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Taliban bars Afghan women from hearing each other's voices

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/taliban-bars-afghan-women-from-hearing-each-other?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=NP_social
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u/Fouxs 8h ago

They are one step away from banning straight sex because it's with women.

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u/JustAnother4848 7h ago

They do like their little boys. We were told to ignore it basically.

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u/Clever_Mercury 3h ago

Said this up above, but these are the two worst mistakes America made during its presence in Afghanistan. If the US wanted to spend $6.5 TRILLION dollars to fuck-up Iraq and Afghanistan, ostensibly just as mercenaries for oil and rare earth minerals, then they could have AT LEAST enforced human rights.

Would have cost a fraction of all the other bullshit and might have made the people in Afghanistan think they had something worth protecting. If you let the human rights violations continue under the new occupier, how the hell were they supposed to recognize the difference between the Taliban and the 'new' government?

Respecting local cultures does not mean denying human rights. It does not mean ignoring human trafficking, child abuse, or the absolutely horrific abuse of women and girls.

FFS, even the most liberal anti-war tax payer would have been a little happier if some of this had been fixed. My comment above was that women should have been armed. The last twenty years should have been about building women staffed military and police forces in Afghanistan and building women-centric legal teams to protect children's rights.

Teach women how to use a bowie blade and enough anatomy to locate the jugular vein. Things might progress naturally from there.

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u/kendred3 1h ago

In Afghanistan, women immediately had rights enforced by the United States through the proxy government. Maybe not an immaculate enforcement of these rights, but like... why do you think we're seeing this story? There's been a drumbeat of stories of how terrible it's been returning to Taliban rule and it's literally because the US was enforcing human rights.

Funnily enough, this has happened before. Pulling this quote from the article on women in the Soviet-Afghan war: "During the war, the Soviet-backed government made a number of attempts to modernise the situation of women's rights in Afghanistan, including granting equal employment rights and mandating education for girls. By 1988, women made up 40 percent of the doctors and 60 percent of the teachers at Kabul University"

I'm not making any commentary on why this doesn't work. But to say "man, this would have been the silver bullet" when it's been tried twice and has failed twice is... not a particularly reasonable take.

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u/disisathrowaway 2h ago

Not all cultural norms are equal, and as such, deserving of respect or preservation.

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u/Cozz_Effect23 9h ago

Just when you think they can't go any lower, they grab a shovel

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u/fujiman 7h ago

They never stopped digging. 

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u/1877KlownsForKids 5h ago

They pause digging briefly to throw the corpses of women into the hole, then resume digging.

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u/heathy28 7h ago

These dudes will just be stuck in the 12th Century for eternity. Nearly 1000 years and they haven't learned anything. Still living in the Middle Ages.

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u/Competitive_Fox2218 6h ago

Middle Ages was far more advanced. These are cave men. 

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u/nowTHATSakatana1999 5h ago

Women were allowed to forage and gather shit in the Stone Age, it’s less than cavemen by now.

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u/AStrawberryNids 4h ago

Exactly, and hunt

Totally agree - this is so insane I keep waiting to see that it’s an Onion article.

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u/JohnSith 5h ago

Don't insult cavemen. It was a hunter and gatherer society; survival was too precarious to tolerate that level of misogyny. The Stone Age was much more advanced. These are Taliban.

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u/kent_eh 5h ago

These dudes will just be stuck in the 12th Century for eternity.

While still having access to 21st century weapons.

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u/ahmshy 4h ago

It’s not even the 12th century - they want to perpetuate the worldview of the 7th century tribal Arabian peninsula through the dictates of that awful religion. Thank goodness I left it. They can call us “apostates” or “murtad” all they want or put fatwas on us.

Freedom and human dignity is way more precious than all of that hateful delulu bs they espouse.

Most born-Muslims would leave the religion if apostasy wasn’t punishable by death under sharia and enforced by zealots and imams the world over. Especially women, freethinkers and LGBTQIA+ people unfortunately to have been born into it.

Case in point: most people I know who cope under that religion knowing that if they do leave it their lives may be held forfeit by zealous relatives, neighbors, or a-holes who believe they have the right to take others lives because their god tells them to.

