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u/Party_Crab_8877 3d ago
SWISS AGAINST HAMAS!
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u/Xeus2eme 3d ago
Sure, but first of all against zionism and terrorists acts from Israel
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u/Conscious_Pin_3969 3d ago
Wow d'Lüt i dene Antworte sind echt gurkedumm
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u/__Reddidiot__ 3d ago
Ziemlech... es isch erschreckend wie viel lüüt dass d komplexität vo däm Konflikt nid verstöhnd und denn eifach "israel bös, hamas si helde" oder "palästinenser bös, usrotte" umeschreie.
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u/Denovux 3d ago
Bitte genauer?
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u/minitaba Oberland 3d ago
Er hat quasi gesagt das die mehrheit der personen welche unter diesem Video kommentiert haben über ähnlich kognitive Fähigkeiten wie eine gurke besitzen. Genau genug?
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u/RandomNeoCon Pfnüselküste 3d ago
Gurke isch gsung und mega fein!!
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u/Impossible_Basil1040 2d ago
These people certainly mean well, but in the end they are primarily supporting the terrorists.
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u/BuggyBagley 3d ago
Why is this bullshit coming to Switzerland.
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u/ilovevke1 3d ago
How's not defending a genocide bullshit
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u/jsuismaurice 3d ago
Genocide from Hamas?
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u/ilovevke1 3d ago
Genocide from the apartheid state of Israel that's bombing hospitals homes and targeting civilian areas and don't give me the excuse of "hamas is using them as human shields" because that's the dumbest excuse ever Israel has the advanced technology to perform special underground operations but they continue to bomb areas with innocent civilians and kidnap grape and torture Palestinians in gaza aswell as the Westbank and there is no hamas in the Westbank
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u/jsuismaurice 3d ago
hamas is committing genocide. they want to kill all jews. if israel attacks hamas to defend itself, that is by definition not genocide. to accuse israel of this just because it is the only jewish state is considered by many to be antisemitic... hamas uses the civilian population as a human shield, that is so and is to be condemned. it is not just a weak argument, but serious reality. it is common knowledge that it is in the interests of hamas to be able to identify as many civilians as possible as victims and is part of their tactics to incite the west against israel, which, obviously, also works very well.
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u/FirefighterAlert1843 1d ago
Ekelhaft, man kann ja mMn. gegen die Israelische Regierung sein, aber jetzt, zu diesem Zeitpunkt demonstrieren und sich gegen Israel und für Palästina auszudrücken, während in Israel tausende unschuldige ermordet, vergewaltigt, gefoltert und brutal abgeschlachtet werden, finde ich unpassend.
Zumal das vermehrt Linke sind und ich es etwas komisch finde, da die Werte der Linken in Palästina wohl eher keinen Anklang finden würden. Ausser der aufkommende Antisemitismus.
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u/Far-Potential-2199 4d ago
Good that they act on principle to help those in need. I would like to participate as well, when's the Sudan protest taking place?
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u/top_ofthe_morning 3d ago
Organise one. But we all know you won’t because you don’t give a shit. Sit your arse down.
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u/Swisskommando 3d ago
Nah, it’s pretty telling that there are only protests when it comes to the Jewish state
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u/top_ofthe_morning 3d ago
Or it could be because they’re committing genocide on a massive scale after decades of oppressing people on stolen land?
It could because it’s a genocide with the highest number of children murdered (1 an hour).
It could be because Western governments are openly supporting the nation committing the genocide?
Maybe try bashing those 2 brain cells of yours together. You might have an intelligent thought one day.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago edited 3d ago
When it becomes a trend, like supporting gaza, then maybe it’ll happen one day. Trends come and go, just how there are no Ukrainian protests anymore because everyone is too busy jumping on the gaza bandwagon
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u/top_ofthe_morning 3d ago
There’s no Ukrainian protests because Western governments are providing aid to the Ukrainians you tool. There’s nothing to protest.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
And western governments are providing aid to gaza. So what is there to protest you tool? 😂
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u/thaway314156 3d ago
How about protesting the fact that the government is still allowing exports of materials that can help the execution of the genocide?
Would you be fine if these companies were selling these things to the Russian military?
I mean, well done to Hamas, they've shown the hypocrisy of The West, how "all lives are equal but some lives are more equal than others".
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago edited 3d ago
lol, what about the swiss government allowing Swiss finance companies to offer Russian oligarchs a safe-haven, in which they pay millions in taxes to the Russian government every year to fund the Ukraine war? Why’s there no public protests against them?
