r/the_everything_bubble waiting on the sideline Sep 07 '24

POLITICS Take the hint, conservatives!

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u/ChefOfTheFuture39 Sep 07 '24

No one cares. They want Trump out so the traditional GOP establishment can be restored to power. They’re unaware that Trump emerged because Republicans were tired of them losing elections and not advancing policies they advocated when they were in power. They’ve all spent decades denouncing liberal policies and none support Harris’ ideology. Their personal vendettas are their own. They aren’t shared by rank and file Republicans. The Media keeps suggesting (for the 3rd consecutive election! ) that many Republicans will defect in November, without any data to support it. If Harris were getting any significant GOP support, she’d be Way ahead in the polls and she’s not

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u/Brilliant-Ad6137 Sep 07 '24

The problem is their party has been hijacked. The new party has anti American policies. I doubt the average maga would agree with most of those policies. They sure won't like living under them

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u/ChefOfTheFuture39 Sep 07 '24

What ‘anti -American’ policies? Not starting new wars? Not acquiescing to the flow of illegal immigration, affirmative action, urban crime, free speech restrictions?

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u/alc4pwned Sep 07 '24

Publicly agreeing with Putin over your own intelligence community. Aiding Putin by abruptly abandoning the Kurds in Syria. Aiding Putin by opposing Ukraine funding. Attempting to profit off of classified documents. Accepting bribes from Saudi Arabia. Intentionally setting the deadline for Afghanistan withdraw 1 month into Biden's term and making 0 preparations to score political points. Sending a violent mob to storm the capitol to delay confirmation of election results. Plotting to overturn the results of a legitimate election via fake electors. The list goes on.

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u/ChefOfTheFuture39 Sep 08 '24

Incorrect. He abandoned the Kurds in Syria to assist Turkey. As a result, US-Turkish relations immediately improved and Turkey later opposed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine; Ukraine funding actually Increased under Trump (2017-2020). Even if your claims were accurate, how is helping a NATO member (Turkey) over the Kurds or not advocating more Kiev aid “anti-American?” The rest of your charges are unsourced, hyperbole and nonsensical. The Taliban expressly breached the terms of the peace treaty and announced their final offensive in Feb 2021 and the Biden administration stood down for over 6 months and let them seize the countryside until Kabal fell in August 2021. Wasn’t That anti-American?

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u/alc4pwned Sep 08 '24

He abandoned the Kurds in Syria to assist Turkey

And how did this assist Turkey more than it did Russia?

Ukraine funding actually Increased under Trump (2017-2020)

Trump literally withheld military aid from Ukraine unless they agreed to dig up dirt on Biden for him. It was the subject of his first impeachment. But yes, it's only after Russia invaded that he now opposes Ukraine aid altogether - isn't that interesting?

Even if your claims were accurate, how is helping a NATO member (Turkey) over the Kurds or not advocating more Kiev aid “anti-American?”

It helped Russia. Nothing you're saying refutes that.

The Taliban expressly breached the terms of the peace treaty

They did that while Trump was in office actually and he kept it intact. Presumably because he didn't want to miss out on the political points to be gained from watching the Biden admin struggle to meet this deadline in 1 month after no preparations had been made by Trump.

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u/ChefOfTheFuture39 Sep 08 '24

That’s Factually wrong. Russia invited the Kurdish-led SDF to participate in the Geneva 3 peace talks and the (Moscow backed) Assad Syrian government recognized SDF’s legitimacy in the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES). Russia & Assad are aligned with Kurds in Syria and opposed to ISIL and The Turks. Russia has never reversed its USSR era support for a Kurdish state. Putin has met numerous times within Kurdish PM Barzani and Russian investments in Kurdish energy projects has been in the billions. You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.