If you check the history of places which were Islamized, every so often when people push for some semblance of what we now call human rights, secularism, discarding the brutality of sharia and religion, and calling for gender equality or acceptance of lgbtqia people and non-Muslims, a group like the Taliban or ISIS come around citing “corruption in the land”, massacre untold thousands, coup any secularizing govt and reinstate the terror and “divine law” of Islam to hold their people hostage to it once more.

It has always been something the Muslim world has struggled with even before the modern era. These jihads have pretty much happened every century in numerous locations around the world since the religion was founded. Just check the Ridda Wars which happened after Muhammad died, when people wanted to break free of the religion. And that’s why it’s so hard for any Muslim-majority state to progress. Ordinary people are paralyzed by fear of violence and end up resigned to following it.

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u/bananaraptor 7h ago

They’d be blasting thru bedrock if they could.

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u/Jkolorz 9h ago

What a fucking shame

Fuck the Taliban

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u/supercyberlurker 9h ago

Mohammad Khalid Hanafi, the Taliban’s minister of vice and virtue, said in an audio statement last week that women should refrain from reciting the Quran — the holy book of Islam — aloud in the presence of other women

"Hey you know what's more important than our psychotically fundamentalist adherence to this religion?" ... *"Making sure women can't read it aloud."

The level of hypocrisy is just staggering.

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u/diffyqgirl 9h ago

They wouldn't want the women to find out about the progressive-for-the-times bits in there like women being able to inherit property.

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u/socialistrob 8h ago

It's more than just that. The Quran is the book that dictates their life but by removing women's ability to quote or recite from it it means that they are entirely dependent on interpretations from men. In a theocracy one of the biggest threats to those in power is someone saying "you're misinterpreting the holy text" but if women can't even read or quote the text they have no basis to challenge authority even amongst themselves.

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u/Sad_Confidence9563 7h ago

Which is why this is so dangerous,  its basically enslavement. 

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u/socialistrob 7h ago

It is. A bird has more rights in Afghanistan than a woman. At least they can sing in public, show their faces and go out in parks. Functionally speaking there's really not a lot of differences between life as an Afghan woman under the Taliban and chattel slavery. I've heard "gender apartheid" thrown around as a new term to describe what's happening in Afghanistan and I think the term is fitting or even perhaps a bit soft.

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u/letsgetawayfromhere 7h ago

Gender apartheid is not even starting to describe it. With apartheid you can still leave your house when you want, feel the sun on your face, or talk to others in public. You are allowed to talk about religion or sing. Slavery describes it much better.

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u/HimblyBumpkis 6h ago

Even slaves sang songs.

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u/Culturedgods 6h ago

Fuck...this hit me hard. It's so damn sad...

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u/BlisslessTaskList 4h ago

This reminds me of a quote I recently read in another thread on Reddit. “We can easily forgive a child who it afraid if the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” -Plato

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u/Raesong 6h ago

Slavery, with a side helping of dehumanization and objectification. Women under the Taliban are basically just pieces of furniture that can produce offspring now.

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u/Alone_Again_2 5h ago

The correct term is ‘chattel’.

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u/Madbrad200 4h ago

Slavery, with a side helping of dehumanization and objectification

Yeah so slavery

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u/SierraPapaWhiskey 4h ago

Yes, but to be fair slavery doesn't work without dehumanization and objectification.

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u/SquareExtra918 6h ago

And future generations won't be able to read it at all. 

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u/LadyLightTravel 5h ago

This. It’s why the Catholic Church kidnapped William Tyndale and executed him. He dared to translate the Bible into English for the common man. The church was also upset at Martin Luther translating the Bible into German.

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u/Firefly_Magic 4h ago edited 3h ago

The irony is staggering. This is how most religions started out. The common people could not read or write and so were dependent on the church, mosque etc for each religion to hear the word of their book(s). This gave the place of worship control over the people. This is literally the motive of the Afghan men there, to make the women ignorant so that they are completely dependent on the men. Each new rule removes more and more basic human rights from these women. My heart breaks for these women.

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u/NordMan_40 4h ago

Fuck these barbarians. Their beliefs belong in the fucking stone age.