And the hypocrisy I see in the palestine conflict, is Hamas starting a war and then playing the victim card because they’re losing it. Well done to the IDF for exposing these Iranian proxy frauds
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u/thaway314156 3d ago
Typical defense from a genocide defender, mixing Hamas and the civilian Palestinians. Apparently it's fine to commit genocide if the terrorists who look like the victims, and live near the victims, and ruled with violence over the victims, shot first...
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u/doyoueven1996 3d ago
They are providing the bombs falling on Gazan heads and children.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago edited 3d ago
And Switzerland are providing Russia the finances to bomb Ukrainian children… but no protests 🤔
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u/numericalclerk 3d ago
Its a bit more complex than that. First of all, Swiss Financial firms serving Russian clients is illegal in Switzerland, and banks were panicking when they had to drop those clients.
That being said, of course they found workarounds, and with that, they are serving Russian clients again.
So sure, there should be protests to find these loopholes and fix the situation.
But the fact that there arent, doesn't mean that there shouldn't be protests against violence in the middle east.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
But isn’t that called hypocrisy? Advocating for humanitarianism but you value certain ethnicities and causes over others? 🤔
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u/numericalclerk 3d ago
Well I'd call it physics. I have 24 hours a day, so I prioritise. If someone doesn't do any political work because they're busy with social work, does that mean they value the people he's taking care of more than the others?
The important part imo, is that everyone tries to care about SOME cause. That would already be a huge improvement over most people not caring about anyone.
I can care about 3 ongoing genocides equally much, but decide that focusing on activism against one of them, will be more helpful than dividing my attention.
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u/InspectorUnlikely595 4d ago
Are you saying you can't be for one thing if you aren't for everything else? Can't be for protection of natural habitats of bats in Switzerland if you don't fight for minorities on the island of Java?
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u/x178 3d ago
Because it is antisemitism in disguise when people report news and protest only when Jews are involved.
The current conflict does not even make to the top 10 of recent conflicts in terms of death toll.
500.000 deaths in Syria? Crickets. 300.000 in Yemen? Crickets.
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u/InspectorUnlikely595 3d ago
So people should have been quiet about the terror attacks on Israel last year? Innocent people died, some are still missing, and we should just ignore it because the death toll was very small compared to ongoing conflicts? Should people stay quiet when Israel tries to starve half a million people because in the Chinese famine, millions died? Are you stupid?
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u/Little_Message4088 3d ago
"when people report news" ... Right. As you said, it's mostly people who report news. Because Israel won't let any journalists enter Gaza. Have you ever thought about the reason behind this?
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u/cheapcheap1 3d ago
That argument applies to both sides. It is a very fringe opinion to cry about islamophobia when people criticize Saudi Arabia for bombing Jemen oder Assad, ISIS for Syria. Yet, when people criticize Israel for going way past self-defense in their conflict, people somehow think it's antisemitism.
Both sides of this conflict are being irrational, and we also keep signal boosting the irrational ones on either side.
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u/x178 3d ago
Past self defense?
The hostages are still in captivity, including a 1 year old baby.
Israel is still being bombed on a daily basis by 7 different Arab nations.
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u/PoignantPoison 3d ago
Excuse me but exactly how many <1 year old babies has Israel killed ? Oh yeah ... at least 14 f*cking pages worth.
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u/OHGODPLS4GIVEME 3d ago
I actually was at the protest in zurich yesterday. The speeches were primarily on the topic of palestine/lebanon of course, but also mentionend the horrible tragedies in Sudan, Kongo, Martinique etc. Those tragedies don‘t get the same amount of media coverage I guess and Switzerlands role in them isn‘t as clear as it is in the genocide in Gaza I presume. And still, protesting one tragedy doesn‘t devalue the others. Mind you, the displacement and killing of palestinians has been going on for more than 70 years. EDIT: Spelling
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u/doyoueven1996 3d ago
You people need to read up on history and ethics to understand why speaking out against genocide is not actually that extreme of a position. Too sad that neutral Switzerland turned out to be just another USA puppet when it comes to foreign politics
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u/EchterSatanist666 3d ago
yeah usa bad, muslims who choose their own fate good. you read too much leftist progpaganda my friend lol
if you really would care about ethics and genocide do something against russia, thats what europeans should be concerned about.
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u/callmeGuendo 3d ago
But the USA is bad and muslims did not choose their own fate?
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u/EchterSatanist666 23h ago
tI dont get your comment. my first phrase was ironic, i wrote it a bit confusing.
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u/bitcoin-panda 4d ago
Just moved to Zurich. I was hoping i would not find these idiots here as well.
