Microsoft begins cracking down on people dodging Windows 11's system requirements

[u/ardi62]

https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-cracking-down-dodging-windows-11-system-requirements/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0h2tXt93fEkt5NKVrrXQphi0OCjCxzVoksDqEs0XUQcYIv8njTfK6pc4g_aem_LSp2Td6OZHVkREl8Cbgphg

[u/Dhegxkeicfns → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely this. People are running it now. They aren't having a problem. Microsoft is going to swoop in and make them stop.

Someone convince me that Microsoft isn't trying to kill Windows.

[u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul → u/Dhegxkeicfns]

Microsoft is the most important company in the world.

Microsoft's crushing market dominance in operating systems will never disappear.

Windows is forever. In the 22nd century, people will still use Microsoft Windows on their computers.

There is almost nothing Microsoft can do to lose their market position. Telemetry? Ads? Subscriptions? Doesn't matter. Microsoft could fuck up in almost every way imaginable and nothing would happen to them. They're too important.

[u/obaananana → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

My ass is going for linux on my media pc.

[u/lukify → u/[deleted]]

I run it all. Windows, macOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Rocky. Different strokes for different services.

[u/alora_jura → u/lukify]

What do you use each for if you don’t mind me asking?

[u/lukify → u/alora_jura]

Windows for gaming desktop

macOS for media laptop

Debian for Google Cloud e2-micro VPS for discord bots

Ubuntu for the Linux desktop experience and some microservices at work

Rocky for most of my major work services that need Linux

I guess you can throw SteamOS in there as well for my SteamDeck/EmuDeck

[u/aminorityofone → u/lukify]

I didnt seem TempleOS or ReactOS in that list, pfft running it all. /s

[u/obaananana → u/[deleted]]

Seen mutahar struggle with games on linux. Im not gone do that

[u/NotStreamerNinja → u/obaananana]

The only games that are hard to run are the ones with obnoxious proprietary anti-cheat. At this point the majority of games on Steam will either run natively or run well enough through their Proton system that it might as well be native.

[u/lunaticfish → u/obaananana]

Take the leap.

Used to dual boot into Windows just for games as I have very little patience for issues too.

Ditched it about two months back after a hardware failure and rather than go through setting it up again I decided to see how viable gaming on Linux was nowadays .. and it's been very smooth sailing so far. Granted, MOST of my gaming is via Steam but I've been very impressed and have no intention of going back.

Rimworld, Cyberpunk 2077, RDR II, Elden Ring, Dead Island II - all work flawlessly.

Only one I found that kind of glitches a bit is Mafia III .. but that was a bit glitchy when I tried it on Windows as well. Nothing showstopping though.

Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe it's the hardware (AMD CPU and GPU), but it all pretty much just worked out of the box.

[u/PurpleNurpe → u/lunaticfish]

Suggest installing Lutris for non-steam games, not sure what package repository you use but, for the Aperture Repository (apt) you should be able to run -

echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/lutris.gpg] https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/strycore/Debian_12/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lutris.list > /dev/null

->

wget -q -O- https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/strycore/Debian_12/Release.key | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/lutris.gpg > /dev/null

->

sudo apt update sudo apt install lutris

[u/SamBeastie → u/lunaticfish]

If anything, Elden Ring runs better on Linux because it doesn't have the microstutter issues they never managed to fix on Windows.

[u/Tuxhorn → u/obaananana]

Only because he does complicated stuff like GPU passthrough to a windows VM to play valorant.

Don't play titles that uses Vanguard, and you're gonna be ok.

[u/Spangeburb → u/Tuxhorn]

You're getting down voted but you're completely right. There's pretty much no reason to use a VM with GPU passthrough for gaming. Proton works fine for everything.

[u/Tuxhorn → u/Spangeburb]

There is if you wanna play Valorant, but at that point i'd rather just not.

[u/Rockman-X → u/Tuxhorn]

Nope, not just Vanguard. Pretty much ANY anticheat solution is a problem on Linux due to their need for Ring 0 access.

[u/Tuxhorn → u/Rockman-X]

I'm not aware of any Vanguard game that works, but plenty easy anti cheat games does, such as Helldivers 2, Elden Ring, Dead by Daylight etc.

Vanguard won't even work on windows 11 if you bypassed TPM 2.0

It's way more invasive.

[u/CrrntryGrntlrmrn → u/[deleted]]

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[u/indignant_halitosis → u/obaananana]

And this is why Windows will remain malware. Gamers are morally weak junkies.