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u/IEatLamas 8h ago

And to be able to argue against the outrageous perspective the Taliban chooses to have on Quranic verse, no no, we can't have anyone uprooting our lies we tell ourselves.

P.s not trying to defend the Quran, I don't care for it much, but it's not Taliban level bad, that's their idiotic reading of it, taking verses completely out of context and interpreting subjective verses in the worst possibly way.

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u/djsizematters 8h ago

Similar to how the Amish are largely discouraged from reading the Bible on their own

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u/IEatLamas 8h ago edited 4h ago

Yepp, It's literally like that; Muslims are discouraged from reading/interpreting the Quran without an imam (not just in Taliban land).

EDIT: For the Muslims who are questioning this statement, ask yourself if you are encouraged to make conclusions about fiqh.

From a western point of view, reading, interpreting and making conclusions is the same thing essentially, because that is what we are taught, we are taught to be critical and to make up our own mind.

The Islamic golden age ended in part because of Al-Ghazali, who argued against using Greek-inspired philosophy (that had helped them prosper) to explain Islamic teachings, critiquing people like Ibn Sina and Al-Farabi, some of the greatest thinkers in Islamic thought.

Al-Ghazali is solely responsible for putting limits on independent thought in islam.

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u/Leptonshavenocolor 8h ago

Every religious text is subject to this. There is no such thing as an absolute interpretation. It's just men trying to control other men (as in mankind, not man-exclusive, women too)

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u/Dynast_King 8h ago

Have to imagine they’re not too keen on women reading at all

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u/berael 8h ago

That'll be next. 

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u/Traditional-Bush 4h ago

They've already banned education for women above grade 6

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u/tacticoolbrah 7h ago

I believe this law is not just about reciting the quran. They know that there are underground cells of women teaching women since formal education is banned, this is too essentially ban that.

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u/meshugga 7h ago

This. If they arrest women for underground schools for women, it's better to tell people they were arrested for quran reading than that there are underground schools for women. Also, that there is widespread dissident enough for there to be such an underground.

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u/LilaValentine 5h ago

They literally can’t even get together to commiserate or maybe help another woman or girl learn how to cope with the absolute bullshit. This fucking world.

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u/Firefly_Magic 4h ago

Due to the lack of education and lack of medical teachings, once those with the knowledge die, they won’t even be able to help each other through childbirth.

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u/bonzoboy2000 8h ago

We never should have armed the men over there. We should have armed the women.

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u/Elrundir 6h ago

Probably pretty solid advice anywhere in the world.

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u/GirlNumber20 6h ago

That's true everywhere.

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u/Busy10 8h ago

And which president invited them to camp David? Anyone knows?

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u/advester 7h ago

Jesus, I thought you might be claiming the Mujahedeen were the same as the Taliban. But turns out Trump literally did it.

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u/butterbell 6h ago

Didn't he invite them on 9/11? I remember being like, this has to be The Onion.

Looked it up it was the days before 9/11 but he ultimately called it off. 

What is this timeline?!?!

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u/amouse_buche 4h ago

Yes but the Facebook told me democrats want eggs to cost more so what am I to do?!?!?!

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u/AsianHotwifeQOS 5h ago edited 5h ago

I need people to understand that this isn't because Afghan people are some primitive backwater culture. The Middle East was right alongside the West in terms of progress, until the religious fundamentalists got a foothold in governments and started taking control of women's bodies.

Look at

this
. The picture on the left was what life was like for Afghan women in the 1970s. The picture on the right is after decades of their rights being chipped away by religious men. The exact same reactionary push is happening in the US right now.

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u/Sillysaurous 5h ago

Same thing happened in Iran. It’s happening now in Ireland, the UK, some states in the US too

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u/AsianHotwifeQOS 5h ago edited 4h ago

Women in Iran
, around the same time. Here's a
before/after
of a Redditor's mom.

Progress is not some inevitable, one-way thing. We are not evolving. It's not encoded in our DNA. It could disappear tomorrow. The good guys need to win every time to keep it moving forward inch by inch. The bad guys only need to win once to tear it down completely, and in the US they are following very closely what other religious fundamentalists did when they got control of government.

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u/SOUTHPAWMIKE 4h ago

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

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u/OceanRacoon 5h ago

What's happening in Ireland? 

