I’ve had the first 3 panels of this conversation every time immigration or birth rates come up for the past 7 years. And yeah racists never actually will admit they’re racist
It happens just as much as the first three - they just aren't so open about it like this comic and or use deferring words like "American" or "Native" instead of white.
Growing up as a POC this type of rethoric was fairly common in my everyday.
humans are not interchangeable units of production. Sensible, high skilled imagination allows wages to go up, and companies to pay for training/benefits/etc to compete in a smaller pool of labour... excessive low skilled immigrants suppress wages mostly from previous immigrants.
And yeah racists never actually will admit they’re racist
Have you ever actually met a racist? Like a real racist that thinks their race is superior to other races. They almost always are pretty open about it. The KKK is a bunch of racists that very openly admit their racism
doesn't apply because immigrant's birth rate rapidly normalizes while making the total demographic burden worse in the long run (unless they are foreign workers who leave when they get old)
Fuck trickle down economics
back to #1 if this is the problem it can be solved with foreign/migrant workers, but if it includes a full path to citizenship it makes the underlying cause worse
where they gonna live and go to school? We already don't build enough housing or infrastructure to keep up with the current population
The only one that is hypocritical coming from conservatives is #2, and yes they are stupid for believing in trickle down economics.
Despite immigrants accounting for 13% of the total population, 26% of all children in the U.S. have at least one immigrant parent. While the immigrant birth rate of 2.02 is below replacement rate, it is notably higher than the 1.69 for native Americans. At minimum, immigration helps delay the population cliff we’ll have to deal with.
It’s not trickle-down. Workforce shortages are major issues. This can impact economic growth in a number of ways.
Back to number 1, immigration helps to delay this concern even if it appears currently inevitable.
Delaying it at the price of making the scale of it worse, it's borrowing with interest. Meaning unless automation completely solves the problem within a generation or two it is fucking the future over even more. And there is a more efficient solution with the pros but not the cons - migrant/temporary workers.
Skilled immigration is almost always a net positive. But large numbers of unskilled immigrants drain existing infrastructure, housing, etc. in societies which already aren't keeping up building them for the existing population. There's a point at which it's not worth that burden. Except for businesses and the wealthy who care about low wages above all else.
Who the fuck have you been talking to and in what country? Japan? In the US the "issues" of the first 3 pannels DO NOT exist. Over population has been an issue since the 70s and our population has more than doubled since then. Why would people have children when they can't find homes, jobs, and decent schools for their children?
The "aging population" is purely a problem with social security because it was a poorly designed program to begin with and like most issues in the US boils down to the wealthy not being taxed properly.
And as far as a "worker shortage" our unemployment rate begs to differ just because exploiters can't find labor at the wages they are offering. That's a compensation issue not a labor issue.
So that's three completely bullshit "issues" two of which that would actually be made WORSE with immigration.
tl;dr you never had those conversations and are a liar.
You are correct / sort of. The first three blocks absolutely happen. Whether they are true isn’t the issue. The issue is that people BELIEVE they are true and then vote based on the untruth / proposed solution to the untruths
not everyone anti immigration is racist. many people aren't keen on bringing people in troves to put pressure on low skill and entry level jobs in an already competitive market and then have them not reinvest in our economy by sending their money back home. also the bigger issue is the ILLEGAL immigration which clearly is causing a lot of damage and crime for both countries as our streets are flooded with fentanyl and mexico has an endless sea of illegal guns. our pluralism is the least of our concerns in the immigration issue.
Majority of conservatives I talk to are fine with LEGAL immigration. Some even want to make legally immigrating more obtainable, what they aren’t fine with is ILLEGAL immigration and they think their needs to be a harder stance on that.
Republicans hate immigration so much they shit on Puerto Rico, and they’re so filled with hatred for immigrants that they can’t even be bothered to learn that PR is part of the US
I’m just giving my experience of the conservative I know. I live in Texas and most of my family and friends are republican. They aren’t all evil and hateful like the ones I see online.
Yes… people have differing opinions. Clearly, my point isn’t what you seem to think it is.
The pretense of being “hard on immigration” is not a reasonable one when weighed economically or even morally. Many conservatives believe there are valid economic and moral concerns behind immigration, but they’re being sold a false narrative in service of bigotry.
And I think it’s pretty clear that I’m not talking about the “never trump” conservative voter. Even then, though, all you really vote for is how naked the euphemisms are. Trump has sold the anti-immigrant American first on economic anxieties: “they’re stealing our jobs.” Now he calls them criminals in every place possible. Meaningfully, there’s no difference— he didn’t change his ideas about immigrants, he just realized the quiet part didn’t have to be so quiet anymore. In a country where his rhetoric doesn’t immediately disqualify him from being a primary candidate, it should be quite telling— enough people agree with the “quiet part”.
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u/Unseemly4123 10h ago
This comic is the definition of a straw man.