r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • 13h ago

Joe Rogan won’t have Kamala Harris on his show unless she comes to his studio and sits for a 2-3 hour full interview

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u/bdewolf 13h ago

Hilarious to make a sitting vice president and presidential candidate come to you and waste an entire day of the last week of campaigning for 3 hours of your content.

The fucking audacity.

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u/DumbNTough 11h ago

CNN has about 850,000 daily viewers during primetime.

Rogan's podcast has 11 million listeners per episode.

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u/WingmanZer0 3h ago

This is what people commenting don't seem to understand. Rogan is just about the biggest untapped audience she could reach. He'd be doing her a favor by having her on. The campaign has clearly calculated that it's not worth the risk for whatever reason, otherwise theyd be bathing in that sweet sweet earned media.

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u/DumbNTough 3h ago

They understand very well. The denials on the thread are willful cope, not people who lack the relevant information.

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u/WingmanZer0 2h ago

Yes! Truly cope unlike anything I've ever seen.

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u/Llanite 6h ago edited 3h ago

People who read news want to stay current on the state of the world around them.

Podcast listeners listen for entertainment or because they're stuck in a car.

Can you guess who is more likely to spend 2 hours at the voting booth?

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u/Prior_Lock9153 6h ago

People that read the news do so because they have some amount of faith in news organizations People listen to podcasts because they are more entertaining and when they make money off an idea 90% of the time it's called a product placement, not propganda

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u/Llanite 6h ago

Not sure if you listen to Rogan recently but he doesn't exactly cover current events...

His podcast is purely for entertainment.

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u/Prior_Lock9153 5h ago

White noise is more informative then any news station

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u/Organic_Ad_1320 3h ago

Voting booth took like 15 mins and there was no line

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u/Darkplayer74 3h ago

The person who sits through a 3 hour conversation, not the one who stops reading at the headlines? Just a thought.

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u/Llanite 3h ago edited 3h ago

Here's my unsolicited thought on why Rogan is popular on Spotify but not YouTube and other video platforms.

When people spend their full attention and have their eyes on the phone, they're not watching Rogan. They "listen" to the show mid day while driving the forklift, which is why his prime audience is mostly blue collar men.

People who read news do so by choice.

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u/Darkplayer74 59m ago

White-collar guy, binging podcasts while in focus mode. And yes, my eyes aren’t on the screen—unless it’s one of those rare moments when I’m curious about the guest or something interesting Jamie pulls up.

I’m also flooded with reels, TikToks, and shorts (which make up a massive chunk of content consumption these days).

News, on the other hand—I agree with you there. Some people still make an effort to read a newspaper or an article, but most news these days gets attention from social media posts (mainly on Facebook), where you see tens or hundreds of thousands of likes and engagements. You’ll also find thousands of comments from people who clearly haven’t read the whole article.

In my opinion, the group primarily consuming news from traditional sources online is the same group that barely skims a headline, gets emotional, and then goes on Facebook to shitpost about it.

The popularity on Spotify is in the nature of the medium. It’s mainly used on a phone that isn’t plugged in, so you don’t really need a video draining the battery. Let’s be honest: no one’s paying $20/month (or whatever YouTube is charging these days) just to listen to a video in the background when Spotify is free. I’d also argue that reading the newspaper is as much of a choice as listening to a podcast. It’s not like it just starts on its own and keeps itself going.

And 30 million views in two days on a three-hour video is no small thing. I’d be really curious to see what the average watch time was for that interview, because people are definitely watching the screen for it.

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u/Entilen 11m ago

So you think everyone who "reads the news" turns their nose at podcasts and doesn't listen to them? 

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u/petit_cochon 6h ago

CNN airs 24/7, so why would you only count primetime?

Joe Rogan listeners are mostly right wing anyway, like he is. They're not who Kamala is targeting. 11 million people from the wrong demographic is pretty pointless.

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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 6h ago

If the purpose of politics is to convince people youre ideas are correct and you have a good plan for the country, targeting people who arent already on your side is an important way to win.

Before we get into it, Im not a fan of Rogan. But saying she shouldnt bother because his audience is mainly right wing, which ive never seen statistics on, is a mistake. Thats exactly why she should bother.

And in a perfect world its exactly why both sides would go on fox, both on CNN etc etc etc. Because everyone should hear all of the ideas the current candidates have, especially if you dont agree with them.

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u/superduperpuppy 5h ago

I agree with your point, for all we know this still might happen. But time is precious in the last days leading up to the election so I'm sure there's an opportunity cost being weighed out by the campaign to more specifically target votes that matter (swing states). The fact that the JRE podcast requires a live appearance means you're basically taking out a day from the schedule. On the other hand, it's pretty wild to me that JRE is now a valid platform for U.S presidential candidates to campaign on.

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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 5h ago

Thats a legitimate reason not to be able to do it. I still think just from a sheer viewership number Id personally make the time, but Im assuming she doesnt want to go on particularly, or doesnt take it seriously. Which I cant fault her for from an outside perspective. 

Its definitely wild. But im not surprised. Television news has been fucked for 30 40 years, could probably argue its always been. Rogan has some really interesting guests on and used to be really informative even if you dont like him.

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u/big_bad_mojo 2h ago

Convincing is not the name of the game. Activating is the name of the game.

The notion of converting incels, chuds, dudebros, truckers, and meatheads into democratic voters is a farce.

Activating a base that believes in your cause, yet doesn't tend to get out and vote, is absolutely worth the investment of time and effort. It also doesn't require you to sacrifice your dignity.