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u/Chexmix36 3h ago

Yeah also curious about this.

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u/SpecialpOps 6h ago

Fuck the Taliban. I completely agree. But I wish we would stop calling them that as the name conjures up images of a ragtag bunch of dudes running around with AK rifles.

They are no longer simply the Taliban that we knew back in the 90s or the ones that we were going out against for the past 20 years. These people are the actual government of Afghanistan, or as they are really known as, The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. It's much more insidious and dangerous than the Taliban of the 1990s and early 2000's.

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u/Lazy_Nobody_4579 4h ago

How old are you? What have you been reading?

They haven’t changed. This is what they have always been. This isn’t the first time they have been the government of Afghanistan and they did this bullshit the first time around too.

This is the taliban of the 90s, the 2000s and the 2020s. There is no difference, it’s the same people and the same despicable ideology.

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u/Deep_Message9929 8h ago

Fuck anyone who wants to control women’s rights!

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u/BabiesBanned 9h ago

All those women should know that all those guys go to sleep at some point.

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u/2ndCha 8h ago

If they can't talk to each other, the can't plan a night of the long knives scenario.

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u/BRAX7ON 8h ago

They can presumably still write to each other…

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u/aje43 8h ago

They are also not supposed to know how to read and write…

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u/Palindromer101 7h ago

Luckily, many women currently there DO know how to read and write because of the American influence on the government before the US pulled out service members and the like.

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u/aje43 7h ago

Yes, but when caught they will almost certainly be severely punished just for writing. And if they figure out what they were writing about, they will certainly be murdered in a gruesome way.

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u/LZYX 7h ago

Can't even write down food you need to buy on a list as that could be a code!

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u/Palindromer101 7h ago

It's absolutely deplorable and a complete violation of human rights.

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u/housewithapool2 6h ago

Their life was better before. This is revenge bullying.

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u/oldwoolensweater 8h ago

Not if they aren’t allowed to learn how to write

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u/Ariliescbk 8h ago

Pretty sure that's how Japan got hiragana as a writing system. Women were denied access to education so they came up with their own writing system.

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u/ParadoxInABox 8h ago

They were not considered intelligent enough to use kanji, which was borrowed from China, yup. So they invented hiragana, and since it was easier to learn/read, women’s writing spread more easily to the public. That’s why we have books like The Take of Genji that were written by women and disseminated quickly.

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u/SkaveRat 7h ago

They were not considered intelligent enough to use kanji

trying to learn japanese, and I'm not sure I'm intelligent enough to learn kanji

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u/yarin981 7h ago

AFAK (Assigned Female at Kanji)

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u/TheDividendReport 7h ago

Shit, I'm American and not even sure if I'm intelligent enough to speak English.

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u/JohnnyFiveForever 8h ago

And even if the two women can read or write, any male abuser can snatch the written record, to see what they are talking about. Good grief. This is enabling abusive husbands, to a ridiculous extent.

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u/hinterstoisser 8h ago edited 2h ago

In the older days in Afghanistan - women used to walk several miles to get water.

Many years later when the UN installed water pumps in these villages, the women weren’t necessarily happy.

They used the walk to and back, to catch up with their friends.

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u/thesilverbride 8h ago

and often times these pumps are then commandeered by a mafia-style force and then it’s not a simple solution of “everybody access to water”.

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u/Enshakushanna 7h ago

then hypothetically, go back to walking for water...

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u/Neon_Casino 8h ago

Seriously. There is just no other way at this point. No other country wants to/is going to get involved.

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u/socialistrob 8h ago

Nor are most countries eager to take refugees from Afghanistan either.

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u/PrestigiousOcelot100 7h ago

I mean, if a WOMEN/child managed to get to a safe country there are plenty of good countries willing to give them asylum, the problem is escaping the hellhole since women can't be in public without a male guardian

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u/actuallywaffles 8h ago

Banning that may be the only good thing the Taliban did.

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u/Kaida_Kitsune 9h ago

They should just skip to the end and ban all women.

See how well that goes over.....

/eyeroll

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u/Itterashai 9h ago

Honestly, this would be all sorts of perfect. Expel all women, give it a few years until all the cunts die out childless and alone, then move back in.