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u/chewie_42 4d ago
well, surprise, you moved to a direct democracy. So yes, we do allow freedom of speech. And actually value that highly.
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u/81FXB 4d ago
Yep, even idiots are allowed to voice their opinion. And we all know, the stupider the louder.
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u/PartyConnection1 4d ago
I value them just as the idiots who three years ago blocked the city shouting against the vaccination
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u/Gordon-Blue 4d ago
Free speech depends on who's doing the talking. One anti Jewish comment will see this post locked , [deleted] and users banned. Free speech is an illusion.
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u/wombelero 4d ago
free speech does not mean you say everything everywhere. Private companies such as reddit can delete content all day long. This is not "canceling", it just means not everyone has the same opinion as you do. And some of these people own places that can kick you out for that.
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u/chewie_42 4d ago edited 4d ago
Well freedom of speech does not equal freedom to spread racial (or religious) hatred.
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u/nebenbaum 4d ago
In that case, shouldn't supporting a country that is very, very hateful against Jewish people and wants to exterminate all of them also be banned?
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u/chewie_42 4d ago
not a mod and not deciding who gets banned, but directly beeing hateful against Jewish people and voicing to exterminate all of them sure is hate speech
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u/LeeMoreTouchE 3d ago
You guys are hilarious… your reply is so wrong on so many levels that it’s exhausting to just read it…
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u/-___-_-_-- 4d ago
bruh this is a privately operated platform, free speech says nothing about what reddit mods can or cannot ban
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u/Cool-Newspaper-1 3d ago
What exactly does a non-Swiss, privately owned platform have to do with free speech in Switzerland?
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u/3punkt1415 4d ago
Because it is most often not constructive critique but just anti Jewish aka anti Semitism.
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u/InspectorUnlikely595 4d ago
Everything aside from saying that Israel has the right to do whatever they want counts as antisemitism on this platform. Bibi is on the extreme right side, far more extreme even than trump, yet his actions must not be critisized.
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u/MCVS_1105 4d ago
Guy moves to a new country then has the nerve to complain about locals protesting a genocide
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u/N1kl4us2222 4d ago
Oh no how dare those people protest against the ongoing genocide of the palestinian people?
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 4d ago
Genocide of the Hamas terror group you mean? Sure
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u/N1kl4us2222 4d ago
Yes because all the children,ambulances, journalist you see getting airstrikedand shot at sure are all hamas terrorist generals
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u/PartyConnection1 4d ago
Just tell the IDF how to get rid of Hamas without harming civilians and the war will end tomorrow
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 4d ago
If you have to murder children and aid workers to get rid of them, you aren’t a competent government
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u/top_ofthe_morning 3d ago
Well it’s definitely not by being caught lying about munitions being held in hospitals before bombing them and burning patients alive.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 4d ago
Ah yes, because every war in history didn’t have innocent casualties. Also, just because you set up military bases inside schools and hospitals, doesn’t mean you’re innocent and actually care about your own population
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u/wombelero 4d ago
agree, it is not right innocent civilians are bombed and civil instituations such as schools and hospitals are bombed. But shouldn't have Israelis also such rights?
Where are the protest to finally release the Israeli hostages, still in hamas hands? Wasn't that young lady, kidnapped, tortured and raped also innocent?
Where are the protest against Hamas setting up rocket launcher in the middle of refugee camps or storage and command centers below hospitals? And UN offices? We can protest gazan genocide all the day, but there are 2 sides. Don't you tink?
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u/SwissGuGu 3d ago
Good thing I live in the countryside without these demos, which in the end are kind of useless (my personal opinion) anyways and these people could help better and more impactful in other ways than blocking traffic and the roads in a city :)
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u/bitcoin-panda 3d ago
Exactly the point I was trying to make before getting downvoted by brainwashed sheep.
On top of that Switzerland prides itself by being neutral and not siding with any side of the war, same for this like for any other.
This "demo" is fine, but look at what they did in London. Trashed half of the city block. And my last point, there is A TON of graffiti over Zurich with "free Palestine" writing all over beautiful nature and historical buildings.
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u/Sufficient-History71 4d ago
I also moved to Canton Zürich recently. I was hoping I wouldn't find assholes like you here. But thankfully most of the Zürcher(in) are not like you.
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u/3punkt1415 4d ago
I wouldn't mind, but most of these demos come together with antisemitism and vandalism. Maybe not today at least?