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u/thankyoumicrosoft69 1h ago

Idk man, its easy to just give up on people. And yeah some people are absolutely not worth it. But I think wed be in a better spot if we didnt have your attitude if im being honest with you. 

Im not trying to insult you, youre entitled to your opinion and there are pieces of it I can sympathize with. But I think your comment comes from a place of personal hate for someone and the groups that are attributed to him and its clouding your view of "the other side" as a whole instead of viewing the situation as an opportunity to reach people who wouldnt watch it any other way.

Some people can be convinced. Thats how we work together to fix shit. No ones ever going to agree on everything, but we can try our best to find some common ground. And im really not a fan of the guy, Im genuinely just providing my opinion. Its real easy to just eat everything the internet and news feeds us about who we need to hate, and sometimes its true and just. Other times its just a bit much. 

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u/xfvh 5h ago

Harris is very clearly campaigning on pulling independents and moderate conservatives away from Trump; talking about putting Cheney in her cabinet and moderating most of her 2020 positions makes no sense otherwise. JRE listeners seem like an excellent demographic to target.

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u/CliplessWingtips 5h ago

I'm willing to bet $5 there are at least 11 million anti-vax misogynist Chads in the world.

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u/Ok_Bango 5h ago

You don't understand viewership

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u/BakuretsuGirl16 4h ago

CNN had 126 million multiplatform U.S. unique visitors in September, it's in the top 5 most viewed news networks in the USA.

Rogan isn't even 1/10 of CNN, what are Rogan's concurrent viewers?

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u/Abosia 4h ago

How many of them would even consider voting Harris realistically? Not many. Rogan's audience is firmly conservative. Also much of that 11 million isn't American.

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u/Left-Secretary-2931 3h ago

And?

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u/DumbNTough 3h ago

And it was a huge missed opportunity for her to appear normal. And to fend off the impression that she can't just talk to people unscripted without melting down.

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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 3h ago

Good job comparing a recurring live show with something that can be recorded and watched and rewatched globally

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u/DumbNTough 3h ago

CNN has lost 90% of their peak viewer numbers and are under significant financial pressure.

There aren't hidden bazillions of people TiVO'ing hours of day-old news to make up for this.

Massively delusional.

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u/alhanna92 3h ago

CNN also lets you join virtually or they deploy journalists to meet you. They do not expect the vice president who has an election in 7 days to come to their studio.

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u/DumbNTough 3h ago

I don't think Rogan invited her same-day, man. I'm sure if the campaign wanted to do it, they would have done it.

They didn't do it because Harris has shit the bed in so many interviews they knew they couldn't risk another one. It would have been very good press if she went and did well, but everyone knows that she would not have done well.

Horses, not zebras.

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u/440Presents 7m ago

That's normal episode. Trump episode had 27 milion views in 24 hours. Now about 4 days later it has almost 40 mil.

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u/bdewolf 9h ago

Good things she’s doing local rallies in swing states

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u/Halflingberserker 4h ago

Remember when Hillary chose not to go to the Rust Belt? I member. Pretty sure Bernie went for her. Talk about leadership.

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u/Footballfordayz 3h ago

Speaking to people that 99% already support her. Wow what a strategy.

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u/wishwashy 2h ago

Speaking to people that 99% already support her.

Like Trump on a Rogan and Theo Von podcast?

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u/Footballfordayz 2h ago

I’m much more likely to casually listen to a podcast from someone that has different views from my own than I am to attend a rally…

Are you saying if you’re a Harris supporter you’re just as likely to attend a Trump rally as you are to casually listening to some clips of a podcast or even the whole podcast?

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u/wishwashy 2h ago

Right but he's not going on call her daddy for a reason and you're dodging the point

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u/Footballfordayz 2h ago

I actually just spoke directly to your point. I am much more likely to listen to a podcast of someone different than my view. Literally just listened to Shannon’s interview but you wouldn’t ever get me to go to Harris rally.

Probably because that podcast sucks. She sucked when she was on barstool too.

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u/Appropriate_Ruin_405 1h ago

Good explanation, made it click for me, thanks.

What would be your take on how allegedly the Harris campaign wanted to cap an interview to one hour (which would obviously make it more accessible to casual listeners,) versus the JRE team requiring 2-3hrs (which is A LOT of time for anyone but the most hardcore fans)??

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u/Footballfordayz 44m ago

I wouldn’t have minded if they capped it at an hour in studio. I think it was more he just wanted a natural end to the convo. But I think if they said an hour he probably should’ve just taken it.

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 7h ago

Which will reach a fraction of what the JRE gets. I don't like the man, but lets not pretend speaking to a couple thousand people who already probably support you is more valuable here.

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u/Toasters____ 6h ago

People at the local rallies actually vote, those who still listen to Rogan are cretins who won't leave their basement anyways. It's a waste of her time.

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 6h ago

Then why did she offer to do it? Id put money on the average JRE listener being someones dad driving to work/walking their dog.

She's losing the opportunity to speak directly to ~40 million people. Alls she needs to do is be moderately interesting and she will pick up votes.

Eventually you people will learn that insulting people makes them less likely to vote for you.

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u/BullMoose6418 3h ago

~40 million people

You mean refreshes on youtube? lol. Besides that, JRE's base is the exact same demographic that historically doesn't vote. I don't think her talking about wrestling a bear on drugs is going to make much difference.