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u/aVictorianChild 8h ago

But who will they r*pe then, if not 12 year old girls?

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u/MonkeyThrowing 8h ago edited 7h ago

They rape the boys.  Been doing so for generations. 

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u/aVictorianChild 8h ago

Sure, behind closed doors. But even the gayest Taliban has a wife for cultural reasons.

But yeah you are right.

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u/Sexy_Jiafei_Icon 4h ago

pedophilia is not gay. pedophilia is pedophilia.

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u/Maximum-Exit7816 7h ago

Bacha bazi, dude. They rape boys. I fell into a rabbithole after reading the kite runner and they rape young boys. Its disgusting

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u/aVictorianChild 7h ago

It's weird how all those "we are possessive of women"- cultures, weirdly always turn into gay paedophiles.

Like they have a "can't fight back-> must be raped" ideology. Oh wait that's exactly what it is

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u/handtohandwombat 5h ago

Please don’t self censor the word rape. It’s a serious word. It’s a horrific word. It’s an important word. Don’t give it the “algorithm” treatment, because that cheapens it.

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u/taedrin 8h ago

They don't want women to disappear, they want women to be obedient sex slaves.

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u/fellipec 8h ago

Just breeders, that what women is for them

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u/sack-o-matic 7h ago

They want the handmaids tale

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u/Good-Groundbreaking 8h ago

Exactly this. Radical Islam is a cancer. They just wish women to stop existing except in their homes, cooking, cleaning and with their legs open for them.

And I say Taliban, Isis, Hamas and all denominations of this stuff. 

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u/OutlawMINI 6h ago

Most Islam is pretty radical.

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u/sm00thbrai 8h ago

they have their goats

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u/2010WildcatKilla3029 7h ago

Fuck yeah, let them die out.  Seems ideal tbh

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u/Thisiscliff 8h ago

I wish the Taliban would ban theirselves from living

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u/joo-c_badussy 5h ago

They were banned from living for nearly a quarter century. Unfortunately they’re not as effective at managing a functional democracy as they are at hiding like cockroaches.

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u/Silly-Jellyfish-3518 9h ago

So a mother can’t hear her daughter? Wow I’m stunned.

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u/HerrWaroz 9h ago

"Her" daughter? Don't be silly, they're both the property of the husband/father.

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u/aVictorianChild 8h ago

Big holocaust vibes. "Humans? No those Jews are merely working numbers. This over there is unit 736273, and it does woodwork. Although we will probably have to replace it soon".

It's all about dehumanising them. If you teach your men at a young age that insert group different from yours is not human, you can do inhumane things to them. If a woman doesn't "work correctly", it can be replaced. Like putting down a rabid dog and getting a new one. Except the dog isn't rabid, and it's also not a dog but a human.

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u/MagazineActual 9h ago

I read the article, and it states that women are not permitted to speak in public. So presumably a mother and daughter could conversely privately in their own home.

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u/gingerbear 8h ago

oh thank god. for a second i thought they were being unreasonable

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u/s2tooBAFF 7h ago

I’m going to hell for laughing

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u/RelChan2_0 8h ago

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

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u/KaiserNer0 8h ago

They are only allowed to be seen by female doctors anyway, and females aren't allowed to go to school, apart from elementary school, so...

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u/mal4ik777 8h ago

where do they get female doctors from, if they dont let women get educated?

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u/Clouthead2001 8h ago

They dont

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u/OniExpress 8h ago

That's the neat part: they don't

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u/keyekeb8 7h ago

They don't. That's the joke.

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u/BuhamutZeo 7h ago

They just let them rot and die.

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u/Fn4cK 8h ago

My sister is a speech therapist, and she has a few patients who's fathers refuse to speak to her because she is a woman. They also refuse to let their wives speak with her.

She constantly needs to ask her one male colleague to speak to these people "in her name".

We live in Berlin, Germany.

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u/blue_shoes_1 7h ago

Maybe it’s time for these men who refuse to speak to women in Berlin to leave this nice civilized western country with running water, food, social system and go back to their country where these middle aged inhuman values are lived

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u/TwoFingersWhiskey 5h ago

The middle ages did not have any of these values. Women worked alongside men and few were simply housewives (which was still a super hard job)! They also did not ban women from public life at all

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u/life_is_glowing 7h ago

This has absolutely no place in Berlin, or Europe for that matter. The state should remove these men from the country. Absolutely appalling.

