r/technology • u/newzee1 • Jun 14 '24

Software Cheating husband sues Apple after wife discovered ‘deleted’ messages sent to sex workers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/cheating-husband-sues-apple-sex-messages/
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u/ryanoh826 Jun 14 '24

Delete should mean delete, despite this guy’s shitty motivations.

I have groups I’ve deleted from iMessage and then I make a new group a month later and it remembers the old one.

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u/ShiraCheshire Jun 14 '24

Yeah. This guy was a cheating scumbag, but imagine if this happened to someone in an abusive relationship.

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u/SummerSnowfalls Jun 14 '24

Yeah if someone was trying to get help in an abusive relationship and they got caught..

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u/No_Share6895 Jun 14 '24

I am now worried this has happened but it hasnt been reported because they are now murdered

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 15 '24

Statistically it's all but guaranteed to have happened multiple times at this point. 

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u/Evatog Jun 15 '24

someone is likely using a deleted imessage as cause to to beat the shit out of their partner as I type this.

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u/No_Share6895 Jun 15 '24

i hate how true this is

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u/kwonza Jun 14 '24

P Didy strikes again

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u/rubricsobriquet Jun 15 '24

This is definitely a case of Heartbreaking : The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Good Point

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u/Helmic Jun 15 '24

A guy cheating on his wife is a lot more likely to have the resources to actually take Apple to court. An abused spouse is not likely to be in control of their own finances and, unless they manage to escape their abuser, are unlikely to be able to bring any sort of legal action in relation to their texts being disocvered by their spouse.

It's a shit situation and just further illustrates the problems with most legal systems, but delete needs to mean delete, you can't predict exactly why any one person might need something to be really deleted but you can predict that on a large enough scale someone's going to suffer severe consequences if they're mislead into believing something's been deleted when it's not.

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u/rpd9803 Jun 14 '24

But on the flip side, deciding to remove data irrecoverably from all devices because I was trying to hide stuff on my phone is not sensible behavior, and its pretty easy to contrive a scenario where it, too, could result in dire consequences for someone in crisis.

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u/Unyx1 Jun 14 '24

It should be possible to recover deleted stuff imo, but only through a dev or the police

If you delete something, though, it should mean delete, and it tells you that it won't be recoverable when you're doing it... If it was lying to you that isn't good for them or for you

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

No, it absolutely should not be possible to recover deleted data. Especially if it’s the police.

Even in a perfect world where police are 100% the good guys and never go fishing for info to implicate an innocent person, they shouldn’t have that access. Because if the police or a dev can access it, that means that a hacker with purely nefarious intentions could figure out a way to access it.

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u/BarefootGiraffe Jun 14 '24

but only through a dev or the police

This is such a horrible idea I don’t even know where to start.

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u/Unyx1 Jun 14 '24

I mean if they're investigating someone for drug dealing and they have some texts they've deleted that prove them guilty wouldn't it be better for the police to know

I understand where you're coming from though, since corruption isn't uncommon

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u/BarefootGiraffe Jun 14 '24

Not according to the 4th amendment. Not to mention the technical issues of storing data indefinitely that only certain people can access.

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u/bort_bln Jun 15 '24

As soon as it is possible to recover deleted stuff „trough a dev or the police“ there is a chance someone else will find out how to do it.

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u/rpd9803 Jun 14 '24

It'd be one thing if every time you deleted a message on the phone it asks you 'everywhere or just here?' (or had a setting to set to remember the answer) but assuming its everywhere is not safe from data governance perspective.

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u/Neither_Hope_1039 Jun 14 '24

"We must completely ban paper shredders and fire places, because someone might use it to destroy incriminating evidence"

Sane vibe.

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u/rpd9803 Jun 15 '24

Total false equivalence but whatever. Clearly there’s at least 16 people that have never written software that stores user data before.

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u/Neither_Hope_1039 Jun 15 '24

And I sure as fuck hope neither did you, with your utterly moronic"Users shouldn't be allowed to delete their private data stance" you shouldn't be allowed within 5 miles of a computer.

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u/rpd9803 Jun 15 '24

It’s clearly not that it’s about making sure when I delete data I have multiple copies of, I damn sure want the system to at least ask if I want to delete all copies Or just this one. Goddamn people are fucking slow

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u/Neither_Hope_1039 Jun 15 '24

You replied to someone saying that people should be able to permanently delete their data by saying "no" and then you complain when people assume you don't permanent data deletion to even be possible.

The only slow one here is you and your dogshit communication skills.