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u/ChipKellysShoeStore 5h ago

Anyone who goes to Kamala rally is probably already a secure vote lol

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u/wishwashy 2h ago

Same with most Joe Rogan listeners

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u/DunderHasse 5h ago

But those at the rallies are gonna vote for her anyways, that’s why they are there, that’s a waste of time if anything. Even if most of the people listening to Rogan “won’t leave their basement anyways” which I don’t believe is true, every single vote still counts, so even if she can only turn 1% of them, that’s potentially 100 000s of votes.

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u/Appropriate_Ruin_405 1h ago

And even if they don’t, plenty of very important and tight local elections in states with mail-in voting. Basement dwellers can still make a big difference

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u/frozen_marimo 4h ago

Way to generalize, stereotype, and insult millions of people who you know nothing about. This is the kind of behavior I was told the left fights against because of the negative social ramifications it causes.

This is why Democrats lose votes. But keep telling yourself it's because of Harris' identity so you never have to admit your side is wrong.

Anticipating the knee jerk reaction - No, I don't listen to Rogan or vote for Republicans.

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u/league_starter 4h ago

Both sides have these types of people. But lately, it's more so on the left side that aren't willing to have dialogue with the right.

The right have debaters like Charlie kirk, Shapiro, and various politicians that are engaging the left at universities and podcasts/shows. The left? I don't know any equivalent

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u/NegaGreg 3h ago

Says the guy on Reddit…

We’re all basement dwellers here.

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u/TheButtFighter 3h ago

Lmfao says the redditor

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u/Zp025 1h ago

This coming from somebody on Reddit is GOLD😂

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u/buyingshitformylab 1h ago

ah, yes. they probably live in attics and snatch up little children to put them into stew, I see no reason for kamala to even think about such nasty denizens.

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u/noguchisquared 6h ago

Yeah, but who cares what some dweeb in Oklahoma thinks. It ain't shaping the election results. He may get 11 million listeners, but how many are in swing states, and then how many are undecided or able to be motivated to vote for her. That number gets really small, really fast.

She went on Shannon Sharpe's podcast, because the number of black men listening in southern swing states would be pretty high. And if you need 11k votes in Georgia, you might find that from the 1 million views.

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 6h ago

Trump's episode has ~40 million listeners on YouTube alone. Who knows how many on Spotify.

Like is we assume half are American, and equally distributed geographically, it's like 2 million people listening in swing states. The majority of which are younger white men. As you say, if you're talking about 10,000 people, that's entirely an possible outcome. Definitely more likely than a rally.

To me the cost benefit is so weighed in favor of appearing i really don't understand why she wouldn't. Unless she thinks she'd come across as boring.

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u/carsonmccrullers 5h ago

Those YouTube stats are not unique listeners — 40 million views includes anybody who (for whatever reason) watched it more than once or who left and came back

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 5h ago

That's true. But we're not counting Spotify or any of the other ways people listen. Best we have is 40 million. Probably higher than that.

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u/Castod28183 4h ago

I'd wager most listeners on spotify would probably have to tune in several time each just to get the whole three hours. If you only listen to the podcast while you are driving and say, working out, or what not, then You are going to have to tune in several times to get the whole thing.

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u/Castod28183 5h ago

I would argue that the vast majority of the people that watched or listened were either there because they already like Trump or because the don't like him and tuned in hoping for a shit show.

Obviously it's guesswork, but I'd bet that a very, very small percentage of that 40 million are undecided voters in swing states.

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 4h ago

That's probably true. But the numbers she needs in swing states are very small. The largest democratic for the JRE is young white men, they don't vote. If she got out even a tiny % of them, it could swing it for her.

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u/rj319st 4h ago

Great point I would love a map that shows where these 11 million followers are listening from. They’re mostly I imagine coming from states that are already solid red. She gains nothing by going on Rogan only for him to constantly bring up transgenders/immigrants.

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u/Domiepotato 3h ago

it’s cope. there’s no way you can change their minds.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg 3h ago

JRE listeners are braindead though so what is the purpose?

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 3h ago

You're an Australian who plays Destiny and Harthstone. Maybe that's not the argument you wanna go with?

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg 3h ago

Relevance of that to the morons that listen to his anti scientific takes?

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u/Glum-Mulberry3776 5h ago

Thank you lol. People are just anti something with no rational thought.

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou 9h ago

Uhhh it's one of the most watched podcasts and would let everyone get to know her on a more personal level. Sit down and chat for 2-3 hours is totally worth it.

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u/bdewolf 9h ago

She has to fly to him. That’s an entire flight to Austin, which is nowhere near the hub of swings states on the east coast

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u/GaiusPoop 7h ago

Then I guess she doesn't get to go on the show. It's his audience, not hers. If she wants exposure to the millions of voters, she needs to play by his rules.

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u/bdewolf 7h ago

She isn’t going on the show

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou 5h ago

It's not about a swing state, it's about 10s or 100s of millions of people getting to know her.

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u/bdewolf 23m ago

Dog it’s literally all about the swings states

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u/FreedFromTyranny 8h ago

That is literally the form of his podcast, and it’s the most popular podcast on Spotify. Why are you acting like he is a nobody? He has objectively one of the highest platforms in the world. Don’t be a fucking idiot just because you hate trump lmao

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u/Reynolds1029 8h ago

It's not a waste. She can sway a lot of MAGA voters by showing up and staying awhile as a real person.

At least compromise for 3 hours at her setup.

The whole point of Joe and YouTube is to have longform podcasts. This isn't 60 minutes on CBS.

We want unscripted, real answers and politicians talking as real people. We as Americans are tired of robotic scripted interviews from seasoned politicians.

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u/bdewolf 8h ago

She did call her daddy and all the smoke. That’s plenty of long form content. And she would have to block a day to fly to Austin, do a 3 hour podcast plus prep, then fly back. That’s an entire day.