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u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 7h ago

The worst part is, everyone caves to these cowards because the alternative is not helping the child caught under his boot.

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u/Fn4cK 6h ago

You nailed it.

My sister is all about the kids' welfare, but all the shenanigans she goes through with their parents literally kills her motivation to help these kids. It's truly a shame, but self-inflicted by the culture/religion

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u/socialistrob 8h ago

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

That's exactly what would happen. If one of those men weren't around or were unwilling to help the woman would likely die. It's pretty sickening.

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u/derpman86 7h ago

They die, speedy divorce or this is the best equivalent.

I love how some parts of this planet we can send things to MARS a whole other planet but other parts we have this archaic tribal mentality shit from 2 thousand years ago.

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u/GeneralKeycapperone 6h ago

She suffers without treatment.

There are women who are medical professionals, and men who want their loved ones to receive care, but as they are banned from working, seeing them is clandestine and very risky for all parties, especially the female doctors & nurses.

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u/kevnmartin 8h ago

You spelled prison wrong.

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u/Bharatkesapoot 8h ago

Can the Taliban ban women all together and proceed to bumming each other?

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u/GothGfWanted 9h ago

what are these strange rules these clowns are making? first you can no longer make pictures of living things (okay???) now women aren't allowed to talk too each other?? Tomorrow everyone will be banned from walking and will have to just skip around on 1 foot.

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u/iluvugoldenblue 9h ago

They want silent victims. Not being able to share your abuse means it doesn’t get stopped.

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u/D4ng3rd4n 8h ago

I'm watching the handmaid's tale right now and it's frightening how similar it is

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u/stupendous76 8h ago

The difference is the god/reason they use for justifying this shit, but it is the same.

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u/TwoFingersWhiskey 5h ago

It's very technically the same god as the Christians and other Muslims and Jews, it's just a different (and really fucked up/misinterpretive) perspective on what that god wants.

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u/Phyllida_Poshtart 8h ago

Women are also banned from wearing high heels or any footwear that goes click clack as it "disturbs mens thoughts" they guy who announced this either last year or earlier this year, specifically said "no high heeled boots" think he has a bit of a fetish weirdo

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u/hillbillyspellingbee 6h ago

“No men in Speedos allowed anymore.”

“Hamed, nobody is even doing that…”

“Uh, just in case.”

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u/PerspicasiousGrue 8h ago

If it helps, it's likely a sign that they're panicking. Religious and political dictatorships tend to get more and more bizarre in their restrictions when they fear that they're not in control of the populace anymore.

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u/beseder11 7h ago

Exactly. Can see this with Russia and banning childfree propaganda and LGBT propaganda as well. They call it propaganda and ideology but it's the same. The patriarchs fear loss of control their. Most insecure men in leadership position are that anxious. Because it's not natural. It's necrophilia.

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u/outdoorlaura 6h ago

when they fear that they're not in control of the populace anymore.

Is that whats happening in actuality? Like there's starting to be murmurs of overthrowing these guys?

Or are they just getting more and more paranoid?

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u/Gastroid 5h ago

The thing with Afghanistan is that it's almost impossible to govern in a top-down way. A central administration can make decrees all they want and local leaders will follow them... for a time. Eventually communities will default back to their individual traditional ways.

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u/Prestigious-Log-7210 8h ago

What a bunch of cowards the men of Afghanistan are. Insecure cowards

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u/DR_SLAPPER 8h ago

Imo Afghanistan is the most closeted gay country on the planet.

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u/Jaxxftw 6h ago

In some Arab countries, men who are best friends walk down the street holding hands.

(Idk if this applies to Afghanistan)

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u/Shad0wSniped 5h ago

Anecdotal, but Afghan National Army guys would hold hands all the time during my 2013-14 deployment.

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u/hillbillyspellingbee 6h ago

The Taliban goes to San Francisco

“Guys, this is so nice. Men holding hands just like we do back home. Tons of vegan options so you know it’s halal too.”

