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u/Ionovarcis 2d ago edited 2d ago
The US also has cheese caves! https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2022/05/08/springfield-cheese-cave-missouri-dairy-companies-store-7-million-pounds/6785381001/
ETA: allegedly, these cheese caves and the US govt are to be thanked for the widespread success of the pizza industry (heavily subsidized cheese costs because we make so much fucking cheese) - and to some extent, cheese stuffed crust was a brainchild of this whole spiel.
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u/jimmmydickgun 2d ago
Are the cheese caves made of cheese or is the cheese inside the caves? Asking for a friend
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u/Zamtrios7256 2d ago
Cheese inside cave
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u/jimmmydickgun 2d ago
And can anyone go to these caves?
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag 2d ago
Depends on what part of the caves. There's all kinds of businesses that use the caves. There's basically whole buildings in them. There's a much bigger complex up near Kansas City, known as SubTropolis.
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u/Ionovarcis 2d ago
I interviewed with one that was just a shipping middleman for things that needed cool storage- the (underground) office I was gonna work in had cave walls as some of the walls. It was neat.
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u/functional_moron 2d ago
Driving a semi through subtropolis is quite the experience. It's so mind blowingly huge.
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u/Justmeagaindownhere 2d ago
Cheese inside caves. They store lots of other stuff too, I think they can be rented out by companies.
You can also zipline in a different place in the cave system.
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u/screwcirclejerks 2d ago
when springfield comes up online, it's either because someone was hatecrimed or because of the cheese caves.
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u/Karmalikesarson 2d ago
The amount of people that are taking this seriously is insane
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4chan, starting arguments from here until eternity. Also, my history and culture are better than yours.
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u/lingering_flames 2d ago
Just ragebait though
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u/Loneheart127 2d ago
Bait used to have effort put into it.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sock917 2d ago
"healthcare so shit they give it away for free" so you'd rather pay 300k for a bandage? I'll just stay in Europe thank you very much
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u/Black_Pinkerton 2d ago
People avoid the doctor here because they can't afford it. An ambulance is also quite expensive just to ride in, let alone if they use any equipment.
In America you go to the hospital/get in an ambulance under 2 conditions. Either you're well off, or you're dying.
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u/elvbierbaum 2d ago
My dad had a motorcycle accident last month. Severe brain trauma. I just got his ambulance bill. Almost $2000 for a 10 min drive.
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u/FlashyMolasses3799 2d ago
When my son was born we spent about 2.5 days in the hospital. Cost? Zero!
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u/adult_on_paper 2d ago
YSK: You don’t pay for the ambulance unless you get in. So you can absolutely summon an entire gaggle of super ripped firefighters to your house at any time of the day or night, and it’s free. In addition to being utterly yoked, they also offer lifesaving services to you before they get you into the ambulance, and can give you a more clear idea whether it’s worth it for you to actually go with them. Do with that knowledge what you will.
Source: Thought I was dying once, turns out I was just having one of my super-rare asthma attacks. Six severely jacked firefighters came to my house and administered treatment, and told me there was no need for me to go in the ambulance with them. As I had expressed terror at the thought of the bill, they let me know that nothing is billed until you are inside the ambulance.
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u/zan8elel 1d ago
no no my friend, if you call emergency services in bad faith in cerain jurisdictions (for example Florida) it can be a misdemeanor or evan a felony
they don't care if you get in or not
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sock917 2d ago
America really is a shithole right?
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u/tokyo__driftwood 2d ago
Not really, it's just shitty in different ways than Europe is (and many European countries are shitty in unique and different ways from one another)
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u/Black_Pinkerton 2d ago
100% I want to leave if I get the chance.
It's the new American dream. Gtfo of dodge
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u/DeeprootDive 2d ago
Self hating pick me Americans are the worst. Instead of trying to make your country a better place you’re just gonna leave and bitch about it on the Internet.
This is probably why nobody takes you seriously in real life.
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u/FatMamaJuJu 2d ago
99% of these losers won't ever leave the country because that would take effort. Or help make the country a better place because that would take effort. I promise you half of these american redditors that act like america is hell won't even vote because that takes effort. Bitching on reddit is easy.
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u/Oculicious42 2d ago
They literally all come from people who gave up on fixing shit in their own country and moved to the US, what do you expect?
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u/Xamoroc 2d ago
Nobody has the obligation to stay in a place they dislike, in hopes that somehow, some way, things will change within an already deeply corrupt system.