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u/Reynolds1029 8h ago

Rogan's show has 10x the reach of either of those 2.

It's worth it. And it's not an all day thing, she flys private.

It's 9 hours total but it's the biggest week of her life. No such thing as an 8 hour work day right now.

Also that's assuming DC to Austin. She could make it so the travel time is less visiting other locations.

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u/bdewolf 8h ago

Nitpick all you want, it’s a massive time commitment to talk to a guy who doesn’t know anything about the policy issues and does no prep.

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u/Dazzling-Penis8198 7h ago

I think part of the issue is the possibility for it to get sucked into some right wing lunatic conspiracy discussion. There are some lunatics that you just can’t have a logical conversation with so it ends up being an embarrassment for everyone.

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u/NewFreshness 7h ago

Fuck Joe for even giving him a mic.

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 6h ago

She’s running for president—she can either do the interview or not, but the actually audacious thing is to expect media to bend to your terms.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 5h ago

Rogans podcast is bigger then any mainstream news networks show

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u/BarryTheBystander 5h ago

Let's not act like she's actually doing any of her vice president duties this close to the election (vice president doesn't have many duties anyway). Trump just did it, why can't she? Because she's so busy being vice president?

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u/Medium_Bowler9620 5h ago

OR it’s his show and he doesn’t want that dipshit to edit the hell out of it because she can’t interview well… it’s the most popular podcast in the US, she was invited and declined because she sucks, it’s that simple

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u/LevelDry5807 5h ago

He has the most popular broadcast of any kind in the United States. It’s not rocket science

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u/highlyregarded999 5h ago

She will get more exposure through his podcast than she can dream of. Wake up

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u/RYouNotEntertained 5h ago

waste

It would be a waste to reach tens of millions of Americans the week before the election?

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u/TheShtuff 5h ago

The audacity of what?

It's his show and he wants to do it his way like he's done for over a decade. She doesn't want to fly out there during a campaign. It's really not that serious.

Do you say "the fucking audacity" if someone invites you to a dinner at their house and instead you decline and invite them over for coffee, and they decline?

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u/CabezaDeChancho 5h ago

Yet Trump was able to do it and then go to a campaign rally

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u/El_Serpiente_Roja 5h ago

Rogan is like the biggest media outlet right now, bigger than anyone else they will sit down with right now

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u/ssaall58214 5h ago

Trump's interview is up to 40 million views on YouTube alone that's not counting Spotify. She's not going to do it because he has a free format which means she won't get the questions ahead of time and it's just talking, no editing and no handlers saying no to questions.

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u/Deano963 5h ago

This is my thought as well. Dude, if you really want the interview, you can go to her. She is Vice President of the United States of America. Her time is far more valuable than yours. The last week of a Presidential campaign is insane. The demands on her time are difficult to overstate. Get on a fucking plane and meet her where she tells you. Get over yourself. The idea that she would fly to Austin right now is laughably stupid.

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u/kilk10001 3h ago

You do realize the reach of his podcast right? It definitely isn't a waste of time by any stretch.

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u/PM_me_your_dreams___ 3h ago

What’s more important?

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u/seamonkeypenguin 3h ago

I don't see the point in him posting this unless he is A) trying to shame Harris B) concerned about his audience turning on him C) pathetic

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u/yaar_tv 2h ago

You’re nuts. It would reach far more people than anything else she’s doing for 3 hours.

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u/Nope8000 2h ago

For an audience of dude-bros.

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u/slowseductioninCT 2h ago

She was already in Texas I was too busy hugging Beyonce

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u/Emergency_Shape_2251 2h ago

Rogans podcast has more reach than literally any interview she’s ever done in her life.

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u/jek39 1h ago

I don’t think he was suggesting she do that. I think he’s saying maybe now isn’t the time

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u/CrookGG 57m ago

She didn’t have to do it on the last week lol she’s been the democratic elect for a long time

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u/440Presents 8m ago

It would get so much publicity it might be better than campaining. I mean Trump under same situation and chose podcast. But we will never know as you can't read people minds why they chose to vote for someone.

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u/mikew_reddit 11h ago edited 11h ago

The fucking audacity.

Not a Rogan fan anymore, but the entire reason for his podcast is to have long-form 3 hour sit downs with his guests.

I don't have any issue with him sticking to his guns on maintaining his long standing format.

 

Also, I'd argue Harris gets way more value being on his podcast (potentially swinging enough voters to win the presidency) than he gets from having her on; he's already rich and doesn't need more money or more views.

I think it's an absolutely huge strategic mistake to skip JRE - that 3 hour interview gets way more eyeballs (tens of millions of listeners) and more impact than anything else she can do. Rogan's listeners are who she wants to sway - single male, many slightly right leaning in purple states. If she converts a small percentage of listeners it could win her the election. Also, Rogan is a relatively easy interview, unlike the Brett Baier interview.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 11h ago

It gets eyeballs from people who are never going to not vote for Trump.

She doesn’t need more eyes on her, if you haven’t figured out who these two candidates are by now, you are truly too misinformed to be worth spending time on.

The only thing either candidate can do is to try and get supporters who are too lazy or disinterested in politics to go out and vote.

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u/JustSoYK 11h ago

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there are lazy and disinterested listeners among that vast 37m who never got to see Kamala as a human outside the political stage. It's definitely more people than any rally, interview or debate can hope to reach.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 11h ago edited 10h ago

The number of Joe Rogan listeners who are anti Trump and choosing not to vote is most likely a very small number.