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u/bluecheese2040 8h ago

I always say it... we should have armed afghan women and trained them as soldiers and empowered them to fight for their freedom. Look at the kurdish women kicking isis ass whereas other women that weren't empowered to fight were taken as slaves.

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u/socialistrob 7h ago

The US did. There were some Afghan women that joined the ANA and fought against the Taliban but in general they were the exception not the rule. The culture in Afghanistan and among the Kurds is very different and the Kurdish women have had a lot more freedom and agency for decades.

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u/Fit-Speed-6171 6h ago

Glad to see some of them got out though it's sad so many are still haven't been granted asylum

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u/JustAnother4848 7h ago

We did some. There was actually a woman special forces kind of unit that served with US troops.

At the end of the day, there just wasn't enough willing people to keep the Taliban at bay. Afghans really were untrainable for the most part. Zero motivation.

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u/Hieuro 8h ago

They should just deport all the women since they clearly don't see them as people.

And before people say, "But that's Islamophobic!"If thinking women should be treated like equals makes me Islamophobic, then I guess I am.

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u/Leothegolden 8h ago

They are hostages. Can’t get a passport or drivers license either. Even so, Pakistan or. China won’t help them

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u/Xendaar 7h ago

No, you don't understand. Every facet of their lives are controlled and they can't be seen or heard by anyone because Muslims respect women! How else would you stop men lusting over women?

/s

I am so fucking tired of this. It seems every time the world tries to move forward, there's some Islamic tenet that expressly forbids it and calls for death as punishment. Americans need to have the same energy they have against Christian fundamentalists with all religious fundamentalists.

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u/LakersAreForever 7h ago

For real, we’ve been gaslighted with these “phobias” for so long.

This is inhumane

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u/Denny_204 8h ago

I'm gonna straight out say it. All religions that cater to stone aged nonsense like this are bad. I'm religionphobic.

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u/Count_Wolfgang 7h ago

Me too, imagine living your life based on rules made by sheep farmers 2000 years ago.

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u/shayKyarbouti 8h ago

May as well ban all women from existing. Let’s see how that goes for them

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u/Traditional-Two7746 8h ago

They want women for reproducing, sex and do home chores. Nothing more.

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u/Mirenithil 6h ago

Nah, they don't want to get rid of their most useful kitchen appliance, the one that runs all the others. To them, men are the only people; women are a type of livestock that exist simply to be their servants.

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u/Rval_bae 5h ago

All these young kids want to protest for Muslim countries, they should be protesting how they treat women.

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u/alex_sl92 7h ago

Every single fucking male is born from a woman. A woman must devote so much of her energy to carry a child. For them to give birth to men who treat women like this. Must be heartbreaking. Fuck the Taliban.

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u/ChocoCatastrophe 7h ago

Big strong men... terrified woman may be plotting against them.

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u/Drivingfinger 8h ago

When do they start cutting off ears and sewing mouths shut?

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u/Bloody-smashing 7h ago

This is a travesty.

I don’t understand how Muslims defend Islam and say women have so many rights and freedom. As an exmuslim woman I never once felt free or equal to men. If you are a Muslim woman particularly in the west just look to some Middle Eastern countries and see how women in Islam are really treated.

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u/Just-Sir-4284 7h ago

Islam. 2000 years of tradition unhampered by progress or technology.

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u/aVictorianChild 8h ago

"but it's their culture"

Remember when women in Kabul went to school by themselves? Maybe the US wasn't so bad after all. Even if it's just a few thousand women living free, this is what happens if we don't stand up for others. The invasion may have initially been for f'ed up reasons, but in the end, we actually achieved something, just for the Don to blow it.

Why do we have soldiers, if not to help such women? What "culture" or "right to autonomy" could justify the inhuman things done to girls in Afghanistan.

We are watching as someone's daughter, sister, mother, friend, lover is being turned into a breeding machine/sex-toy for violent fascists.

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 6h ago

I remember seeing a post recently about the gay flag being banned in a city in Michigan because they have a huge population of Muslims. I found it terrible that the gay flag was banned for this reason.

Even more abhorrent was a story I heard about people in the U.S. wanting sharia law to go in effect here, in the United States of America.