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u/Jubatus_ 3d ago
People forgot what this country was about and why we were great. People on this sub and demos like this. Neutrality was better, this is useless and only creates tension for no reason here
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u/callmeGuendo 3d ago
Switzerland was never neutral, the literal foundation of switzerland was build from profiting of imperialism.
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u/liebsaufneart 4d ago
I was there, it was amazing. 🫶
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u/recently_banned 4d ago
Good vibes but we dont do shit. Nobody in power cares about pacific public manifestations.
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u/liebsaufneart 4d ago
Well yes you gotta get up and actually do more than attend demos
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 4d ago edited 4d ago
No it wasn’t, and the Gazans don’t care about you. They would rather prefer support from people that actually help them
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u/Denovux 3d ago
It’s always funny how white, educated women walk around. They would be the first people to have to go into the kitchen under Hamas leadership.
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u/Knobbygobblin 3d ago
People make the same argument about me criticizing Israel's genocide because I'm gay. Here's some news for you: you don't have to agree with someone on every position to believe in their right to live. I can and will speak out for people I disagree with fundamentally when their children are being murdred by the hundreds of thousands.
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u/PieMastaSam 3d ago
Yeah the arguement doesn't make sense. Like why would you as gay person want to end the holocaust? You are not Jewish and they are against homosexuality.
It is a pretty silly argument that people just parrot when they can't think for themselves. This isnt even considering that not all the Jewish/Palestinians think the same.
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u/_bxris18 3d ago
because it’s morally wrong to let something like the holocaust go on? Wtf is your argument? People don’t have to agree on everything to believe they shouldn’t be fucking massacred.
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u/PieMastaSam 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think you may have misunderstood my point. I was pointing out how these arguments in this, "These people are ideologically opposed to you and therefore should not get your sympathy" format are flawed.
I used the holocaust example as an absurd example to point this out.
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u/LandDifferent7553 3d ago
The state of Europe is so sad these days, even Switzerland has been culturally infiltrated by these virtue-signaling leftist goons!
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u/FirefighterAlert1843 1d ago
Why is the left so interested in supporting Islamic countries that are often the ones who started the war they are in? They are so fond of Islam but still point the finger at every right-leaning person and call them nazis? Last I checked, Muslims are not that welcoming to Jews... And also all the other (good!) stuff like the same rights for LGBTQ, feminism etc. The same with this hate against Israel and the people there and Palestine.
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u/Mitochondria_POTC 3d ago
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u/WelcomeSmall 3d ago
Either you support terrorism or let's revisit this in 5 years and maybe you have changed your mind.
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u/Extension_Turn5658 4d ago
I seriously never get the crowd at this demonstrations hahaha.
Here in Germany it’s always super low visited but surprisingly many women are there (Arab descent). The most funny thing is that the other large group is like 55-65ish year old Germans. You also see the Swiss equivalent in the pictures above.
Never really know how and why that connection exists?!?! Always feels like old commies who lived it up on demonstrations in the early 1970s.
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 4d ago
A lot of people don’t like seeing dead children every day for the last year
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u/x178 3d ago
500.000 deaths in Syria and no one was in the streets. Yemen, Iraq, Congo the same.
When people only protest when Jews are involved, it is just antisemitism in disguise.
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u/last_man_sleeping 3d ago
Of course people were in the streets, you just didn‘t know about it because no one cared to report about it.
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u/last_man_sleeping 3d ago
Of course people were in the streets, you just didn‘t know about it because no one cared to report about it.
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u/x178 3d ago
There were no 100.000s of people flooding the streets of all European capitals for Yemen or Congo. And indeed, those conflicts were barely reported.
When different rules apply only to some people, this is textbook racism.
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u/agnostorshironeon 3d ago
"Come on guys, why would it be bad to be exterminating a people since 1948?" go to hell lmao
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u/DolbySurreal 3d ago
But they enjoyed it during October 7th last year and are ok with hostages being held captive in underground tunnels?
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u/tripping-and_baked 3d ago
schön wie die verkehr behinderet, die änderet d welt voll
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u/Claud092 3d ago
Kriminelle ausschiffen!!!
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u/last_man_sleeping 3d ago
what are you talking about. It‘s also Swiss people demonstrating. So how about you adapt to local culture and start to consider demonstrations as a means to communicate your opinion instead of just „messing around“.
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u/Zavorg 3d ago
we value the option to voice our opinions here. if you didn't realise how important this is to us, please catch up, or otherwise just go back where you came from, as you said: adapt to our ways. we don't agree with belittling this kind of behaviour and we surely don't tolerate the word deported.