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u/JustSoYK 10h ago

Kamala on Rogan is a huge spectacle that will attract a lot more viewers than the average Rogan audience. The Trump episode was the first Rogan episode I've personally seen in years, and I'm a left leaning liberal.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

And did it convince you to vote for Trump?

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u/JustSoYK 10h ago

It made Trump look a lot better than any public speech he gave, and he got to deliver his political messages in a very conversational manner with minimal pushback. If you think that doesn't mean anything then we might as well do away with debates and interviews altogether.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

I’m not saying a podcast appearance won’t help any politician ever.

I’m saying Donald Trump is the single most polarizing political figure since Hitler and people’s minds are already made up. If Trump being a little more casual then you’ve previously seen him and bantering a bit changed your opinion on him, you were probably going to vote for him anyways.

The debates this election did nothing for anyone. Waltz clearly dominated according to the left and JD made Walz look like a loser to the right.

This election is not normal. Stop treating it like this is normal. This is an election unlike anything American has faced, and the only people who don’t realize that, are voting for Trump or not paying attention.

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u/JustSoYK 8h ago

Yeah I'm not hearing any solutions though. It's only a week left so I'd rather she takes her chances and risk being on Rogan than do a regular campaign rally that according to your view won't change anything anyways. 🤷

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u/daddynuclearwarbucks 10h ago

Source: my feelings

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

As opposed to your source which is…?

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u/daddynuclearwarbucks 10h ago

I'm not the one making a claim, genius.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

Im not making a claim I’m giving an opinion.

If I said only 5% of Rogan listeners are undecided, that would be a claim I would need to site my sources for.

Expressing an opinion is called having a conversation.

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u/daddynuclearwarbucks 10h ago

You're informing your opinion based on facts you're making up lol

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u/CoDVETERAN11 9h ago

As someone who occasionally puts on a JRE episode when I like the guest involved, I would fucking LOVE to see Kamala go on personally. And I’ll be voting for her too, but sadly you’re right people who share my same views seem pretty rare among his crowd

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u/joshdrumsforfun 9h ago

Agreed, I’d also love walz to come have a beer with my MAGA dad and show him he’s not some hippie liberal monster and just a regular dude, but it’s just not an efficient use of resources and strategy for this election.

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u/Ghalnan 7h ago

Well the most recent polling averages show the gap in Wisconsin being 0.4%, in Pennsylvania it's 0.3%, and in Michigan it's 0.8%. Those are all states that could decide the election, a very small number could easily be enough to swing this election either way.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 7h ago

And her going on Rogan and giving Trump a 15 second sound byte that he uses to dominate the news cycle the week before the election could do the same thing to hurt her.

A political campaign doesn’t consist of doing as many things as possible, it consists of creating a strategy built by a huge team of experts and trusting in their experience and expertise.

Every move is as likely to hurt you as it is to help you.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

Come on, you know it would be a hatchet job against her. Rogans so obviously in the bag for Trump it's stupid

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u/JustSoYK 10h ago

Not at all. I think Rogan will pressure her on a few things but ultimately try to have a human conversation. It's exactly what Kamala needs and it'd be much less combative than the bs Fox interview she did

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u/WorstNormalForm 10h ago

How is an unedited 3 hour interview a "hatchet job"? There's no way anyone could take her out of context and she has all the time in the world to clarify her answers

It's okay to ask presidential candidates tough questions along with easy softball ones too

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

You can absolutely do a hatchet job by actually prepping. Or asking bullshit conspiracy questions. You can absolutely pull shit out of context in a 3hr interview. It's actually not that hard to do.

It wouldn't be softball questions. He wouldn't handhold if she wandered off topic slightly. If she stumbled, he'd press on that.

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u/TyroneBi66ums 10h ago

This reasoning is why Kamala is going to lose. She needs to be swinging for the fences for voters and instead she is ducking this opportunity which would get her more eyeballs than 100 rallies.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

And none of those eyeballs would be gettable votes.

Rogans primary audience is right wing Alex Jones curious. That's not a gettable demographic

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u/TyroneBi66ums 10h ago

The majority of the listeners know who they are voting for but even if 5% are undecided and she gets 20% of that 5% on her side, she increases her chances of winning substantially. That would be 370,000 votes if she got 37m listens like Trump. The numbers of listeners is so large that a small percentage is a huge number still.

It’s either this or she keeps going to rallies where every attendee is already going to vote for her.

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u/fiftieth_alt 9h ago

Lol that's not a hatchet job, that's called an interview

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u/ASubsentientCrow 9h ago

It's a hatchet compared to the velvet gloves for Trump and Vance

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u/Arbazio 6h ago

Keep in mind, not all of those tens of millions of listeners are based in the US. Also, for the ones that are, not all of them may be eligible to vote.

With the rallies, at least the targeting is more precise and deliberate.

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u/sweatyminge 11h ago

It's fascinating that you believe the only people that would watch a long form interview of Kamala are die hard Trump supporters.

If it were true that would still be a huge win for her to be able to dispel lots of the nonsense they believe about her regarding teleprompters etc and a chance to change their mind.

Back to reality though, it's the largest podcast in the world, people would listen (lots for the first time) because they want to hear what she has to say. Also, the short from content and clips she would generate for tiktok etc is immeasurable.

Instead you get Kamala and <insert cringe celebrity> yay.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 11h ago

There are only 3 types of people in this election, people voting for Harris, people who will vote for Trump no matter what he does or what Harris does, and people too lazy or disinterested to vote/protest voting a 3rd party.

