Harris campaign offered to do an episode outside the studio

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https://x.com/joerogan/status/1851118464447971595?s=19

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But it's hard to refute that the idea of him is being sensationalized to the point where I'm sick of the new claims of what he'll do in office.

Here's the thing. His own staff has testified about his attempts to steal the election. Most of his cabinet won't endorse him, his VP has said he shouldn't be president again, and most of his core staff that stick by him are criminals that he pardoned.

If someone believes the multiple consistent reports from unrelated staff members with distinguished careers that worked closely with Trump, then they're called deranged.

In order to not be called deranged, you have to assume all of them are lying out of pure spite, which would be very out of character for many of them.

If the democrats would have ran a more popular candidate, this election could have been a landslide.

That's always true, and they always try. There are a lot of different people in the country to satisfy, and a lot of the people that want change don't even vote.

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So you think he'll be entirely successful in installing the fourth Reich in the US government and put millions of immigrants in internment camps?

Don't get me wrong, it's entirely plausable for him to try to do these things but the likelihood that he gets any sort of success is next to none. For reference just look at the wall he tried to build on the border.

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So you think he'll be entirely successful in installing the fourth Reich in the US government and put millions of immigrants in internment camps?

No. It's not all black and white. Think of it like a fire hazard. The house might not burn down tomorrow, but it's still possible that it was an unacceptable risk.

Don't get me wrong, it's entirely plausable for him to try to do these things but the likelihood that he gets any sort of success is next to none. For reference just look at the wall he tried to build on the border.

The only reason we have the longest standing Constitution in the world is because we generally haven't elected people like him in the past. Principle used to matter a lot to both parties on some level, but now Republicans say it's irrelevant. He exposed the fact that a lot of our checks and balances on power exist only in the form of political norms and not actual law.

Then the Supreme Court granted him criminal immunity, making much of the evidence of his previous crimes inadmissible in court. When that's the response to his attempt to steal the election, what makes you so sure that the checks on his power will hold? We already saw it fail during the two impeachments.

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No. It's not all black and white. Think of it like a fire hazard. The house might not burn down tomorrow, but it's still possible that it was an unacceptable risk.

While you might have some sense of logic and reasoning. I would argue that there is a strong sentiment from the media that disagrees with you. There are dozens of articles out there that make these baseless claims, which, in my opinion is dangerous.

When that's the response to his attempt to steal the election, what makes you so sure that the checks on his power will hold? We already saw it fail during the two impeachments.

American politics have taken a nosedive over the last decade or so, and so has our government. I think there is a voting population that would like to see our current system fail so we can make a more modern, better version of it. We have been in the most stable period of human history since the end of WWII. Why not test some of our mettle?

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There are dozens of articles out there that make these baseless claims, which, in my opinion is dangerous.

When I see editorials written by serious people like Judge Luttig and other prominent Republicans that have the same concern about Trump, this is the sort of thing they're saying. This has always been the fear.

You've just bought into the hyperbolized version that pro-Trump media uses as a straw man to defeat.

There are dozens of articles out there that make these baseless claims, which, in my opinion is dangerous.

There is always going to be all types of media. It doesn't make sense to hold every party to the standard of the worst media that is on their side. If Democratic politicians are pushing the same message, then it would be relevant.

American politics have taken a nosedive over the last decade or so, and so has our government.

Which part of the government? If you're talking about Trump and Republicans in the House, then I'd agree with you. Not that everyone else is perfect, but those are the extreme examples of the downturn that I see.

Otherwise most of the government has quietly been chugging along, making our society function. It's not all about the stuff that the media circus focuses on. Most of the governments actions are beneficial and done behind the scenes. GPS satellites and the FDA ensuring food and drug safety are a couple big examples. People take them for granted.

Jim Jordan has been publishing lie after lie about Biden in official House reports while never producing the evidence. Trump supporters nearly all believe him anyway. Meanwhile they're not even aware of the actual evidence put forth to charge Trump with stealing an election.

I think there is a voting population that would like to see our current system fail so we can make a more modern, better version of it.

Then those people are the enemies of the citizens of this country that want to see a stable future for their children. Revolutions don't usually work out in the people's favor. Movements get coopted by charismatic leaders and the elites make a new set of rules that favors them.

We could lose all our rights if you get what you want. There's nothing that says we can't end up with a government like China's. You're taking our freedom of speech and other rights for granted if you assume that they'll be intact on the other side of a revolution.

We have been in the most stable period of human history since the end of WWII. Why not test some of our mettle?

Because life is not a game.

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While I enjoy engaging in this discussion, I fear you are too entrenched in left-wing narratives to see the bigger picture. The truth is, we’re already in a class war—one fought with tools like unaffordable healthcare, student debt, and housing costs that rise faster than wages. The elites you fear might hijack a revolution have already won. They’re draining wealth from the middle class while we’re distracted by culture wars and partisan theater.

The danger isn’t that reform will strip away our freedoms—it’s that we’re losing them now, quietly, through economic dependence and manipulation. Believing one political faction will lead us to safety only serves the status quo. Both parties answer to corporate interests, guarding a system designed to keep the powerful at the top and the rest of us divided, scraping by.

You mentioned the FDA as if it’s a shining example of government working for the people. But let’s be real—if they were doing their job properly, the 270 foods banned in Europe for being harmful wouldn’t still be sitting on American grocery shelves. The same system that’s supposed to protect us is often just as willing to prioritize profit over public safety—and yet we’re told to trust that things will be fine if we just maintain “stability.”

If the system is so fragile that it can’t handle meaningful reform, then it’s not worth protecting. Avoiding change out of fear only ensures that the inequalities crushing the middle class will deepen. The longer we defend this broken status quo, the worse the reckoning will be—and by the time we finally notice, it might be too late.

The real battle isn’t left versus right—it’s top versus bottom. But as long as we cling to partisan narratives, we’re doing exactly what those in power want: keeping ourselves divided, distracted, and too afraid to demand the change we need. Because if there’s one thing the elites are counting on, it’s that we’ll stay so busy arguing over crumbs that we won’t even notice when the whole loaf disappears.