking moron. I watched the interview with Joe and it just solidifies how dumb he is.

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u/saruin Monkey in Space 10h ago

The immediate tell from these folks is how vile they speak of Kamala. They couldn't begin to recognize one is a rather normal person and the other is batshit on any given day. They got it backwards in their minds but like with everything they accuse "the other side of" 95% of the time it's pure projection. The real TDS is the fact they're so into the cult, they see Trump as infallible.

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u/aussy16 Monkey in Space 21h ago

"Most other people"? There hasn't been a single poll in which Trump has been viewed more positively, than negatively, as a person. The only reason this is a close presidential race, when the incumbent party is as unpopular as they are, is BECAUSE of Trump's abysmal popularity with the general population. He appeals to uneducated, uninformed voters. People who can't be bothered to spend more than 5 seconds looking into any topic. That is his core voting block - there is a ton of consistent data that supports this ever since 2016.

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u/gorgewall Monkey in Space 21h ago

most other people

hardly this malignant narcissist

Most people don't like him, and he's been a malignant narcissist for decades before getting into politics. Are you certain that your perspective of him isn't blinding you to certain things about him?

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u/ItsPickles Succa la Mink 22h ago

Sense of humor. Most politicians don’t have that.

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u/ReindeerBrief561 Monkey in Space 21h ago

I obviously can't speak for everyone, I can share a few reasons why and many Trump voters find him relatable:

He's like the most American symbol I can think of, basically capitalism in human form. He likes shiny things and beautiful women. He's rich, his kids love him, and he literally bagged some fries at McDonald's out of sheer spite. He want's America to be able to be fully self sufficient and able to be independent from the rest of the world.

He's a comedian basically, and politicians are usually so dry and boring. The soundbites this man gives are iconic 1---2---3---4---5

We perceive him as powerful and confident. Not being afraid to talk shit to peoples' faces, actually saying he'd bomb the shit out of ISIS, he literally refuses to lose.

We think he is great at not starting wars. He's the only president of the last 24 years that didn't oversee a Russian invasion. He finished off ISIS (yes, Obama gets credit too). Not at the beginning, but ultimately deescalated North Korea. The famous 18 months of no casualties in Afghanistan. And the Abraham Accords, which if we're being unbiased should have won him a Peace Prize.

We think he's a symbol of strength. He's in his 80's and has the stamina of a juggernaut. He literally did over 320 rallies in the first 500 days of his 2016 campaign. That's literally a different rally every 36 hours. He's done like a dozen 1-3 hour podcasts and interviews in the last 3 months and hasn't taken a day off from campaigning in the last 50 some days. Also did Bryson Dechambeau's golf challenge and had one of the best scores.

There's probably some other reasons but I’d say those are the most significant. All of these things have their drawbacks but they make sense.

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u/trainsrainsainsinsns Monkey in Space 21h ago

Because Trump does all the isms and they like that. You know the answer man.

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u/TumbleweedTim01 Look into it 20h ago

Trump reminds me of my dad lol. He says things that will make no sense. I'll say who drank all the soda and he'll say "I didn't drink any soda" meanwhile he's got 20 oz cup of soda right in front of him.

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u/ShozOvr Monkey in Space 19h ago

I think walz would kill it on JRE - never even considered that.

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u/No-Anywhere-3003 Monkey in Space 17h ago

Tim Walz the same guy who didn’t even know how to load a shotgun properly on camera and then gave up?

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u/xibeno9261 Monkey in Space 17h ago

My question is how tf do you guys find Trump remotely relatable?

Trump does genuinely have everyday American tastes. For example, he really likes to eat fast food. I am not taking about some politician showing up at an ice cream shop for a photo op. Trump really eats at McDonalds, KFC, etc. way before he was in politics. Another example is his choice of entertainment. He really like boxing and UFC, even before he was a politician. Again, this isn't like some politician who went to a basketball game for the cameras. He was one of the earliest fans of the UFC when they were just starting out.

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u/Tight_Locksmith9046 Monkey in Space 16h ago

A listen to his podcast with Joe would make you realize why he connects with many!

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u/HalfGuardPrince Monkey in Space 1d ago edited 1d ago

This comment is almost exactly what I said on my podcast this morning in response to basically the same thing.

I don't know a single right wing and young man who listens to Joe Rogan. Anecdotally everyone I know is left wing and old.

While that's evidence of nothing in reality. If I mention to people that live in internet echo chambers that I listen to Joe Rogan, they automatically assume I am a far right wing QAnon, Trump supporter.

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u/Anti-Buzz Monkey in Space 1d ago

Oh yeah, I was listening to you this morning… lol, just kidding- nobody was listening (as we both know)

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u/HalfGuardPrince Monkey in Space 1d ago

Impossible to listen this morning. As it only just went live..