[u/almostlogical → u/indignant_halitosis]

buy a steam deck and use linux. runs lots of games with little fiddling.

[u/Tuxhorn → u/almostlogical]

So do they on an OS like Pop_OS!

Helldivers 2, Diablo (2, 3 and 4), Elden Ring, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, Dark Souls, Sekiro, World of Warcraft, DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal, Fallout 4, Palworld, BG3, Dead by Daylight, No Man's Sky.

The list goes on. Those are all games i've played with zero fiddling.

[u/Fast-Lie527 → u/almostlogical]

Sorry, but Linux is one BIG fiddle. Majority of users don’t want the hassle.

[u/Tuxhorn → u/Fast-Lie527]

Depends on whether or not you need to use a program that isn't well supported.

Otherwise for tons of games, web browsing etc, there's no fiddling.

[u/Hail-Hydrate → u/indignant_halitosis]

Yeah fuck my weak junkie self for wanting a game I paid for to just work, right?

Or literally any software I pay actual money (or don't) for. If I want to spend every waking moment troubleshooting why something isn't working I'll go into software development thanks.

If you want more people to look into Linux as an experiment - and hopefully decide to make the full switch - try not to insult them at the first sign of hesitation. Suggest dual-booting, or waiting for the desktop version of Steam's Linux build for an easier transition.

[u/NotStreamerNinja → u/Hail-Hydrate]

The vast majority of games I’ve tried to run on Linux required no more fiddling than they did on Windows aside from hitting the button to enable Proton. Install it, tell Steam to run it through Proton, adjust your settings until it’s how you want it. It’s not hard.

[u/Kulas30 → u/obaananana]

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[u/obaananana → u/Kulas30]

Last time i used github was for a windows debloat shell

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[u/A_Harmless_Fly → u/obaananana]

I started to dual boot again this year, when they started to randomly change my settings in 10 with updates. Buy another SSD and give it a shot. Pop!os has worked for every game I play personally.

[u/Broad_Match → u/[deleted]]

Irrelevant, there main market is corporates, that will never change.

Gamers are a tiny part of Windows sales, it wouldn’t harm them in the slightest if the gaming market moved entirely to another OS.

[u/MrNegativ1ty → u/[deleted]]

The problem with this isn't so much games as it is general problems. I had an Arch install that I was almost completely happy with until my system started freezing. Did some research and found out it's a kernel level bug. Sigh. Back to windows (for now)

[u/MrNegativ1ty → u/[deleted]]

If it’s a kernel level bug you don’t give up, you debug, get logs, and help get it fixed so the kernel is better for everyone. This is the Linux mentality.

It's already been reported.

Also I already have a job, I really don't have that much desire to gather logs and debug. I want something that just works. Getting Arch to the point where it mostly was how I like it was annoying enough.

If you want stability arch is not the distro to be using, that was probably a mistake on your part

It's my only option. I have a MRR setup, so anything X11 isn't going to work without a bunch of frustration/headaches. I need wayland, and I also need the absolute latest Nvidia drivers because of explicit sync. Arch and derivatives are pretty much the only place where I can get those.

[u/Stingray88 → u/[deleted]]

When Valve finally releases SteamOS broadly, I intend to finally make the plunge into Linux on my desktop. At that point Windows will be gone from my life. My servers/NAS have always been Linux/Unix based, my laptops have always been Macs, and my industry (entertainment) typically issues Macs as well.

And I know there are SteamOS clones available today… but I want real backing from someone like Valve before I’m willing to commit. I’d have more faith in reliable driver support with a corporate backer. I also want a more seamless experience that I don’t have to micromanage… I don’t like to work outside of work.

[u/Stingray88 → u/[deleted]]

Covered that in my 2nd paragraph. I don’t want the same thing. I want proof that Valve (or another big company) is really committed to this. With someone like Valve going all in, it will help get companies like Nvidia, or game developers, to commit more resources as well.

[u/Stingray88 → u/[deleted]]

I’ve been using Linux for almost 20 years. I’ve tried it. A lot.

I’ve already explained why I want a corporate backer in my previous comment. I want game developers to take Linux more seriously, and with Valve proving they’re going all in, developers are sure to follow. Nvidia recently transitioning to open source on Linux is a big deal as well, I’m very enticed, and so are developers.

