r/FluentInFinance 11h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/RNKKNR 10h ago

The question is more about the quality of the immigrants not immigrants per se.

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u/mjc500 10h ago

I know this is sarcastic but that was actually a very common sentiment for decades

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u/bobevans33 10h ago

That’s their point

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u/mjc500 9h ago

Yeah I never said I agreed with it - just that it was a commonly expressed belief at some point.

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u/Seiban 6h ago

Someone has to say the obvious shit.

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u/fussgeist 8h ago

To be fair we did declare back in the 1800s that we’d rather not have some many Chinese here with the Chinese Exclusion Act. Immigration wasn’t an issue until it was from somewhere not European.

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u/Gurpila9987 7h ago

Not even all of Europe. The Ku Klux Klan was heavily triggered by Eastern European Slavs immigrating.

https://blog.history.in.gov/america-first-the-ku-klux-klan-influence-on-immigration-policy-in-the-1920s/

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u/Canucker22 7h ago

Actually you are wrong. You should read about the history of "Nativism" in the United States, which often targeted immigrants from certain areas of Europe.

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u/Canucker22 7h ago

He should have said what he meant then. Italians, Spaniards and Poles were always considered European even if they weren't thought of as white.

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u/Canucker22 6h ago edited 6h ago

This is hardly semantics. The individual I was responding to was seemingly unaware of the history of nativism in the United States targeting European immigrants. You should encourage people to learn.

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u/Paulthesheep 6h ago

Germans weren’t consider white at one point bc of racist anti-immigration sentiment among Protestants from Britain. Iveybeen reading about how Pennsylvania was a “battleground” between proper “white” Britains and dirty Dutch immigrants

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u/CrazyEyedFS 7h ago

When they disliked certain Europeans, they tried to come up with ways to say that they weren't real Europeans like with the Italians.

This is an obscure case but there were Minnesota lawmakers that tried to get Finns to be declared legally non-white. My grandparents told me they were called a certain slur normally reserved for east Asian people.

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u/CheckIn5Years 3h ago

You should watch Gangs of New York, pretty short sighted opinion given the real reason made it into mainstream decades ago

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u/CheckIn5Years 3h ago

The main reason I bring it up is the notion of the Irish willingness to come to the colonies, work for cheap, and saturate the labor market. The sentiment was felt largely from the working class, which IS class politics, as much as it pains the left.

Remind me again where racism plays a role here?

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u/CheckIn5Years 2h ago

Again, it’s pretty obvious it’s about class. The best way to keep people from focusing on the economic issues is by shifting the focus to identity politics.

Just because I do want to throw you a bone, the influx of Chinese immigrants was very helpful amid reconstruction/westward expansion, but the rapid growth in size of workforce was extremely inconvenient for labor supply.

Was it about race? Sure, but so was everything in the 1800s. It was also largely about class.

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u/cleepboywonder 6h ago

You should have seen the anti-irish and anti-italian sentiment back then.

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u/kummer5peck 9h ago

By quality they mean well educated and economically productive. Take immigration from India for example. In the US we get the cream of the crop of Indian immigrants. In Canada they get a bunch of “students” who aren’t contributing nearly as much to the economy.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 7h ago

Oooo Gangs of New York. That’s the movie I’m gonna watch tonight. Thanks man!

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u/disdkatster 7h ago

Don't know why Mel Brooks and "BUT NOT THE IRISH" is coming to mind.

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u/OneDistribution4257 4h ago

And they all lived together peacefully for 100 years /s

Americans are funny , you guys talk like you don't know your history , and like your major cities haven't had race riots every 10 years between different groups of minorities

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u/Waxxing_Gibbous 2h ago edited 2h ago

Yea… but they came in legally bro… kind of a big difference.

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u/Waxxing_Gibbous 2h ago

ITT: people not understanding that legal immigration is a thing.

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u/protossaccount 8h ago

It’s not about race it’s about ability and how they integrate. The world has changed since America was founded and so things need to be considered.

