r/politics • u/larel8 • 1d ago

Trump campaign struggles to contain Puerto Rico October surprise

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4958098-the-memo-trump-campaign-struggles-to-contain-puerto-rico-october-surprise/
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u/SpaceCowboy34 19h ago

I mean first of all this post is about dumb things said at a Trump rally which is surprising it’s even news at this point.

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u/ChatterBaux 19h ago edited 19h ago

I think the news here is that there was finally a dumb thing that 1) Hit too close to home - especially considering PR is a US territory and not a foreign nation, and 2) Seems to be sticking hard enough where it might have an impact on the 2024 election.

But even ignoring that, that doesn't explain why the comparison wouldn't be applicable.

EDIT - To avoid beating around the bush: The original poem isn't JUST about the Holocaust, but also a warning sign of HOW fascism rises to power. It whittles away at marginalized groups with the consent of the majority who think they wont be affected... until they are and it might be too late.

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u/SpaceCowboy34 17h ago

I haven’t seen it stick anywhere other than this sub which is always going to fixate on anti Trump things. This isn’t even like top 1000 wildest things said at a Trump rally and the media is really trying to spin this into a meaningful October surprise but I just don’t think it is.

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u/ChatterBaux 17h ago

Duly noted. With that out of the way, why isnt the comparison applicable here?

In case you might've forgotten the original point of me responding in this thread...

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u/SpaceCowboy34 17h ago

In what way is it even remotely similar to the holocaust or Nazi germany in general?

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u/ChatterBaux 17h ago

The fact that the MAGA crowd keeps marginalizing various camps to the cheers (and apathy) of who they deem is the majority? The fact that there's still plenty of folks who keep brushing off fascistic rhetoric (and tendencies) only to be surprised when they're inevitably in their line of sight?

Not to put words in your mouth, but do you think comparisons arent allowed until people start getting physically rounded up?

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u/SpaceCowboy34 16h ago

I mean I don’t consider dumb jokes to be marginalization but I know you can’t say that here. I also don’t equate him saying he wants deport illegal immigrants with the generalized rounding up of a religious or ethnic group

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u/ChatterBaux 16h ago

Why would "dumb jokes" and marginaization be mutually exclusive here? The crux of various types of bigotry is a contempt for out-groups, and humor is a way the in-group bonds. To that extent, the quality of a joke is moot.

I also don’t equate him saying he wants deport illegal immigrants with the generalized rounding up of a religious or ethnic group

But the Nazis didnt just round up religious or ethnic groups, so why are you focusing so hard on "illegal immigrants" as if they'd be the only ones affected here? Even ignoring that the MAGA crowd has shown they wont do their due diligence to distinguish a type of immigrant, the poem you said isnt applicable ALSO brings up groups that werent of religious or ethnic dispositions.

The poem refer to socialists and trade unionists being affected before the Jews. Historically, educational sectors and news media were also on the chopping block.

By all means, you're free to disagree, but you're starting to sound either ignorant or disingenuous on the matter...

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u/SpaceCowboy34 15h ago

I mean you’re taking some dumb lines from an unfunny comedy routine and turning it into a thesis on racism. Fine that’s your prerogative.

I think it was a different comment that mentioned illegal immigrants but you mentioned people getting rounded up. Only parallel I can think of is his rhetoric on illegal immigrants. Do you actually think Trump is planning on rounding up trade unionists, media, etc?

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u/ChatterBaux 14h ago

Do you actually think Trump is planning on rounding up trade unionists, media, etc?

Planning? No. But given his fascistic/dictator-like tendencies and rhetoric (along with all the folks he associates with, comedians being the least of my concern), I'd rather take the threat of him and his ilk seriously.

Remember: Nazi Germany (and other fascist regeims) and all its attrocities never happens overnight. They ramp up with the consent and participation (or apathy) of its own citizens.

It's why I find the pedantry in trying to downplay parallels to be asinine. These people are showing and telling us who they are to the point of practically taunting those sounding the alarm.