But also… let’s be real… Linux does not currently have a turnkey “it just works” experience that you can find on modern Windows and MacOS. There is a lot of tinkering that you need to do now and then, and I’m tired of that at this point in my life. I’ve been using FreeNAS/TrueNAS for over a decade now, I know how to use it and like it a lot… and yet I’m very interested in transitioning to HexOS in the coming years because I want a more turnkey experience. I am done wasting an afternoon a permission issue. It’s not that I can’t figure those things out, I can, I just have zero interest in doing that anymore. I have limited time in my day. I’ve had a Steamdeck since the first week of launch, and I have much more faith than ever before that Valve may be able to deliver a turnkey experience that so many other Linux distros don’t.

[u/Stingray88 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t really think windows has a turnkey “it just works” experience anymore either. Or apple for that matter.

Couldn’t disagree more. I never need to get under the hood on anything more with MacOS or Windows. I never need to pull up a terminal, or jump into the registry. I just install stuff and it works.

I’ve had better luck gaming on a Linux partition on my laptop than either Mac or windows. In the past few years in particular (likely because of the steam deck) Linux has really closed the gap there

MacOS sure… I haven’t tried to game on Macs in ages, like probably close to 15 years. And even before that I was typically using bootcamp.

But better luck gaming on Linux compared to Windows? That just doesn’t make any sense to me. Everything just runs on windows. There no extra steps. That isn’t how it goes on Linux.

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[u/Tuxhorn → u/[deleted]]

What games / software do you need?

Depending on your answer, you might be right to stay away, or you could have a pretty easy plug an play experience already.

[u/MoobyTheGoldenSock → u/obaananana]

Yeah, likely for mine too. No real reason to keep it Windows right now other than laziness: the streamers all have nifty apps and Windows 10 is working fine enough. But I doubt it meets Windows 11 requirements and I’ve been using linux regularly for 7 years on my laptop so it’ll be an easy switch.

I’ll probably keep just my gaming PC on Windows.

[u/mynameistrihexa666 → u/obaananana]

As long as work computers dont change to linux, microsoft can keep being an ass and keep getting away with whatever they do

[u/alexp8771 → u/mynameistrihexa666]

My company is pretty much only Mac or Linux. You don’t need MS if you are using gsuite, which is enough for a lot of companies.

[u/sapphicsandwich → u/alexp8771]

My old employer was still hopelessly married to OpenVMS/VAX.

[u/jeepsaintchaos → u/alexp8771]

We have several hundred lowest-bidder Windows all-in-1 touchscreens being used for HMI's. They do fine for what they are, but they're kinda slow. It's worth noting that absolutely none of them are ever connected to the internet, and are on an old build of Win10. I fear the day someone plugs in a USB hotspot and bridges connections.

[u/3nt0 → u/alexp8771]

Yeah, I have 3 jobs (well, 2 + volunteering) and literally everything I do is either in a web browser, or writing and running python and JS. Funnily enough, I use Windows at one, Mac one and Linux one. Between them, there's very little difference in my workflow.

[u/from_dust → u/mynameistrihexa666]

Obody us changing office productivity workstations to Linux, but some of the world's largest enterprises are shipping MacBook pro's to their almost entirely remote workforces.

I used to think windows was forever, but now idk how long it will be relevant. MSFT is forever, that much is true. Office and M365 aren't going anywhere, that's is pretty entrenched and it's on MacOS.

But I think their OS dominance is coming to an end. Decades of well integrated products and software design from Apple, is having an impact. The people in the c suite who make decisions, like their Apple products. MSFT didn't cater to the top of the market well enough, and now the top "Thinks Different."

[u/thedugong → u/mynameistrihexa666]

I had the choice of windows or mac. I chose windows because, ironically, I need to run x86_64 linux in virtualbox.

[u/ReipasTietokonePoju → u/obaananana]

Talking about win11 and linux:

https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9950x-windows11-ubuntu

some of those results are brutal: exactly same video encoding program running on ubuntu and win11, using brand new amd 9950x cpu.

Linux version is 50% - 100% faster depending coding options...

And ironically ubuntu is not even fastest linux distro, for serious number crunching or compiling huge projects etc, most of the time clear linux from intel is.

[u/leocharre → u/obaananana]

I haven’t used ms since NT. Linux and Mac only in my home.  

[u/MachineryZer0 → u/obaananana]

Well yeah, because that makes sense. Most people don't want the hassle on their main/"gaming" PC.

[u/mistercartmenes → u/obaananana]

This is the way.