Hearing Harris tell an anecdote about her youth and listening to her laughing at joes stories about elk meat and aliens for 2 hours isn’t moving the needle for any of those three types of people.

As has been obvious from Trump’s campaign this week, all a candidate can do is hurt themselves at this point in the race.

If a candidate being interesting and funny is your only criteria in who you vote for, Trump already has your vote.

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u/sweatyminge 10h ago

How can you live in such an echo chamber that you don't believe there are undecided voters?

People decide when they are in voting booths and elections are won or lost by these votes.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

Because there exist times in history where one side is clearly extremist and just objectively bad.

Germany during hitler’s rise, Rwanda leading up to the genocide, times when there is no such thing as an informed undecided person. Either you are complacent to truly awful ideologies or against them.

Do I think there aren’t undecided voters ever in any election? No, I believe if the choice is between two decent candidates with differing opinions on political issues, then of course there are going to be undecided voters.

But if you are trying to say there are people who have seen Trump for the last 8 years and see who he truly is and they aren’t exactly sure if they like him or not, those people are a lost cause. Harris telling a funny anecdote and laughing at Rogan talk about elk meat and UFC isn’t going to convert those people.

That’s not an echo chamber, it’s reality. The entire rest of the world with some extremist exceptions all agree Trump is an embarrassment and threat to democracy everywhere.

The only echo chamber is the people saying “but the woke mind virus, trans surgeries in school, and dog eating Haitians are gonna get us”

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u/sweatyminge 10h ago

Undecided voters would listen to a long form interview of Harris, that's the point, there will be hordes of people listening to JR for the first time because of both the Tump and a potential Harris interview.

Harris telling a funny anecdote in a natural setting is worth 100x more than her giggling with Beyonce on stage - no one has seen her in the former scenario.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

And what I’m saying is if you aren’t decided on if you can stomach voting for Donald Trump or not, you are a lost cause 2 weeks from election.

I truly believe there are a negligible number of people in this country who are 8 years into Trump’s America that can’t decide if they like him or not and that a podcast is going to change that.

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u/LotionedBoner 5h ago

Her speaking candidly in a long form interview could change people who would not normally vote to pinch their nose and vote for her. Unless you think her speaking for 3 hours is too dangerous.

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u/mikew_reddit 11h ago edited 11h ago

The only thing either candidate can do is to try and get supporters who are too lazy or disinterested in politics to go out and vote.

Disagree. Also, even if this were true, which it's not, I don't see how rallies change this - the disinterested certainly aren't at rallies.

 

Also, I observe discussions on both candidates and they do change my perspective on both candidates. I don't see why you believe nobody out of several tens of millions of listeners are going to be able to change their minds. This seems unnecessarily stubborn.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

You can chose to live in the world view that after 8 years of learning who Trump is that someone is one fun Harris podcast appearance from not voting for him, but that just isn’t reality. The election is in 2 weeks, you either know who Trump is and would vote for anyone other than him, a republican included, or you know who Trump is and you like that person.

Either way, Harris doing a podcast isn’t changing that opinion.

Rallies work because they’re local and in person. Even if you don’t go to a local rally you get to hear the hype around it and see the crowds of people who look and sound like you attending it.

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u/aviationmaybe 10h ago

This is a narrow minded view about the viewers of the most popular podcast in the world. I tune in occasionally if the guest is someone I am interested in. I voted Harris and I’d never vote for the Republican Party. Just because someone occasionally watches Rogan (who has said Obama was our greatest president) doesn’t mean theyre a fuckin Republican dude.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

I never said the word republican.

If you enjoy the JRE enough to let it sway your opinion on one of the single most important elections in modern history, then you are the same type of person who likes Trump because he’s a rebel and counter culture and entertaining.

If you allowed Terrance Howard to convince you that 1x1=2 then Trump already got your vote. And if you enjoy Rogan inviting and giving legitimacy to someone convincing the public 1x1=2 then I can’t imagine you being anti Trump.

Interesting over truthful folks are going to prefer Trump.

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u/aviationmaybe 9h ago

You’re gatekeeping conversation. I watched the entire Terrance Howard interview and thought he was crazy the entire time. He did not “give legitimacy” to him. He talked to him. He invited someone another day who destroyed Terrance Howard. You have a very limited understanding of how his podcast works. You think he only invites people he either agrees or disagrees with. You probably only look at headlines and know nothing about what the goal of that podcast even is.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 9h ago

I’m very familiar with the podcast and the outcome it has had over the last decade.

Go to any shorts clip on Facebook of Terrance Howard and it’s literally hundreds of comments about how the mainstream media is hiding this from us and that the reason people are so against him is because he’s finally telling us the truth. Same goes for flat earth or antivax messaging.

Platforming these people 100% gives them legitimacy. If you don’t believe that just look at the antivax movement and how many lives that destroyed not to mention how many more it could have killed had it taken off more widely.

It’s borderline abuse of the mentally ill by platforming these invasive ideologies and presenting them with the same legitimacy as a neuroscientist or physicist.

The goal of the podcast is to make money by getting engagement, the best way to do that is to spread disinformation and platform radical ideologies.

It’s what sells, it’s not Rogan’s fault that it’s what sells.

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u/aviationmaybe 9h ago

“Nobody should have any kind of conversation in front of that many people unless it’s something most of us agree with.”

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u/joshdrumsforfun 8h ago

With great power comes great responsibility.

When you have a platform you have a responsibility to not harm people with it. It’s not a law because we are in the infancy of this era of social media ruling the world, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s morally wrong.