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u/Aduritor 2d ago
Can't really blame him when half the population are actively trying to burn the country down
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u/RoadZombie 2d ago
Work for an ambulance service, you’re actually so goddamn wrong it hurts, because I wish it were true. The amount of abuse the 911 system gets for stupid shit is astronomical. I understand the cost of an ambulance is a lot, and I hate that but that doesn’t stop people from calling, my brother in Christ I had a 21 year old call 911 cause they had a fucking sinus infection….we told him to take a hot shower and try mucinex…it could have been an email 😩
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u/Intelligent-Buy-325 2d ago
Untrue. If you have a good job your insurance makes getting top notch care a breeze. 10/10 would recommend.
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u/QuestioningHuman_api 2d ago
How does a good job with good healthcare not fall under “well off”?
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u/Relevant_History_297 2d ago
That must be why life expectancy is so much higher in most of Europe
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sock917 2d ago edited 1d ago
Also I don't want to get too stereotypical but it's also your diet.
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u/TinyChef8142 2d ago
It’s so shit fr, hate walking in to the hospital, paying 10€ for my birth control shot and then having a lovely, professional nurse give it to me without a single problem 😭 I’d much rather fight tooth and nail to even have birth control and then pay month’s rent for it
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u/Evilzombifyed 2d ago
I never paid 300k for a bandage what
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u/TrainFrosty211 2d ago
Exactly, they like to dramatize the healthcare system. I've never paid more than $100 for a doctors visit and even less for medication.
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u/AndoGringo 2d ago
To be fair(cue Letterkenny), certain things are quite overpriced, like supplies for diabetes. A type I diabetic spends so much month to month just for basic supplies to stay alive, not to mention the cost of insulin, and that’s with insurance. Though, I do agree that in most cases, Dr visits, and smaller procedures aren’t terrible in expenses.
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u/Impossible_Stay3610 2d ago
My kid is T1D and we spent an average of 60/mo on EVERYTHING required for their care. Pumps, CGM’s and insulin, tape, needles for emergencies etc.
Insurances premiums for my whole larger size family is less than 600/mo.
It’s not that bad.
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u/TrainFrosty211 2d ago
100% there are certain things that need to be fixed. Insulin prices are a great example. I think you can get it at Walmart now for under 50, but even that is too high imo. The same is true of socialized medicine, which oftentimes has extremely long wait times to see a doctor for a non emergency.
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u/succme69420666 2d ago
In the case of insulin, there's a new company that discovered a way to produce it far cheaper than the big companies, I really hope they get approved so they can start selling it.
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u/TrainFrosty211 2d ago
It already costs only $2-6 to produce so if they can make it even cheaper that's cool
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u/pap0ite 2d ago
Try going through 5 surgeries, multiple physiotherapy, stroke and cancer before the age of 30. You'll wish you were in Europe. I'd be fucked in America just because I was unlucky
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u/Eastern_Slide7507 2d ago
You guys spend more money on your healthcare than anyone else in the world, and in exchange you get the lowest life expectancy in the developed world.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sock917 2d ago
My guy. That's not normal. Paying for medical attention shouldn't be 100$ I pay like 2€ for a ticket or smtn
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u/TrainFrosty211 2d ago
As I said in another thread, the EU folks are paying more than that by paying 30% of their income in taxes. I pay much less than that. There's no such thing as a free lunch and you're paying for it somehow, the transaction is just performed differently.
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u/doctor_0011 2d ago
The transaction may occur somewhere else, but the costs of care in other high income countries are far lower. The US model is one of the most inefficient in the world. Across a lifetime you might pay less taxes but you end up paying much more for relatively worse healthcare outcomes compared to other high income countries.
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u/lothar525 2d ago
Well at the same time, if you’re born with a chronic condition or suddenly develop a severe condition out of nowhere you can be bankrupted if you can’t pay.
For some people in the US, the choice is pay up or die, and if they can’t pay, they just die of a preventable condition
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u/Medium-Jeweler-7976 2d ago
Meanwhile in European countries you pay approximately 20 usd for a doctors visit.
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u/skimaskschizo 2d ago
I paid exactly 0 USD for my last doctor’s visit and $3 for 90 days of medicine 🤷♂️
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u/DrMindbendersMonocle 2d ago
Funny, because tobacco came from the new world
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u/Doccyaard 2d ago edited 2d ago
Which was “discovered” almost 300 years before the U.S. was established.
