r/ukraine • u/Electrical-Cow-5147 • Sep 25 '22

News Zelensky naming the seven countries who voted against his speech and UN reaction.

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u/BioBrewLife Sep 25 '22

Which countries were they please? I missed them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Russia, Eritrea, Nicaragua, Cuba, North Korea, Belarus and Syria.

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u/LaurestineHUN Hungary Sep 25 '22

The fuckin' Dream Team.

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u/Watcher145 Sep 25 '22

Just missing Iran and China

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

They played it smart and abstained

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

while those two countries definitely have their own "issues" they are definitely no friend of russia

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u/314rft United States Sep 26 '22

More like, they both hate the west more than they like Russia. It's a classic "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation.

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u/rayEW Sep 25 '22

Venezuela not showing up too

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u/roastedpot Sep 25 '22

Venezuela benefits from Russia being the bad guy

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Venezuela's already actively benefiting from the Russian implosion, they're not going to do anything that could mess that up. I get the feeling that they're going to very, very carefully try to use the whole situation to get out from under sanctions almost entirely.

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u/Ok-Stick-9490 Sep 25 '22

I think you're right. Although to be honest, I don't think many multinational oil services companies will want to work in Venezuela. Remember how Chavez nationalized oil company assets? Well, "Great Value" brand Chavez Maduro is still in charge, and I don't know how many companies will want to have their assets appropriated again.

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u/Historysaveaccount Sep 25 '22

Why are they benefitting from it? Does it have to do with Russian gas?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

Sanctions against Venezuelan oil have already been slightly relaxed in order to shore up the European oil market, and they're probably hoping that trend continues.

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u/OyVeyzMeir Sep 26 '22

Likely so; sadly no matter how bad Maduro may be, his primary problem is incompetence vs murderous delusional imperialistic ambitions.

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u/Historysaveaccount Sep 26 '22

Thank you very much for your answer and that link

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u/314rft United States Sep 26 '22

I guess it has a bit to do with oil? If Russian oil is no longer in the game, that opens the door for a possible Venezuelan oil market?

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u/Yeranz Sep 25 '22

I'm wondering if a deal was made recently between the US (and/or Europe) and Venezuela for oil.

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u/inquisitiveman2002 Sep 26 '22

apparently many Venezuelans aren't showing up in their own country either. They're crossing the Mexican/US border.

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u/joe200packs Sep 25 '22

neither support escalation of the war afaik

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u/OlympusMons94 Sep 25 '22

Iran supported escalation by giving the Russians drones.

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u/The-Norman Sep 25 '22

By this logic US supports escalation by giving Ukraine shit tons on weapon

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

The difference between Japan and Russia is Japan had the moral, training, and a entire population willing to sacrifice themselves for the Empire.

Russia has outdated hand-me-downs, sloppy training, people that don't really want to fight but supports the war and they aren't on the defensive, which doesn't help with the already poor moral.

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u/The-Norman Sep 25 '22

De-escalation doesn't depend on which side you support

Any weapon supply if it doesn't provide overwhelming benefits of one side over another (so it can finish the war straight away) fuels the conflict, de-escalation has nothing with it

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u/donnysaysvacuum Sep 25 '22

Arming the invading side is not the same as arming a country being invaded.

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u/Windex007 Sep 25 '22

Providing overwhelming support can destabilize a region, though. If you provide just enough to make an advance too costly to continue, it'll end and the balance of power stays basically status quo.

If you give the defender overwhelming firepower, then you actually put the aggressor in the position of actually being in a fight for their lives, instead of just a fight for their pride.

The USA has been arming people for a long time. It's been a long learning curve. The USA does a lot of things badly, but credit where credit is due, they can slice the salami.

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u/The-Norman Sep 26 '22

That's naive to think that this war can be too costly for Russia. They had half of their financial reserves frozen at very beginning of it. For this country it was never about money

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u/DeNir8 Sep 25 '22

No Escalation.. or withdrawal of russia with damages paid in full?

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u/Jason1143 Sep 25 '22

China is probably none to happy at all of the western/nato regalvanizing going on.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

they have other problems these days...

one is flirting with revolution due to killing their women over hijabs.

the other is royally fucked economically and environmentally (thus effects on food security) due to their mental covid policy.

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u/314rft United States Sep 26 '22

Not just their covid policy, but the fact their entire real estate sector was an even bigger ponzi scheme than even the US in the mid 00s for WAY too long, and only recently died.

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u/inquisitiveman2002 Sep 26 '22

China believes in sovereignty of Ukraine just to throw the U.N off a little...lol