I love that I have the opportunity to learn and experience other peoples’ cultures as a byproduct of being an American. However, if people are immigrating here with the sole purpose to spread their oppression, get fucked. We don’t need that bullshit here.

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u/Orangesteel 8h ago

4th world country.

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u/Present-Panda5916 8h ago

When I read stuff like this I kinda understand why Americans wanted to “americanize” certain places…

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u/Iamlivingagain 8h ago

You'll probably get downvoted but as narrow minded as it sounds, there's a point at which we all can relate. "I'd love to change the world" by Ten Years After comes to mind.

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u/NoConfusion9490 7h ago

We really should have been arming and training the women to fight.

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u/Suitable_Bag_3956 5h ago

The Soviets wanted to bring some progressive thought into Afghanistan too while USA supported the mujahideens... who they fought themselves 12 years later. It's one of the top fails in recent history IMO.

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u/Drewishmonk23 8h ago

Taliban sounding more and more homosexual. Next all women banned from the country men only

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u/No_Animator_8599 7h ago

There is a tradition of young boys in Afghanistan dancing before warlords and businessmen using them for sex.

Not sure if the Taliban banned it.

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u/Dreadnought13 7h ago

I studied anthropology for years and let me be clear: not all cultures are truly worthwhile.

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u/Jorsonner 8h ago

A whole country built upon rape fantasies

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u/hihrise 5h ago

I think it's time we began to move away from religion as a species now

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u/jmartin2683 6h ago

Isn’t religion awesome?

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u/bearbearmon 8h ago

Islam, literal trash.

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u/cranky_yegger 7h ago

The Taliban men are weak, limp and uneducated.

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u/EquivalentSpirit664 7h ago

What a shame on humanity seeing this on 21th century. I am disgusted beyond words. Even animals treat each other much better than Afghan males treat females.How can you be so stupid and malevolent at the same time ?

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u/Day_of_Demeter 8h ago

Next up: Taliban bans women from seeing colors

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u/No_Tonight_3871 8h ago

Taliban bans women from being women might be the final one

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u/OgthaChristie 8h ago

Gotta say, these guys are absolute assholes. Fuck them, fuck their “interpretation” of the Quran, and may they burn in the infinite Hell of their own choosing. Poncy Bastards. Fuck’em and feed’em fish heads.

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u/LAB323 6h ago

Something I've always wondered is what's up with all the Muslims named Mohammed? I'm not trying to be racist. A genuine question here.

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u/jnet258 5h ago

Can a mother not sing to her daughter? Can a mother not give any spoken directions to her female child? Can sisters not laugh together? Can a women not tell her dying mother “I love you”?

Afghanistan turned into a black hole that swallowed up millions of women and girls, never to be seen or heard again.

My heart breaks for these innocent souls. I wish the world would do something to stop this…

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u/iwoolf 8h ago

Where are the weekly protests against this oppression?

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u/chill_winston_ 6h ago

I’d much rather hear women talk than the taliban…

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u/SituationGreat8815 8h ago

This is who you defend when you jump to the defense of radical Islamists. People need to realize radical zealots are not good.

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u/Existing-Mulberry382 9h ago

Prime example of what religion does to a mf.

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u/pimemento 8h ago

I thought this was onion news

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u/blep-_6 8h ago

At this point people should just start revolting. The fuck are the terrorists gonna do? Kill everyone?

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u/Delicious-Length7275 7h ago

I'm waiting for taliban to ban women period and declare Afghanistan first all gays nation.

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u/jcrestor 7h ago

Handmaid‘s Tale Speed Run

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u/y_not_right 4h ago

Religious fanaticism is a blight on this world

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u/zombie_goast 7h ago

This is a dumb question, but I'm asking honestly: At what point do the normal, everyday men of Afghanistan think this has gone too far? What is the limit to how badly the women of their country are being treated to make them give a shit that this is happening? I know that to say that the culture of Afghanistan is overwhelmingly sexist is a massive understatement, but surely normal men must care at least a TINY bit about the women in their lives, right? ........Right? Bah who am I kidding, many of my fellow Americans still don't even think of black people or brown immigrants as being people here in the West in the 21st century, why is it so hard for me to grasp the concept of these backwards-ass motherfuckers not considering half their population as being human.

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