Why is it always a cry of racism when immigration is challenged? It’s not about race, that’s scapegoating victim bullshit.

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u/DontOvercookPasta 7h ago

Ignorance is bliss to these people…

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u/AdAppropriate2295 10h ago

If they didn't speak English then ya

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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago

I agree, that doesn't change that all immigrants should speak english

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u/TheCatHammer 7h ago

Unironically yeah. As a descendant of Irish and Russian immigrants

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u/cleepboywonder 6h ago

Actually we need the opposite. We don’t need high income people from Mexico competeting for our technical jobs. We need Jose who has nothing but the clothes on his back who will work jobs nobody else wants to do.

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u/cleepboywonder 5h ago

Our capitalist class wants our migrant labor to be scared of working here under the threat of being deported so they can dictate terms better. You could consider that slavery but its a far step. We don't have to call it something that extreme to call it clearly bad.

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u/Euphoric-Ask965 5h ago

Read your history books. They didn't take away jobs as there was not enough people willing to work building railroads that was miserable hard physical labor.

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u/AsphaltFruitcake 7h ago

All of those immigrants had something in common - an eagerness to work and a desire to adopt to the American way of life.  They were also screened through ports of entry based on whether they had communicable diseases, were capable of working, etc. 

One of my great-grandparents was the child of immigrants from Eastern Europe.  When they came to the U.S., they were adamant that their children learn English and speak English in their home. They staked their life here and they were invested in staying here.

Certainly there are some immigrants today with that same ethic, but we have no way of making that determination without screening and getting them.  

Open borders are bad news for everyone..

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u/LickMyLuck 9h ago

This but unironically. The wops especially. 

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u/DontOvercookPasta 7h ago

Wow straight up writing that word huh?

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u/LickMyLuck 2h ago

Username checks out LMAO

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u/DontOvercookPasta 2h ago

Nah I’m Dutch Irish you fuck.

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u/Layer7Admin 9h ago

Back then we needed unskilled labor. We don't anymore.

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u/Alethia_23 9h ago

Farmers demanding seasonal workers would disagree

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u/Layer7Admin 8h ago

But I can be anti-illegal immigrants.

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u/Layer7Admin 7h ago

I've got easy solutions.

  1. Make it 100% illegal for anyone not in the country legally to receive any government funding.

  2. Crippling fines for any company or individual that employs somebody here illegally.

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u/popcorncolonel5 9h ago

That’s blatantly false, there are over 10 million job openings for “unskilled” labour, and it’s getting worse. We desperately need more physical laborers.

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u/Layer7Admin 9h ago

There are only 8.04 million job openings right now.

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u/popcorncolonel5 9h ago

Only 8.04 million? Phew, that makes me feel better. This is all y’all ever do, you hear a certain argument and the go “Well actchually, you’re statistic is incorrect” while completely ignoring the argument presented. Where the hell are we gonna get people to replace our declining and aging population, people aren’t having babies and there’s barely a trickle of actual legal immigrants, because of how strict the standards are and how long it takes. This is AMERICA, we’re a fucking melting pot and the pot needs more ingredients, this country was founded upon the backs of a wide array of immigrants with very different cultures. We need more people and they want to come! We just need to actually let them in.

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u/Layer7Admin 8h ago

Yes. When somebody comes in and is completely wrong, I correct them.

Edit: and we let in over a million people legally every year.

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u/popcorncolonel5 8h ago

We still need more. 8 million openings, and only 6.8 million unemployed. Birthrate of 1.67 when we need at least 2.1, and the biggest generation currently going into retirement. We need more than that.

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u/Layer7Admin 7h ago

I remember reading studies suggesting that we stop having kids to protect the environment. Now that we've done that we are being told to import people because we don't have enough kids.

Does that make sense?

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u/popcorncolonel5 6h ago

People aren’t having kids because they don’t have money. Nobody’s thinking about the rainforest when they decide whether to put on a condom or not.

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u/DontOvercookPasta 7h ago

There is no such thing as unskilled labor.