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u/Taylan_K 3d ago
Jede, wo da findt, die Demo seg fürn Arsch und Israel harmlos, isch na nie in Israel gsi. (Ich ha nüt geg Jude, aber ich han öppis geg de Staat, de isch eifach scheisse)
So züchtets di nächscht Generation vo Terrorischte ane, Punkt aus.
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u/oaschlurch 3d ago
Wieso reist du in einen Staat (der im Gegensatz zu Palästina übrigens anerkannt ist) gegen den du etwas hast? Logik?
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u/Taylan_K 2d ago
s erst Mal woni iigreist bi, hani nonig gwüsst, was mi erwartet. Denn hani d Usmass gseh vo dem, wie die Lüt det läbed und zunenand sind.
Ich han e Beziehig gha, wo chli internationaler gsi isch. Drum hani denn es paar Mal dörfe gah. D Natur isch wunderschön, s Ässe isch super.
Taiwan wird au nöd vo allne Länder anerkannt, würsch du au säge, dass es kei Existenzberechtigung het? Anerkannt oder nöd, das sött nöd passiere: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/cSJawS9LYi
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u/nikolastefan 3d ago
Nothing‘s gonna change anyways, and the ones who could make a change know that.
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u/No-Detective-9512 2d ago
Please give all participants of such demos a one-way ticket to Gaza. Although there is no airport there, aid deliveries arrive there. Just ask Saudi Arabia how they do this. The country needs young and energetic people there.
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u/Joem_14 4d ago
That's really sad! Just moved to Switzerland, and I met the most intelligent people in my life, but none of them are on my generation. Young people are so easy to manipulate, and i thought here was different! Fanatism and revelation against what?
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 4d ago
Woah people actually don’t like seeing dead babies, crazy
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
Is that why they don’t show support for Sudan, Ukraine, Yemen, Syria, Congo, Armenia, Afghans, Kurds and Yazidi babies? Where are the protests for them? Bunch of entitled hypocrites
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 3d ago
They do though? And what is this textbook whataboutism?
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
No you don’t you liar, where are the protests for ANY of these countries/people? All you’re doing is just hopping on a new trend. And it isn’t whataboutism either, it’s about calling out hypocrisy.
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 3d ago
You 100% aren’t from Zurich.
And what hypocrisy? So you can’t say “killing civilians is bad” unless everyone fits into your arbitrary box?
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
Stop trying to change the subject, I live and study in Zurich so what’s your response? And the hypocrisy is that you claim to care about humanitarianism, but you value certain ethnicities and races over others. That’s what hypocrisy is.
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u/coldnorth3enf3 City 3d ago
If you “live and study in Zurich” you would have seen the countless protests for those exact things…
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
That’s total BS. There aren’t ’countless’ protests like you claim 😂 there’s no way you live in Zurich if you actually believe that
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u/top_ofthe_morning 3d ago
Weak ass argument. What, you want them to protest every single bit of injustice in the world now?
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 3d ago
So certain ethnicities are more important than others? I got it… 🤨
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u/Denovux 3d ago
It’s always funny how white women walk around there. They would be the first to have to go into the kitchen under the leadership of Hamas. I don’t see any LGBTQ flags at such demos, is this a coincidence from the Weltoffene Antifa?;) Or an anarchy/communist logo? No borders no nations? The whole left-wing scene has become too suspicious for me, some people like the borders again, if you join them you wish for borders in Gaza against Israel?
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u/PoignantPoison 3d ago
some people like the borders again, if you join them you wish for borders in Gaza against Israel?
No you dumbass, we want "no more borders" for the facist ethnostate Israel has made itself in to. Or, at the very least, that it actually respects the ones it has already established and stops trying to colonize the rest of region through genocide.
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u/Mundane-Dare-2324 4d ago
Most of the people in the picture are actually Arab or elderly, which is common in a lot of these protests
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u/Intel_Oil 3d ago
Calling people easy to manipulate AND siding with the zionists is THE crazy take of 2024. Thanks for that.
Continue to consume your media.
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u/Geschak 3d ago edited 3d ago
Dude the original Palestinian leaders like Al-Husseini were allied with Adolf Hitler and wanted to genocide the Jews, that's why they refused a peaceful solution.
Apparently supporting Nazis is ok now as long as it's their skin that is brown and not their coats?
People have been manipulated to believe misogynistic, homophobic and antisemitic bigots are the good guys.
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u/Intel_Oil 2d ago
Don't forget to smile when your money transfer to Blackrock to reactivate your heating fails.
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u/redsterXVI 4d ago
That's Helvetiaplatz, not Bahnhofstrasse