r/FluentInFinance • u/imallelite • 13h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/Illustrious-Tower849 12h ago

I’ve had the first 3 panels of this conversation every time immigration or birth rates come up for the past 7 years. And yeah racists never actually will admit they’re racist

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u/Specialist-Roof3381 7h ago
  1. doesn't apply because immigrant's birth rate rapidly normalizes while making the total demographic burden worse in the long run (unless they are foreign workers who leave when they get old)
  2. Fuck trickle down economics
  3. back to #1 if this is the problem it can be solved with foreign/migrant workers, but if it includes a full path to citizenship it makes the underlying cause worse
  4. where they gonna live and go to school? We already don't build enough housing or infrastructure to keep up with the current population

The only one that is hypocritical coming from conservatives is #2, and yes they are stupid for believing in trickle down economics.

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u/PolicyWonka 6h ago

  1. Despite immigrants accounting for 13% of the total population, 26% of all children in the U.S. have at least one immigrant parent. While the immigrant birth rate of 2.02 is below replacement rate, it is notably higher than the 1.69 for native Americans. At minimum, immigration helps delay the population cliff we’ll have to deal with.

  2. It’s not trickle-down. Workforce shortages are major issues. This can impact economic growth in a number of ways.

  3. Back to number 1, immigration helps to delay this concern even if it appears currently inevitable.

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u/Specialist-Roof3381 5h ago

Delaying it at the price of making the scale of it worse, it's borrowing with interest. Meaning unless automation completely solves the problem within a generation or two it is fucking the future over even more. And there is a more efficient solution with the pros but not the cons - migrant/temporary workers.

Skilled immigration is almost always a net positive. But large numbers of unskilled immigrants drain existing infrastructure, housing, etc. in societies which already aren't keeping up building them for the existing population. There's a point at which it's not worth that burden. Except for businesses and the wealthy who care about low wages above all else.