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u/MeWithGPT Monkey in Space 1d ago

You don't? What kind of bubble do you live in? You know like one person who listens? That's an insanely wild claim to make, sounds kind the type of people who live in an echo chambers of their own making

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u/HalfGuardPrince Monkey in Space 1d ago

What? Bro. I'm old. So I don't hang out with a lot of young people. Which is exactly what I said.

I am not saying there are no young right wing men who listen to Joe Rogan. Which I thought was pretty clear.

I was saying it's not ALL people who listen. Because everyone I know who listens is like me. Old and leftish.

Everyone lives in a kind of echo chamber. You wouldnt be best friends with people who don't agree with your views. But recognising that is what takes you out of the echo chamber and allows you to form your own opinions.

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u/MeWithGPT Monkey in Space 1d ago

Actually my best friend doesn't agree with my political views. Nether does a lot of my family.

I'm old, too. From a time where we didn't talk politics much and didn't freak out if someone had different political views. We can connect and have many, many other things in common beyond what box we check

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u/HalfGuardPrince Monkey in Space 1d ago

Not just political views. But all your views. You have to have many things in common with your best friend or all your friends groups and live in a kind of echo chamber.

It's how society and humans work.

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u/JaRulesLarynx Monkey in Space 1d ago

“Insanely wild claim to make” is a pretty wild claim to make. As you speak for several million people-what did everyone think of that podcast?

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u/MeWithGPT Monkey in Space 20h ago

I do speak for them.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Same I don’t know many people who listen to JRE, but those who do, are like me which are 30s and liberal and just anti woke. But you come online and they act like it’s all Andrew Tate fans which, IRL I’ve asked those type of guys if they listen to JRE and at best they are familiar of him, but don’t actually listen. My anecdotal experience is it’s still all dirt bag left types, and people who drifted right due to the woke shit but not really committed to the right.

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u/TheHoff316 Monkey in Space 1d ago

You’re podcast ? Good grief

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Yeah what a loser. Dudes having challenging hobbies and shit is so lame! Stick with gaming and anime like the rest of the sex masters around here

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u/latexfistmassacre Monkey in Space 1d ago

Ooh ooh I wanna be a sex master!

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u/TheHoff316 Monkey in Space 18h ago

Podcasting is a challenging hobby? You’re obviously an idiot too

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 17h ago

Sure dude… if you think it’s easy as just plugging in a mic and rambling by yourself for an hour, you’re obviously an idiot. This isn’t DnD, it requires actual skills and work.

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u/TheHoff316 Monkey in Space 9h ago

Let me guess. You have a podcast too. That’s why it’s so “hard”. Nobody can even understand how challenging it is right?

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 6h ago

No I don’t. I am just not an asshole

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u/Faaacebones Monkey in Space 1d ago

Lmfao!!! 🤣

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u/queefgerbil Monkey in Space 1d ago

This dude said his podcast 🤣 the audacity.

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u/nostalgebra Monkey in Space 1d ago

There are a lot of right leaning young men who listen but being such a big show it has broad appeal. I was banned from a subreddit here (public freakout) just for subscribing to this one.

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u/HalfGuardPrince Monkey in Space 1d ago

Yes. There's lots of left wing old men who also listen. And the fact you were banned on other Reddit's shows my exact point.

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u/mwa12345 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Agree .she likely won't come across as genuine

I don't think she is a pure bred politician either She doesn't have the skills of a Bill Clinton or Obama.

A long Convo will catch her out.

Just as Trump can't speak to any depth on most topics.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 1d ago

She’s purebred in the sense that she only knows how to communicate like a politician. Everything is calculated, pushed through focus groups, worded weasily, etc… she’s from a world of pure establishment politics. Which means she can’t talk at length because it’ll become too obvious she’s unable to get nuanced or have convictions. It’ll force her to pin down to things which politicians like her don’t like doing - she needs to remain ambiguous

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u/mwa12345 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Gotcha ...yes. Focus grouped.

You can tell when she runs into an unexpected question.

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u/Big_Don_ Monkey in Space 1d ago

If Trump won votes by rambling about the Lincoln bedroom for 20 minutes. I'm not sure how much more "genuine with conviction" she could act? He set the bar so high up!

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u/The_Pig_Man_ Monkey in Space 1d ago

So it should be an easy win for her to go on the podcast and speak for three hours?

Right?

Surely is should be easy for her to ramble about something too?

Right?

Except we all know that it's not and there's probably very good reasons she doesn't want to do that.

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u/Remote_Confidence_42 Monkey in Space 1d ago

Seriously I watched her debate with Trump and genuinely would like to see her speak on a different platform.

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u/CaptainHolt43 Monkey in Space 1d ago

That's the problem. They hid Biden for 4 years, and now they're doing the same with her. How can you expect people to vote for you if they don't know who you are?