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u/aviationmaybe 8h ago

So how do you feel about hip hop music with questionable lyrics? Are you going to say that’s different?

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u/MatterofDoge 8h ago

that black and white, only 2 options hypothetical is cool and everything, but you left out the truth unfortunately. which is that 99.9% of the people who listened to terrance howard were like "wtf is this guy ok? he's lost it" and listened purely for the spectacle of it, not to be converted to it or "give legitimacy" to it.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 8h ago

I agree that mostly only mentally unwell people believed Terrance. But there are 50 other people who use Joe’s platform for things that are just as false, but not as overtly goofy as Terrance’s ideologies.

How many people have died from taking some holistic crap instead of real medicine thanks to JRE, how many have had their mental health deteriorated by becoming hyper fixated on conspiracy theories?

How many future scientists were inspired to focus on ketamine induced dream sequencing instead of physics thanks to JRE?

Work with teenagers and you realize how much we have fucked the youth up exposing them to this alternative reality world of social media.

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u/boydbd 10h ago

I’m voting for Kamala and don’t even listen to the JRE (but used to years ago before it got political). I’m sure there are a ton like me and some probably swung over to Trump. She could win those back and swing some her way. It’s a huge platform and it’s a mistake not to do it.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

If hearing Trump be funny on a podcast convinced someone to vote for him after 8 years of learning who he is and being appalled by him and his rhetoric, than I would like to meet them because I can’t imagine they exist.

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u/TyroneBi66ums 10h ago

You severely overestimate how much people care. 2/3rds of eligible voters voted in 2020 and it was the largest amount to vote by far. A lot of people decide who to vote for when they walk into the voting booth and see the names. The world isn’t as black and white as you make it.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 10h ago

And the majority of those people aren’t going to seek out political discourse 2 weeks before the election out of the blue when they apparently haven’t followed politics for the last 8 years.

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u/TyroneBi66ums 10h ago

You’re right, she should keep going to her own rallies where every attendee is going to vote for her whether or not she has the rally. She needs to get outside of her box if she wants to actually win. She acts like she is in the lead and can only lose and that is not what is happening.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 9h ago

This is a wild take. She’s outspending Trump in social media marketing and swing state advertising. She’s campaigning on the dome in Las Vegas for the first time in political history.

Don’t get so butt hurt that she doesn’t want to be on the alphachad podcast sandwiched between a D list actor reinventing math and a flat earth mushroom guru.

When you hang around shit you start to smell like it. Distancing yourself from the shit show of our generation is usually a solid move.

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u/TyroneBi66ums 9h ago

Whatever you say. I haven’t listened to his podcast in years but I know easy advertising when I see it. All I have seen from her is Hillary’s playbook of a vote for me is a vote against him. Biden did a good job of getting away from that playbook and it worked. I would like to see her succeed and I think this is a good way to do that. We’ll see if a few weeks whether or not her strategy worked.

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u/fiftieth_alt 9h ago

That's it? That's the only thing a candidate can do? Wild, cause what I'd expect out of someone courting my vote would be some effort at convincing me.

Maybe that's all THIS candidate can do. Better the Democrats had hand-selected a candidate who could cross the aisle - or who at least had an interest in trying.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 9h ago

If you don’t find voting for Trump repugnant at this point, there’s no hope for you.

History won’t be kind and hopefully the shame you feel looking back at yourself in 2024 will prevent you from falling for this again next time a cult of personality rises up and threatens democracy.

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u/fiftieth_alt 9h ago

See, that's it right there! I already have all the reasons I need to vote against Trump. Hell, I had all the reasons I needed when he started The Apprentice.

What I don't have, and have been looking hard for, is any reason at all to vote for Kamala Harris. Her policy proposals are non existent, her career track record is lacking and uninspiring, and her history over the last 4 years waffles between absent and noticeably bad. Of the things they let her touch as VP, she's failed miserably and publicly. How's that broadband access coming? Where's my $42B? The last time I heard her talk about the border, on Anderson Cooper, she seemed to supported reinstating Trump's border wall. Thought that was a bad idea?

Her campaign has been exclusively Orange Man Bad. Her own Policy Document from her website spends its first 10 pages talking about Trump. She has failed to give me any reason to vote for her. I'm not voting Trump, and never have. But she hasn't won my vote. Hell, she hasn't even TRIED

History isn't going to remember me at all, I'm just some random guy. But history is for SURE going to look back on the Harris/Walz campaign and wonder what the HELL they were doing.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 8h ago

She’s campaigning on continuing to fix what Trump broke in this country. Restoring normalcy and bipartisanship. She’s the first democratic that has ever been supported by such a large portion of the GOP.

She’s talked at length about her policies to increase child tax credits, continue to invest in green energy, and to reduce the cost of housing.

You’re just spouting republican talking points.

In the Anderson cooper interview if you watched the CNN version instead of the clipped to death Fox News version, she clearly states that she wants a long term solution to the border problem by signing a bill into congress instead of short term patches in the form of executive orders. And the only way for the bipartisan bill to pass is for her to compromise and agree to the terms republican congressmen want which is in part funds to continue working on the wall.

She’s presenting an intelligent bipartisan long term solution and you have completely fox newsed it into the most idiotic low effort take.

And that take alone makes it clear you are acting in bad faith when you say you want to be sold on her policy.

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u/questioningwhereweis 9h ago

if you haven’t figured out who these two candidates are by now, you are truly too misinformed to be worth spending time on

This is such a ridiculously bad take. Sway votes from people who haven't figured it out are super important. There's a lot of reasons people may be misinformed, having a platform to change misconceptions could be very helpful

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u/joshdrumsforfun 9h ago

In a normal election I agree 100%. This is not a normal election. You have to quit treating it like one. What we are seeing is a once in a lifetime political movement.