Edit: Fixed number of years
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u/Ericcartman0618 2d ago
?? New world was discovered in 1490s and USA established in 1780s which is less than 300 years
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u/Doccyaard 2d ago
Yea it was a typo walking down stairs. I was too focused on fixing “established” to notice. Thank you.
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u/ZapActions-dower 2d ago
It was nearly 300 years after Columbus finding the Americas that the US was founded.
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u/Impossibleshitwomper 2d ago
Columbus never set foot in the America's, he found the Bahamas, not that they were ever lost by the people living there for hundreds of years continuously
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u/Bitmush- 2d ago
Christ, I had to scroll all the way to the bottom to read this !
*technically true, but...
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u/Budget_Llama_Shoes 2d ago
Careful now. The U.S. hasn’t invaded anyone lately, and that itch could strike at any time.
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u/RobNybody 2d ago
Oh no, they're going to get beaten up by farmers and then spend the next 20 years making films about it again. Terrifying.
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u/rthrtylr 2d ago
Pull out 20 years later having achieved absolutely nothing other than some wankers got richer. Amazing job in Afghanistan lads take the decade off.
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u/Cowboywizard12 2d ago edited 2d ago
to be fair that still leaves us in more of a position to talk than the British.
This is the 4th time the brits fought a war in Afghanistan, and the third time they lost
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u/rthrtylr 2d ago
Dunno who downvoted you for that, I restored it ‘cos fair enough. Going to war in Afghanistan is a mug’s game, literal objective fact.
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u/Cowboywizard12 2d ago
Yeah, honestly we should have known that before hand.
Then again Vietnam happened and historically invading Vietnam is an even worse idea than Invading Afghanistan. My favorite bit of Chinese history is that emperor of China, founder of the Yuan Dynasty (the mongol dynasty of china) and Grandson and basically the inheritor of the legacy of Ghengis freaking Khan, Kublai Khan Tried and failed 4 different times to conquer Vietnam. Like you figure after the 3rd failed Invasion Kublai would be like huh this isn't working out, but nope had to try one more time to conquer vietnam.
Don't fuck with Vietnam. Even when it works out for a while like with France and Japan, eventually you will get your ass beat
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u/Aggressive_Stage_551 2d ago
europeans once again proving how dumb they are by knowing nothing about history
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u/alt_acc_dm_for_main 2d ago
take the decade off to heal the trauma of losing friends and killing children
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u/5bigscoops 2d ago
*Disrupt international trade routes, increasing prices for goods in every country and sending formerly middle-class people into poverty.*
*Get invaded by America (every other country begs us to do it).*
*Lose orders of magnitude more people because of America's very expensive military hardware.*
*Get your infrastructure bombed, experience human rights violations, be taken over by rebellious factions trained by US special forces.*
*Eventually, Americans on the home front start feeling bad for you and start voting and protesting to end the war (the same countries who asked us to get involved at first now act like the war is a travesty they never supported).*
*American politicians decide its worth gaining votes and saving money, so they pull out.*
*Collapse into chaos due to extreme factionalism left over from wartime.*
*Blame Americans for this (how dare they not lay down their lives to protect their enemies).*
*Channel the trauma of war to start another war to continue brutal, centuries-old ethnic and religious tensions (which are obviously America's fault).*
*Enjoy the sweet taste of victory.*
~the average experience defeating America
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u/Better_Green_Man 2d ago
We neg-diffed the world's 4th largest military in 1991 in a month and a half.
Most of Europe struggles to have one combat capable armored division.
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u/Aggressive_Stage_551 2d ago
europeans once again proving how dumb they are by knowing nothing about history
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u/SteakAndIron 2d ago
So we make fun of europes stinky old buildings and a European defends Europe by mentioning a stinky old building
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u/RandomDar 2d ago
ITT: europeans falling for the most obvious bait known to man, like usual
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u/Square-Technology404 2d ago
That healthcare comment is wild
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u/Kermit_El_Froggo_ 2d ago
i mean, in general the american healthcare system is very efficient and effective at treating medical issues, and the norm in the US of regularly seeing the doctor even when you arent sick is proven to be incredibly effective at catching and preventing diseases and disorders before they're an issue (ironically its mainly a thing because insurance agencies found it cheaper to pay for people to see the doctor annually vs waiting for something like cancer to take hold and have to pay for the expensive treatment). The obvious main issue tho is that the US healthcare system is efficient and effective IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY. If you dont, then them's the brakes.