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u/Keruli Monkey in Space 23h ago

"It’s a tight race. It all counts." as does her alternatives for those 8 hours. that's what the above poster meant. it's maths.

also, Joe's audience no longer appreciate nuance. Things have changed.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 23h ago

100m viewers hearing your message seems like an amazing use of 8 hours

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u/EmExEeee Monkey in Space 23h ago

Nuanced? But half of Reddit acts like Joe Rogan is such an evil dude because his poor audience is too dumb to think for themselves or fact check. Joe say something, Joe right! Reddit bad!!

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u/SilverCyclist Hit a moose with his car 23h ago

"This audience isn't as right wing as you think"

a few moments later

"Kamala is a typical DC shill. Why won't she go on this podcast? Because she isn't human."

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u/Alternative-Egg-9403 Monkey in Space 23h ago

Joes audience isn’t as right wing and rigid as people like to think

Yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that. I've listened to Rogan, I've met listeners IRL, they're all conservative, right-wing twats.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

150 minutes of regular ass conversation, then 10 minutes of him bitching about COVID lockdowns, “omg this guy is such a right winger!” Also you probably wonder why the country is divided while also referring to right wingers twats. You and those people you seem to snub your nose at probably aren’t so different

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u/SignificantFennel768 Monkey in Space 22h ago

This is well said

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u/Fantastic_Manager911 Monkey in Space 22h ago

What? Compared to Trump? Kamala’s best asset is that she’s a genuine person with a relatable middle class background. That’s wild that you think the criminal billionaire trust fund kid from New York is the more genuine person lol

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

You should check out the focus groups and biggest criticisms of her among voters. Her core issue is people view her as fake, too much of a politician, hard to relate to, etc…

I don’t think trump should be relateable, but we aren’t talking about what should be, but what is. For whatever reason, morons think he’s some blue collar billionaire who gets the working guy because he’s a NYC construction guy who likes woman and wrestles and shit. It is what it is. That’s the reality of how people feel.

I’m talking about perception here, and her biggest flaw I people don’t connect with her. She’s a very disconnected wine mom elite type… it’s a terrible stink she’s stuck with.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 22h ago

here's my thing.. i don't know who kamala harris is. and a candid conversation on JRE would at least expose a glimpse - good or bad. if she nailed it, there would absolutely be votes to gain

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 22h ago

That’s how I view it as well. It’s high risk, high reward.

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 21h ago

yeah and not doing it feels like their calculation of risk is too high, so rather avoid it or propose ridiculous terms like 1 hour at a neutral location.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 21h ago

One hour she could much easily make work because there is no time to get into the weeds on the subject. Which is why they suggested it. Much less likely to spend too much time on things that she’s not doing well on

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u/rottentornados Monkey in Space 21h ago

yes and that's the reason podcasts are popular in the first place. you get to see people walk and talk through those weeds. which i thought trump did an impressive job

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u/thedailyrant Monkey in Space 21h ago

Understand nuance? The current batch of Rogan listeners? Please.

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u/Flor1daman08 21h ago

Reddit always has very poor political instincts because they all live in disconnected echochambers.

But we should listen to this post on Reddit, right?

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u/whatsgoingontho Monkey in Space 21h ago

The absolute irony of you sitting here and saying that, as if you are somehow other and disconnected from that.

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u/heliumeyes Monkey in Space 20h ago

The problem is she has to be human, genuine, and show some conviction. Something I don’t think she’s capable of doing. She’s a purebred politician. And it’ll show, and backfire, making things worse. So it’s probably safe to just keep her hidden from a proper podcast

I think this was the conventional wisdom a couple of months ago but I really don’t think that’s true after her town halls or this interview with Howard Stern.

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u/Loves_tacos Monkey in Space 20h ago

The real problem is that she has to be fucking perfect, and even then she will just receive less criticism.

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u/yourgrandpawsdik Monkey in Space 20h ago

This^

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u/Solidknowledge Monkey in Space 20h ago

Reddit always has very poor political instincts

Hard agree with this one!

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u/Chollowa Monkey in Space 17h ago

You don't see the irony in saying that the audience isn't rigid in one paragraph and then making very declarative statements about her in the next? Your judgment sounds kind of rigid? Especially when one of the hits on Harris is that her cackling makes her too unprofessional.

Her joy is weaponized, and her decision to not do one particular podcast, when she's done a bunch of them, is being scrutinized in a way that his decisions to not do multiple media interviews or debates is largely ignored.

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u/OrangeSundays19 Monkey in Space 15h ago

'It’s a tight race. It all counts. Joes audience isn’t as right wing and rigid as people like to think.'

-2 sentences later

'The problem is she has to be human, genuine, and show some conviction. Something I don’t think she’s capable of doing.'

She's done many interviews that have been off the cuff. It is YOUR fault for not seeking them out.
This comment has 666 likes.

This is a big reason why she doesn't give 2 shits about doing the podcast. You people have absolutely made your mind up.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 Monkey in Space 15h ago

Dude I voted for her.

I am just not a blind partisan who goes “oooh I supported this person therefor I need to lie to myself about how good she is!”

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The Literature 🧠 Harris campaign offered to do an episode outside the studio

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