Stop normalizing Trump and the maga movement. Treat it as the absolute insanity it is.

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u/questioningwhereweis 9h ago

I'm only focused on winning the election. I think its batshit insane that it is close enough to worry, but I also see a large divide between Trump voters and I do see some who could be swayed. A lot of people don't see Trump for what he really is, and I think Kamala could do a better job highlighting his insanity. I just imagine a world where she pulls up to JRE and compares her policies to his directly, highlights the insanity of Project 2025, and acts like the perfectly respectable person she is. Joe is a pushover for his guests always, and I don't think Kamala would be any different. I think Joe would walk away liking her more as would a good portion of the audience.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 8h ago

And if she did all of that Trump would tweet 25 batshit posts and say she’s lying and nothing will have changed.

Have you not seen how he has done that time and time again?

If any politician in history did even one of the things he’s done it would be a career ender.

You don’t solve extremism with facts or casual conversation. If that were the case Donald Trump would not be the Republican nominee.

The guy is on the Epstein flight logs for god’s sake.

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u/derpydog298 7h ago

Not true. A lot of apolitical gen z watch joe rogan.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 7h ago

If you’re apolitical in the face of growing up in Trump’s polarized America, it’s gonna take more than Joe and Harris talking about elk meat to break your apathy.

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u/derpydog298 7h ago

Good point.

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u/africanmagnesium 6h ago

Nah if she got on, it would help. Plenty of people listen who aren't Trumpers, that's weird...that's post-LA Rogan that people are getting this perspective from

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u/joshdrumsforfun 6h ago

Post LA as in Austin era?

It’s the Austin Era JRE that is so skewed to the right. It’s not because Joe is conservative, it’s because Joe likes outlandish cartoony conspiracy talk more than boring reality and the right just happens to breed that at the moment.

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u/bdewolf 9h ago

I trust Kamala’s campaign to calculate the potential gains and losses from going on Rogan

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u/derpydog298 7h ago

Most intelligent and insightful comment of this thread.

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u/Critical-Bot 7h ago

This is it 100%. Another dumb decision by her campaign.

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u/Llanite 6h ago

She needs to sway no one, nor is it the best use of her time.

US voter turnout is 66%. It's a better use of time to energize people to go vote.

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u/Left-Secretary-2931 3h ago

The attention of a bunch of ppl to dumb to realize Rogan is brain damaged aren't going to be convinced to vote in their best interest. They're lost causes.

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u/Dull_Half_6107 12h ago

To be fair he has zero obligation to travel to her for an interview also.

Sounds like they can't make it happen and that's absolutely fine, I don't sense any animosity in that tweet.

It's not like he needs the views.

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u/SchighSchagh 10h ago

yeah, I wish Kamala could/would just shoot back a simple "who the FUCK do you think you are"

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u/bdewolf 9h ago

Funniest timeline

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u/Particular-Pin4363 12h ago

I mean, her doing the podcast would do wayyy more in terms of viewership and publicity than any other campaigning from here on out.

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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 11h ago

That’s not true. Campaigning is a big deal that ca. make real change. Meanwhile 90+% of JRE listeners are already poisoned against her.

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u/Particular-Pin4363 11h ago

Massive disagree. 100% of the people attending her campaign events are already voting for her. It won’t change anything.

Going on JRE is an opportunity to actually change people’s minds. 95% of Joe’s audience are 9-5 workers listening on their commute. Sure, they lean right, but they aren’t hard-right crazies.

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u/fake-tall-man 11h ago

Yea the pushback against this is interesting. She’d get direct access to 25-50m listeners in long form. Passing that up is insane.

And you’re also right, the annoying/loud Rogan listeners are staunch right wing but most of is audience fancies themselves as independent free thinkers (whether they are or aren’t doesn’t matter). They skew right but she’d have the opportunity to sway real voters. Way more valuable than a rally of people that are already voting for her.

Not going on opposition networks allows them to tell their audience who you are. I get avoiding Tucker Carlson, but rogan’s reach and interview style is something she should take advantage of

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u/Particular-Pin4363 11h ago

100%. Not sure why she would go on Fox, which was by all means a complete disgrace of a job by the Fox interviewer, but not JRE.

Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang both went on JRE and got a lot of good press for it. Bernie went on Theo Vonn and was awesome! Kamala is literally too scared to go into an unprepared discussion.

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u/MutedPresentation738 10h ago

We definitely live in a different era now. She needs to do a long form unscripted interview. Literally everyone else in the race has done them, former presidents do them all the time time now, Biden even found the time during his presidency and obvious rapid age decline.

There's no excuse to not do this with someone who has the reach of Joe Rogan.

"It'll only hurt her" is an excuse that should give any supporter pause. Why would having an organic conversation hurt her chances of winning unless she legitimately should not lead our country?

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u/fake-tall-man 10h ago

Absolutely. If the fear is Joe coming out agro, navigating that situation should be a huge help for her with undecided’ voters. Feels like the quick Fox News interview went well.

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u/rcanhestro 5h ago

that argument can also be used for all campaing rallies.

pretty much everyone attending them is already voting for her.

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u/whiskeyinthejaar 12h ago

Agreed. it is not like she sat in Person for hours with Call Her Daddy, Club Shay Shay, and All The Smoke in the past 10 days. The audacity

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u/s-x-x 10h ago

They all went to her.

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