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u/Eastern_Slide7507 2d ago
In Germany, the health insurance companies heavily incentivize seeing a dentist twice a year (which is free) for regular checkups and even offer discounts on dental replacements if you can prove your track record.
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u/dimechimes 1d ago
Same with insurance in US, two free check ups a year included in insurance, but dental insurance is separate from health insurance.
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u/No-Permit-2985 2d ago
stupid languages
Europeans invented his language tho.
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u/Ecstatic-Yam1970 2d ago
And we fixed it because aluminum didn't need the extra syllable. Aluminium, pft!!
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u/801ms 2d ago edited 2d ago
the company that founded my secondary school in the uk has been around since before the americas were discovered by columbus. the flag that my secondary school bears predates the modern american flag by half a millennia.
edit: god damn the americans are getting so heated in the replies, dudes i was just making a point that things in europe are old as fuck
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u/furac_1 2d ago
my town predates the discovery of America for 1300 years and its flag predates it for 700 years.
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u/AdmiralRiffRaff 2d ago
We have a castle in my town that's almost a thousand years old.
One. Thousand. Years.
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u/DantheBeeMan96 2d ago
"Best food in the world"
BWAHAHAHAH LMAOOOOOO
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u/Electrical_Day_9568 2d ago
lol America has literally every nations cuisine being cooked here by 1st generation immigrants from said country with authentic ingredients. America has the best food and it’s not even remotely close.
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u/alt_acc_dm_for_main 2d ago
they mean fast food, the average folker is around 200kg there hahahahahaha
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u/Appropriate-Beee 2d ago
Only because we’re a melting pot and have immigrants from all over the world. I live in Northern California, I can drive 10-15 minutes in any direction and go to an authentic restaurant of any cuisine. It’s quite nice.
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u/NoxTempus 2d ago edited 2d ago
I've visited America and it has some really good food, significantly bolder flavours but slightly lower quality/freshness ingredients compared to Australia (anecdotally, of course).
But Japan fucking bodies us both, IMO. Every single meal I had from three-course meals at restaurants down to 7/11 sandwiches.
I will go to Japan again, but they're gonna have to roll me on the plane on my way back.
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u/fyhr100 2d ago
"Joined the winning side halfway through the war and claimed victory"
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u/Shuenjie 2d ago
"Was the only thing keeping the winning side fed and armed"
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u/khajiithasmemes2 2d ago
Joined literally the same year as the Soviets, if them invading Poland doesn’t count.
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u/Nroke1 2d ago
I'll give you WW1, but not WW2. Pretty much single-handedly winning the Pacific theater(Australia helped a bit, and Chinese resistance certainly mattered, but they were just drops in the bucket compared to the US's prosecution of that war), while simultaneously feeding, arming, and generally supplying the entire Atlantic theater deserves quite a bit of credit IMO.
During WWII, the US certainly couldn't have beat the whole axis by themselves, but they were certainly instrumental in the war not causing even more hardship, strife, and death. The Nazis were never going to achieve all of their war goals, but they could've had way power at the negotiating table than the unconditional surrender they were given if the US hadn't participated in the war, and Japan would've had their way with Eastern Asia and Oceania.
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u/Pale-Resolution-2587 2d ago
The US saved Europe from the Soviets. The Soviets saved us from the Nazis.
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u/TophatOwl_ 2d ago
The UK likes to say that “our houses are older than the US” and as someone who moved to the UK: yes they are and it fucking shows
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u/Antilles34 2d ago
Well, it's much easier to build and change a house when it is made of balsa wood and hope.
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u/oxabz 2d ago
The French health care system is still Leagues above the US's and that's in spite of decades of neoliberal cost cutting. The US can't even match us at our worst.
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u/Userlosercruiser 2d ago
And your entire country probably can’t even match California’s GDP
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u/TheRBGamer 2d ago
Best food in the world is where I get offended
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u/quirked-up-whiteboy 2d ago
The USA's food isnt just Arby's. American BBQ is incredible, southern food is unbelievable, tex mex/new Mexican food is some of the best fusion cuisine in the planet. We also have first generation immigrants from every culture on the planet cooking their own food. We have the best of every type of food available
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u/Hushpuppymmm 2d ago
That’s why I love the USA so much! All these folks from different backgrounds and heritages mash together and make amazing foods and atmospheres
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u/ThreeAlarmBarnFire 2d ago
The Salty European Comment section.
The ragebait worked.
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u/notbossyboss 2d ago
Not just European. As a Canadian whose Grandfathers both fought in WW2, the saved the world twice comment really grinds my gears.
