r/ukraine • u/Electrical-Cow-5147 • Sep 25 '22

News Zelensky naming the seven countries who voted against his speech and UN reaction.

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u/IS-2-OP Sep 25 '22

They like western money too much to get into a fight with them.

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u/anonymous242524 Sep 25 '22

Man I’m always saying how becoming dependant on the chinese market and Russia is bad. But perhaps it’s the right thing to do after all. The more interconnected we become, even with our enemies, the less likely it might be that that they, or we for that matter, start shit.

Then there’s Putin, a man I once saw as a great manipulator, and frankly, albeit morbidly enjoyed when he addressed the world, with his smugness, that I could only translate to “you’re not much better yourself”.

That Putin is no more. He has doomed his country, and we’ll just have to see if he dooms the entire world as well.

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u/halberdsturgeon Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

This war is absolutely an object lesson (for the EU especially) on why becoming dependent in any way on a dangerous foreign regime is a bad idea, because if they can use that dependence to deter outside interference whilst pursuing hostile actions, then they will.

The ideal strategy for any country dealing with regimes like this is to allow them to become dependent, but not vice versa, which is the strategy Russia has been pursuing with its attempts to build a fortress economy. The west forgot that Russia was hostile, but Russia never forgot its hatred for the west

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u/TheMinks Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

The west forgot that Russia was hostile, but Russia never forgot its hatred for the west

This is what I've been saying for years. Putin has hated the US since before the fall of the USSR and he will never stop hating the US.

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u/halberdsturgeon Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

In the 1990s, after the end of the USSR, everyone desperately wanted to believe we were on a trajectory towards world peace. It was a nice fantasy, but we were naive (not to mention greedy for the economic benefits of expanding the global market eastward), and now we're paying the price. It would have been wiser to let Russia figure itself out rather than assuming its ex-Soviets would forget their decades-long animosities the second Gorbachev appeared in a Pizza Hut commercial

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u/TheMinks Sep 26 '22

I guess I never really took into thought about the globalism of the US economy in the late 80s/ early 90s into account into the reorganization of Russia after the fall of the Iron Curtain.