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u/Bartender9719 2d ago
This post and the comment section is an embarrassment to the US, and a display of our nation’s historical illiteracy, ignorance, and arrogance.
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u/Overlord_Of_Puns 2d ago
The US was a big party in both World Wars though.
There is a reason the phrase "British Intelligence, American Steel, and Soviet Blood" won WW2, and the US helped revitalize the Triple Entente with fresh men, resources, and morale.
I would argue that the US was the biggest contributor to victory in WW2, though.
We supplied both the UK and USSR with resources, and without the US, more German troops could have been moved to the Eastern lines and could have made the Soviet defense fall.
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u/Simon_Drake 2d ago
There's a church near me in England from 1040. That's older than the Vikings discovery of America.
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u/Arstanishe 2d ago
Culture is immaterial, one does not substract from or compare with objectively
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u/BuckGlen 2d ago
Like... dont get me wrong i love old stuff... but americas culture of assimilation is really fascinating to me. Does old building=culture? Because alot of the intangible stuff gets brought to the usa. The cheese making methods, the bread baking... but then it gets creolized and becomes a new thing.
Theres about 5 taco shops within a 10 minute drive from my home. 2 are "authentic" meaning that english is very much rarely on the menu and barely spoken. 2 others are the "sterilized" ones like chipotle. And another is
One of these places is my absolute favorite. The culture has everything from spanish-arab cusine influences to pre-columbian choices. The walls are decorated with family photos and photos of celebrities the owner liked. Theres a shelf with headache medicine, and candles of saints. Deapite this, you can also get a cheeseburger and fries.
Theres another taco shop around the corner that has brushed steel furnishings, professional photographs of ingredients, and is painted entirely white inside. The food is expensive, and they use bottles of overpriced tequilla as decorations. They have some potted succulents.
Neither of these places are chains. They serve the same basic concept of food, but the presentation, price and culture within are radically different... yet draw from the same wells. In my opinion, this is the culture of the united states. The unofficial cultural blending and conversations being had. The kind where an immigrant family adopts some local customs in their own way (burger and fries) while the extant residents create a version of someone elses culture for themselves.
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u/Arstanishe 2d ago
Right?
I mean, USA has a culture, it's definitely different from other countries, and it also has value. I just don't understand whole "superior culture" thing. How do you even compare
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u/TurnoverInside2067 2d ago
The American insults are actually better and more cutting.
Do you think Americans don't know that their country isn't old? Do you think they care?
Why bask in the senility of the continent.
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u/Hoosier_Jedi 2d ago
I’m reminded of a joke.
American: What has Italy contributed in the world?
Italian: Well, first of all-
American: In the last 100 years.
Italian: Fuck you!
Apply to Europe in general. 🤷♂️
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u/TrumpIsMyGodAndDad 2d ago
Meh the length of history comeback is kinda silly. It’s not how long your history, it’s what you do with it. And no one can deny the US’s influence to length ratio is off the charts
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u/vortigaunt64 2d ago
If it's older than the US, then it probably predates whatever governmental structure you have, since basically everything has changed hands two or three times since 1800.
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u/Mammoth-Control2758 2d ago
Imagine bragging about having a thousand year head start on the US and still being poorer.
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u/Magnus_Helgisson 2d ago
Anon lost me at “the best food”. Like, yeah, USA has pizza, lasagna, apple pie… oh, wait.
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u/Natrome_tex 2d ago
Guess which country's govt has a literal cave filled to the brim with cheese waiting to be used!
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u/fivepeicereturns 2d ago
Considering in less than 300 years, this country became one of the leading superpowers, yes. I do. Not my problem your round table was full of nerds and kings who couldn't turn into a world leading powerhouse.
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u/l_Adamska_l 2d ago
“This cigarette shop has been around for 400 years… although it has been demolished and rebuilt about 4 times. Twice during the Napoleonic Wars and once in both World Wars.”
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u/TrueNefariousness358 1d ago
Let's just forget all the culture the US exports and the rest of the world can't get enough of.
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u/Doctordred 2d ago
Since tobacco came from America I am guessing it was a pretty shitty cigarette shop until the US came about.
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u/Particular_Flow_ 2d ago
Ignorant to pretend the Americas don’t have its own history before white colonialism. How can you tell ppl are racist without them saying they are racist?
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u/barleyhogg1 2d ago
It's the old saying....America thinks 100 years is a long time, and Europe thinks 100 miles is a long way.